why would the governments want to hide the shape of the earth?

If the earth WAS flat then why couldn't the govermments just tell us? is the shape of the earth really such a big deal that they have to keep it hidden from the world? flat earthers, can you pls tell me why? (with sources)

The benefits to the ball Earth story, everything related to it, have been obvious to see, money alone proves that.

How much money has been given to NASA since they started up? Billions, of course.

How much money do astronomers make a year on average? Six figures a year, some make over a million per year!

Money is clearly a benefit.

But the greatest benefit is power and control of the world, to become our ‘Gods’ and saviours and protectors against all perils ‘out in endless space’!

It’s not about Earth being claimed to be a ball, it is about Earth being in ‘endless space’ among countless stars and ‘planets’ and so forth.
 
It’s about Earth being a tiny insignificant speck within an endless universe, nothing special at all.

Even if there is a God who created all things in the universe, Earth is one of billions or trillions of the other ‘planets with life’ in the universe, Earth is nothing but one of trillions God created, if there IS a God, that is!

That’s their ultimate goal, to become our ‘Gods’, our saviours and protectors against all perils and dangers out in ‘endless space’!

The blue waters above us held in by the Firmament cannot exist in ‘endless space’, of course.

So they told us it was blue in air, caused by the Sunlight being scattered by air molecules! They made up a bs story for it, as always.

A ball Earth worked best from the real Earth which is flat. The center of Earth is the North Pole of a ball Earth, wrapped from that point downward into a ball shaped Earth!

Why else would it be most accurate in the north, less and less accurate in the south?  Because they started the ball Earth in its center, making it most accurate from north, less and less accurate outward from their ‘north pole’!

The benefits to the ball Earth story, everything related to it, have been obvious to see, money alone proves that.

No, it really doesn't.
If they want to funnel away money, they have the black budget for that.

How much money has been given to NASA since they started up? Billions, of course.

And how much have they spent? Billions, of course.
It would cost more to fake it.
So that clearly isn't a reason.

More importantly, why couldn't they operate if Earth was flat?

How much money do astronomers make a year on average?

And why wouldn't they be able to operate if Earth was flat?
What is the incentive for them to lie?

But the greatest benefit is power and control of the world

And saying Earth is round does nothing to do that.
The only ones getting power are those challenging the status quo to get a cult following.

So you are just spouting pure BS.

The blue waters above us held in

in your delusional fantasy, that you can't prove exists at all.

So they told us it was blue in air, caused by the Sunlight being scattered by air molecules!

i.e. reality, which you hate. Reality, which you can verify for yourself.

Why else would it be most accurate in the north, less and less accurate in the south?

Because Earth is round, and the map the lying scum have chosen to pretend is a flat map of a flat Earth is the north pole centred azimuthal equidistant projection.

If Earth was actually flat, that map would work all over, rather than just being accurate in the north.

How much money do astronomers make a year on average? Six figures a year, some make over a million per year!

There are likely many more unpaid amateur and hobbyist astronomers than professionals.  BTW, I seem to recall Galileo getting jail time for being an astronomer.

Think about what they first did, there’s no reason or purpose, except there certainly was a purpose.

They wanted to become our gods, by removing our true God and creator of all life and Earth.


A ball earth speeding through endless space was the ideal story to remove our true creator and God.

After that, astronomers saw beyond into the endless universe, told us what they had seen out far beyond all us mortals…

They will find out if there are any great dangers to Earth, before anything happens, can plan how to avoid the dangers, we hope and trust their every word!

But their ultimate goal is far far worse

A ball earth speeding through endless space was the ideal story to remove our true creator and God.

I have no idea why you idiots keep saying stupid things like that.  It's as if you don't think that your all powerful creator would be willing or capable of creating a round earth that orbits the sun, which orbits within the galaxy and so on.  I think that you underestimate God's abilities. 

Or is it that your fragile ego can't handle realizing that the earth isn't the center of the universe?  Don't forget the RET was a geocentric model and at the center of the universe for more than 1500 years and the church loved it.

So I guess I need someone to explain why "a ball earth speeding through endless space would remove our true creator" instead of realizing that maybe God's creation is greater than first thought.  Are you really that afraid of being a part of something bigger than the flat earth?

Oh, maybe that's it.  You're afraid that maybe humans aren't God's only children.  Where and when did God ever say that we are His only creation?

Think about what they first did

They stated the truth (to the best of their knowledge) which you hate, so you are desperate to lie about them.

They wanted to become our gods, by removing our true God and creator of all life and Earth.

You keep asserting this crap, yet have absolutely nothing to justify it.

Guess what? Removing your imaginary POS doesn't make anyone a god.
And plenty of people accept reality of a round Earth in space, while still clinging to a god.

Again, you have no motive at all.
Just pathetic desperation.

The ancient Greeks calculated the rough shape of the earth with rulers, shawdows and maths. Anyone with a curiosity to know  can perform this experiment and get the same results.

For those on the FE side show me the maths!

The ancient Greeks calculated the rough shape of the earth with rulers, shawdows and maths. Anyone with a curiosity to know  can perform this experiment and get the same results.

For those on the FE side show me the maths!

They calculated the radius of a Earth, already knowing it to be round. They didn't calculate the shape.

Money and power and control of the world itself aren’t good enough motives to you???

What else compares to those motives, because nothing comes close to it!!

Astronomy didn’t even exist at all until a few centuries ago. Astronauts didn’t exist at all until less than 65 years ago or so!

Rockets didn’t exist until WW2, as a weapon of war, nothing else.

Control of the world is motive enough there!

They can do whatever they wish to, anytime at all, and we believe and follow their word and command, obey as if they’re our Gods, our saviours and protectors against all perils and dangers beyond Earth….

It’s absolutely true, the world thinks astronomers and astronauts are heroic, brave, intelligent and praised and worshipped as Gods, in fact!

The sheer irony of that is utterly stunning!

Money and power and control of the world itself aren’t good enough motives to you???

The problem with such a delusional motive is you cannot link the accusation that they are lying about the shape of Earth.

How does lying about the shape of Earth give them money, power or control?

Astronomy didn’t even exist at all until a few centuries ago

There you go lying yet again.
Astronomy is one of the oldest sciences, with an unknown date of origin give how old it is.
It existed thousands of years ago.

But we can see stars in the sky. What makes you think that requires a round Earth?
If astronomy was the key they could just as easily use that with a flat Earth.

Astronauts didn’t exist at all until less than 65 years ago or so!

Thanks for admitting that they exist, i.e. that humans have gone to space.

Rockets didn’t exist until WW2, as a weapon of war, nothing else.

And more pathetic BS.
Rockets have existed since the 13th century.
And again, nothing to do with the shape of Earth.

Control of the world is motive enough there!

Yet you have provided no way in which claiming Earth is round gives them that control.

The only way in which the examples you provided relate to the shape of Earth is that so easily demonstrate Earth is round.
That is NOT showing how saying Earth is round gives them money, power or control.

The sheer irony of that is utterly stunning!

Says the religious nutjob.

It’s hard to describe what they’re trying to gain from all this crap.

They want to be worshipped and praised by the world as our Gods’! The only real God or gods who exist and protect Earth and all life on Earth from any perils out ‘in endless space’

Space is the key to it all. When you believe in space, believe everything they say about space…….

The final step is coming up, but when it arrives, I don’t know at all

It’s hard to describe what they’re trying to gain from all this crap.

Because you know there is nothing to gain from it, because it isn't crap, they are just being honest, but you are too pathetic to admit that?

They want to be worshipped and praised by the world as our Gods

Then they have clearly done a real shit job.

Meanwhile, what are you doing? Literally appealing to a god to claim Earth is flat.

So still no reason at all from you.

It is very easy to just make a completely BS motive. It is much harder to try to link that motive to the alleged wrongdoing.

If these astronomers claim to have seen strange objects in groups that appear to be moving towards Earth or our solar system, you’d believe them.

When they later claim these objects are nearing our solar system now, you’d believe them.

They can claim anything they want to, and you’d believe them.

Their ultimate goal, isn’t money or power, they already have all that.

What they really want is to become our Gods, the only real gods and protectors of Earth and life on Earth.

Space was created by them, to be where aliens are from, which attack Earth, and we must be one and defend our planet from those evil aliens attacking our planet!

Whatever the real scenario is, who knows, but I think it’s going to happen someday, but who knows

What they really want is to become our Gods, the only real gods and protectors of Earth and life on Earth.

You must have a very low opinion of what it means to be a god if you think that astronomers can become one by lying about the shape of the earth.

If these astronomers claim to have seen strange objects in groups that appear to be moving towards Earth or our solar system, you’d believe them.

That would depend on the evidence. Something you seem to fail to understand.

They can claim anything they want to, and you’d believe them.

No, they can't.
For example, if they claimed Earth was flat, when that goes directly against countless observations I have personally made, I would not believe them.

And that is a very big issue for you. If Earth was flat, then lying about it would destroy any credibility they do have.
And that is a big part of the motivation for the FE movement. To get people to think the government has been lying to them to try to undermine the government, to get you believing them instead.

There is no incentive to claim Earth is round if it was not.

So stop with all the pathetic vague BS, and instead explain how claiming Earth is round if it was not would give them any power.

If these astronomers claim to have seen strange objects in groups that appear to be moving towards Earth or our solar system, you’d believe them.

When they later claim these objects are nearing our solar system now, you’d believe them.

They can claim anything they want to, and you’d believe them.

Their ultimate goal, isn’t money or power, they already have all that.

What they really want is to become our Gods, the only real gods and protectors of Earth and life on Earth.

Space was created by them, to be where aliens are from, which attack Earth, and we must be one and defend our planet from those evil aliens attacking our planet!

Whatever the real scenario is, who knows, but I think it’s going to happen someday, but who knows

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Look at the surface three miles out from you, seeing it on the ground, about 5 or 6 feet above the surface…

Beyond the horizon three miles out, nothing is seen at all.

If you believe it’s curving downward, to not see anything past the horizon, only the top parts of some, which soon vanish downward as well.

How do you realize a curved surface is not actually there, or is actually there?

When something is so obvious, how could it become so nobody even thinks about it?

Look at any ball, imagine it is Earth, and you are on it.


Take two points on it, you are on a point, and the horizon on the other point…

They can be at any distance you choose, but are two points apart from each other…


And it is three miles apart, now.

Here is the crucial part of this scenario…

There’s nothing seen past this point, except some that may be seen partly for a bit longer out…

What happens if you rise above the surface at that same point?

What I’m asking you, is what would you actually see, not what you do see now, above Earths surface.

It’s easy to simulate what we’d see, at all heights above a ball.

After nothing is seen beyond about three miles out, viewed from about six feet above the surface….

The big problem they now have, is not excused by how big or massive in size the Earth ball would be, that isn’t an excuse anymore, because they claim nothing is seen past three to four miles out, from the surface…

They claim nothing can be seen past three to four miles, because it curves downward over the surface, and that destroys their whole story, instantly.

It’s that claim, which they’ve made, and always have made, that can easily be proven completely ridiculous.


That’s why it’s never shown as a valid simulation. They must have this same real and physical curve over this same actual surface, curving down all  out of view, beyond three to four miles out.

What you don’t seem to understand about that, or don’t like to think about it, and you think they’ve really done simulations of what we’d see, is not at all what we’d see, and it’s not hard to understand we’d not see what we do see above Earth now, if it were any sort of a ball shaped Earth.


The curve goes physically downward, and beyond it, past that point, nothing is seen at all.

The curved surface will curve more and more after that point, so when you rise higher above the surface, even though you'd be able to see further over it, you’d have to look downward, not across from you, after you claimed nothing is seen beyond the horizon, as a curve was the reason nothing can be seen past it!


In reality, if Earth were indeed a ball, it would be a much lesser curve over three miles than you’ve claimed it is here, but that is exactly what you’ve claimed, it cannot be changed or denied or altered or twisted afterwards to fit your story.

Look at the surface three miles out from you

And see the horizon, clearly demonstrating Earth is round, and you are yet again spamming pathetic BS, which has already been refuted countless times; all because you can't answer a simple question:
Why?

How do you realize a curved surface is not actually there, or is actually there?

As explained, THE HORIZON!
A flat surface does not have one. It doesn't matter how close you are to the surface, you can see the entire surface, until you drop below and it all disappears at once.
But for a round surface, there is a horizon.

Yes, it is so obvious, yet you refuse to think about it because it shows you are wilfully lying to everyone.

What happens if you rise above the surface at that same point?

You can see further, as already explained.

It’s easy to simulate what we’d see, at all heights above a ball.

And it matches reality.
It is also easy to simulate what we'd see at all heights above a plane, and it doesn't match reality.

They claim nothing can be seen past three to four miles, because it curves downward over the surface

No, that is just your pathetic strawman. One that has been refuted countless times.
Again, the distance to the horizon is given by (as an approximation) sqrt(2*r*h).

Have you ever looked at a ball?
Because you are acting like you have no idea how they work.

That’s why it’s never shown as a valid simulation.

Except those you have already been provided, like this one:
https://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Advanced+Earth+Curvature+Calculator
It simulates both a round Earth and a flat Earth.
And guess which one matches reality?
The RE one.

it’s not hard to understand we’d not see what we do see above Earth now, if it were any sort of a ball shaped Earth.

Then why is it so hard for you to justify your pathetic BS?
Why do you need to repeating the same pathetic BS, even after it is refuted and ignoring the refutation of it?
Why do you need to continually flee from such trivial questions.

How about this, forget absolutely everything they have claimed about Earth, and start from scratch. It is a perfect sphere, with a radius of 6371 km.
How far away should the horizon be? How far away should it be until you can't see anything more.
Make sure you show your working, so if I want a different size sphere, say 1700 km radius for the moon, I can use the same steps.
And make sure you justify your working.

Can you do it?

If it was so easy to understand, it would be trivial to do this.
And in fact it is trivial, but you need another variable, the height of the observer, and that results in the horizon being further away the higher you are.

If that is too impossible for you, then something even easier:
Draw a simple diagram showing the curve blocking the view, and then on that same diagram, show how this is still blocked for a higher observer.


Or, stop with all the pathetic BS and try saying why the government would lie about the shape of Earth by pretending it is round, because no one has been able to provide any motive, not even you.
And when called out on you, you demonstrate you know this to be the case, because of instead of even attempting to defend that idea, you just deflect with more BS lies to pretend Earth can't be round.

You truly are pathetic. The world would be better off without you in it.

No, horizons form on any surface, but mainly on a completely flat and long surface, like on Earth.

That’s why we always see the horizon across from us, at any height we are at. This is only possible with a massive flat surface. Perspective acts over it at almost all distances, just the same way at all heights above it.

See a horizon from the ground, about three miles away. You think it’s real, but it’s not seen higher up, is it? That’s real to you? A real thing that vanishes and appears somewhere further away? And anywhere at all, back and forth?

You’re a complete nitwit

No, horizons form on any surface

Lying wont save you.
The only horizon you get on a flat surface is the edge.

That’s why we always see the horizon across from us

You mean BELOW us, as the evidence YOU provided demonstrated.

Again, lying wont save you.

And notice how you entirely failed to do the simple task that was asked?

Can you do it for a FE?
Of course not, because that has no reason to form a horizon.

And you certainly can't explain why the government would lie.

Have you ever been on a flat surface, or any that are longer than a mile or even a hundred feet?

You’re clearly mistaken about horizons, and perspective, and where they form, and why they form, etc.

There’s also more and more weasels that are trying to twist and confuse things which prove them liars or fakes.

What is your problem understanding what horizons are, true horizons, that form on Earth naturally, that is.

Every flat surface always seems to be rising upward in the distance, even a table seems to rise higher over its small length.

What you don’t understand about a flat surface, is how they don’t keep rising and rising forever and ever like you believe they do…

It’s easy to prove they don’t keep rising forever, and prove they form horizons too.

What happens when you see over a flat surface, from lower above it?

It will seem to be rising upward closer to you than it did before,
and seems to be higher up than before.

What eventually happens if it’s long enough, seen low above it, both help to see a horizon form on a flat surface.

Horizons are actually the prime feature formed on a flat surface, which is unique to only a perfectly flat surface, no other surface can do, or as perfectly all over its length.

 

Have you ever been on a flat surface

Again, quit with all the pathetic BS.
Show the math to determine where the horizon should form, with justification.

If you can't, stop lying to everyone.

You are just using a pathetic, entirely circular argument, to say Earth is flat, so horizons form on a flat surface, so Earth is flat.
While sane people recognise the only horizon for a flat surface is the edge and so the horizon on Earth is clear evidence that Earth is round.

Otherwise, get back to the topic at hand, and tell us what motive there is for the government to lie about the shape of Earth.

If you want to lie about horizons, go back to the thread on it and answer the trivial you kept fleeing from because they exposed you as the worthless, lying scum you are.

No, it’s easily proven that flat surfaces form horizons on them.

In order to prove that, we must start with an entirely flat, measured as entirely flat surface.

The flat surface must be LONG ENOUGH to form a horizon on it, that’s all it takes to prove horizons firm on flat surfaces.

I don’t ever understand what you’re saying would be seen over the longest flat surface possible.

What could you possibly see over a thousand mile long flat surface from your viewpoint?

Why can’t you answer that?

If it keeps appearing to be rising upward over a thousand miles, it would have to actually be seen rising upward over a thousand miles.

The angle to still see it rise would block out the sky well before a thousand miles out.


Otherwise, it would not be seen rising upward over a thousand miles or even 20 miles out.


It would still be seen as a horizon in the distance, when the angle of its rise is too small to see.

No, it’s easily proven that flat surfaces form horizons on them.

Then why have you been entirely incapable of doing so?
Why are you still incapable of explaining how it forms?

The flat surface must be LONG ENOUGH to form a horizon on it

And yet you can't tell us how long this is.
What you are really saying here is that the surface must be long enough for the curvature of Earth to form a horizon and lying scum like you to lie to everyone by claiming it is flat.

What could you possibly see over a thousand mile long flat surface from your viewpoint?
Why can’t you answer that?

I can explain that, and why it is nothing more than a pathetic trivial deflection.
What you can see will vary depending upon what tools you use and how large the objects are.
But we don't need to go that far.
We can just go to a few km, using instruments where things like tops of buildings are clearly resolved, yet the bottom is missing.
This shows it cannot possibly be due to perspective, and you have no explanation for it.

The angle to still see it rise would block out the sky well before a thousand miles out.

Repeating the same lie wont help you.

Otherwise, it would not be seen rising upward over a thousand miles or even 20 miles out.

Again, it isn't merely the ground itself, but also objects on it, which in reality are blocked from view.

It would still be seen as a horizon in the distance, when the angle of its rise is too small to see.

Except as repeatedly established, that is not the case.
Especially because it doesn't vary based upon instruments.
Instead, we have a clear horizon which remains in place even with greater resolution and magnification.


And of course, all of this is still more of a pathetic deflection by you.
You still can't explain what motive the government would have to lie about the shape of Earth.

Only the bottom parts aren’t seen?

If it was due to a curve, then seeing it from further away we would then not see more and more of the building from the bottom and up to the top, and it would curve out of sight more over greater distance from the buildings as well.

Does that really happen at all? I’ve never seen it at all, in person or images or videos.

You sure like to say the bottom can’t be seen due to curvature, but you never mention the rest of it going out of sight due to your phantom curvature at all.


Seems very odd, doesn’t it?

Not at all, because only the bottom which can’t be seen is not fully true. Both the top of the surface and bottom of the building vanish or merge together over distance and is due to perspective and vanishing point. Heard of vanishing point? Not curving down below view point, btw

Not about the ball Earth, that is the first step to their ultimate  motive and goal.

It is then about where the ball Earth is, speeding through at super speeds…


It is about saying there is an endless universe out there, with whatever you think of being there somewhere far away.

Then rockets flew into space, and the unknown far beyond was now really true!


Aliens were the plan all along since day one.

We now have ai, and holographic or similar tech that nobody has ever seen before I’m sure. All this time, the governments say aliens might be out there somewhere far away, anything is possible, but they don’t know of any existing at all. While playing secret info and projects on aliens and ufos, causing public outrage and demanding they ‘disclose’ what they know about aliens because they are covering it all up from us….

Aliens then attack Earth, and we all must come together as one, and save our ball Earth that zips around through endless space!

We must all be chipped, or be imprisoned or killed as traitors of the human race.


I’m purely speculating on all this, but I see it as their ultimate goal -to be worshipped as our saviours and gods!  Perhaps one fake playing Christ returning to Earth at its greatest need. Aliens would work well for this great need

Only the bottom parts aren’t seen?

At that particular distance and elevation, yes.
If you get further away, or lower, then more is hidden until the entire object is.

Does that really happen at all? I’ve never seen it at all, in person or images or videos.

Yes, it does.
Including in images that have been provided to you.
e.g. in this thread here:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93119.msg2442471#msg2442471
So why do you insist on lying to everyone yet again?

Seems very odd, doesn’t it?

That you repeatedly strawman and lie to everyone?
It would be odd if you were a normal, decent, honest human being; but as you have repeatedly established, you are lying, subhuman scum with no concern for the truth at all.
You repeatedly lie to everyone, as you have done yet again.

Heard of vanishing point?

You mean what has already been addressed countless times before and which in no way explains that phenomenon?
Yes.
Like I have demonstrated countless times.

Not about the ball Earth, that is the first step to their ultimate  motive and goal.

A motive you can't seem to connect to at all, and instead go to insane speculation about.

It is about saying there is an endless universe out there

And a flat Earth doesn't exclude that possibility.
Remember, some FEers even think the FE is infinite, or at the very least much much larger than what it actually is.
Why couldn't the aliens come from there?
Why couldn't the aliens exist in other snow globes?

And if that is the plan, why have we known Earth is round for thousands of years, and yet still no aliens are coming?

Your excuse is pathetic.

I’m purely speculating on all this

Yes, wild, insane speculating with no connection to reality.
Meanwhile, ignoring the very thing you are falling victim to, actual religions claiming to have commands from a god, which you follow like a sheep.
Things you worship as a saviour and a god.

So if you want to go down that path, look at the religious leaders, not scientists and secular governments.

I’m the one here who looks at their claims and understands they’ve never been proven at all, and sees there now IS proof they are lies, while you believe them without any question or doubt, no matter what proof shows they lied, you worship them as gods, which is pathetic as can be!

I’m the one here who looks at their claims and understands they’ve never been proven at all...

Proven at all or proven to your satisfaction?