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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2007, 07:18:28 PM »
ok i know its not exactly 12 hours but it wouldnt take off 90 minutes of daylight you tool

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2007, 07:20:42 PM »
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according to the FAQ, the earth and the moon have the same specs and they CIRCLE earth at the equator and since we have a 24 hour day that means they would split the time evenly and you would HAVE to have 12 hours of daylight


That made absolutely no sense.

I recommend you take a refresher course in Geometry at your local Community College.



have fun, do i really need to explain what a circle is?

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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2007, 07:25:03 PM »
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have fun, do i really need to explain what a circle is?


If you had read the FAQ you would know that the sun is also moving during the year.



Days wouldn't always be 12 hours long.

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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2007, 07:27:02 PM »
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have fun, do i really need to explain what a circle is?


If you had read the FAQ you would know that the sun is also moving during the year.



Days wouldn't always be 12 hours long.


then now they wouldn't "CIRCLE AT THE EQUATOR", as stated in the FAQ

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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2007, 07:29:09 PM »
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then now they wouldn't "CIRCLE AT THE EQUATOR", as stated in the FAQ


I will also recommend taking a Reading Comprehension class or two.

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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2007, 07:33:12 PM »
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then now they wouldn't "CIRCLE AT THE EQUATOR", as stated in the FAQ


I will also recommend taking a Reading Comprehension class or two.


I will also recommend taking a loaded Glock-17 and putting a bullet in yourself


"circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall"

Are you that fuckin retarded?
Those words dont indicate approximations

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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2007, 07:33:35 PM »
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then now they wouldn't "CIRCLE AT THE EQUATOR", as stated in the FAQ


I will also recommend taking a credit/no credit Reading Comprehension class or two.


i would recomend fixing up the faq section....or stop having contradicting ideas with said section
his space means nothing.

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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2007, 07:38:17 PM »
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Those words dont indicate approximations


That's why you should take a Reading Comprehension class. So you can learn to read a full body of text before making baseless assumptions.

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i would recomend fixing up the faq section....or stop having contradicting ideas with said section


Where have I contradicted the FAQ? I'm just expanding on it, by specifying that the spotlight cannot be a perfect circle.

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Bom Tishop II

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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2007, 07:38:43 PM »
I can't believe the government actually read something correctly!!! thats not all, I cant believe I am wasting my time with this.

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Bom Tishop II

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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2007, 07:41:11 PM »
Wait, let me draw a random diagram and call it FAQ. Your assumption in the FAQ section are just that, assumption. Don't knock the Government for what you call assumption when this message board doesn't do too much better.

I'll be back later with my square shaped earth diagram... and ill even make a  FAQ section for it.

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2007, 07:41:44 PM »
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Those words dont indicate approximations


That's why you should take a Reading Comprehension class. So you can learn to read a full body of text before making baseless assumptions.

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i would recomend fixing up the faq section....or stop having contradicting ideas with said section


Where have I contradicted the FAQ? I'm just expanding on it, by specifying that the spotlight cannot be a perfect circle.


I believe you are an athiest, right? If so, athiests are always disproving the Bible with how it contradicts itself.. But to you just because one little section is contradicting doesnt make the whole text as a whole, False.

So which is it Bishy?? your starting to contradict yourself

If the Bible is false/true(by your standards) then the FAQ is false/true(by your standards)

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Bom Tishop II

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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2007, 07:44:10 PM »
I still don't understand how you can circumnavigate a flat object.

that might be off topic but still

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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2007, 07:52:20 PM »
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I will also recommend taking a loaded Glock-17 and putting a bullet in yourself


"circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall"

Are you that fuckin retarded?
Those words dont indicate approximations



Congratulations, you just got upset over Tom Bishop. Go kill yourself.

Does it say there a perfectly round, geometric circle? Could what it says possibly mean generally a circle, but with some deviation?

Go smoke some weed and calm down.

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2007, 07:56:28 PM »
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Quote from: "The Government"

I will also recommend taking a loaded Glock-17 and putting a bullet in yourself


"circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall"

Are you that fuckin retarded?
Those words dont indicate approximations



Congratulations, you just got upset over Tom Bishop. Go kill yourself.

Does it say there a perfectly round, geometric circle? Could what it says possibly mean generally a circle, but with some deviation?

Go smoke some weed and calm down.


theres no 'variation' in a circle, a circle is perfect, no different

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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2007, 07:57:05 PM »
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If so, athiests are always disproving the Bible with how it contradicts itself.. But to you just because one little section is contradicting doesnt make the whole text as a whole, False.


The FAQ isn't the Bible. It only takes ten minutes to read the FAQ, for one.

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So which is it Bishy?? your starting to contradict yourself


Are you always this interesting?

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If the Bible is false/true(by your standards) then the FAQ is false/true(by your standards)


The FAQ is simply an introduction to the FE model, dumbed down for people like you.

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« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2007, 08:01:23 PM »
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If so, athiests are always disproving the Bible with how it contradicts itself.. But to you just because one little section is contradicting doesnt make the whole text as a whole, False.


The FAQ isn't the Bible. It only takes ten minutes to read the FAQ, for one.

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So which is it Bishy?? your starting to contradict yourself


Are you always this interesting?

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If the Bible is false/true(by your standards) then the FAQ is false/true(by your standards)


The FAQ is simply an introduction to the FE model, dumbed down for people like you.


Yea, im the one dumbed down when all you do is come up with the same shitty replies... You all are obviously completely insane morons for thinking the world is flat after it has been proven for hundreds of years

im out for the night bishy, you can sit there all day tomorrow and come up with something that might actually make sense

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« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2007, 08:07:16 PM »
He's just using a simple metaphor there Tom...and obviously the faq isn't "dumbed down" enough for us REers,because of how much we are harassed by you guys for our lack of knoweldge and such.

How is it though that you state that we aren't smart enough to understand your faq section,but you are to blind or dumb to know what a metaphor is?



I'm gonna also have to agree with The Government. In my short time on this board i've read your responses Tommy Boy....they seem to all be alike,with some variations.

Here's an idea: Make a topic that states the stuff we don't seem to undertsand more easily, in a more dumbed-down state. I,for one, would like to see that. Maybe then I'll get more understanding,or w/e.
his space means nothing.

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« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2007, 08:31:59 PM »
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theres no 'variation' in a circle, a circle is perfect, no different


....

But as opposed to describing the exact path the sun takes, perhaps it was describing the general direction of the sun, taking into account the variations for seasons, etc.

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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2007, 12:04:59 PM »
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That doesn't explain anything. Perhaps you didn't understand the point. The sun travels at a SET SPEED.


The earth in the SWF animation I posted is also traveling at a set speed. One hour per frame.


He understood that.

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According to the FE hypothesis, the Southern hemisphere has a FAR larger area, as such it would need a substantially greater exposure time to achieve the same temperature.


Why would the Southern Hemidisk have the same temperature of the Northern Hemidisk on any given day? They're in different seasons, you know. Days are longer in the summer.


You're misunderstanding.  What he meant is the same as what you've quoted me as saying below.


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If the sun's light is cast in a round/oval shape, why isn't the southern hemisphere much colder in their summer than the northern hemisphere is in theirs


The Southern Hemidisk would be just as hot in its summer as the Northern Hemidisk is in theirs. What makes you think it wouldn't be? The oval moves upwards for the Northern Hemidisk's summer.


It's not just a matter of where the light is cast.  It's a matter of how long light is cast in a specific area.

The area south of the equator receives approximately the same amount of light, total, during its summer, as the area north of the equator does during its summer.

However, in FE theory, the southern "hemidisk" is not equal in area to that of the northern disc.  If the Earth is some value "r" in radius (12,450 miles  according to the FAQ), then the northern hemidisk's radius is half that, or r/2.  the souther is pi*(r/2)*(r/2) in surface area, or pi*(r^2)/4.  Since the total surface of area of the earth would be pi*r^2, the southern hemidisk's surface area would be pi*r^2-(pi*r^2/4) or 3/4*pi*r^2.

So the southern hemidisk would have a surface area of exactly three times that of the northern hemidisk.  Since the same amount of light is shining over more surface area, and the light is what's heating that area, the southern hemidisk would have much colder summers and much colder winters than the northern hemidisk would.

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how is this oval distortion accomplished?


Imagine a flashlight shining down upon a round dinner table at an altitude of one foot. Angle the flashlight just a tad and you have an oval spotlight instead of a round one.


Yes, Tom, but there is a major problem with that analogy.  To make the sunlight that much of an oval shape, the sun would have to be China, or on the other side of the ice wall, when it's shining on America.  Plus, your relativistic lensing only works when pointing straight down: it's based on the direction of acceleration.

The only way we would see that much of an oval shape, with the Sun a sphere and the spotlight effect caused by relativistic lensing, would be if we were constantly accelerating towards the sun, and our direction of acceleration were therefore constantly changing.  In that case, since that acceleration is the only thing keeping us pinned down on this planet, we'd definitely feel the difference in acceleration.  We'd all be feeling acceleration constantly pulling us either always north or always south.  It would be especially prevalent in ocean travel.

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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2007, 12:27:43 PM »

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« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2007, 02:11:01 PM »
I think Tom doesn't understand what you're trying to explain, which is why his answers make no sense (well, less sense than usual.)
atttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.

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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2007, 08:23:22 PM »
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how is this oval distortion accomplished?


Imagine a flashlight shining down upon a round dinner table at an altitude of one foot. Angle the flashlight just a tad and you have an oval spotlight instead of a round one.


This theory here...I don't get it. You're saying that the sun would act like an oval spotlight. How is this possible,it can't be.

Any given day you should look into the sky at the sun for just a second or take a picture. Unless our eyes lie,the sun is round. this would also make it a ball of gas emmiting light that would have light going in....survey says: all directions.

how is it possible that a giant round ball of omni-directional light become an oval spotlight on the earth? and how does each object rotate or orbit each other?
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« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2007, 08:25:32 PM »

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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2007, 05:45:25 AM »
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how is this oval distortion accomplished?


Imagine a flashlight shining down upon a round dinner table at an altitude of one foot. Angle the flashlight just a tad and you have an oval spotlight instead of a round one.


Any given day you should look into the sky at the sun for just a second or take a picture. Unless our eyes lie,the sun is round. this would also make it a ball of gas emmiting light that would have light going in....survey says: all directions.


Apparently, the sun's light is distorted into a spotlight by "relativistic lensing."  According to Tom, anyway.

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how is it possible that a giant round ball of omni-directional light become an oval spotlight on the earth?

Tom's lensing seems to explain a round spotlight (I don't know enough about relativity to disprove it, anyway.  Ask TheEngineer if it's possible).  The round spotlight being distorted into an oval?  Not so much.

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and how does each object rotate or orbit each other?

If I remember FE theory correctly, the sun is traveling in a circle approximately above the equator.  Or the Earth is rotating with the sun staying approximately over the equator.  One or the other.

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« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2007, 03:22:56 PM »
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how is this oval distortion accomplished?


Imagine a flashlight shining down upon a round dinner table at an altitude of one foot. Angle the flashlight just a tad and you have an oval spotlight instead of a round one.


Any given day you should look into the sky at the sun for just a second or take a picture. Unless our eyes lie,the sun is round. this would also make it a ball of gas emmiting light that would have light going in....survey says: all directions.


Apparently, the sun's light is distorted into a spotlight by "relativistic lensing."  According to Tom, anyway.

Quote from: "dmstrdman20"
how is it possible that a giant round ball of omni-directional light become an oval spotlight on the earth?

Tom's lensing seems to explain a round spotlight (I don't know enough about relativity to disprove it, anyway.  Ask TheEngineer if it's possible).  The round spotlight being distorted into an oval?  Not so much.

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and how does each object rotate or orbit each other?

If I remember FE theory correctly, the sun is traveling in a circle approximately above the equator.  Or the Earth is rotating with the sun staying approximately over the equator.  One or the other.


I still can't believe that Tom can't explain this. You have time to go on-and-on aimlessly in other threads but can't seem to answer a quiestion i ask. Maybe it's because you can't answer it,proving that a flat earth can not exisit. this same subject was brought up in another thread and still has yet to be answered. Oh Tommy Boy.....ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION!!!
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« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2007, 06:18:01 PM »
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how is this oval distortion accomplished?


Imagine a flashlight shining down upon a round dinner table at an altitude of one foot. Angle the flashlight just a tad and you have an oval spotlight instead of a round one.


Any given day you should look into the sky at the sun for just a second or take a picture. Unless our eyes lie,the sun is round. this would also make it a ball of gas emmiting light that would have light going in....survey says: all directions.


Apparently, the sun's light is distorted into a spotlight by "relativistic lensing."  According to Tom, anyway.

Quote from: "dmstrdman20"
how is it possible that a giant round ball of omni-directional light become an oval spotlight on the earth?

Tom's lensing seems to explain a round spotlight (I don't know enough about relativity to disprove it, anyway.  Ask TheEngineer if it's possible).  The round spotlight being distorted into an oval?  Not so much.

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and how does each object rotate or orbit each other?

If I remember FE theory correctly, the sun is traveling in a circle approximately above the equator.  Or the Earth is rotating with the sun staying approximately over the equator.  One or the other.


I still can't believe that Tom can't explain this. You have time to go on-and-on aimlessly in other threads but can't seem to answer a quiestion i ask. Maybe it's because you can't answer it,proving that a flat earth can not exisit. this same subject was brought up in another thread and still has yet to be answered. Oh Tommy Boy.....ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION!!!


sorry for being impolite.
ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION......please

Seriously,does nobody have an answer?
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« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2007, 06:19:18 PM »
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The sun's spotlight is more of an oval shape.

See: http://www.2send.us/uploads/64dcc10571.swf

as well as your head

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« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2007, 06:24:16 PM »
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sorry for being impolite.
ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION......please

Seriously,does nobody have an answer?


The Sun's light is also distorted by the atmosphere. You'll notice that it never appears as a perfect circle in the sky.

http://www.mtnvisions.com/Photos/Celestil/media/GrenFlsh.jpg

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« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2007, 06:35:00 PM »
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sorry for being impolite.
ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION......please

Seriously,does nobody have an answer?


The Sun's light is also distorted by the atmosphere. You'll notice that it never appears as a perfect circle in the sky.

http://www.mtnvisions.com/Photos/Celestil/media/GrenFlsh.jpg


Light is distorted,i get that. it doesn't look like a perfect circle,i'll give ya that. but the fact of the matter is that the sun IS a sphere of omni-directional light. that just gives an explination of why it looks non-circular.
please provide information on how the sun goes from a sphere of omni-directional light to an oval spotlight.

Any more stupid answers from you and i'll just assume your pulling shit outta your ass.
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« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2007, 12:39:20 AM »
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but the fact of the matter is that the sun IS a sphere of omni-directional light.

You just pulled that out of your ass.