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« on: February 07, 2007, 08:06:04 AM »
Sorry if this is the wrong area for discussion.

Do you think it would hurt if you got hit in the face with a pan?

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Masterchef

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2007, 08:07:46 AM »
Yes.

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2007, 08:08:47 AM »
what if the pan was flat?  meaning that it had no curved edges...

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2007, 08:08:56 AM »
I could take it.

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2007, 08:09:20 AM »
I don't know. I suggest you try both on yourself, and then fill us in.

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2007, 08:09:53 AM »
Pain is a subjective experience. The only way you can know if it'll hurt you is if you hit yourself in the face with a pan.

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2007, 08:10:56 AM »
That isnt true.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2007, 08:13:08 AM »
bed, bath, and beyond does not sell flat pans.

I'm interested in the outcome of this experiment.

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2007, 08:24:29 AM »
Quote from: "ceez_says_doh"
bed, bath, and beyond does not sell flat pans.

I'm interested in the outcome of this experiment.


Try MacGiant's, I used them to get protractors that had a radius of 2 meters. Of course if they sell flat plans they'll be absolutely huge.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2007, 08:25:06 AM »
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That isnt true.


What isn't true?

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2007, 08:25:40 AM »
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That isnt true.


What isn't true?


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Pain is a subjective experience. The only way you can know if it'll hurt you is if you hit yourself in the face with a pan.

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2007, 08:28:28 AM »
What's an objective way to measure pain?

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2007, 08:31:33 AM »
knowing that a heavy object smashing you in the face is going to hurt.

Knowing that the tree im cutting down is going to hurt as it plummets down towards me.

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2007, 08:33:31 AM »
:twisted:

So... if I used a baking sheet, would that produce similar results as a frying pan?

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2007, 08:36:01 AM »
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knowing that a heavy object smashing you in the face is going to hurt.

Knowing that the tree im cutting down is going to hurt as it plummets down towards me.


Again, this depends on who it is. A frying pan in the face might hurt other people and there can be people who won't feel the pain.

It is subjective, if it isn't provide me with an objective way of measuring it.

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2007, 08:52:12 AM »
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knowing that a heavy object smashing you in the face is going to hurt.

Knowing that the tree im cutting down is going to hurt as it plummets down towards me.


Again, this depends on who it is. A frying pan in the face might hurt other people and there can be people who won't feel the pain.

It is subjective, if it isn't provide me with an objective way of measuring it.


you raise a perfectly legit question and i'll need some time to formulate an answer.  i'm looking through my encyclopedia britanica's and will post when I have a somewhat definitive answer that can objectively measure such experiences.

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2007, 08:59:14 AM »
I look forward to it.

In the mean time think about this: if that tree you chopped down fell on a rock would the rock feel pain? What is the actual cause of pain (ie what causes the sensation within us)?

Pain is a personal experience and only you can judge accurately whether something is going to hurt you (a lot of people get dissapointed when they try using pressure points on me because many of them don't work).

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2007, 10:10:01 AM »
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I look forward to it.

In the mean time think about this: if that tree you chopped down fell on a rock would the rock feel pain? What is the actual cause of pain (ie what causes the sensation within us)?

Pain is a personal experience and only you can judge accurately whether something is going to hurt you (a lot of people get dissapointed when they try using pressure points on me because many of them don't work).


the brain has receptors specifically designed for registering the sensation of pain.  you could objectively measure the existence of pain by monitoring these receptors though I'm not sure if you can measure the degree of pain in the same manner.

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2007, 10:14:32 AM »
The rock would not feel pain, as it is an inanimate object.

Much like the discussion, if a tree falls in the forest, does it make any noise?

While in truth said tree would not make any noise, it does in fact create sound.

Noise is interpreted as sound in which is perceived with an eardrum.

Therefore, a tree will make sounds as it falls, but if no one is there, then it does not make any noise.

Also, the aforementioned rock theory does have a caveat.

If said rock is actually a protrusion from the turtle's shell, then it is possible that the turtle could feel pain.

While this is pain threshold is unknown, and perhaps is wrong in one sense.

A turtle's shell is made of hard plates of calcium, in which have no nerve endings.  This would preclude this instance of causing pain, but would cause a slight pressure on said shell.

While this would probably not cause any pain to said mythological turtle, it might cause him/her/it to shift slightly, displacing said tree off of the protrusion of its shell.

While this would be but a simple move to said turtle, this shirting would cause unforeseen damage through the shifting of the Flat Earth's tectonic plates.

Theoretically, this shifting of the tectonic plates would cause other trees to fall, continuing this vicious cycle of tree meeting protrusion of said shell, shifting of shell, repeat....

Coupled with this, is that I am sure that the elephants would be pissed, as they would then have to counter balance any shift in aforementioned items, which would cause them to break out of their revelry with their hookahs.

Nothing could be worse for this flat earth, than four pissed off elephants.

Therefore, when we discuss the probability of said pan hitting Ceez's face, always remember that the unforeseen circumstances that can occur by a simple tree failing in a hypothetical forest.

And hookahs.

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2007, 10:27:47 AM »
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The rock would not feel pain, as it is an inanimate object.

Much like the discussion, if a tree falls in the forest, does it make any noise?

While in truth said tree would not make any noise, it does in fact create sound.

Noise is interpreted as sound in which is perceived with an eardrum.

Therefore, a tree will make sounds as it falls, but if no one is there, then it does not make any noise.

Also, the aforementioned rock theory does have a caveat.

If said rock is actually a protrusion from the turtle's shell, then it is possible that the turtle could feel pain.

While this is pain threshold is unknown, and perhaps is wrong in one sense.

A turtle's shell is made of hard plates of calcium, in which have no nerve endings.  This would preclude this instance of causing pain, but would cause a slight pressure on said shell.

While this would probably not cause any pain to said mythological turtle, it might cause him/her/it to shift slightly, displacing said tree off of the protrusion of its shell.

While this would be but a simple move to said turtle, this shirting would cause unforeseen damage through the shifting of the Flat Earth's tectonic plates.

Theoretically, this shifting of the tectonic plates would cause other trees to fall, continuing this vicious cycle of tree meeting protrusion of said shell, shifting of shell, repeat....

Coupled with this, is that I am sure that the elephants would be pissed, as they would then have to counter balance any shift in aforementioned items, which would cause them to break out of their revelry with their hookahs.

Nothing could be worse for this flat earth, than four pissed off elephants.

Therefore, when we discuss the probability of said pan hitting Ceez's face, always remember that the unforeseen circumstances that can occur by a simple tree failing in a hypothetical forest.

And hookahs.


Didn't read most of what you wrote. Are you trying to suggest that I'm wrong and that pain isn't subjective?

I'm not trying to argue whether pain exists or not. I'm arguing that pain is subjective and what causes pain in somebody might not be painful for somebody else. Look at the birth of my child for example, it didn't hurt me at all whereas the birth of my girlfriend's child hurt her quite a bit (you don't need to bother refuting this). More accurately though, it is subjective because it is the subject that creates the sensation. A rock won't feel pain because it has no nerve endings, humans and turtles have nerve endings. It's not the same as a tree falling in the woods, that will still create sound waves - there are no "pain waves", just signals from your nerve endings informing your brain that something bad is happening. If somebody gets hit with a frying pan and their nerve endings are dead do they still feel pain? No.

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2007, 10:28:36 AM »
:lol:

Really should have read through your whole post...

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2007, 10:45:42 AM »
someone ripped out one of the pages I needed from my encyclopedia!!!!

this will have to wait until tomorrow when I can get to the free library of philadelphia to resume my research.

i apologize but want to thank you 'fellas' for a stimulating discussion on whether or not being hit in the face with a pan is painful.

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2007, 12:03:54 PM »
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someone ripped out one of the pages I needed from my encyclopedia!!!!

this will have to wait until tomorrow when I can get to the free library of philadelphia to resume my research.

i apologize but want to thank you 'fellas' for a stimulating discussion on whether or not being hit in the face with a pan is painful.


Oh man, I hear the pain of needing the library's Encyclopedia.

I was reading P the other day, (I had to plow force myself through O, it was just too dry for me, what with its Orthopedics and Omnipotent) and lo and behold, somebody had ripped out some of my pages!

Well, I just can't stand for that, when somebody makes public property private.

So, I went up to the librarian, and demanded that we needed to get a new P Encyclopedia.  I mean, how we supposed to be educated, if we cannot know the true value of P?

Well, the librarian got all in a huff, accusing me of defacing some of the other books (Hey, they can't prove it.  I will admit, some of the illustrations in the books just were not correct.  They needed fixing.), and then had the nerve to accuse me of the defamation!

I was outraged!  It even made me involuntarily step back, to hear this slander of my good name.

But I would not be downtrodden by these factless accusations.  I stepped right back up to the plate, much like Mike Schmidt would after a high heater near his noodle, and defended my honor.

I said, "You know, I love books, from those silly historical proclamations, fictional atlases, to the highly educational children’s series, Serendipity (Damn those books are good).

To think, that I would disallow a fellow book worm of myself, the needless and heartless actions of stealing some of the P, well, I just won't stand for that!"

I then proceeded back to my favorite corner, and started to write in a loose leaf pad all the words that fell between Platypus and Polymorphism.  I then added these pages to the P encyclopedia book.  

No one should be without P.


Also, I was broached the other day by a heathen (Or round world believer, if you like), silly heathen, about what the underside of the flat world would look like.

I then proceeded to educate my fine fellow of unintentional ignorance.

You see, the underside of the flat world is a wonderful place, full of magical wonders.  It is a place that if human eyes could but look upon it, they would be stricken dumb by the gloriousness of it.

I did mention that you should not stare at the elephants much, as they seem to get unnerved by staring.  I was always curious about that, as they seem to be quite content and happy, with their hookahs and Pop-o-Matic bubble game.

Mmmm, the Pop-o-Matic bubble.  Such a more glorious device conceived, I can think of not.

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2007, 12:13:53 PM »
Quote from: "ceez_says_doh"
someone ripped out one of the pages I needed from my encyclopedia!!!!

this will have to wait until tomorrow when I can get to the free library of philadelphia to resume my research.

i apologize but want to thank you 'fellas' for a stimulating discussion on whether or not being hit in the face with a pan is painful.

Ummm...You're on the internet and have to go to the library and check their encyclopedia?  :roll:
quote]The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane. ~ Twain[/quote]
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2007, 12:32:12 PM »
Quote from: "Pipe Dreams"
Quote from: "ceez_says_doh"
someone ripped out one of the pages I needed from my encyclopedia!!!!

this will have to wait until tomorrow when I can get to the free library of philadelphia to resume my research.

i apologize but want to thank you 'fellas' for a stimulating discussion on whether or not being hit in the face with a pan is painful.

Ummm...You're on the internet and have to go to the library and check their encyclopedia?  :roll:


Wait, you trust what is on the internet?

Everything that is in a book is truth.  This whole internet thingy, is nothing more than a conspiracy to delude people from the truth.

You can't trust the internet.

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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2007, 12:36:34 PM »
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Wait, you trust what is on the internet?

Everything that is in a book is truth.  This whole internet thingy, is nothing more than a conspiracy to delude people from the truth.

You can't trust the internet.

If I can't trust anything I read on the web then I can't believe what you just said. Therefore I can, in point of fact, trust some things that I read on the net.
quote]The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane. ~ Twain[/quote]
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Et tu, Bruté? ~ Shakespeare

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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2007, 12:59:10 PM »
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Quote from: "nIx_alter_eGo"
Wait, you trust what is on the internet?

Everything that is in a book is truth.  This whole internet thingy, is nothing more than a conspiracy to delude people from the truth.

You can't trust the internet.

If I can't trust anything I read on the web then I can't believe what you just said. Therefore I can, in point of fact, trust some things that I read on the net.


Ahh, but see, this is one of the few bastions of truth that is left on the internet.

But I do see your point, as there is an abundant amount of information that is available on the internet.

Perhaps the caveat to this discussion should be that all information that is attained via the internet should be taken with a grain of salt, until which time said information has been verified and confirmed via the written word.

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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2007, 01:07:43 PM »
Quote from: "nIx_alter_eGo"
Ahh, but see, this is one of the few bastions of truth that is left on the internet.

But I do see your point, as there is an abundant amount of information that is available on the internet.

Perhaps the caveat to this discussion should be that all information that is attained via the internet should be taken with a grain of salt, until which time said information has been verified and confirmed via the written word.

You're assuming that the infomation in books is any more accurate than what you'll find online.

What you can do is verify that the info you get online is in accordance with what you would find in books on the same subject, but that still doesn't prove any of it is accurate.

In the case of the encyclopedia missing pages, you could check other pages in your book with what's in the online version. If they match then there's no reason to believe that the one thing that's been ripped from your book has been falsified.
quote]The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane. ~ Twain[/quote]
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Et tu, Bruté? ~ Shakespeare

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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2007, 01:30:33 PM »
You're all very strange.

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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2007, 02:42:53 PM »
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You're all very strange.


Why, thank you!