Are you feeling safer?

OMG you did the thing!

So what you are saying *completely make something up that I never said or implied*

I am not talking about the people who set shit on fire. I'm talking about normal people, who are not rioting (this bit was in my post, not the stuff you made up). People are upset, regular people. People who are not right wing, or thugs, or likely to ever intentionally burn a house down.

unconvinced, is everyone upset by this insane attack out burning shit down? Why do you think I have sympathy for the arsonists, and ignore everything else? Do you think all communities frightened by thugs should be appeased, or only certain ones? Aren't you upset by what happened? If you are, then does that mean you should be out there setting shit on fire?

There are many people upset by this, they are not happy with the way your govt is handling it. These are not people who are rioting or setting fires. They are just as baffled as I am that some people think talking about this problem is somehow worse than a man trying to saw another man's head off.

You posted Kier Starmer’s statement on the race riots.  Far right thugs burning people’s homes.  Acting all shocked that he wasn’t appeasing them.

I do wonder why people in power are not doing anything to appease people, because telling them not to politicize events, or to stay calm isn't working. Telling people not to politicize something is politicizing it, in a way.

There are many people upset by this, they are not happy with the way your govt is handling it. These are not people who are rioting or setting fires. They are just as baffled as I am that some people think talking about this problem is somehow worse than a man trying to saw another man's head off.

Sometimes you say things that are so reasonable I cant help but believe you're just a genuinely decent person.

So what you are saying is

She didn't say anything like that stop inciting violence.

You posted Kier Starmer’s statement on the race riots.  Far right thugs burning people’s homes.  Acting all shocked that he wasn’t appeasing them.

You have read things into my posts that aren't there. I never "acted all shocked" that he wasn't appeasing the arsonists.

Get hold of yourself and calm down. Jeeze

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2064634183515832807

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The scenes in Belfast last night were shocking and completely unacceptable.

There is no justification for the violence and disorder that we saw threatening our communities, nor for those who encouraged it, online or elsewhere.

It is clear that people were targeted last night because of their background and I will not tolerate it. Those responsible will feel the full force of the law.

I’ve spoken to the Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland to convey my thanks to them and the frontline emergency services for their bravery in keeping people safe. I’ve also spoken to the First Minister and Deputy First Minister to discuss the ongoing situation.

Appealing for calm must be the priority, and that is what I urge now. We must let the police get on with their work.

Social media is making it seem that Belfast is on fire, but even grok says that is an exaggeration. I do wonder why people in power are not doing anything to appease people, because telling them not to politicize events, or to stay calm isn't working. Telling people not to politicize something is politicizing it, in a way.

What do you find so strange about this statement?

How is it politicising?

What appeasement would you expect from government?

Be clear and start talking sense, and you might just sound less like you are making excuses for those stirring up or committing acts of racist violence.

What appeasement would you expect from government?

Acknowledge why reasonable people are upset. Stop calling people who are reasonably upset racist.

Which, you, like our ruling class and GCHQ apparently don't know because you're just really, really stupid. Not because you want violent unrest. Never assume malice when mouth breathing, drooling stupidity will suffice.

You constantly repeating yourself doesn’t make your argument any less stupid, but I will reiterate my position for clarity.

It is entirely normal to get upset about a hideous act of violence. Going back to Uncon’s post about the copper who abducted, raped and murdered that girl in London, I was particularly upset as the road he lifted her from was two streets away from where my daughter lived at the time, she regularly walked it alone, it could have been her.

The flag wearing violent thugs didn’t turn out for that atrocity, they only do so under specific circumstances.
As he pointed out, Farage didn’t call for cold rage in that case, the “protests” were silent vigils, nothing was burnt, people didn’t go door to door looking for people of the same countenance to attack, there is a difference and that difference is racism.

See but this is what you and Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon are trying to do, together, as a team.

I'm tired of this.

When something like this happens there is always a large psychological operation performed to smooth over public perception and solidify our leaders power.

When Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon goes out and targets innocent people and burns down their homes, he's working with you, and GCHQ on a psychological operation. In order to protect the power of the ruling class. People arent allowed to be upset at the attempted beheading because it leads to pointed questions about whether or not our leaders have our best interests at heart.

And British intelligence cant have that. Their absolute best tactic in this situation would be to make a boogeyman immediately and then laser focus on that boogeyman the government will protect you from. That way uncomfortable questions like;

"Do our politicians have our best interests at heart?"

Are drowned out in the religious fervor of your propaganda.

You really have a vastly inflated ego to think GCHQ is the slightest bit interested in you and this place.

Just imagine for a moment that you have it wrong, through a combination of inflammation of your sense of worth, an overestimate of your intelligence and an unfortunate coincidence, and I am just a bored opinionated display designer.

Quote from: Unconvinced on June 11, 2026, 12:29:51 AM

What appeasement would you expect from government?

Acknowledge why reasonable people are upset. Stop calling people who are reasonably upset racist.

So do the thing everyone has already done, and don’t do the thing no one is doing.

Thanks genius.

Unless you mean people who are upset that there are brown people and want to get rid of the brown people? 

I think the govt should be more worried about the normies who are simmering. Maybe "appease" was the wrong word, because you and Jura seem to have latched onto it thinking I mean the govt should look the other way when rioters and arsonists burn shit down.

There are many many people all across Europe upset by mass immigration and the crime it brought with it. They are upset by the inequality under the law.  They are dissatisfied by the notion that censoring the internet will fix the problems caused by all this. By not dealing honestly with the issues, and treating people who are upset as if they are literally Hitlers, you are opening the door for right wing populists. Obviously, people who start riots, attack innocent people, set houses on fire, etc should be arrested and hopefully charged and convicted for the crimes they committed.

Appease - granting concessions to restore peace and relieve tensions

Are there no compromises to be made with the people who are upset, afraid, angry, but not setting fires and attacking people? I believe tensions are building, everywhere. I believe that any political victories enjoyed by the left(ish) will be short lived, and that most of the world is shifting to the right. There has to be a solution that brings some equilibrium.

You guys get so mad that you can't read what I say. If you think I got something wrong instead of smiting me (lol) and then making up something, just explain what you think I got wrong. You know, we Americans take a lot of criticism about our own country without all the "so what you're saying is" crap. Learn to take it on the chin!

Vice versa, you didn’t articulate very well, appease has a very particular place in English history, and you said you thought you knew what Dispo was saying, and we already know what he says.

It is true we are divided by a language.

I wasn’t mad, I was incredulous.

I don’t call people that are upset racists, I call people that use incidents like these as a reason to burn out brown peoples’ homes and businesses, racist, there is a difference.

Oh, so you were triggered by "appease". I don't know about your history with that word. I just used it with the normal definition.

(don't be mad, I'm joking about "triggered")

I think the govt should be more worried about the normies who are simmering. Maybe "appease" was the wrong word, because you and Jura seem to have latched onto it thinking I mean the govt should look the other way when rioters and arsonists burn shit down.

There are many many people all across Europe upset by mass immigration and the crime it brought with it. They are upset by the inequality under the law.  They are dissatisfied by the notion that censoring the internet will fix the problems caused by all this. By not dealing honestly with the issues, and treating people who are upset as if they are literally Hitlers, you are opening the door for right wing populists. Obviously, people who start riots, attack innocent people, set houses on fire, etc should be arrested and hopefully charged and convicted for the crimes they committed.

Appease - granting concessions to restore peace and relieve tensions

Are there no compromises to be made with the people who are upset, afraid, angry, but not setting fires and attacking people? I believe tensions are building, everywhere. I believe that any political victories enjoyed by the left(ish) will be short lived, and that most of the world is shifting to the right. There has to be a solution that brings some equilibrium.

You guys get so mad that you can't read what I say. If you think I got something wrong instead of smiting me (lol) and then making up something, just explain what you think I got wrong. You know, we Americans take a lot of criticism about our own country without all the "so what you're saying is" crap. Learn to take it on the chin!

“Mass immigration” and all the crime that brown people supposedly people do!

Sounds a bit like accepting the narrative peddled by the far right.  When a foreigner or British Muslim or British Sikh commits a nasty crime, the far right always say  immigration is the big problem.  When a white British guy does something horrible, nothing.

Innocent immigrants, Muslims, etc pay the price for the collective blame that far right dickheads put on them.

Here’s a question for you- If an African American man commits a horrible crime would you find it acceptable for people to start saying that the big problem is too many black people in the US, and you need to do something about that?  Or would you be shocked?  Would you find that a bit racist?

Because that’s what’s happening here.  That’s what the far right parties are basically saying, only it’s usually Muslim communities under attack.

Moving on.  Mass immigration. What does that mean? Can you define it? Put a number on it?  How much immigration is “mass immigration”? Whats an acceptable level of immigration?

Does it matter that Labour are massively tightening up immigration criteria?  That net immigration is waaaay down?  Or that they’ve really pissed off most of the left in doing so?  Is that enough “appeasement”?

Does is matter that overall crime, particularly violent crime has been trending down the last few decades while all these terrible brown people have been coming to our shores?

Not to the far right.  It doesn’t matter what the government does, they’ll always bang the drum that they are doing “mass immigration”, “open borders” etc. and that’s the big problem the country has.  Absolute bullshit.

Does it matter that Farage and others used “mass immigration” to talk people into the Brexit clusterfuck.  Only then it wasn’t brown people and Muslims, it was mainly white Europeans. Eastern Europeans in the crosshairs mainly, like Henry Nowak’s family (Polish).  No wonder they didn’t want the likes of Farage stirring shit up, having been on the receiving end of the last round.

The far right lie about everything, they twist everything and they shoehorn everything to fit their narrative.  Brexit in the UK, Trump in the US, other shitbags elsewhere, always a disaster, always corrupt, never helping the people pissed off in the first place. 

Maybe its time to stop pretending that they have a point and stop listening to them all?  Such as shame that otherwise decent people continue to buy their crap.

I saw Owen Jones tweet about violent crime being down. lol  Still https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/nearly-two-thirds-of-convicted-rapists-in-sweden-are-migrants-or-/  It's about the same in Germany. It would probably be the same in the UK, if they punished rapists in the UK.

I don't give a shit what the "far right" are saying. I follow mostly women (and some men) who care about how unsafe it is to be around these men. I don't care what color they are, it is their religious ideology that makes them dangerous. It is not being held to the same legal standards that makes them dangerous.

You really have a vastly inflated ego to think GCHQ is the slightest bit interested in you and this place.

They aren't interested in me, they are interested in the riots and public perception.

Stop pretending to be stupid.

Quote from: disputeone on June 11, 2026, 12:53:38 AM

Quote from: Unconvinced on June 11, 2026, 12:29:51 AM

What appeasement would you expect from government?

Acknowledge why reasonable people are upset. Stop calling people who are reasonably upset racist.

So do the thing everyone has already done, and don’t do the thing no one is doing.

Oh they've already done this?
I must have missed it.

Last time I checked you were using your alt account to call SCG racist for being reasonably upset.

Jura.

I saw Owen Jones tweet about violent crime being down. lol  Still https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/nearly-two-thirds-of-convicted-rapists-in-sweden-are-migrants-or-/  It's about the same in Germany. It would probably be the same in the UK, if they punished rapists in the UK.

I don't give a shit what the "far right" are saying. I follow mostly women (and some men) who care about how unsafe it is to be around these men. I don't care what color they are, it is their religious ideology that makes them dangerous. It is not being held to the same legal standards that makes them dangerous.

What makes you so sure of that? Didn't they get riled up about the Sikh last time? A while before that incident, a lot of these people were treating the Sikh as a "model minority", unlike the bad bad Muslims.

Do you think it ever stops? Because we've had a right wing government for 7 years now, elected in part because of their promise to curb immigration. And they largely did, plus immigration declined on its own. We have few immigrants compared to other places in Europe. Did these people stop? No. They still complain about it and in every poll you will find a sizeable proportion of people answering that immigration is THE most important issue plaguing Greece. Will they stop? No. It doesn't matter what you do.

I saw Owen Jones tweet about violent crime being down. lol  Still https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/nearly-two-thirds-of-convicted-rapists-in-sweden-are-migrants-or-/  It's about the same in Germany. It would probably be the same in the UK, if they punished rapists in the UK.

I don't give a shit what the "far right" are saying. I follow mostly women (and some men) who care about how unsafe it is to be around these men. I don't care what color they are, it is their religious ideology that makes them dangerous. It is not being held to the same legal standards that makes them dangerous.

Didn’t want to answer my question about black men in the US I see.  Some of them crime stats are kinda high aren’t they?   I guess the Overton window hasn’t shifted enough for discussion about the black people problem to hit the mainstream.  Give it time, they’ll get round to it eventually.

Oh sure, you don’t care what the far right say.  They just put out disinformation and distorted cherry picked statistics on social media, which get promoted and amplified by the likes of Musk on his shithole of a platform.  Vance repeatedly weighs in about Europe’s immigration problem, Hegseth disgracefully talks about a migrant invasion at a D day memorial, etc, etc.

All this does get picked up by the “normies”.  That’s why disinformation on social media is such a problem.  If it was just the far right talking to themselves, it wouldn’t matter.

Sweden has been a recent target.  You can read the first bit of this pay-walled article to get the idea:

https://www.limede.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2025/12/15/why-is-the-international-far-right-movement-obsessed-with-sweden_6748498_8.html

So about your link.  Seems to just be the quote, but that’s OK, I found the paper:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605241311611

The discussion part talks about socioeconomic factors they examined, which accounts for much of the disparity but not all.  Lots of other factors too, including cultural, level of societal integration, etc.  Not unlike discussion of African American crime statistics.  More research needed.  They also make a point of saying the cases are of course a tiny proportion of the immigrant or immigrant descendant population.

Guess what isn’t part of the study?  Religion.  No data on how many of these men were Muslim or anything else.  Huh.

But here you are talking about “these men” and their “dangerous religious ideology”.

As posted before, here’s over a hundred women’s rights groups and charities warning of the danger of the far right’s weaponisation of VAWG to fit their anti immigrant agenda:

https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/100-womens-rights-groups-warn-against-racist-weaponisation-of-vawg/

Maybe share that with your groups?   

It’s still safer in Europe, ask the 5,ooo US expats who renounced their citizenship last year, a rise of 63%, or the 6,000 who applied for UK dual citizen status, or ponder on the fact that the net migration figures for the US last year were minus 150,000.

I think the agenda of Elon and the like is a reaction to this.

I know, blame Elon Musk for all the disinfo!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2d83w1yvyo

How many of your own politicians smeared the girls as racist bigots? Shit, even the more famous feminists called the girls bigots.

I know, blame Elon Musk for all the disinfo!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2d83w1yvyo

How many of your own politicians smeared the girls as racist bigots? Shit, even the more famous feminists called the girls bigots.

Comprehensive reply.  Well done.  Yeah Musk is one of them.  Always amplifying the immigration angle, but never says a word about things like increasing misogynistic attitudes of young men growing up on diet of hardcore porn, incel chat groups and manosphere influencers.

Nothing to say about my question about black men in the US?  Nothing to say about the study you appeared to cite that doesn’t look into the religion of the offenders at all?  Nothing to say about the End Violence Against Women Coalition statement?

I thought you said you wanted to have this conversation?

Edit: Fucking autocorrect!

I don’t quite get what a story about some scally teen with an axe and a knife getting pushed over is supposed to prove, is it because the guy was a foreigner?

Scotland, so she was probably just practicing her Gimli bit:
“You have my sword”
“And my bow”
“Und moi axe!”

Perfectly normal for sweet innocent schoolgirls to carry an axe around with them.  Didn’t you read how she only pulled it out after being pushed?  Just a normal schoolgirl, normally armed with an axe.  I see nothing unusual here.

I wasn't "trying to prove" anything. It was in the news at the moment.  I don't know why she was carrying a knife and an axe, the article didn't go into it. Maybe she was just having a larp and didn't realize she'd be attacked by a creeper.

Okay Mr Unconvinced this was your question -

Here’s a question for you- If an African American man commits a horrible crime would you find it acceptable for people to start saying that the big problem is too many black people in the US, and you need to do something about that?  Or would you be shocked?  Would you find that a bit racist?

First of all, black Americans commit horrible crimes all the time (just like every other color people). Second, they are Americans. Third, people have said many racist things about black people, so no, I wouldn't be shocked if someone said we need to do something about it. You think I didn't want to answer your question, but I skipped it because it doesn't make sense. The vast majority of black Americans are from here, they were born here, their great great great grandparents were born here. When they commit horrible crimes they are arrested and incarcerated. I mean, right now there are black people so angry that Karmelo Anthony was found guilty that they are plotting to beat up random white people. In the US, more black people murder white people than the reverse even though they only make up about 14% of the population.

It makes perfect sense if you understand that we’ve had British Muslims living here for generations (and Sikh, Hindu, etc).  That many if not most of the perpetrators in the high profile cases were British.  And they do the time when they are caught and found guilty of crimes.

The real point though is about collective blame.  It’s become acceptable to brand all Muslims as a threat.  Something that I don’t think has hit the mainstream discourse about black people in America yet. 

Now we have the even more batshit Restore party.  For those who think Reform are a bit too woke.  That’s the one being actively promoted by Musk, btw.  They say you can only be considered British if you’re white and Christian.  FFS, I’m not even Christian and my ancestry is as boringly English as far back as we can find.

I don't understand why you think removing black Americans is going to become part of the mainstream discourse. When I was a kid it was already a racist thing some people said "go back to Africa" Which was stupid as the vast majority of them had never been to Africa. Just as I've never been to my ancestral homeland of Ireland/Scotland/France/England/Germany/Scandinavia/lol

Also, I would just like to say that my favorite show is The Repair Shop, and could one of you please contact them and tell them I need them to upload a couple more seasons to Youtube. They have the comments turned off on all their videos (yes I know about Jay Blades). Maybe I should send them a postcard.

Will they stop? No. It doesn't matter what you do.

See there is nothing, nothing anyone can do to prevent things like this happening, we just need to get used to it. It doesn't matter what anyone does things like this just cant be stopped.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/girl-17-stabbed-in-the-neck-in-street-attack/ar-AA25v5JL

Part and parcel of living in a big city, if you think the government can do anything to prevent things like this you're a racist.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ministers-to-ban-under-16s-from-social-media-livestreaming-disappearing-messages/

People on twitter are saying there will be a digital curfew for 16 and under, but I can't find an article about it. Apparently all the big social media sites will be banned at night, except for Bluesky. Even the article I linked is all "on condition of anonymity" so idk what is real.