What keeps us on the ground

Pressure doesn’t push things up in air or water.

So now just straight up to wilful rejection of reality?
Why wouldn't it?
And importantly note that it is not simply "pressure" but a pressure GRADIENT!
i.e. the pressure is higher the lower you go.
So if you consider an object in the fluid, the higher is greater below.

Are you truly going to try claiming that a high pressure wont try pushing into a lower pressure?
If so, please tell us how things like firearms and potato cannons work.

But that doesn’t work with your argument either.

You mean you blatantly lie to everyone yet again and spout more pathetic dishonest crap because your BS doesn't work and you can't show a single fault with gravity.

There are many things that nobody can ever explain.

And there is plenty that can be explained but you keep pretending can't be because the RE model explains it so well, yet your BS has no chance.

So why don't you stop with the pathetic deflections and deal with the points being discussed.
Why things fall, and the pressure gradient.
Things which are trivial to explain if you don't have a deep seeded need to reject reality, but which you can't explain at all.

it’s the only answer I have for these things

And that is a pathetic lie.
If that truly is the case, then the honest thing to do is say you have no answer, say you have no explanation at all.

Exactly like Von Braun said, that both science and religion should work together to understand the heavens, both have value and merit in this greatest of all ventures that they are preventing from doing for a grotesque and evil lie.

Or you can discard all the religious BS and try for honest understanding, even if that understanding contradicts your pathetic beliefs.

Again, the only one preventing things for a grotesque and evil lie are people like you.
People like you who choose to do whatever you can to oppose reality, to blatantly lie about others, and reject reality at all costs.

Pressure gradients were created like everything else was.

i.e. you have absolutely no explanation. Just "God did it".

Oceans have huge volumes of deep waters within them, as do some lakes.  All that water on top is a heavy mass on the lower waters of it, creating more and more pressure on the lowest water below the rest above it.

i.e. you fully accept gravity, a downwards force acting on the water pushing/pulling it down, with the lower layers of water needing to support the higher ones.

If it was just density, then the density could be the same and there would be no need for the water below to support the water above.

They do not push anything upward in these pressure gradients, they crush or mash them inward on themselves with that pressure.

Do you understand what a pressure gradient is?

Again, like in the other thread, here you are basically saying that if you have an object, with high pressure on one side and low pressure on the other, that pressure does nothing.
Do you even understand what pressure is?

Air has mass, water has mass, all objects have mass, and the ground has mass, and all have density, and your made up force is just a big joke.

How can your bs force pull down the air, but not all the air, a force that pulls all things down to earths surface, except the air, only some is pulled down, but not to the surface, just above the surface, but still pulls lots of air down and pushes it harder and harder down to the surface, just with air and water, everything else isn’t pressurized or compressed by your made up force, just air and water are, it always conflicts itself like this, as a bs story always stinks and fails in the end!

Why do only the oceans and seas, and some of our deeper lakes, have immense pressure at lower depths, but not shallower waters?

Because they have more water above them, which has more mass of water above the rest of the water below it!

And more water has more mass and with enough more water above the rest, the greater mass above comes downward on the water below it, and all that water now has even more mass coming down on the water below that, and so on..,

Your bs force should pull all the air down to the very surface of Earth, if any air was being pulled down, all the air would be pulled down by your hopeless force!

Forces don’t care what they hit or what their mass or density are before hitting things with their force of energy.

Forces are not proportional in strength to objects they hit, don’t measure their mass or density, then adjust in strength to the objects mass and or density, because it wants them to all have the one same result on all objects of various masses and densities, that’s the stupidest claim ever made, so goofy and idiotic that it’s even spoken about by anyone at all.

Your bs force should pull all the air down to the very surface of Earth, l

Like in reality the air molecules bunch up at the surface creating a pressure gradient where gas molecules in a sealed tank tend to equal distance to maintain the same pressure through the sealed container.  Gas molecules flow from high pressure to low pressure and equalize potential.  What is constraining the higher pressure and density of the lower atmosphere form equalising with the lower pressure and density of the upper atmosphere.  Especially if you think the earth is sealed under a dome. 

It is their greater mass and density from that volume of air and water from above that sinks downward to the lower air and water below it which creates this pressure at lower levels of air and water.

That’s why it doesn’t happen that way with lighter gas molecules, which go upward or opposite the other gas molecules, and equalize the pressure within a closed system like a tank.

The tank itself compresses the molecules of gas or air, equally in a closed area or system of containment.

Air has mass

And that means gravity is pulling it down as well.
So for an object to go down it has to push the air up, so it needs enough force from gravity to push the air up.

How can your bs force

You are the one with BS, not me.
I'll stick to reality, something you can't refute and just need to lie about.

pull down the air, but not all the air

It isn't magic.
It can't magically force the air to go to infinite pressure.

it always conflicts itself like this

Your strawmen certainly do.
But you are still to show any contradiction for gravity.

Because they have more water above them, which has more mass of water above the rest of the water below it!

Yes, so more mass needing to be supported by gravity.
Something that makes absolutely no sense in your "its all density" BS.
You have no explanation at all for why water, being the same density as the water below, should need to be supported by a pressure gradient.
But it makes perfect sense with gravity.

So are you now asking questions and providing the answer to show why your model is complete crap?

Your bs force should pull all the air down to the very surface of Earth

Why?
Because you say so?

Again, it isn't magic.
It can't just magically compress air to infinity.

Forces are not proportional in strength

Repeating the same pathetic crap wont help you.

It is their greater mass and density from that volume of air and water from above that sinks downward to the lower air and water below it which creates this pressure at lower levels of air and water.

Notice how you are just throwing out a bunch of words with no explanation at all?
What greater mass and density?
Stop using the 2 like they are interchangeable.

We know the density of water, and we know it is based upon the environment, not magic different water.
So when we have a water filled tube, the entire tube should be at the same density and the same pressure in your pathetic BS.
Because in your pathetic BS there is no force trying to force the top layer of water down into the lower layer. Instead it should just sit there, being happy at the right density.
That means no pressure gradient in your fantasy.

That’s why it doesn’t happen that way with lighter gas molecules

There you go contradicting reality again.
Air is known to have a pressure gradient, with the air pressure being lower the higher you go.

And gravity explains this.
Once more, the pressure gradient is based upon the density of the fluid, based upon the mass that each layer needs to hold up.

Forces have to be proven to exist, demonstrated to exist and behave in certain ways, be fully consistent in their behaviours and actions, and most of all, make perfect sense and are logical and can be explained in what they all do.

Your made up force can’t be proven to exist, demonstrated to exist, entirely inconsistent in its actions and behaviour, to conflict with itself in many ways, and it is completely nonsensical and illogical and could never act as you claim it does.

When all things of any mass all fall down through the air at the same speed and same acceleration in air to that one speed if high enough, telling me it’s at other speeds on regions of Earths air, you’ve no proof to be true, as usual, doesn’t explain anything of it as a magical super force.

All you do is see that all objects fall through air to the Earths surface at the very same speed, then just claim it’s your goofy force doing it that way.

No force can or could act that way, there is no force even capable of such magical feats as this.

Just because you must have a force to explain your ball Earth crap, doesn’t mean you’ll ever have a force, because it isn’t explained or possible by a force of any sort.

Relative density explains it perfectly, and everything else perfectly and fully consistent with all of it.

All forces do is emit energy outward, hit whatever is there, and the objects react differently to the forces, based on THEIR properties of mass and density and surface area and so on. The forces do nothing more than emit their energy at one level of strength at any given time, and that’s it!

There is one and only one explanation for why things all fall through air at the same speed, because as we already know, all of them are denser than air is, there mass doesn’t matter in a fall through air, they are all the same, all of more density than air, that is the threshold they all pass through to fall the same speed, because forces can’t do that either, and aren’t needed to explain this at all.

Things less dense than air will rise up in air, being passed the opposite threshold of air’s density.

Same for things denser than water sink down through it, passing its threshold, and less dense things rise up in water and float on it, again passing its opposite threshold.

You’ll hate the day you know you’ve been wasting lots of time arguing their bs story, I’m sure you won’t until you know it is complete bs

Forces have to be proven to exist, demonstrated to exist and behave in certain ways, be fully consistent in their behaviours and actions, and most of all, make perfect sense and are logical and can be explained in what they all do.

And gravity has been, beyond any sane doubt. And you are just resorting to blatantly lying about it repeatedly.
It has been proven to exists with countless experiments, including simple observations of things falling, and through more complex setups like the cavendish experiment.
Gravity behaves as forces do, being proportional to a property of the object, and following an inverse square law like a monopole force should.
It is entirely consistent with you yet to demonstrate a single inconsistency and instead resorting to pathetic lies.
It makes sense for anyone who is homeset and examines it honestly rather than with your pathetic dishonest BS.

Stop just spouting the same pathetic BS and actually show a problem.

When all things of any mass all fall down through the air at the same speed and same acceleration in air

This demonstrates that there is a downwards force proportional to mass.

No force can or could act that way, there is no force even capable of such magical feats as this.

You keep spouting this pathetic BS, yet you can't justify it at all.

Again, if there was no force, the object wouldn't be accelerating.
So there clearly is a force, the only question is what and how this force behaves.

Relative density explains

absolutely nothing.
It doesn't explain why it should move at all.
It doesn't explain the directionality.
It doesn't explain the rate.
It doesn't explain why the rate varies over Earth.
It doesn't explain the pressure gradient.
It doesn't explain why the pressure gradient isn't pushing everything up.
It explains NOTHING!

It is only with gravity that relative density can explain anything.

All forces do is emit energy outward, hit whatever is there, and the objects react differently to the forces, based on THEIR properties of mass and density and surface area and so on.

Yes, just like wind applies a force based upon the area, and electrostatics apply a force based upon the charge, gravity applies a force based upon the mass.

There is one and only one explanation for why things all fall through air at the same speed

And that is a downwards force proportional to mass, i.e. gravity.

Simply being denser is clearly not enough as that provides no reason to fall.

all of more density than air, that is the threshold they all pass through to fall the same speed

Except it clearly isn't.
Instead, it is significantly greater such that the upwards buoyant force is negligible so there is no easily detectable change in rate.
When that is no longer the case, we see they don't fall at the same rate.

You’ll hate the day you know you’ve been wasting lots of time arguing their bs story, I’m sure you won’t until you know it is complete bs

You mean I have been arguing against your BS story, with me providing reality, with you unable to show a fault and instead just repeating the same pathetic refuted BS across several threads.

No forces act like that, it’s ridiculous and absurd,

Forces simply emit energy outward from their sources, at one level of strength at any given time,

That energy goes outward as one level of strength to a distance, and then loses strength and then dies out, that is all they ever do or can do.

There’s no force that emits energy at one strength, then controls and adjusts its one strength to all objects it hits, it never changes at all until losing strength over distance, not any other change is done by forces.

Wind emits over an area of air and the land below it, in one level of strength over a span of distance, a swath of a force.

The larger surfaces within its span of wind are hit by more of that span of force, objects are the variable which gets hit by more or less on the one strength of force over a larger span.

Wind is not proportional in its strength, no force is. Forces aren’t intelligent or have sensors to detect properties of objects it will soon hit, measure its density or mass or both, they’re simply energy emitted outward to everywhere in its reach, has nothing else to do with what it hits, no magical sensing abilities of objects and their mass or density or surface area, does not adjust its one level of strength into millions of different levels of strength each going to objects of different mass and density, making the strength needed for each object proprtional to their mass or densitu, all of which makes the force act on them all equally!

That’s completely idiotic

No forces act like that, it’s ridiculous and absurd

Except things like magnetism, electrostatics, wind, and so on.

Unless you are going to deal with a contact force, like someone pushing something, that is how it works.

It is proportional to some property of the object.

Forces simply emit energy outward from their sources, at one level of strength at any given time

I know you love spouting this pathetic crap, but that isn't how it works at all.
They are not emitting energy outwards.
That isn't how any force works.

There’s no force that emits energy at one strength, then controls and adjusts its one strength to all objects it hits, it never changes at all until losing strength over distance, not any other change is done by forces.

And that doesn't describe how gravity works at all.
It is just your pathetic strawman.

Wind emits over an area of air and the land below it, in one level of strength over a span of distance, a swath of a force.
The larger surfaces within its span of wind are hit by more of that span of force

Just like gravity, but using mass instead of area.
It is the same principle.

Wind is not proportional in its strength

Except you just admitted it was.
You just refuse to use those words because it shows you to be the absolutely pathetic lying POS you are.

And yet again, you just entirely jump between different piles of BS to keep repeating the same pathetic BS in circles.

Wind is a force over a span of area, it has nothing to do with surface areas it hits more or less of its wind, nor does wind adjust its strength at all to things it hits or not hits or partly hits in its path.

Wind doesn’t adjust its strength to each surface area of objects and make them all fly back 10.56 meters either, just your bs force can perform that miracle feat!

By your argument, wind should hit a large surface area with less strength than a small surface area and make them both fly back 10.675 meters or whatever!!

In fact, when all objects of different mass and density all fall through air at the same speed, it proves there is NO external force causing it!

Forces don’t ever make such things happen in the real world. Only in a fairy tale world can that happen, not our world though. It’s loony land stuff you wish were possible in reality, but get serious here

In fact, when all objects of different mass and density all fall through air at the same speed, it proves there is NO external force causing it!

Actually, objects with the same mass but different densities generally do fall at different rates.  That is unless you think that a one pound ball of steel and a one pound ball of styrofoam will fall at the same rate.

Wind is a force over a span of area

And gravity is a force over a "span of mass".

Again, it works the same. It is just proportional to a different property of the object.

For wind, that same "field" hits every square cm of the object with the same force.
For gravity, that same filed hits every g of the object with the same force.

With wind, that results in a force proportional to area.
With gravity, that results in a force proportional to mass.

Repeatedly ignoring this and instead pretending gravity should be magic and magically apply the same force to every object, and cutting an object in 2 should result in gravity magically doubling the force, just shows everyone how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.

By your argument, wind should hit a large surface area with less strength than a small surface area and make them both fly back 10.675 meters or whatever!!

No, that is by YOUR pathetic BS.

By reality, you have some property of the object, lets call it P, and then a force of some form which acts on that property with a constant of proportionality k.
This means the force is given by F=k*P.
This results in an acceleration of the object, based upon a=F/m.
i.e. a=k*P/m.

For wind, P is area, so you have a=k*A/m  (technically more complicated than that, buts lets keep it simple).
For electrostatics, that is charge, so you have a=k*q/m
For gravity, it is mass, so you have a=k*m/m=k.

In fact, when all objects of different mass and density all fall through air at the same speed, it proves there is NO external force causing it!

Wrong again.
When on object accelerates, it proves there is a force acting.
If the rate of acceleration is the same, it proves the force is proportional to mass.

And this is seen elsewhere. For example, in a mass spectrometer, where the force is proportional to charge. All objects with the same mass to charge ratio are accelerated the same.
That is why mass spectra are reported with the x axis being m/z rather than m.

So yes, forces do make such things happen in the real world.
But because your delusional fantasy doesn't work with such forces, and you are desperate to pretend your fairy tale world is reality, you lie about what happens in reality.

It just shows how utterly pathetic you are.

Again, observations from reality, and there countless examples of this, show there is a downwards force acting on all objects which is proportional to mass.
This even applies to applies to objects like helium filled balloons which rise in air due to the force of the pressure gradient (with that gradient also being evidence of this force proportional to mass).
The questions from that point are what is this force and why is it proportional to mass?

Wind is a force over a span of distance, emitted outward at one level of strength at any given moment.

That’s it. The wind hits whatever is there to be hit by it, over its span. And like all other actual forces, which emit energy outward in various ways and spans of distance, it ends there. What happens afterwards has nothing to do with the forces, they are not proportional forces, they are one strength of energy emitted outward, in various ways and spans of area, points to miles in spans.

If you stretch out your arms in a strong wind, you’re hit by a larger span of the wind, more of its one span of force.

That’s not a proportional force, it’s one and only one strength of force, it doesn’t change at all, YOU are the one changing how much of that one force hits you at one time, along its span at one time, by changing your surface area larger than before!

In every case, forces emit out energy at a certain level of strength, over a large span of area, or in a small line, a small em wave, etc…

Forces emit energy outward, in one level of strength, they don’t adjust their strength at all, objects are proportional to THE ONE LEVEL OF ENERGY OR STRENGTH OF FORCE WHICH HITS THEM.

The forces have nothing to do with how much of its one level of energy or strength hits objects, it’s not varying it’s strength at all, the objects very in how much of its one strength hits them!

Actual forces simply emit some sort of energy out from their sources of origin, at one level of strength, at any given moment, PERIOD.

I’m very aware that you need a made up force that calculates the mass and density of every object in the air, instantly, after emitting one level of energy outward over the ball Earth, and above the ball into air, up to a certain, but never mentioned altitude above the Earth ball…..

That would be in a wave pattern, or some form of energy emitted outward by your made up force, and it’s source is within the ball Earths core, apparently.

What happens next, is just a joke.

You’re claiming wind is a proportional force, it adjusts its level of strength to an objects surface area, which is yet again more nonsense.

The wind isn’t adjusting its strength, the objects are variable to the amount of wind or amount of its one force of energy which hits the object, the force isn’t using different levels of strength at all.

Same way as a current in a river is a span of force over a distance along a river, under or atop it, etc. 

All actual forces emit energy outward over a span, a length of distance or area, waves are emitted outward by some forces and are also a span of energy emitted by those forces.

That’s always the case, all forces emit energy outward in a span of some length, small to large in length.

These spans of energy emitted outward by forces, don’t adjust or vary in strength, ever.

Objects are the variable and proportional to the force, it’s one level of strength hitting it, how much of the span of a force is hit by it, all of the span or part of the span, and that doesn’t make any force proportional, in the way you mean it.

You mean it is VARIABLE IN ITS LEVEL OF STRENGTH, that it emits energy outward at one level of strength, and then varies its strength to millions of different levels of strength to some property or properties of all objects it hits, such as their mass or density or surface area, but you’re very wrong about that claim.

I’ve already explained that wind doesn’t vary or adjust its strength, more or less of the force hits an object of more surface area to BE hit by that force of wind.

The whole span of a force is what is emitted outward at one time, as a single level of strength or energy.

The problem is that you’re not accounting for the entire force of a wind, it’s not a part of a force, it’s the entire span of it, so you can’t argue it’s a proportional force as part of its span hits an object.

Wind is a force over a span of distance

Area, not distance.
And again, just like gravity is for mass.

This is a proportional force, just like all of them.
Lying about it just shows how utterly pathetic you are.

In every case, forces emit out energy

Again, not how it works.
Repeating the same pathetic BS just makes you desperate.

they don’t adjust their strength at all

Again, the only one suggesting that is you, where you want to claim gravity magically changes.

I’m very aware that you need a made up force that calculates the mass and density of every object in the air

No, that is YOUR made up force, not mine.
It is a strawman you made up because you can't refute reality.

You’re claiming wind is a proportional force

Because it is.
Because it doesn't just magically produce the same force on every object. Instead, it is proportional to the area of the object.

it adjusts its level of strength

No, the "strength" is the same, the force is different.
And you can't refute it at all.

Again, you are just playing semantic games.
Replace area with mass and you have gravity.

Same way as a current in a river is a span of force over a distance along a river, under or atop it, etc.

And gravity can be seen as a span of force over a mass.

Objects are the variable and proportional to the force, it’s one level of strength hitting it, how much of the span of a force is hit by it, all of the span or part of the span, and that doesn’t make any force proportional, in the way you mean it.

And importantly, some property of the object.
For wind, it is area.
For electrostatics its charge.
For magnetism it is more complex.
For gravity it is mass.

Again, if your simple BS was true, a magnet would attract everything.
It would attract iron, paper, water, clothes, aluminium and so on.
But in reality, we see it only attracts some things.
Because the force is proportional to a property of the object.

Again, lying about it just shows your desperation.

If you want to say forces are magic like you claim, hitting all objects with the same force, why can a magnet lift a piece of iron, but not a much lighter piece of aluminium of the same shape and size?

Forces emit energy outward, in one level of strength, they don’t adjust their strength at all,

Nothing to do, so I'll try to clarify a point. Just one, so there will be some chance that turbonium will have the patience to read me thoroughly.

If I press a book against a wall, the book does NOT go through the wall, no matter how great my force. Because the wall DOES adjust the level of strength with which it reacts to mine.

But let's forget about this and suppose that gravity IS indeed the only kind of force which adjusts its level of strength.

Why this? Why do all objects fall at the same rate (in vacuum, in a certain location)?

This is a FULLY LEGITIMATE question, and physicists have posed it for centuries.

They did careful experiments to see whether this was true for substances with a different protons/neutrons ratio.

(then came Einstein who gave a nice answer, with GR, but let's forget about this for now)

But

(please read carefully, this is the main point)

we have a FACT: things fall at the same rate.

If we do NOT know WHY this happens, this does NOT make the fact go away.

People often think that science is about finding causes, and if it cannot do it, then it's a failure.

But physics, especially fundamental physics, is NOT about causes. It's about finding RULES.
The rules according to which things happen.

Newton's Law is such a rule. Once thought to be exact, now only approximate (a very good approximation though, except around black holes or such stuff)
It helps us to describe how the “rate of falling” varies slightly, on Earth, with latitude and altitude. And how it varies greatly from near Earth to Moon's distance to near Jupiter. And many other things.

turbonium is totally free to propose another set of rules, but they have to predict/describe the same range of phenomena (and possibly some more)

For now, his “density rule” can predict that denser bodies go down in a less dense medium, and less dense bodies go up. Really not much.

And HOW can we know that a body is denser or less dense? Why, from its going DOWN or UP!

That is, “things go the way they go because that's the way they have to go”!

Very zen, but hardly useful.

What we need is a set of rules according to which, if we put on a plate of a scale a cubic inch of lead and on the other plate a bottle with half a liter of water, the lead (denser) goes UP, and the water (less dense) DOWN. But if we make the arm of the 1st plate 4 times long as the 2nd, then it's the lead to go down!

We NEED such rules, to build cranes, bridges etc.

Can turbonium give such a rule, based only on density? No need to take the trouble, I can do it for him.

Rule (“density rule”): on every object near Earth's surface acts a downward force given by:

F = g*V(D – DM)    (of course, if D < DM, F is < 0, that is, directed upwards)

where V is the volume of the object, D its density, DM the density of the surrounding medium (for vacuum, DM = 0), g a number whose average value is 9.81 and which, mysteriously, varies a little with latitude and altitude, and greatly in space. Unlike with Newton's Law, we have here no means to predict its variations.

And if we want the downward acceleration (the “rate of falling”) we must divide by V*D and get (in vacuum, with DM = 0) just g

And we have this mysterious, magical phenomenon. Given a certain quantity of matter, if we vary its density (e.g. water freezing or ice melting) the “rate of falling” stays the same. Objects of different D, or V, or both, all have the same “rate of falling” (in vacuum, in a certain location).

Conclusion: as to equality of the “rate of falling” Newton's Law or this “density rule” are equally mysterious. With Newton's Law having the advantage of predicting the variations of g.

Or maybe I haven't been smart enough in formulating this “density rule”?

Because magnets pull in magnetic objects and not objects without magnetic properties or pulls those lesser which have lesser magnetic properties, and magnets do not adjust its strength to the less or more magnetic properties of every object and pulls them all in at the same rate, only your bs force can perform that miraculous stunt!

But inexplicably, your bs force only adjusts its strength to all objects mass and density when pulling them down to the surface, but releases its variable strength used on each object after they’re on the surface, and no longer adjusts its strength to their mass anymore. Why not say it’s all bs because it all is bs from the start? You’d be telling the truth for the first time if you did!

Because magnets pull in magnetic objects and not objects without magnetic properties or pulls those lesser which have lesser magnetic properties

i.e. there is some property of the object which impacts the force imparted by a magnet.
i.e. magnetism doesn't follow your pathetic BS idea about how forces should work.

Gravity is similar, acting on mass rather than magnetic susceptibility/magnet moment and so on, and is not complicated by being a dipole.

If your pathetic BS was true, the only way to adjust the force from a magnet is by having a different magnet which emits a different strength, or having a larger or smaller object.
It shouldn't matter what properties the object has, such as if it is magnetic or not.
Because that is the pathetic hole you have dug for yourself.

Going to stop with all the pathetic BS now?

Every force acts differently on properties of objects, lightning hits metal poles because it’s a magnetically charged force like a magnet is, that’s how forces all act, they don’t vary in strength though, they cannot adjust in strength at all, they emit outward as energy and that’s it. What happens after that doesn’t involve the force at all, it’s expelled its energy outward. That’s where it ends, who knows what happens next isn’t relevant or acted on further by the force.

They’re one and done things, get the idea now?

You can try to excuse this and that forever, but there’s nothing to excuse your claim that this bs force would make all objects as if all have one same mass and density, adjusting its strength a million levels to each objects mass and density variances, to then make all objects act the same way to this force, which is the stupidest claim ever made by far, it’s completely nuts, beyond compare

Every force acts differently on properties of objects

And with that you have effectively admitted that you are a lying POS.

You can try to excuse this and that forever

I'm not the one trying to excuse anything.
YOU are the one doing whatever you can to pretend reality doesn't work.

Again, please tell me why if I get a nice strong magnet, different materials of the same size and shape are affected differently, and a why a similar principle can't also apply for gravity.

Why don't you try claiming that magnets are magically adjusting their strength to each object?

Why do you happily accept that there is some property of the object that determines the resulting force on an object in a magnetic field?
Yet you then entirely reject that idea for gravity.

You can try this pathetic BS forever, but all it does is demonstrate you are a pathetic, dishonest, lying, subhuman POS with no concern for the truth, no concern for reality, and no integrity at all.

Again, several different objects, all of the same shape and size, but of different magnetic properties and different masses.
Why should gravity apply the same force to all, but magnetism doesn't?
There is no way out for you.
You have to either demand magnetism applies the same force to all, or accept that the resulting force is dependent upon a property of the object in question other than its shape and size, which can allow both gravity and magnetism to apply a different force to each object.

So again, going to stop with the pathetic BS now?

...lightning hits metal poles because it’s a magnetically charged force like a magnet is...

If that were true (it isn't) then why does lightning strike trees and (rarely) people?

Again, please tell me why if I get a nice strong magnet, different materials of the same size and shape are affected differently, and a why a similar principle can't also apply for gravity.

You’ve answered your own question and have no clue you did, so let me point it out to you…

You asked if objects can react differently to magnets, then why can’t your made up force?

Because your made up force magically makes all objects react THE VERY SAME AS EVERY OTHER OBJECT DOES!!


Which is completely ridiculous and impossible by any actual force to do…

It’s insane, in fact. Why would any force ever do all that? There’s no logic or reasoning behind your crazy story.

Again you’re trying to hide from your own claims because you cannot answer for them in any way.

Look very closely at your claims about your fairy tale force..

Don’t hide from what you’ve claimed of your force, let’s go over what magical feats you claim is will do..,

You’re claiming there is a force within Earth and in all things, but mainly you refer to Earth having this force. 

A force that goes far beyond all other forces, that acts completely differently from all other forces, despite your endless excuses and worthless claims it does act like all actual forces.

What makes you ever believe that any of our actual forces perform such magic that wouldn’t even make any sense to do in the first place?


The dumbest claim you’ve ever made, or you believe is true because they tell us it’s true…

Forces do not, will not, cannot, adjust their strength to a property of objects, they are only one level of strength emitted outward at any given time, and never change in strength or in proportion to objects in one of their properties.

Magnets don’t adjust in strength to the amount of magnetic properties an object has, balancing its strength of pull as the same for all objects with different levels of magnetic properties.

A wind does not hit two objects of larger and smaller surface areas by adjusting its strength to each object, and blows each of them back by 10.654 meters.

The one most important thing we all know about forces is that the objects they hit, REACT COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY TO THE FORCE!

The very thing you claim that YOUR bs force does, is the very thing we all know that NO force ever does, or ever could do, or what reason to ever do it!!

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Again, please tell me why if I get a nice strong magnet, different materials of the same size and shape are affected differently, and a why a similar principle can't also apply for gravity.

You’ve answered your own question and have no clue you did, so let me point it out to you…

So you are saying I clearly explained why you are lying to everyone?

You asked if objects can react differently to magnets, then why can’t your made up force?

No, not my made up force. The very real force which has been shown to exist with countless examples of evidence.
The real force you resort to repeatedly lying about.

Because your made up force magically makes all objects react THE VERY SAME AS EVERY OTHER OBJECT DOES!!

No, it doesn't.
That is your pathetic strawman.
So I'll skip the rest of your pathetic BS and ask again:
Again, please tell me why if I get a nice strong magnet, different materials of the same size and shape are affected differently, and a why a similar principle can't also apply for gravity.

If you want to pretend gravity should magically produce the same force on every object, explain why the same shouldn't happen for magnetism.

What does it matter if magnets or winds acted as a proportional force on objects, as you’re claiming they are, while I’m claiming they aren’t, the biggest problem you cannot answer for, which cannot exist in any actual
force, not wind or magnetic forces or any other force can do, which none do, because it’s nonsense and laughably stupid to claim such a thing as this…

Your not really claiming your made up force is proportional, in its level of strength to objects mass, by making them
all react the same way to that made up force, while your claiming that other forces like wind and magnetic forces are also proportional forces like yours is, because they don’t make all objects act or react the same way to wind or magnetic forces, right?

What does it matter if magnets or winds acted as a proportional force on objects, as you’re claiming they are, while I’m claiming they aren’t

Again, skip your pathetic, semantic BS.
What matters here is if a force must exert the exact same force on every object, or if it is able to exert a different force on different objects, based upon the properties of that object.

i.e. can forces like gravity, wind and magnetism, have 2 different objects exposed to the same strength source, yet the objects get a different force on them?

This is crucial, because it relates directly to your repeatedly lie that gravity should exert the same force on every object, and your extension of that lie where you claim that means you should be able to lift any object like any other.

So deal with this issue before deflecting to other pathetic BS.

No, the crucial part is that only your made up force makes all objects react the very same way to this bs force, that is how you claim forces are proportional forces, they vary their strength to the amount they each have of some property and the force adjusts in strength needed to apply to them, to equal proportion at a single value of strength to their individual amount of some  property, that is exactly what your claiming other forces do like gravity does,

Your claiming your made up force adjusts the level of its strength in proportion to each objects mass, so how could it act in a proportion to their mass, unless in equal proportion to react the same way to the force?

An equalizing of all objects of different masses, to one same proportional reaction to the force, by adjusting its strength applied to the various masses, that is what your claiming here

Forces emit one level of strength outward, the objects react to that force differently than other objects do. Some don’t react to it at all, others react a lot, there are countless different ways each object may react to it.

We all know and see that is the case. Every object reacts differently in a wind, objects of great surface area like buildings don’t react to the wind while sheets of paper with small surface area do, the same force you claimed used more strength on objects with larger surface area, aren’t reacting at all to the greater strength you say hits them, because of their greater mass, and papers little mass

How long are you going to hide from answering for your magical force making all objects react the very same, because no force ever does that

In fact, that all objects fall through air at the same speed proves that it is not caused by a force pulling them to the surface, no force makes all objects react to it the very same way. That is why there’s no force acting on them at all here. Objects always react differently to forces, they never all react the very same way

Forces emit one level of strength outward...

Is the strength of that force constant over distance, or does the strength diminish with distance?