What keeps us on the ground

No, the crucial part is that only your made up force makes all objects react the very same way to this bs force

No, it isn't.
That is your pathetic lie, you wish to pretend is crucial, so you can attack that strawman, rather than having to deal with reality that shows you to be a lying POS.


Again, stop with the pathetic BS and admit that forces of the same "strength" can result in a different force on the object, at least for forces like wind, gravity and magneism.
Once you have done that you can explore the actual logical consequences of it, and show it doesn't match your pathetic strawman.

Forces emit one level of strength outward, the objects react to that force differently than other objects do.

i.e. the resulting force on the object is different.
Unlike your pathetic lie where gravity must cause the same force on every object.
Again, going to admit it yet?

How long are you going to hide

I'm not the one hiding. I'm the one taking you step by step through it. You are still stuck on step 1. Still unable to move past it. Still unable to admit such a simple fact.
As if you know once you have admitted it, all your BS will come falling down.

In fact, that all objects fall

Clearly demonstrates that there is a downwards force acting on them.
Otherwise they wouldn't be accelerating downwards.
This is even further supported by the pressure gradient pushing things upwards, so you need a downwards force to counter it.

Again, no force=no acceleration.

Other this claimed example, do you have a single case of an object accelerating without a force being applied? NO!
Because it requires a force to be applied to cause an object to accelerate.
But you want to ignore that, and appeal to pure magic to pretend gravity is wrong, because gravity destroys your pathetic fantasy.

at the same speed

More that they accelerate at the same rate, assuming negligible impact from the pressure gradient and air resistance.
And that proves this downwards force is proportional to mass.

Now again, going to stop with all the pathetic BS and admit that forces like the wind, gravity and magnetism can result in a different resulting force on different objects?
If not, going to explain why only wind and magnetism do but gravity can't? Why gravity shouldn't be behaving like these other forces?

There clearly is a force involved here, created by the objects greater mass and density found to be within air, a less dense medium where the object was thrown up into by an external force.

Why would you believe that every force must be external in origin, that no objects themselves when placed in another medium or environment they don’t originate within, could create a force from propulsion by their greater density than the medium put up within.

You’re the one changing the objects medium, putting the more dense object within the less dense medium, right?

What do you expect the denser object would do when put up into the less dense medium by you?

Why would you need to have another force within the surface to PULL THEM DOWN FROM THE AIR?

You believe that the air would hold them up there in the air, when they’re much denser and heavier than air is?

After you put them up into air, what would you expect them to do? Stay there and float around in air forever?

There clearly is a force involved here

And that force is called gravity.

What do you expect the denser object would do when put up into the less dense medium by you?

Without a force acting on them, nothing.
Just like if I slide it to the right, it sits there and doesn't slide back to the left.

I certainly wouldn't expect breaking something off from the side of a cliff, moving it to the right, would magically cause it to go down.
That makes no sense at all.

You believe that the air would hold them up

No, without a force trying to move them down, there is nothing to hold up.

Stay there and float around in air forever?

Without a force acting on them, YES!
That is the very point you seem to flee from.
No force = no acceleration.

Why would these much denser objects put up within a much less dense medium have to be pulled down from air, their density itself makes them fall down through the air, no force needs to pull them down from air.

Air is above us, up in its direction from us below the air.

The direction of air is upward from the ground and us on the ground.

We have to go upward to be in air, no other direction but upward. Not downward or sideways over the surface.

Why in that one direction, is because it is the only direction to go into air.

Do you get it yet?

Why would these much denser objects put up within a much less dense medium have to be pulled down from air

Again, no force=no acceleration.
We see this all the time, the only exception that you are trying to alleged is objects falling.
So why should this particular situation be so unlike all others?
Why should objects magically accelerate for no reason at all?
Why should these same objects magically compress springs in things like a scale for no reason at all?
Why are they defying the pressure gradient for no reason at all?

And stop repeating the same pathetic "put up".
Because they aren't simply put up, and your origin garbage is clearly pure garbage.

Do you get it yet?

Yes, you are a pathetic, lying POS, repeating the same pathetic BS, and going around in circles because you know you cannot defend your BS, and spamming the same pathetic BS in multiple threads, all because you know your BS doesn't work but you need to pretend it does.

Do you get it yet? I'm not a moron that I wont just accept your pathetic BS you keep asserting and ignoring all the problems with it.

I recognise that "origin" does not give you a directionality, because you can push things to the right, and yet they don't fall back to the left.
You can lift things up from a sloped surface, going directly away from that surface, but they fall DOWN.
You can break things off from the side of a cliff, going horizontally, and they still fall down, now parallel to that surface.
You can break things off from an overhang, and it falls down going directly away from that surface.

So origin clearly doesn't explain it.

Density provides no reason at all for objects to go in any particular direction.
The simplest reason why is it is not a force and doesn't provide any reason for the object to accelerate at all.

Again, you need a downwards force.

There’s no reason for this 65 ton Abrams tank we parachuted from a plane into air, to not float or hover in the air, without a parachute attached to it.

There’s no reason at all to think the tank wouldn’t remain in the air by itself, just because it’s a million times denser and heavier than the air, that’s no reason for it to fall down through the thin air to the surface!!!

I guess in your fairy tale world, there’s no difference between a 65 ton tank than to the air! Mass and density are nothing or all the same, right?

Everything changes when your great pile of crap force comes into play! The force of everything but logic and reason and consistency.

The great bs force that you fear to ever explain its magical sensing and calculating in ratio of mass to strength applied by it to each object…,

This most incredible explanation ever made for nothing but a cartoon force, is supposed to be the ‘logical explanation’! Maybe in bizarro world it is, but it’s a:$$ in the real world!

There’s no reason for this 65 ton Abrams tank we parachuted from a plane into air, to not float or hover in the air, without a parachute attached to it.

There’s no reason at all to think the tank wouldn’t remain in the air by itself, just because it’s a million times denser and heavier than the air, that’s no reason for it to fall down through the thin air to the surface!!!

I guess in your fairy tale world, there’s no difference between a 65 ton tank than to the air! Mass and density are nothing or all the same, right?

Everything changes when your great pile of crap force comes into play! The force of everything but logic and reason and consistency.

The great bs force that you fear to ever explain its magical sensing and calculating in ratio of mass to strength applied by it to each object…,

This most incredible explanation ever made for nothing but a cartoon force, is supposed to be the ‘logical explanation’! Maybe in bizarro world it is, but it’s a:$$ in the real world!

So, what's your genius explanation for why when you throw a tennis ball up in the air, the tennis ball comes back down to Earth?

Fucking hell, you are thicker than two planks of wood, aren't ya?

There’s no reason for this 65 ton Abrams tank we parachuted from a plane into air, to not float or hover in the air, without a parachute attached to it.

Again, you are doing it the wrong way around.

If I place a ball on a table, with no forces acting on it, I expect it to remain there.
I don't expect it to just magically accelerate for no reason.

So in the absence of a force, if I place something in mid air, I expect it to stay there.

The only reason I don't in reality is because I know there is a force, GRAVITY!

But without gravity there is no reason for it to go in any direction or move at all (because that would also remove the pressure gradient).

Again, every time we see anything accelerate, it can be tracked back to a force.
The only exception you are trying to allege is things magically falling for no reason at all.
Why should they?
Why shouldn't that require a force as well?

it’s a million times denser and heavier than the air

You have no reason for why being denser should make it move in any direction.
It is also pure BS from you. Even the densest substance known to man (FEers) are only roughly 20 000 times as dense as air.

The great bs force that you fear to ever explain its magical sensing and calculating in ratio of mass to strength applied by it to each object…,

You mean your magic magnetism and magic air?

What keeps us on the ground?

As opposed to being above the ground?

Mass and density keep us on the ground, air above us has less mass and density than we do, the surface below us has more mass and density than we do.

That is the answer to your question.

So yet again, you have had your pathetic BS completely and utterly destroyed, so you resort to pretending the entire conversation has never happened and starting again.

Mass and density keep us on the ground, air above us has less mass and density than we do, the surface below us has more mass and density than we do.

That is the answer to your question.

No, that isn't an answer.
That provides no explanation at all
How would mass and density magically keep us on the ground?
Why would having more mass than the air and less mass than the surface below do that?
More importantly, how does this allow a steel cube to sit on a wooden table, even though the cube is more dense than the table?

Mass and density keep us on the ground, air above us has less mass and density than we do, the surface below us has more mass and density than we do.

Why do the gasses in the air not settle into their respective density layers?

Why would having more mass and density than air, but less than the ground, keep us on the ground?

Why wouldn’t it?

A helium filled balloon rises up in air because it has mass than air, right?

What makes us stay on the ground but not the balloon stay on ground?  Being more or less dense than the air, of course.

No external force acts on the balloon to make it rise up into air!

You make up two forces because one doesn’t explain how objects can defeat this force, so you make up another force to cover for the first crap

The Earth was entirely designed for us, living on Earth’s flat surface, with air above the surface, with the surface below us to walk upon.

The design is based on humans living and sustaining life and creating more of the same life.

Why does our mass and density puzzle you about its purpose on Earth?

Your somehow assuming that everything on Earth, despite having more mass and density than air, and less than the surface, must have been floating around aimlessly in ‘space’, before this great force within Earth pulled them down to the surface!!

Because you believe there must be a force within Earth to provide directionality to things on and above Earth, for some reason!

No, the fact is that you NEED to make things up like forces that don’t exist but you have no choice but say they exist, your ball Earth must have those forces to hold up as a story. Not that it does, but it’s all you’ve got.

Why would having more mass and density than air, but less than the ground, keep us on the ground?

Again, in the absence of a force, it wouldn't.

A helium filled balloon rises up in air

Because of the pressure gradient of the atmosphere pushing it up, with a force greater than the downwards force due to gravity acting directly on the balloon.

This has been explained to you countless times.
Stop playing dumb.
Stop lying about it.

We know the pressure gradient is there. It is a quite well established fact and you can measure it.
Pretending it just magically doesn't do anything is just desperation on your part.

The Earth was entirely designed for us

Then go throw yourself into a volcano and show how well it is designed for us.
Or live in the middle of the pacific ocean, no tools allowed.

Because you believe there must be a force within Earth to provide directionality to things on and above Earth, for some reason!

Not "for some reason", but because all the evidence shows that in order to accelerate, you need a force.
There is even a pressure gradient, which would provide a force, that needs to be overcome.

And yes, there needs to be a reason for the directionality, otherwise it could fly off in any direction.

But just look at what you are doing here. You can't explain anything, so you just act like you shouldn't have to and the world should just be pure magic.

No, the fact is that you NEED to make things up like forces that don’t exist but you have no choice but say they exist, your ball Earth must have those forces to hold up as a story. Not that it does, but it’s all you’ve got.

Again, this is pure BS.
Your delusional BS works BETTER on a sphere than a flat surface.
So no, if your complete and utter BS actually worked, it would be fine to use on a RE, and no gravity would need to be "made up".

Instead, gravity is accepted, because it actually explains what happens. Unlike your pathetic BS which explains nothing.

A helium filled balloon rises up in air because it has mass than air, right?

Nitrogen is less dense than oxygen.  Why does the oxygen not settle into a layer below a layer of nitrogen?

Nitrogen is nearly the same density as air and mixes into air when put within air, so nice try

Without a force acting on them, nothing.
Just like if I slide it to the right, it sits there and doesn't slide back to the left.

Yes, why not compare two entirely different things, that’s brilliant!

Sliding an object that is on the ground to the left or right, is still on the ground.  The same environment and same masses in place, just sliding it along the ground doesn’t change anything and shouldn’t change anything.

We don’t expect to move a rock five feet to the left on ground, and it rolls itself 5 feet back again, right?


But when a rock is first on the ground, and thrown up into air, where it does not originate or exist at all, your throwing it into air changed the conditions for the rock, you had to use force to throw it up into the less dense air, first of all. Density was again the main factor you needed to use force on throwing a denser rock into less dense air.

You know the rock flew up in air because it’s more dense than the air too.

After knowing the rock flies through air because it’s denser than air, what would you expect to happen after the more dense rock is now up within the less dense air?

The more dense rock will fall down through the less dense air, same as before flying upward through the air, but when already in air, being more dense than the air, it’s greater density makes it fall down through the air once again, and it does not need you to throw it down from air, or a made up force to PULL it down from the less dense air.

Air does not support a rock within air, it cannot support it within the air, and if you believe it should, in any way at all, I’d love to hear all about it, it’d be hilarious!

Yes, why not compare two entirely different things, that’s brilliant!

No, why not compare two entirely comparable things.
Moving something with a force, and seeing that it doesn't magically move back.

But when a rock is first on the ground, and thrown up into air

No.
When a rock is in the air, it has a force of gravity acting on it and not the normal reaction force.

you had to use force to throw it up into the less dense air

You have had this pathetic BS refuted countless times. Why keep repeating the same lie?

Air does not support a rock within air

What is there to support?

You’re entirely clueless as always.

The rock you slide on ground should not and cannot move back to where it was, there’s no reason it ever would or should do that.

You think that’s what our places of origin are? A single point on the actual place of origin? A place, a specific environment,…,not one point, moron.

Playing dumb as usual, that’s all you ever do when you have no valid argument.

You’re entirely clueless as always.

Why? Because I can so easily call you out on your pathetic BS?
That doesn't make me clueless.
If I was a clueless moron I might be conned by your pathetic BS, but I'm not.

The rock you slide on ground should not and cannot move back to where it was, there’s no reason it ever would or should do that.

Because there is no force accelerating it in that direction.
Just like in the absence of gravity, if you slide a rock up a cliff, there is no reason for it to go back down.
Gravity is that reason.

You have no alternative, just a pathetic, baseless assertion which requires ignoring so much of the world.

You think that’s what our places of origin are? A single point on the actual place of origin?

Yes, because it is a POINT of origin, not a massive extended plane.
But even appealing to a surface or other similar BS wont save you, as already explained repeatedly.
And you have absolutely no refutation for that refutation of your BS, so you just flee, only to repeat the same pathetic BS again and again.

Again consider a cliff face.
That is the surface.
I pull a rock away from it.
Instead of falling towards that surface that it originated on, it falls down, towards Earth.

Playing dumb as usual, that’s all you ever do when you have no valid argument.

There you go projecting again.

There’s no need to make up a bs idiotic and comically hopeless ‘force’ to help a boulder above the surface be free from the mighty and powerful grip it holds on the 30 ton boulder, which is helpless and weak compared to the mighty little air tidbits, as we all know!

Why don’t you tell me why a 30 ton boulder within the air, would ever remain in air, and what would make it stay in air, and why you would ever believe that it’s enormous mass and density, are plucked right out of the boulder into thin air and vanish, because you seem to believe mass and density don’t even exist unless a made up force wants them to exist!!


How might these air molecules are! They can hold up a 30
ton boulder like a toy!


Or you’re nuts and think such crap would happen

Make up a boneheaded force, but no need to ever prove this garbage exists, not measure any of it’s made up ‘waves’, unlike every actual force has been proven and it’s energy measured and shown to exist as a force, you can only bulls$(; about a made up force to a certain point, you can never fake it being measured, because others will find nothing to measure, and your toast!

No, that’s when you make up bs excuses about why you haven’t measured it yet, but hope nobody ever notices that, it’s not good to be exposed as a complete fraud!

When we’ve sunk down to the absolute gutter of this crap having not a shred of proof, cannot even be found to exist and cannot be measured for, which is the absolute one thing we must and always do, to prove a force actually DOES exist.

Not your garbage bs force, it has no need to be measured for to prove it exists, they just need to say it exists now!!

A mindless pack

If a made up force was a pulling down objects and sped them up to one exact speed, and every object was pulled down and sped up the very same, and to the very same top speed, and altitude didn’t matter at all, the more distance from its source, was nothing at all, then any bs goes
well for you

There’s no need to make up a bs idiotic and comically hopeless

Then why do you keep doing it?

to help a boulder above the surface be free from the mighty and powerful grip it holds on the 30 ton boulder

So what you are saying is that there is a force coming from Earth which is a mighty and powerful grip on the 30 ton boulder?
That sure sounds like gravity.

Why don’t you tell me why a 30 ton boulder within the air, would ever remain in air

I have already told you repeatedly.
Without a force acting on it, there is no reason for it to accelerate in any particular direction.
If we ignore gravity, then the only force we can tell is acting on it is the force due to the pressure gradient which should push it up.
If we ignore that as well, then there is no force acting on it so there is no for it to accelerate.

Stop trying to push your burden onto others.
You need to tell us why a boulder should accelerate at all without a force acting on it.

because you seem to believe mass and density don’t even exist unless a made up force wants them to exist

There you go lying yet again.
Mass and density do exist.
Mass is effectively resistance to change in motion.
You can easily test this yourself, by trying to push various objects along a level ground on tracks and wheels.
The more massive the object, the harder it is to move.
This is quantifiable, in the form of F=m*a.

So if you have a 30 ton boulder, it takes a lot of force to make it accelerate.
Yet here you are claiming it will just magically accelerate by pure magic for no reason at all.

How might these air molecules are! They can hold up a 30 ton boulder like a toy!

Again, "hold up" implied that there is some force they have to resist.
The air isn't "holding right" a boulder after you move it to the right, because there is no force trying to push it to the left.
The same applies here.
Without a force trying to move it down, there is nothing to hold up.

Make up a boneheaded force, but no need to ever prove this garbage exists, not measure any of it’s made up ‘waves’

There you go lying yet again.
Once more, gravity has been proven beyond any sane doubt.
You were told experiments you can do to test it.
And gravitational waves have been detected.

You are just appealing to your own wilful ignorance to pretend reality is wrong.

If a made up force

We aren't talking about a made up force.
We are talking about a real force, known as gravity.
Your hatred of it and repeated lies about it doesn't make it made up.

was a pulling down objects and sped them up to one exact speed, and every object was pulled down and sped up the very same, and to the very same top speed, and altitude didn’t matter at all, the more distance from its source, was nothing at all, then any bs goes
well for you

No, for YOU! Because again, that is your strawman. That is not how gravity works.
Stop with the BS.

Yet again, we are right back where we were countless days ago, with you spouting pathetic BS because you hate gravity, while being completely incapable of showing any fault with it instead being reduced to repeatedly lying about it; and you not being able to offer any viable alternative. You can't even remain consistent as to if it is meant to be magical origin energy or simply being denser; but neither explains why things should fall. Only gravity (or something equivalent to it in that situation) does.

Again, all the evidence shows you need a force to accelerate an object.
So if you have an object in mid air, and it starts accelerating downwards, that needs a force.

Likewise, the existence of the pressure gradient, which is measurable and quantifiable, also requires a force to sustain it and prevent it from pushing everything up.

Your lies and wilful ignorance will not change that.

Nitrogen is nearly the same density as air and mixes into air when put within air, so nice try

But oxygen is more dense than nitrogen or air.  Why has the oxygen not settled out into a layer below nitrogen or air?

Air is a perfect combination of Gods creation, same as water, etc.

The densities are intertwined to work as one thing, one molecule of air, of water, etc.

Those mediums are basic to all life on Earth, designed to support all life on Earth, except microbes, etc.

Combining two things of different densities together, interlaced, is no longer two separate objects, of different densities. When they are two separate elements, their density acts the same way as others do.

Air is a perfect combination

Then why does the composition of it vary so much?

The densities are intertwined

No, they aren't. There is a clear distinction between the densities of them.
You are just making up more pathetic BS to pretend your already refuted BS could work.
It is truly pathetic.

Yet again, we are right back where we were countless days ago, with you spouting pathetic BS because you hate gravity, while being completely incapable of showing any fault with it instead being reduced to repeatedly lying about it; and you not being able to offer any viable alternative. You can't even remain consistent as to if it is meant to be magical origin energy or simply being denser; but neither explains why things should fall. Only gravity (or something equivalent to it in that situation) does.

Again, all the evidence shows you need a force to accelerate an object.
So if you have an object in mid air, and it starts accelerating downwards, that needs a force.

Likewise, the existence of the pressure gradient, which is measurable and quantifiable, also requires a force to sustain it and prevent it from pushing everything up.

Your lies and wilful ignorance will not change that.

You claim gravity waves have been detected? Where were they detected? How were they detected?

Any kind of actual measurements of gravity being made now?

Actual measurements are the most important thing to have, although even with measurements, it has to be proven as truly and exclusively measurements of actual energy that is emitted outward, then identifying its source of origin, and testing and repeating the tests, results, and much more than that, like we’ve always done before we knew our actual forces existed.

Nothing like gravity, it’s a joke, looking at the work, the tests, the whole process and research and developments to find out how to identify it’s energy, measure it’s energy, locate its source of energy, and so on…

I’m not talking about forces like wind or water currents, which are obvious to see, and know exist, and proven to exist, felt as a force, resist opposite forces against them, etc.

Magnetic force is also obvious to see, but lesser than wind or water currents, though still easily proven to exist, demonstrated and tested to exist, resists opposing forces, felt to resist opposing forces…

Other forces haven’t been so easily proven to exist, like electricity, and so on, which aren’t seen or some not even felt, yet we’ve proven they exist, measured them and so on…

Look at how many distinctly unique forces and signals of each energy they have and are measured and proven to exist, like radar and sonar and microwaves and shortwaves, em waves, etc. 

In medical science, bacteria wasn’t known to exist, until we found it with a microscope, and changed the world forever from it.

You seem to believe that gravity is already a proven force that exists, and acts and behaves like all other actual forces do, and everything you believe about gravity, is not even close to being true, it’s disgusting and sickening to me that this garbage goes on as if it’s a valid force, as a real force, that’s what is truly sickening and disgusting.

No proof it even EXISTS at all. No measurements of it, whatever IT may even be, or not be, let alone a force, based on their saying there is a force, that is within Earths core, a blatant lie they told us, knowing it is a lie, nobody can claim that, but they have claimed it.

That alone makes them liars, frauds, and con artists. 

Based on the very scumbag who came up with such an idea, to say there’s a force within Earth…

Newton came up with a twist, and it wasn’t even noticed, or not looked at with any scrutiny, most likely.

It’s a law, penned by the great Newton! All others declare it so, a Law, and is perfect, and factual, for all eternity

His Law, his First Law of Motion, is a fraud of great proportions. An attempt to remove the cause of any motion of objects, by starting the law of motion, by saying ‘objects in motion’ to start his Law with!

‘Objects in motion’ or ‘when objects are in motion’, is the starting point of his Law!

Objects, I shall put you in motion, for no reason, no cause of the motion, the only reason you ARE in motion!

There’s not any objects in air, so why are you saying when an object is in air?

It didn’t exist in air, first of all.

You threw it up into air from where it actually was, on the ground, right?

So you mean, after I grab an object from the ground, and then throw it up into air using force to throw it up….

You took an object on the ground and threw it into the air. You threw an object on the ground which has more mass and density than the air, and put it up into the less dense medium of air, so when the much denser object is put up into the less dense medium, you expect the denser object you threw into the less dense medium to stay where you threw it up into?

So you expect it to float around in air, which cannot support the object within air, being more dense than air becomes irrelevant somehow?

Why would you believe the denser object within a less dense medium because you put it into the less dense medium, would not simply fall through the less dense medium by itself, by having more density than the medium you put it into?

A helium filled balloon didn’t need you to throw it up into air, no force acted on the balloon to put it into motion upward through the air. Not with your made up force that only pulls things down from air, holds them down on the surface!

The motion of the balloon is upward, and the cause of its upward motion was its lesser density than the air, causing it to rise upward in motion.

Your made up force pulls down all things of all densities, even the air is pulled down by your amazing force. It would not let the balloon rise up from the surface, having less or more density wouldn’t matter to the great made up pulling down holding down force!

This proves there’s no such force at all. You can’t have a part time pulling and holding down force, it must be consistent in its actions or does not exist at all. Actual forces don’t have any exceptions or excuses, they are always consistent in their actions and work the same way all the time.

And actual forces don’t need to have another force come in to solve its failures, and inconsistencies!

You claim gravity waves have been detected? Where were they detected? How were they detected?

Yes, at LIGO.

But that is just yet another pathetic distraction from you.

Any kind of actual measurements of gravity being made now?

Plenty.
People measure how g varies over Earth, for a variety of reasons.
People recreate experiments like the Cavendish experiment.
But again, this is another pathetic deflection.

Actual measurements are the most important thing to have, although even with measurements, it has to be proven as truly and exclusively measurements of actual energy that is emitted outward, then identifying its source of origin, and testing and repeating the tests, results, and much more than that, like we’ve always done before we knew our actual forces existed.

No, that is pretty much how it never works, because you continue to fundamentally misunderstand how forces work.
Again, it isn't some magic source of energy continually emitting energy outwards.

Magnetic force is also obvious to see

Just like gravity.

yet we’ve proven they exist, measured them and so on…

Just like gravity.

it’s disgusting and sickening to me that this garbage goes on as if it’s a valid force, as a real force, that’s what is truly sickening and disgusting.

Why?
Because it shows your utterly pathetic, delusional BS is wrong?

You should be sickened and disgusted by yourself.
From all the lies and BS you spout.

No proof it even EXISTS at all. No measurements of it

Except the countless examples you have already been provided with and just dismissed.


Meanwhile, you are still yet to offer a viable alternative.

their saying there is a force, that is within Earths core

A blatant lie you keep repeating even after it has been pointed out to be a lie.
No one, other than lying subhuman scum like you, are saying it is just magically within Earth's core.

No one who had any idea what they are talking about would even describe it like that.

e.g. go back to magnetism. No one would describe it as a force within the magnet.
It is a force between 2 magnet or between a magnet and magnetic object.

That alone makes them liars, frauds, and con artists.

No, that makes YOU a liar, because you keep repeating the same BS strawmen, even after it has been called out.

Newton came up with a twist

No, they came up with something quite honest, which destroys your pathetic BS, so you have to lie about that as well.

His Law, his First Law of Motion, is a fraud of great proportions.

Yet you are unable to show any fault with it.

I know, it doesn't match your pathetic fantasy, but it does match what is observed in reality.

Again, the simplest test is throw something upwards and to the right.
We notice it doesn't travel in a straight line and then stop and go back to you. Instead it follows a parabola/ellipse, being accelerated downwards.

Likewise, there are countless other experiments you can do to show that.

But because you need things to just magically fall for no reason at all, you have to reject it to pretend your pathetic fantasy is true.

But back in reality, there are mountains of evidence showing in order to accelerate something you need a force.
And that applies to make it go faster, and to making it go slower.

There’s not any objects in air

There are plenty.
Again, another absolutely pathetic lie from you.

You threw it up

No, I didn't.
Again, there are countless ways to get into the air.
For example you can break it off the bottom of an overhang, that is applying a force moving it down.
And yet it continues to go down, rather than fall back up to the surface it broke off from.

Again, if the origin mattered at all, if you threw something up and to the right, it would travel in a straight line, slowing down and then going straight back so it would end up going down and to the left, returning to the place it was thrown from.
But this doesn't happen.

mass and density

Explains nothing without a force to act on the mass to try to move it down, to create a pressure gradient in a fluid so the fluid pushes objects up.

So you expect it to float around in air, which cannot support the object within air

Again, WHAT IS THERE TO SUPPORT?
Without a force like gravity trying to pull the object down, which the air would need to resist to keep the object up, what is there to support?

If I place an object in the middle of a table, why does the air have no issue "supporting" it from flying off to the left or the right or towards the nearest wall or anything like that?
It is because there is no force trying to move it in that direction.
So there is nothing that the air needs to supports.

It is only when there is a force that the air needs to support anything.
So without a force trying to make the object go down, there is nothing that the air needs to support and the object should float.

being more dense than air becomes irrelevant somehow?

The question you should be asking is why should that be relevant in the first place?
Why should being denser make it move at all?
Why should it make it move in any particular direction?

Why would you believe ... would not simply fall

Because in order to accelerate it needs a force.

A helium filled balloon

Is pushed upwards the pressure gradient of the atmosphere. But unlike most objects, the downwards force due to gravity is not enough to keep it down.

no force acted on the balloon to put it into motion upward through the air

Except the pressure gradient that has been repeatedly explained to you which you need to keep ignoring because it shows your delusional BS could never work.

the cause of its upward motion was

The pressure gradient of the atmosphere pushing it up, with the downwards force from gravity acting directly on the balloon not being enough to keep it down.

It would not let the balloon rise up

You have already had this BS refuted countless times.
Again, it is your magic, made up strawman, that wouldn't allow that.
Gravity is fine with it.

The fact gravity works so well (when you don't ignore the pressure gradient of the atmosphere) is strong evidence supporting gravity.
The fact you need to repeatedly lie about it shows you likely have no actual objection against it because it is likely true.

You can’t have a part time pulling and holding down force, it must be consistent in its actions or does not exist at all.

Again, a pathetic strawman by you.
We have a consistent force.
A force consistently acting to try to accelerate objects towards Earth (and not just Earth, it acts between all masses, but for small objects near Earth, the only significant force is usually the attraction to Earth).
This includes the air and other fluids, which results in a pressure gradient building up because they can't occupy the same volume, so the lower layers support the upper layers.
This pressure gradient is measurable and verifiable.
This pressure gradient acts to push objects upwards. In fact, it also attempts to push the fluid up. But that is balanced by the downwards force of gravity directly acting on the fluid.

So when you place an object in this fluid, there are 2 forces acting, the direct force from gravity acting directly on the object to move it down, and the indirect force from gravity where gravity creates a pressure gradient in the fluid which pushes the object up.
The direct force on the object is based upon the mass of the object. The indirect force is based upon the mass of the fluid displaced.
If the direct force is greater the object goes down. If the indirect force is greater the object goes up.
Notice that this provides an explanation, unlike your BS.

And notice how gravity remains consistent, without any actual problem.

Your argument is as good as saying magnetism can't be real, because I can pull a magnet off a fridge.
That is the level of pathetic desperation you have stopped to.

Again, what you should fine sickening and disgusting is yourself, and other lying, subhuman scum like yourself.