Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.

That’s not possible with a vertical line down to a ball, because vertical changes over the ball,

Down points to the center of the spherical earth.  What force allows cellphones to determine “down” with the use of accelerometers.  Gravity. 

Anyway..

What difference does it make in that you never answer how accelerometers in cellphones work and what they reference to determine down.  It’s a force called gravity.

There are different links to videos in this thread that explain what spins the gyroscope in an artificial horizon indicator and how the pendulous vanes work with gravity to correct the gyroscope when it drifts from flying around the spherical earth.

Gyroscopes use an internal spinning disk which always remains level when the plane is not flying perfectly straight and level and horizontal, to match the flat surface below.

Another instrument which proves Earth is flat and measures as flat, in other words.

A small spinning flat disk that remains level at all times, no curve at all yet again.

All of these instruments measure things as they really are.

But of course, they must be the only instruments we have which are taken in by your made up force, which makes them measure for Earths curvature as a flat and level measurement on planes instruments, thereby allowing planes to measure a curve as not curved at all but flat and level and horizontal instead, because our instruments don’t measure for any curvature on the surface. Luckily, the made up super duper fantasy force does it for us, and we don’t even know it was done by a bs force at all?

There’s many flaws with this absurd argument, and it cannot solve them.

It’s very easy to make up some bs force and never prove it even exists in the first place.

After you make it up, and never have any proof it exists, then you can say it does whatever you need it for. Grabbing our instruments and making them measure a curve that indicates it’s level and horizontsl, is a good one. Nobody knows.why the force wants us to fly safely over the ball Earth by adjusting our instruments and what they measure isn’t what people think it is!!

Gyroscopes use an internal spinning disk which always remains level when the plane is not flying perfectly straight and level and horizontal, to match the flat surface below.

Another instrument which proves Earth is flat and measures as flat, in other words.

A small spinning flat disk that remains level at all times, no curve at all yet again.

A artificial horizon uses a gyroscope but has needed auxiliary equipment to correct for drift for various reasons, one of them from flying over a spherical earth.

To ignore that is to lie and admit the earth is spherical.

Gyroscopes use an internal spinning disk which always remains level when the plane is not flying perfectly straight and level and horizontal, to match the flat surface below.

That is a regular gyroscope without a self righting mechanism.

If your claim was true, airplanes would not need such a mechanism, yet they have them.
WHY?

That is what you need to address.
Deflecting to other pathetic BS wont help you.

Stop just making pathetic assertions and explain why they need a self-righting mechanism.

I have explained what they’re used for, to maintain level within the instrument, if the plane drifts off of level flight at all.

The main problem planes have in staying level is pitching and yawing, along its wings, while still flying level in one direction, the course of its flight path, they can pitch slightly off of level along its wings, and drift off course slowly along the way.

That is what gyroscopes are used on planes for.

The ball shape of it isn’t modeled to a ball Earth. The ball is a 360 degree shape to account for any drift from level, it uses a permanently level disk inside it which self corrects for drift off of level

I have explained what they’re used for

No, you haven't.
You have explained what gyroscopes themselves could be used for, but not the self-righting mechanism in them.


Don't tell me what the gyroscopes are used for, tell me why they have self-righting mechanisms.
Mechanisms which would result in them righting themselves after Earth rotates or they move around on a round Earth.

What is that mechanism used for?

There’s no rotation of Earth to account for, and they couldn’t account for it if there were any rotation.

They don’t fly over a round Earth either and don’t need to adjust for it.

Its self righting mechanism is the permanently level spinning disk inside the ball.it stays level when a plane tilts or drifts off of level flight, that is what it self corrects itself for on planes.

It remains level while the outer ball spins off course with the plane.

There’s no rotation of Earth to account for, and they couldn’t account for it if there were any rotation.

Again, it is not accounting for it in the sense that it is making a specific correction for it.
Instead, it is just self-righting.

And yes, there certainly is rotation of Earth. As all the evidence shows.

Its self righting mechanism is the permanently level spinning disk inside the ball.

No, it isn't.
Stop lying.
The self-righting mechanism are things like pendulous vanes.
Lying will not save you here. It will just show how utterly pathetic and desperate you are.

Again, these instruments have self-righting mechanisms, which change the orientation of the spinning gyroscope to keep it upright.

Why are these needed?

You won’t win this argument because it’s shaped as a ball, the shape has nothing to do with their bs ball Earth lie!

You’ve already admitted your curve cannot be measured with our instruments, and neither do gyroscopes measure or account for a ball Earth or a curved surface below planes.

What is the spinning disk used for? A ball Earth or a curved surface?


Do you really think the ball shape is used because you think earth is a ball?

Any idea why it’s shaped as a ball? And the disk is always level inside the ball?

You think the bsll Esrth has a disk inside it that’s always level? That’d be funny

There must be a curved surface, never seen or measured over the surface as a curse, which is blocked behind the horizons. then vanishes from sight and reappears behind a loner horizon, and a longer completely flat surface up to these longer out horizons, which are always directly up in our view from
planes.

Eventually the curve appears on the surface but we’ve never seen it yet, we don’t go high up enough to see it appear!

I have explained what they’re used for, to maintain level within the instrument, if the plane drifts off of level flight at all.

Turbo.  You are ignoring the artificial horizon has equipment in it to prevent the gyroscope from drifting.  Read what was posted. 


A artificial horizon uses a gyroscope but has needed auxiliary equipment to correct for drift for various reasons, one of them from flying over a spherical earth.

To ignore that is to lie and admit the earth is spherical.

You won’t win this argument because it’s shaped as a ball

There you go with more dishonest BS yet again.
I never suggested anything like that. But of course that wont stop lying, subhuman scum like you from pretending I did to pretend you are correct.

Once more, we are talking about the self-righting mechanism inside the gyroscope.
This is not simply the disk that is spinning.
Running from this to continue to spout pathetic BS just demonstrates your dishonesty and how utterly pathetic your position is.

Again, if you want to "win" this argument, you need to explain the purpose of this self-righting mechanism.
Until you do so, you have lost, and more pathetic BS from you just further demonstrates your dishonest, your desperation and how utterly pathetic you and your position are.

There must be a curved surface, never seen or measured

And more pathetic, dishonest BS.
No, there must be a curve, a curve which is clearly seen and shown by the other threads you continually flee from simple questions in, and repeatedly measured, as shown in a different thread.
But of course, nothing will stop lying scum like you from just lying to everyone by claiming it is never seen or measured.
But again, that is a topic for those threads.

For this thread, you are meant to be explaining why gyroscopic instruments inside planes have self-righting mechanisms.
These mechanisms are made to intentionally change the axis of rotation of the gyroscope.
Something that wouldn't be needed at all if these gyroscopes kept their orientation over a flat Earth.
What purpose do these mechanism have in your delusional FE fantasy?
Do you have any even remotely honest answer? Or do you just have more pathetic, dishonest BS?

These mechanisms are made to intentionally change the axis of rotation of the gyroscope.
Something that wouldn't be needed at all if these gyroscopes kept their orientation over a flat Earth.
What purpose do these mechanism have in your delusional FE fantasy?

Are you that dense?

Since your videos only briefly and partly explain how gyroscopes work and correct for, ‘self-correct’ for, if you prefer, watch this clip below, since it explains how they work, alone and with other instruments on planes…




Of course it has a diagram of a curved surface briefly, which is ironic since there’s no reference to gyroscopes or other instruments adjusting or measuring for a curved surface.

The video itself explains it so anyone can understand it, maybe even you.


As you’ll see, gyroscopes correct and adjust for true level, or horizontal, along the two axes of a plane - nose to tail, and wingtip to wingtip.

Each axes must be horizontal in each direction, to match the flat surface below.

No matter how you’d like gyroscopes to ‘self correct’ to a ball Earth, that’s the last thing they would ever do.

It is designed to maintain level or horizontal flight of planes in both directions, both axes, perpendicular to one another.

How you ever got the idea that they correct for drift above a ball Earth must’ve been someone saying it does in a ball Earth propaganda video. 

A curved surface would curve downward in all directions below planes, right?

Gyroscopes actually CORRECT FOR THAT. They are level in all directions, and correct for planes drifting OFf of level in any direction!

In no way do they adjust or correct for a curved surface or indicate a curved flight path, in fact they correct for any curved paths, banks and pitches and rolls the plane is doing in a flight, all of which are known as ‘drift’.

But look for yourself, if you don’t believe me on that.

All you do is keep claiming that gyroscopes correct for curvature when planes drift off course, which you must have heard from a video or imagined that’s what they do.

They are the very opposite of that. In fact, they indicate a level and flat and horizontal path in all directions, perpendicular to a plane along both its axes.

You couldn’t find an instrument that is designed to indicate a path that is MORE flat and level than a gyroscope!

Thanks for bringing it up, now you know what they are used for, what you never had a clue that they would ever be used for!

Are you that dense?

No. I'm not.
Are you?

Since your videos only briefly and partly explain how gyroscopes work

The videos were not attempting to explain how they work.
Instead, they were specifically focusing on the self-righting mechanism you continue to pretend doesn't exist.

Providing a useless video which doesn't discuss this mechanism at all is entirely useless.

Again, deal with the self-righting mechanism.

Pretending it doesn't exist just shows how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.

That video explains everything that gyroscopes do, the parts they have, how they all work in any scenario, what instruments on planes they work with, or are used when bad conditions and when the actual horizon isn’t seen in planes..

Stop being a weasel, don’t tell me that gyroscopes have a self-corrrecting mechanism and then ask me what they’re for, show me proof they have such a feature, from a valid source, and tell me what they’re used for, and show me a valid source that explains they’re used for that.

Where are your sources for this, and why haven’t you shown any sources for it?

Those clips don’t refer to it, so why post them?

Cut the bs, support your claim with valid sources and valid proof for your claim. Your the one bringing it up, you moron

That video explains everything that gyroscopes do

No. It doesn't. It leaves out parts.
All it takes to realise that is the fact it doesn't even tell you how the vacuum makes it spin.
Instead, it tells you that it sucks air around it and spits it out into the engine compartment.

And what they definitely didn't show, is any physical gyroscopic instrument.

Compare that to the video you were provided with before, or countless others:
An entire video focusing on just that.
Also provided before:

This time showing a real physical attitude indicator and showing these real physical pendulous vanes.


But here are some more:
showing the self correction.
This one talks about it at the end.
This one is more a compilation of some of the others with more explanation.
Another animated one which still describes it.

Stop being a weasel, don’t tell me that gyroscopes have a self-corrrecting mechanism and then ask me what they’re for, show me proof they have such a feature, from a valid source, and tell me what they’re used for, and show me a valid source that explains they’re used for that.
Where are your sources for this, and why haven’t you shown any sources for it?
Those clips don’t refer to it, so why post them?
Cut the bs, support your claim with valid sources and valid proof for your claim. Your the one bringing it up, you moron

There you go lying yet again.
Remember the first video linked above?
You were provided with it and then proceeded to entirely ignore it because it shows you to be a lying POS and shows something you can't explain.

The videos do refer to them. One is literally titled Pendulous Vanes. Yet you have the nerve to claim it doesn't? You truly are pathetic.
As shown by the videos above, my claims are supported. Meanwhile yours are worthless and pathetic.

All you have done now is yet again shown yourself to be pathetic, lying scum.

So rather than projecting your own pathetic inadequacies onto others, how about YOU stop with all the BS and instead try dealing with these?
Try explaining why planes have them?

To correct for level flight when planes drift off level flight, just like I told you already.

The first clip just says ‘it could easily correct for curvature’, not that IT DOES CORRECT FOR CURVATURE!

The second clip makes the ridiculous claim that their made up non-existent force, which has no proof of even existing, while supposedly making all objects be pulled down to the surface at the exact same speed like it has superpowers beyond all actual forces!
 
The third and fourth clips, and the clip I posted, all basically explain that it corrects for drift from level flight, or ‘self corrects’ for level flight after planes drift off level flight. No mention of correcting for curvature by a made up force, at all.

So once again, there’s another instrument which measures or corrects for level flight, and in this case, corrects for level flight in all directions, or the two perpendicular directions of planes, along nose to tail, and along the two wings at each side, which covers all directions when both perpendicular directions are level, as two level and perpendicular directions account for the entire flat surface and path above that surface.

What do you think supports a ball Earth here? It’s the very opposite.

To correct for level flight when planes drift off level flight, just like I told you already.

No, you told me that this self-righting mechanism doesn't exist, and that instead it is a spinning gyroscope which maintains its level and will allow a plane to correct when the plane is not level.

That is not addressing the self-righting mechanism.

The videos clearly demonstrate the existence of this mechanism.
Are you going to accept it exists yet?

What do you think supports a ball Earth here? It’s the very opposite.

Pure BS.
Firstly, I never actually said it supports a round Earth.
Instead, it just refutes the blatant lies scum like you make.
It does NOT do the very opposite.

The fact this mechanism exists utterly destroys the lies FE scum like you make by claiming airplane gyroscopes prove Earth is flat.
The only way for such lies to work is if that self-righting mechanism didn't exist.

But you can't even provide a reason for why it would be used on a flat Earth.

No, I said you need to show me this mechanism exists, but it is simply a more precise and complex gyroscope mechanism than a spinning disk is in earlier or basic gyroscopes. It does the same thing as the spinning disk does but is more precise and accurate than a simple spinning disk is.

They both correct for level, they both always stay level when the plane is not level.

That’s why you never said what they self correct for, and asked me what they correct for.

And how exactly does this ever support your ball Earth claim or curvature claim?  It supports the flat Earth surface, corrects for planes when flying OFf of level flights, when they bank or pitch up or down or anything off of straight and level flight.

Thanks for helping confirm my argument once again.

No, I said you need to show me this mechanism exists

Yes, after already having been shown evidence of its existence, which you ignore like the dishonest POS you are, and in that same post you lied about not having been provided it, like the lying POS you are.

And I provided clear evidence that it does.
And you then proceed to ignore it.

it is simply a more precise and complex gyroscope mechanism than a spinning disk is in earlier or basic gyroscopes. It does the same thing as the spinning disk does but is more precise and accurate than a simple spinning disk is.

No, it is fundamentally different.

A simple spinning disk maintains its orientation in space, unless something forces it to change orientation.
This mechanism subverts that. It changes the orientation of it.

They both correct for level, they both always stay level when the plane is not level.

No, they don't.
The gyroscope itself allows the plane to level.
The pendulous vanes makes the gyroscope level, but is actually effected by the plane banking.

That’s why you never said what they self correct for

There you go lying yet again.
I told you that it ensures the gyroscope stays upright.

And how exactly does this ever support your ball Earth claim or curvature claim?

Again, I never said it did.
Instead I explained how it refutes your pathetic BS.

It supports the flat Earth surface

HOW?
Once more, the self righting mechanism means that even in reality where Earth is curved, as the planes fly around Earth, the gyroscope is forced to be upright, completely refuting the idea that a gyroscope in a plane proves Earth is flat.

More importantly, these gyroscopes would be effected by the plane when it banks, losing accuracy.

If Earth was actually flat, they would be better off with a properly balanced gyroscope that just spins and maintains its axis of rotation.

Thanks for helping confirm my argument once again.

You mean thanks for confirming you are a worthless, lying POS again?
Where you yet again lie to everyone?
Where you are still entirely incapable of addressing the existence of a simple mechanism.

Again, explain why plane gyroscopes have a self-righting mechanism.
Clearly explain the purpose of them in your delusional fantasy.

This means not focusing on the gyroscope itself and how the gyroscope can allow a plane to fly level, but focus on the self-righting mechanism.

They correct for level flight when planes go off of level flight. Your own videos say this, they don’t support your argument at all.

What’s funny here is that you all hold up gyroscopes having a self correcting mechanism meaning it corrects for flights over a ball Earth, when it actually corrects for level and horizontal flight over a flat Earth.  I don’t know why you even brought it up as if it helps your argument, it actually helps destroy your argument.

Why you.cant even see that is baffling indeed

There is no level to a curved line or surface. Level is a horizontal PATH OR LINE, not one point above or down to a curve or the center of a circle. Those who are trying to badtardize our common sense and reality and deny our own senses are now trying fyi tell us the dky is yellow not blue, it only looks blue from an effect, NASA has taken high resolution images eliminating the effect, look at our true yellow sky we have above us.

These scumbags could make you jump off a cliff if they told you it was in lesser gravity and you’ll float down to the ground. Maybe they will tell you that, and break out in laughter when you splat onto the ground like an effin idiot drone. It wouldn’t be the first time they’d toyed with their stupid toadies.

They do laugh at your ignorance and blind belief, they don’t respect of appreciate you supporting their bs. They see you as less than animals, they smirk at how stupid you are making up ridiculous excuses to defend them. They like it when you attack others who show they’re liars when you call them liars.  I’m sure you’ll realize this eventually, it’ll shatter your beliefs.

These scumbags could make you jump off a cliff if they told you it was in lesser gravity and you’ll float down to the ground. Maybe they will tell you that, and break out in laughter when you splat onto the ground like an effin idiot drone. It wouldn’t be the first time they’d toyed with their stupid toadies.

They do laugh at your ignorance and blind belief, they don’t respect of appreciate you supporting their bs. They see you as less than animals, they smirk at how stupid you are making up ridiculous excuses to defend them. They like it when you attack others who show they’re liars when you call them liars.  I’m sure you’ll realize this eventually, it’ll shatter your beliefs.

LOL.

No, I wouldn’t, because I know how it actually works.  There are laws of physics that have been verified by millions of people over hundreds of years.

I learned a lot of these laws, used the maths, verified many of them personally by experiment, designed and built things that work by applying these laws, and then rigorously tested them to make sure they did exactly what they should be doing.  But I am not special.  There are countless others doing the same thing every day.  All those people who made the modern world, up to and including whatever device you are on now.

You apparently think you are special.  That the world works according to whatever daft ideas pop into your head. 

Have you ever thought to test any of your ideas to see if they really work the way you say? Do you even care?

Or are you just like most other flat earthers?  Banging on about how brainwashed we are, but too lazy and too full of yourself to check if you are actually right?

They correct for level flight when planes go off of level flight.

No, they don't.
Again, this has nothing to do with the attitude of the plane.
It is about the gyroscope itself.
Repeatedly lying to everyone will not magically change reality.
It just shows how utterly pathetic and desperate you are.

Your own videos say this, they don’t support your argument at all.

WHERE?
Again, you spout pure BS with no justification at all.
Tell me the exact timestamp in the video where it clearly says this self-righting mechanism is for correcting for planes going off level.
Not the overall attitude indicator, not the gyroscope, but the self-righting mechanism.

What’s funny here

What is "funny" (more really sad) is how utterly pathetic and desperate you are.
You hold up gyroscopes as if they magically prove Earth is flat, by ignoring the very topic of discussion, by continually trying to deflect away to a different topic of discussion.

when it actually corrects for level and horizontal flight over a flat Earth.

Repeatedly lying wont help you here.
This is just you continually making the same pathetic assertion again and again.
Yet you can't tell us what it is correcting for.

Again, for a round Earth there is quite clear thing which it corrects for, the changing orientation of "down".
With a round Earth, as you move around, or let it rotate, the orientation of down changes relative to an inertial reference frame.
So if you had a perfect gyroscope that was kept spinning it would show this change (like laser ring gyroscopes do and some quite good normal gyroscopes do).
So because of this, these airplane instruments have a self righting mechanism which is constantly acting to try to right the gyroscope, to have the "down" of the gyroscope point towards "down" of Earth, but in doing so it is also affected by the plane manoeuvring.

Again, if Earth was flat, you could just have a properly balanced gyroscope, one which wouldn't be affected by the manoeuvring of the plane.
Why would you add a self-righting mechanism to the gyroscope?
One you wanted to pretend doesn't exist.
One you asked for evidence of its existence and lied to everyone about not having been provided it, after it was already provided.
And one you still refuse to discuss after the evidence of its existence has been presented again.

I don’t know why you even brought it up as if it helps your argument, it actually helps destroy your argument.

How does it destroy our argument?
Yet again you just assert pure BS with no justification at all, showing everyone how utterly pathetic, desperate and dishonest you are.

Again, the fact you can't answer a simple question about it by explaining what purpose it is serving in your delusional fantasy shows how it helps our argument.

Why you.cant even see that is baffling indeed

Have you considered it is because you keep baselessly asserting crap which requires you to ignore the very topic of discussion?
Have you considered it is because the very mechanism being discussed destroys your argument, as explained repeatedly, with you unable to show a single fault with that refutation and instead continuing to pretend like that mechanism doesn't exist to pretend it magically refutes a RE?

So perhaps you should stop asking about others, and asking about yourself.
Why can't YOU see this?
Why do YOU cling to such pathetic BS you can't justify at all.

There is no level to a curved line or surface.

Again, repeating the same pathetic lie will not help you.

These scumbags could make you jump off a cliff if they told you

No, that is far more likely to describe brainwashed fools like you.
I use my brain, you don't.
So I see through BS, including your own.

They do laugh at your ignorance and blind belief, they don’t respect of appreciate you supporting their bs. They see you as less than animals, they smirk at how stupid you are making up ridiculous excuses to defend them. They like it when you attack others who show they’re liars when you call them liars.  I’m sure you’ll realize this eventually, it’ll shatter your beliefs.

There you go projecting again.

Remember, YOU are the one making up pathetic excuses and spouting pure BS.
YOU are the one ignorant of reality, and wilfully so, with you desperately dismissing so many things as fake, because they shatter your world view.
YOU are the one repeatedly caught in lies, and shown to be lying to everyone.
And you are the one yet to refute a single RE argument, while pretty much everything you have said has been refuted.

Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS and explain what purpose this self-righting mechanism serves in your delusional fantasy.

Again, this is focusing specifically on the self-righting mechanism.
So saying it keeps the plane level is useless, without first telling us what is making the gyroscope inside not level.

You’re the first person I’ve ever seen that has no clue about what measurements are taken for, what they are using for measurements on instruments.

Except why would you only be clueless for how to measure for level, that’s very odd!

You cannot measure for level, or for a curve, or for a zig zag, or any other line or surface shaped in any way, with one point on them, or one point on them directed to ‘down’, whatever that’s supposed to mean, anyway.

They’ve tried and tried so hard for so long, adjusting and twisting and revising and even replacing the entire meaning and definition and measuring by our instruments, what level is, what level means, how level is measured for with all our instruments, using word tricks that are not false, but twist it into being very misleading.

But whatever spin they try to put on the true meaning of level, they’ll never change its true meaning, it’s true measuring for with our instruments.

Level is a horizontal, straight line or path or surface over a distance between two points, separated from one another over a distance in between them, over a span of some length or distance.

There is absolutely no such thing or any such measuring on or over a curved line or surface or path, ever being level, or ever being measured for level, and anyone who claims a curve can be measured as level, trying to revise its meaning here as ‘level to a curve’, is full of crap.

There is no ‘level to a curve’ that means level, as level to something thats not level, it’s bs and complete nonsense.

Level is a horizontal straight line or path or flat and horizontal surface, period.

How do we measure for level? Over a distance between two points, as a span or length over a distance.

That is how level is measured for, that is what level means and what level is, and that’s why we measure for it that very same way with all our instruments.

Stop this bs claim that level is a single point on any surface in the direction of down, you sound like a complete moron

You’re the first person I’ve ever seen that has no clue about what measurements are taken for, what they are using for measurements on instruments.

You mean I'm the first person that can so easily expose your pathetic BS, so you need to repeatedly lie about me and avoid such simple trivial questions?

They’ve tried and tried so hard

And got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter; because you are still just spouting pathetic BS.
Level does not mean straight, not matter how many times you repeat the same pathetic lie.

Now again, care to explain why airplane gyroscopes have a self righting mechanism?
Can you do that?
Or are you only capable of deflecting to irrelevant BS?

Level does mean straight when it is horizontal and straight.

Level is a horizontal straight path over a distance, that’s how our instruments measure for level.

Level does mean straight when it is horizontal and straight.

Relative to what?

Right, what is level measured to, as a reference for something that IS level over and above the Earth?

The Earth itself and the air above Earth are that reference to level, and that’s why we measure for level, to the Earth being level, and the air being and flowing level over the level surface of Earth. 

Water is level on Earth, spirit levels measure for level with a bubble of air within a sealed tube of water, among other ways we measure for level. The reference is always the Earths surfaces, and the air above the Earth.