Dubay offers bounty on RE

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Re: Dubay offers bounty on RE
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2025, 01:54:41 PM »
Its stupid. You can't prove anything except mathematics. That's just not what science does.

"Beyond a reasonable doubt".

That is generally the standard in law, and some would say it is in science too. If something is true BARD then it can be considered proven.

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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2025, 05:06:52 PM »
Its stupid. You can't prove anything except mathematics. That's just not what science does.

"Beyond a reasonable doubt".

That is generally the standard in law, and some would say it is in science too. If something is true BARD then it can be considered proven.
Incorrect.  The standard in science is "preponderance of evidence".  Science never considers considers anything proven because there is always the possibility of unknown variables.  However, there is the notion of settled science which means that the confidence is high enough that it's unlikely to change any time soon.
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Re: Dubay offers bounty on RE
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2025, 05:19:29 PM »
Its stupid. You can't prove anything except mathematics. That's just not what science does.

"Beyond a reasonable doubt".

That is generally the standard in law, and some would say it is in science too. If something is true BARD then it can be considered proven.

However, there is the notion of settled science which means that the confidence is high enough that it's unlikely to change any time soon.

Meaning that it would not be considered reasonable to doubt it.

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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2025, 05:58:37 PM »
Meaning that it would not be considered reasonable to doubt it.
Settled science gets doubted and challenged all the time, not just on sites like this.  You just need a better theory that can overcome the preponderance of evidence supporting the settled theory.  Something that FE'ers keep trying, and failing, to do.
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2025, 06:14:02 PM »
You just need a better theory that can overcome the preponderance of evidence supporting the settled theory.  Something that FE'ers keep trying, and failing, to do.

Would you say that it is unreasonable of them to do so?

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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2025, 08:17:44 PM »
You just need a better theory that can overcome the preponderance of evidence supporting the settled theory.  Something that FE'ers keep trying, and failing, to do.

Would you say that it is unreasonable of them to do so?
???  Why should it be unreasonable to come up with a better theory?  Newton had a better theory about gravity than the settled science of the time and then Einstein came up with an even better theory about gravity than the settled science of Newton.  Better theories than the settled science is how we progress.  I just don't see that FE is better than the current settled science, but that doesn't mean that they should stop trying.  They just need to do better.  Much, much better.
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Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2025, 08:36:23 PM »
You just need a better theory that can overcome the preponderance of evidence supporting the settled theory.  Something that FE'ers keep trying, and failing, to do.

Would you say that it is unreasonable of them to do so?
???  Why should it be unreasonable to come up with a better theory?  Newton had a better theory about gravity than the settled science of the time and then Einstein came up with an even better theory about gravity than the settled science of Newton.  Better theories than the settled science is how we progress.  I just don't see that FE is better than the current settled science, but that doesn't mean that they should stop trying.  They just need to do better.  Much, much better.

So you're saying if the supposed goal is to improve something, anything you do is reasonable? Correct so far?

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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2025, 01:10:50 AM »
You just need a better theory that can overcome the preponderance of evidence supporting the settled theory.  Something that FE'ers keep trying, and failing, to do.

Would you say that it is unreasonable of them to do so?
???  Why should it be unreasonable to come up with a better theory?  Newton had a better theory about gravity than the settled science of the time and then Einstein came up with an even better theory about gravity than the settled science of Newton.  Better theories than the settled science is how we progress.  I just don't see that FE is better than the current settled science, but that doesn't mean that they should stop trying.  They just need to do better.  Much, much better.

So you're saying if the supposed goal is to improve something, anything you do is reasonable? Correct so far?
No, just because you have a goal of improving something, that doesn't mean that anything you do is reasonable.

The point that you appear to be overlooking is that in science there is never a simple case of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". Instead, theories are accepted based upon the available evidence.
In some cases we know they are wrong, yet they are still used as useful approximations.
In other cases, we don't know if they are right or wrong, but they work with everything we have tested them on.

And in the latter case, sometimes we then later get new evidence to test them in and find they don't work.
And sometimes we know of situations to test in which might break the theory, but don't have a way to test it.

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Re: Dubay offers bounty on RE
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2025, 04:04:00 AM »
Meaning that it would not be considered reasonable to doubt it.
Settled science gets doubted and challenged all the time, not just on sites like this.  You just need a better theory that can overcome the preponderance of evidence supporting the settled theory.  Something that FE'ers keep trying, and failing, to do.
There are quite a number of examples of advance from places like these forums or where it affected or changed the perceived "settled science" or more accurately scientific consensus. Much of the lack of popularity in String Theory now a days when it was once considered the best path to unification by the mainstream physics community is due to online forums much like these, usenet, and blogs that over and overagain highlighted how it was just more round earth untestable mumbo jumbo.

Luminol, a chemical used to detect blood at crime scenes, was considered a reliable indicator and settled science until forums, including  the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) forums -- which are not too different from here, compiled cases where Luminol reacted with substances like bleach or even some vegetables. This in turn lead toto stronger standards in forensics.
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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2025, 04:38:09 AM »
Meaning that it would not be considered reasonable to doubt it.
Settled science gets doubted and challenged all the time, not just on sites like this.  You just need a better theory that can overcome the preponderance of evidence supporting the settled theory.  Something that FE'ers keep trying, and failing, to do.
There are quite a number of examples of advance from places like these forums or where it affected or changed the perceived "settled science" or more accurately scientific consensus. Much of the lack of popularity in String Theory now a days when it was once considered the best path to unification by the mainstream physics community is due to online forums much like these, usenet, and blogs that over and overagain highlighted how it was just more round earth untestable mumbo jumbo.

Luminol, a chemical used to detect blood at crime scenes, was considered a reliable indicator and settled science until forums, including  the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) forums -- which are not too different from here, compiled cases where Luminol reacted with substances like bleach or even some vegetables. This in turn lead toto stronger standards in forensics.

I applaud that, and I thank you for bringing up these examples.

However, the devil is in the details. Not everything that is said on a forum is justified or reasonable just because some is.

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Re: Dubay offers bounty on RE
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2025, 07:34:04 AM »
Meaning that it would not be considered reasonable to doubt it.
Settled science gets doubted and challenged all the time, not just on sites like this.  You just need a better theory that can overcome the preponderance of evidence supporting the settled theory.  Something that FE'ers keep trying, and failing, to do.
There are quite a number of examples of advance from places like these forums or where it affected or changed the perceived "settled science" or more accurately scientific consensus. Much of the lack of popularity in String Theory now a days when it was once considered the best path to unification by the mainstream physics community is due to online forums much like these, usenet, and blogs that over and overagain highlighted how it was just more round earth untestable mumbo jumbo.

Luminol, a chemical used to detect blood at crime scenes, was considered a reliable indicator and settled science until forums, including  the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) forums -- which are not too different from here, compiled cases where Luminol reacted with substances like bleach or even some vegetables. This in turn lead toto stronger standards in forensics.

I applaud that, and I thank you for bringing up these examples.

However, the devil is in the details. Not everything that is said on a forum is justified or reasonable just because some is.
It appears I misread; I thought it said "not on sites like these" rather than "not just on sites like these"
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Re: Dubay offers bounty on RE
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2025, 06:05:56 PM »
Forgot about this thread.  Highlights Dubay is a con and douchebag. 
 

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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2025, 12:37:43 AM »
That would be notable in 1890. What is that, like two tires of a car? And a banana?
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2025, 12:39:20 AM »
Forgot about this thread.  Highlights Dubay is a con and douchebag. 
 
Yeah we all knew that here. Tfes.org tried to make him their president. Because Thork.

Yeah we weren't too keen on him since he did the music video where he said Hitler was a cool guy.
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2025, 02:08:11 AM »
I don't share Dubay's commitment to veganism (the Zizians, and Hitler himself were at least vegetarian, and veganism means animals get put down since farms raise animals as part of their business). Nor do I agree with his stance on Judaism. He should stick to flat Earth, and not push Nazism.
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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2025, 03:27:58 AM »
I don't share Dubay's commitment to veganism (the Zizians, and Hitler himself were at least vegetarian, and veganism means animals get put down since farms raise animals as part of their business). Nor do I agree with his stance on Judaism. He should stick to flat Earth, and not push Nazism.

But you are brainwashed into the lie that cars don’t have to labor harder and burn more fuel to produce more power to maintain a constant speed going up a steep hill.  Anyone with basic observation skills, or has drive a manual transmission knows you’re full of crap.

Are you really this brainwashed Bulma, or that big of a troll? 

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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2025, 02:05:44 PM »
Meaning that it would not be considered reasonable to doubt it.
Settled science gets doubted and challenged all the time
The issue is they treat science like dogma.
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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2025, 02:06:55 PM »
I don't share Dubay's commitment to veganism (the Zizians, and Hitler himself were at least vegetarian, and veganism means animals get put down since farms raise animals as part of their business). Nor do I agree with his stance on Judaism. He should stick to flat Earth, and not push Nazism.
Honestly, his FE work isn't very impressive either from what I've read. His Flat Earth Conspiracy book is just a mix of copy pastes from our library uncredited uncited mixed with his own beyond ridiculous nonsense.
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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2025, 03:08:03 PM »
Meaning that it would not be considered reasonable to doubt it.
Settled science gets doubted and challenged all the time
The issue is they treat science like dogma.
Tell that to the string theorists.
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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2025, 04:59:16 PM »
I don't share Dubay's commitment to veganism (the Zizians, and Hitler himself were at least vegetarian, and veganism means animals get put down since farms raise animals as part of their business). Nor do I agree with his stance on Judaism. He should stick to flat Earth, and not push Nazism.

Eric Dubay's veganism has ravaged his body, and done nothing to improve his mind. God knows, it certainly hasn't improved his speech impediment.

But, like Goebels in Nazi Germany, he speaks well, and is a good salesman for flat earth. He has his ardent followers who think he's the next messiah.

What makes you think he appeals to NAZI ideology, bulma? I mean, he looks more like he's been starving in a concentration camp, than a NAZI foot soldier.
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