100% Tariffs - Trump

Trump wants economic security therefore constantly looking for new ways of making money and resources one way or the other (canada, greenland, gulf of mexico etc) to make America great again. Also, Trump will impose 100% terrifies on all BRICS countries.

It seems he believes “ in the dollar we trust” instead of “in the God we trust” -

Will he make America great again or does it show the downfall of America?

It would cause decline in American trade, as companies will choose to buy cheaper products elsewhere, not sure if it would be enough to cause a large downfall though. Also, don't forget the unpredictable risk of other countries imposing tariffs tit-for-tat style.

In any case, manufacturing probably won't come back in any great number simply because the cost to rebuild in America or elsewhere is great and they only have Trump for 4 years.

Trump might be right in his POV but he acts like a mad dog (sorry to say after the news of Columbia president) which is not only risky for americans but also for the dependent countries. Trump must have done his home work before playing gambling. If he wants to be obsessed with #1 then he must learn and accept the challenge of survival in competitive world. Use brain,not force.

Also, Trump will impose 100% terrifies on all BRICS countries.

Including Spain, apparently.

“They’re a Brics nation, Spain. Do you know what a Brics nation is? You’ll figure it out,”

Trump wants economic security therefore constantly looking for new ways of making money and resources one way or the other (canada, greenland, gulf of mexico etc) to make America great again. Also, Trump will impose 100% terrifies on all BRICS countries.

It seems he believes “ in the dollar we trust” instead of “in the God we trust” -

Will he make America great again or does it show the downfall of America?

Terrifies?

You seem to equate following God with allowing others to exploit you, while you tax your own citizens. This was the Biden model. How did that work? Well, we were in a very dangerous place. Russia was at war with Ukraine, Afghanistan saw we were weak and went full-Muslim, and immigrants were flooding into our borders to take advantage of our desire to help all the world. But did we really help anyone?

No.

First, there is the fact that open borders created a sex trafficking issue.  But this isn't all.



When you import the brightest and best to a country, what happens to those left behind? They are less and less likely to be able support the society. The most driven often want to leave and make something of themselves. If all the blacksmiths, cooks, doctors, and artisans leave a small town, that small town has no doctors or cooks. This is what happens to a country. It becomes hollowed out and more likely to be dysfunctional.  If we send these people back, our own people have to step up, and their country actually is able to take what it learned back home.   

Third, these brain-drained countries actually loathe us. They feel like the West stole from them instead of helped them, and they are technically right. So there is active conflict between all the people from these disparate countries and their hosts. Making people accountable for the shit they do to others actually helps the world move to peace under ideal circumstances. Yes, capitalism is trusting in God. For it is through capitalism and not socialism that the poor are lifted out of poverty. If I raise chickens, I can sell the eggs. I can sell the meat eventually. This makes me rich, and I can trade for goods that in turn make some guy who makes green pottery able to buy food and goods of his own. Without punishing people's incomes, it is now possible for people to help others out.

Quote from: E E K on January 24, 2025, 08:02:27 PM

Trump wants economic security therefore constantly looking for new ways of making money and resources one way or the other (canada, greenland, gulf of mexico etc) to make America great again. Also, Trump will impose 100% terrifies on all BRICS countries.

It seems he believes “ in the dollar we trust” instead of “in the God we trust” -

Will he make America great again or does it show the downfall of America?

Terrifies?

You seem to equate following God with allowing others to exploit you, while you tax your own citizens. This was the Biden model. How did that work? Well, we were in a very dangerous place. Russia was at war with Ukraine, Afghanistan saw we were weak and went full-Muslim, and immigrants were flooding into our borders to take advantage of our desire to help all the world. But did we really help anyone?

No.

First, there is the fact that open borders created a sex trafficking issue.  But this isn't all.



When you import the brightest and best to a country, what happens to those left behind? They are less and less likely to be able support the society. The most driven often want to leave and make something of themselves. If all the blacksmiths, cooks, doctors, and artisans leave a small town, that small town has no doctors or cooks. This is what happens to a country. It becomes hollowed out and more likely to be dysfunctional.  If we send these people back, our own people have to step up, and their country actually is able to take what it learned back home.   

Third, these brain-drained countries actually loathe us. They feel like the West stole from them instead of helped them, and they are technically right. So there is active conflict between all the people from these disparate countries and their hosts. Making people accountable for the shit they do to others actually helps the world move to peace under ideal circumstances. Yes, capitalism is trusting in God. For it is through capitalism and not socialism that the poor are lifted out of poverty. If I raise chickens, I can sell the eggs. I can sell the meat eventually. This makes me rich, and I can trade for goods that in turn make some guy who makes green pottery able to buy food and goods of his own. Without punishing people's incomes, it is now possible for people to help others out.

Just gonna correct you:
Trump made the deal with the Taliban and the timetable.  Biden just followed it and..wow, what do you know?  The Taliban just took the whole country exactly when Trump told them we'd leave.  Weird, right?

Nice job correcting me.

Only... when Trump handed off Afghanistan, it was on a silver platter. They just sign the deal, then let Afghanistan run itself with the knowledge they'll help out if Taliban makes trouble again.

Biden was like this...


He left in the middle of the night, and some troops and people we had worked with got left behind rather suddenly. Taliban was emboldened by our show of weakness. Even Time and CNN use the words "botched" and "Afghanistan" together in their headlines.

Dude, what are you talking about. Biden literally just followed the deal. The outcome was never going to be any different at all, because the situation was a shit show from the get go. Clearly nobody in Afghanistan gave a shit about the corrupt puppet government the US installed, and it collapsed immediately. This had nothing to do with either Trump or Biden. It was years in the making.

Nice job correcting me.

Only... when Trump handed off Afghanistan, it was on a silver platter. They just sign the deal, then let Afghanistan run itself with the knowledge they'll help out if Taliban makes trouble again.

Biden was like this...


He left in the middle of the night, and some troops and people we had worked with got left behind rather suddenly. Taliban was emboldened by our show of weakness. Even Time and CNN use the words "botched" and "Afghanistan" together in their headlines.

As PEZ said, that was the deal.  Biden left in the middle of the night because otherwise they'd have violated the agreement.  That Trump made with the Taliban.

And reminder: the Taliban was ripping through Afghanistan before the deadline and America was powerless (thanks to the deal) to stop them.

But hey, good on you for keeping up your delusions.

I don't get it.  Is Trump threatening Afghanistan with 100% tariffs?

Dude, what are you talking about. Biden literally just followed the deal. The outcome was never going to be any different at all, because the situation was a shit show from the get go. Clearly nobody in Afghanistan gave a shit about the corrupt puppet government the US installed, and it collapsed immediately. This had nothing to do with either Trump or Biden. It was years in the making.

Bullshit. If I was handed this deal that Biden was, here's what would have done.
1. Pledged to protect Afghanistan if they were ever attacked again.
2. Build modern facilities for a modern state (banks, schools, hospitals, etc)
3. Leave in a calm fashion, bringing any Afghanistanis who want to leave their shithole and who have helped the military fix their country in the past.
4. Leave the country with a sense that America will move in again, if any hostile action is attempted
5. If Taliban does try to move in again, work with native Afghanistanis to drive it out.

Instead, what Biden did was out of a different playbook.
1. Blame America first.
2. Destabilize countries so they are dependent on UN aid (Guess who drafted this playbook).
3. Open the borders so assholes from Afghanistan and every other shithole head to America for aid. Smuggle in some terrorists too, so they fuck with our country also.

Bullshit. If I was handed this deal that Biden was, here's what would have done.
1. Pledged to protect Afghanistan if they were ever attacked again.
2. Build modern facilities for a modern state (banks, schools, hospitals, etc)
3. Leave in a calm fashion, bringing any Afghanistanis who want to leave their shithole and who have helped the military fix their country in the past.
4. Leave the country with a sense that America will move in again, if any hostile action is attempted
5. If Taliban does try to move in again, work with native Afghanistanis to drive it out.

Instead, what Biden did was out of a different playbook.
1. Blame America first.
2. Destabilize countries so they are dependent on UN aid (Guess who drafted this playbook).
3. Open the borders so assholes from Afghanistan and every other shithole head to America for aid. Smuggle in some terrorists too, so they fuck with our country also.

1. That would violate the deal. That Trump made.

2. How would Biden do that within his first few months of the presidency? The US had been in Afghanistan for almost 20 years, it sounds like something that could have been done earlier. For instance by Trump, who was president for 4 years.

3. The fashion in which the US left would make no difference whatsoever. The Americans left in a haste because the Afghanistan government was already collapsing before they did.

4 and 5. So almost 20 years wasn't enough for you? Isn't that one of the reasons Trump made this deal in the first place? Are you saying that maybe he shouldn't have made the deal, and the US should have permanently stayed in Afghanistan?

This has nothing to do with Biden or Trump, and everything to do with the whole Afghanistan debacle being a horrible idea to begin with, spanning decades.

5. If Taliban does try to move in again, work with native Afghanistanis to drive it out.

The Taliban are native Afghans. 

Bullshit.

Muslim playbook:
1. Interbreed with a minority population (Ainu, Phillistines, Pakistani, etc)
2. Separate from the population.
3. Outpopulate the natives.
4.Take over.

The Taliban, as wikipedia is quick to tell you, are a Pashtun nationalist group (mixed with some Deobandi ideas).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
Okay, so who are the Pashtuns?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns

Pashtuns (/ˈpʌʃˌtʊn/, /ˈpɑːʃˌtʊn/, /ˈpæʃˌtuːn/; Pashto: پښتانه, romanized: Pəx̌tānə́), also known as Pakhtuns, or Pathans, are a nomadic, pastoral, eastern Iranic ethnic group primarily residing in northwestern Pakistan and southern and eastern Afghanistan.

They are nomads from Iran, there to impose Iranian Islam on Afghanistan.

Do me a favor and rent this film.

I'll wait.

The Taliban, as wikipedia is quick to tell you, are a Pashtun nationalist group (mixed with some Deobandi ideas).

And? 

They are nomads from Iran, there to impose Iranian Islam on Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has been Sunni Muslim since the 7th century, over a thousand years before the Pashtuns turned up in large numbers.  The Arabs brought Islam to Afghanistan, not the Pashtuns. 

They are 42% of the population and Tajiks (also of Iranian origin and language) are the next biggest at 27%. 

Who exactly are these "native Afghanistanis" that we should be working with to "drive out the Taliban"?

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The Taliban, as wikipedia is quick to tell you, are a Pashtun nationalist group (mixed with some Deobandi ideas).

And?

Pashtun are the lost tribe of Isrealis. Before the UN, there were no clear borders therefore people in afghanistan close to iran are iranian, close to pakistan are pashton, close to tajikistan are tajik. The same analogy can be applied to Punjabees in india and pakistan, Baluchee in pakistan and iran, sindi in pakistan and india, pashtoon in pakistan and afghanistan. 

in a nutshell boundaries were made in order to divide and control people. Quran says "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another" So basically the formation of pakistan was unislamic.

There should be no boundaries at all as the it is basic fundamental right of every human being to move wherever he wants on the earth w/o destroying the privacy of other families. So IMPOV the root cause of terrorism is making majority of the people prisoners and slave to work for the government in their respective countries.

"In a nutshell boundaries were made in order to divide and control people."

Wrong.

Boundaries are there so people don't get on each other's nerves and kill one another.

This world is ordered by bonds and boundaries, according to the word of Aiken. If you look at Trump culture, it is mainly boundaries with few bonds. Liberals and Muslims think that having boundaries of any sort is a sin. But let me give you this example. Your friends are invited to a party. But you, you are not invited. "How rude!" you say, and so you show up anyway. On entering, the man who invited your friends tells you why you were not invited. You stole his stuff, you raped his sister, and the last time you were invited, you stayed for days without leaving. He tells you it's better if you left. You don't leave. You barge into his kitchen, and start eating his food. Then you go upstairs and sleep in his bed. What does he finally do? He has to throw you out the window.

A person who does not respect the boundaries of another is a thief and a murderer. Because when someone says no, not respecting those boundaries means you do it anyway. Bonds (love, duty, other connections) still require some sort of boundaries, or people start deciding their feelings entitle them. Moving where you want by definition destroys the privacy of others. Even AI steal the art from others. It is impossible to live around others until you understand bonds and boundaries. Once you do, the situation is quite different, but there is a sizable difference between being invited to a body/house/city/nation and raping a woman's body/barging into a house/invading a city or country.

And no, the Pashtun are not the Diaspora. They are from Iran. Iran (originally Persia) is home to the Zoroastrians. Different group. But while we're on that topic, Allah is actually Ahriman. Zoroastrians have two gods: Ahura Mazda (Creator of Truth) and Ahriman (the Deceiver).  I believe there is a passage in the Quran about Allah being the greatest deceiver?

Boundaries are made to protect people. A threshold of a house means a door can be locked against wild animals and against thieves. The boundary of clothing means you don't freeze to death or get burns from heat, and don't get blisters from the sand. But I see, hijab is a boundary you put on your women but which you men don't observe themselves. Hypocrites! First observe your own boundaries and how they protect you before claiming they are control.
I charge you then to wear no clothes for a week and do not lock your door. Carry no weapons, and whenever someone asks you to do something, you must say yes. You must see how life is when you don't respect your own boundaries.

We don't think boundaries are a sin.  Personal boundaries are VERY important to us Liberals.
Not conservatives like to force us to confirm to their boundaries.

I was talking about the boundaries delineated by the united nation. BTW a tribe live in group which has a defined boundary but not marked. It depends upon the tribes men if outsider is accepted or not.

Personal boundaries are VERY important to us.

This was i meant.

We don't think boundaries are a sin.  Personal boundaries are VERY important to us Liberals.
Not conservatives like to force us to conform to their boundaries.

You hypocritically insist that others do the "merciful" thing and open their borders, and host immigrants. But when JK Rowlings, leftist extraordinaire writer who has multiple houses capable of rooming far more people than are actually in her family was asked by people like Paul Joseph Watson to maybe host a few illegals, she suddenly clammed up. Hmmm. She's not the only one though. During this Trump election, one of the ways conservatives trolled liberals was by offering to invite some sketchy immigrants to their houses. Surprisingly, they all got defensive.

Rules for thee, but not for me.

Oh yes, you like your own house secure. Armed bodyguards. Security system. You don't have to personally deal with those brown people that you claim to like. But poor conservatives, who just want to live alone in a farm, and have never ever claimed to being anything about wanting to welcome anyone, you string Biblical passages out of context on an extended guilt trip against them, who have no recourse against anyone wanting to rob or kill them.

They talk about the Good Samaritan and how "all of you should be like the Good Samaritan," welcoming others and caring for them. Did you notice something about that parable, though? There were multiple characters in that story:
1. The robbers
2. The beaten man
3. The Pharisee
4. The Levite
5. The Samaritan
6. The innkeeper

Jesus asks, "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?" And they mention the one who had mercy. Then he says to do likewise. Aside from the Pharisee and the Levite, who is excluded from that question? The robbers. When conservatives say "We don't want potential criminals over our borders," this is a valid objection. But you insist borders are hate, and it's okay for other people not to have any boundaries.

Okay. Alright. Host five convicted thieves in your house. If you are not a hypocrite, you can do this, I know. Meanwhile, unlike a hypocrite, I have already said "No thanks" to this idea.

There indeed is a purpose that we should do, and charity is a real thing. But armchair charity where other people have to take all the risks isn't helping anyone.

Quote from: Lorddave on February 02, 2025, 11:12:52 PM

We don't think boundaries are a sin.  Personal boundaries are VERY important to us Liberals.
Not conservatives like to force us to conform to their boundaries.

You hypocritically insist that others do the "merciful" thing and open their borders, and host immigrants. But when JK Rowlings, leftist extraordinaire writer who has multiple houses capable of rooming far more people than are actually in her family was asked by people like Paul Joseph Watson to maybe host a few illegals, she suddenly clammed up. Hmmm. She's not the only one though. During this Trump election, one of the ways conservatives trolled liberals was by offering to invite some sketchy immigrants to their houses. Surprisingly, they all got defensive.

Rules for thee, but not for me.

Oh yes, you like your own house secure. Armed bodyguards. Security system. You don't have to personally deal with those brown people that you claim to like. But poor conservatives, who just want to live alone in a farm, and have never ever claimed to being anything about wanting to welcome anyone, you string Biblical passages out of context on an extended guilt trip against them, who have no recourse against anyone wanting to rob or kill them.

They talk about the Good Samaritan and how "all of you should be like the Good Samaritan," welcoming others and caring for them. Did you notice something about that parable, though? There were multiple characters in that story:
1. The robbers
2. The beaten man
3. The Pharisee
4. The Levite
5. The Samaritan
6. The innkeeper

Jesus asks, "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?" And they mention the one who had mercy. Then he says to do likewise. Aside from the Pharisee and the Levite, who is excluded from that question? The robbers. When conservatives say "We don't want potential criminals over our borders," this is a valid objection. But you insist borders are hate, and it's okay for other people not to have any boundaries.

Okay. Alright. Host five convicted thieves in your house. If you are not a hypocrite, you can do this, I know. Meanwhile, unlike a hypocrite, I have already said "No thanks" to this idea.

There indeed is a purpose that we should do, and charity is a real thing. But armchair charity where other people have to take all the risks isn't helping anyone.

I'm talking personal boundaries not my house.
I'd like brown people to be given what they need so they can have their own house.  Possibly next to mine.  Because I wouldn't share my house with my own extended family, let alone strangers regardless of origin or situation.

Bullshit.

Muslim playbook:
1. Interbreed with a minority population (Ainu, Phillistines, Pakistani, etc)
2. Separate from the population.
3. Outpopulate the natives.
4.Take over.

The Taliban, as wikipedia is quick to tell you, are a Pashtun nationalist group (mixed with some Deobandi ideas).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
Okay, so who are the Pashtuns?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns

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Pashtuns (/ˈpʌʃˌtʊn/, /ˈpɑːʃˌtʊn/, /ˈpæʃˌtuːn/; Pashto: پښتانه, romanized: Pəx̌tānə́), also known as Pakhtuns, or Pathans, are a nomadic, pastoral, eastern Iranic ethnic group primarily residing in northwestern Pakistan and southern and eastern Afghanistan.

They are nomads from Iran, there to impose Iranian Islam on Afghanistan.

This is the stupidest thing I've read possibly all year.

No, what you just said was.

Some idiot said Taliban were the native Afghanis.

I looked it up. They're not. They are an invading culture imposing moral laws on a struggling country. I country with actually a history of invasion.

You say it's stupid rather than spend the mental energy to realize, "Holy crap, that's right!"

You somehow think this is native to Afghani way of life, you're greatly deceived. This isn't indigenous culture, it's a foreign empire trying to take over. The distance from Kabul, Afghanistan to Mecca is 2700 miles. Under no natural circumstances would Afghanistan share the religious or political ideas of Saudi Arabia. This is imported religion and imported culture.

No, what you just said was.

Some idiot said Taliban were the native Afghanis.

I looked it up. They're not. They are an invading culture imposing moral laws on a struggling country. I country with actually a history of invasion.

You say it's stupid rather than spend the mental energy to realize, "Holy crap, that's right!"

You somehow think this is native to Afghani way of life, you're greatly deceived. This isn't indigenous culture, it's a foreign empire trying to take over. The distance from Kabul, Afghanistan to Mecca is 2700 miles. Under no natural circumstances would Afghanistan share the religious or political ideas of Saudi Arabia. This is imported religion and imported culture.

When did the Taliban's culture move in and invade Afghanistan?

No, what you just said was.

Some idiot said Taliban were the native Afghanis.

I looked it up. They're not. They are an invading culture imposing moral laws on a struggling country. I country with actually a history of invasion.

You say it's stupid rather than spend the mental energy to realize, "Holy crap, that's right!"

You somehow think this is native to Afghani way of life, you're greatly deceived. This isn't indigenous culture, it's a foreign empire trying to take over. The distance from Kabul, Afghanistan to Mecca is 2700 miles. Under no natural circumstances would Afghanistan share the religious or political ideas of Saudi Arabia. This is imported religion and imported culture.

Are you trolling? Taliban (and Pashtuns in general, who are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan, although not all Taliban are Pashtun) ARE native Afghanis. And almost every other ethnic group within Afghanistan is also Muslim.

The distance of Texas to Jerusalem is far greater, how come there are Christians in Texas? Wait, bad example, they did invade native Americans... Ok, better example, Norway. Why are there christians in Norway? Are they a foreign empire taking over? Are Christians in Texas and Norway not really Texans and Norwegians because Christianity comes from Palestine, which is far away?

Which foreign empire is taking over? Because you said Iran before (since you saw that Pashtuns are an Iranic ethnic group, which is a different thing from them being Iranian, just like there's Turkic people in Afghanistan, without it meaning they are from Turkey) but the Taliban are Sunni, while Iran is officially Shia. They're different creeds. In fact, the Taliban persecute Shias such as the Hazara ethnic group, who are predominantly Shia (and they are also Iranic!).

Ok, let's try to find these "native" Afghans. Clearly they can't be Iranic, and they can't be Muslim. Are Turkic people allowed? Let's say they are allowed, as long as they are not Muslim. Well, the non-Muslim part kinda excludes most of them, Wikipedia says 89.7% are Sunni and 10% Shia, which leaves a 0.3% of real, native Afghans.

Wikipedia says that of that 0.3%, some people are adherents of Bahai faith, but that religion was founded in the 19th century in another country, while Afghanistan has been Muslim for centuries. Let's try the next group. There are a few Sikhs and Hindus. Both these religions are from India, and Sikhs are fairly recent, so I don't know if they count. There are also some Zoroastrians, but this is an Iranian religion, and an unknown small number of christians. Something tells me that you believe christians count as native wherever they are, so I guess we did it! We found the real native Afghans! They are the 20 christians that live somewhere in Afghanistan! Except they probably belong to some Iranic or Turkic ethnic group (maybe even Pashtuns!) so that's tough luck. I guess there are no real Afghans after all!

Clearly you have it all worked out, so who are the real, non-Muslim, non-Iranic, native Afghans? Because I couldn't find them.

Taliban is a pushto word. Talib means student while Taliban means students. There are lots of seminaries (religious school) in pakistan mostly funded by arab countries especially saudi arabia. Most of their students are from poor family background who can't afford their going to secular schools. These arab countries interested in funding warlords, seminaries etc but they don't rebuild Afghanistan's infrastructure schools hospitals and other institutions - no idea why?

There are different school of thoughts of sharia which are in conflict with one another e.g in divorcing a woman, marriages agreement, inheritance law etc. Sometime i 'm thinking USA/ western countries might be doing social experiment on afghanistan by imposing sharia on the people of afghanistan.

I think native word would be disappear from dictionary very soon as people move from one place to another as they are not static.

Currently, it seems Trump has a delusional disorder. He is creating problems not only for americans but also for the other countries including friendly. I'm guessing His term would be very short.

Are you trolling? Taliban (and Pashtuns in general, who are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan, although not all Taliban are Pashtun) ARE native Afghanis. And almost every other ethnic group within Afghanistan is also Muslim.

Do me a favor and stop parroting idiotic ideas.

Pashtuns

Iranic ethnic group native to Afghanistan and Pakistan

Pashtuns, also known as Pakhtuns, or Pathans, are a nomadic, pastoral, eastern Iranic ethnic group primarily residing in northwestern Pakistan and southern and eastern Afghanistan.

Look, look, it says they are native to there! It must be... sorry, this is why we have critical thinking.

They are an ethnic group from Iran. They are nomads from another country who move around between Pakistan and Afghanistan. I am European-American, for my ancestors came from European and settled in America. Linguistically they are Iranian. I imagine if you did a genetic test, you'd find the same. Have they been native Afghanistan residents? Not hardly. They don't identify with true Afghani culture. They exported Islam from Iran.
Back to me being Eruopean-American. I am culturally American. I don't try to speak some native language, I don't try to make over the country I reside. These people are in every way Iranian.
And no, it doesn't matter how much time their people have stayed there. The people of Afghanistan are largely Iranian, but their classical religions were Zoroastrian, Hinduism, and Buddhism. Not Islam. Moreover, it highly probable that the ACTUAL Afghanis are the Nuristani, who are Animists.

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Are you trolling? Taliban (and Pashtuns in general, who are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan, although not all Taliban are Pashtun) ARE native Afghanis. And almost every other ethnic group within Afghanistan is also Muslim.

Do me a favor and stop parroting idiotic ideas.

Pashtuns

Quote from: wikipedia

Iranic ethnic group native to Afghanistan and Pakistan

Pashtuns, also known as Pakhtuns, or Pathans, are a nomadic, pastoral, eastern Iranic ethnic group primarily residing in northwestern Pakistan and southern and eastern Afghanistan.

Look, look, it says they are native to there! It must be... sorry, this is why we have critical thinking.

They are an ethnic group from Iran. They are nomads from another country who move around between Pakistan and Afghanistan. I am European-American, for my ancestors came from European and settled in America. Linguistically they are Iranian. I imagine if you did a genetic test, you'd find the same. Have they been native Afghanistan residents? Not hardly. They don't identify with true Afghani culture. They exported Islam from Iran.
Back to me being Eruopean-American. I am culturally American. I don't try to speak some native language, I don't try to make over the country I reside. These people are in every way Iranian.
And no, it doesn't matter how much time their people have stayed there. The people of Afghanistan are largely Iranian, but their classical religions were Zoroastrian, Hinduism, and Buddhism. Not Islam. Moreover, it highly probable that the ACTUAL Afghanis are the Nuristani, who are Animists.

Afghanistan has been Islamic for centuries, genius. If they had recently exported Islam from Iran, they would have been Shia, not Sunni. How the fuck are the Iranian when they absolutely don't live in Iran and never have lived in (modern day) Iran?

Iranic people are those who speak some Iranian language. Americans are not English. Australians are not English. Canadians are not English. The Irish are not English. But they all speak English. I counted 18 anglophone countries that are NOT England. You say you are American. But according to your logic, you are just "English in every way", are currently invading the US, and you are very much making over the US and exporting Christianity, because you are replacing native American, non-christian culture. There is no difference between you and the Pashtun, except the Pasthun have actually been there for wayyyy longer, and they didn't colonize the place, they organically moved there before the US existed, before modern Iran existed, and before Islam existed.

Do you know why Iran is now called Iran instead of Persia? Because Persians are only one of numerous Iranic ethnic groups (very distinct from Pashtun, Pashtun are eastern Iranic while Persians are western Iranic, they separated long ago) that live within Iran, and "Iran" is viewed as more inclusive a name than Persia. Iranic people do not come from Iran. They come from a much larger region that spans many different countries, including Afghanistan. They are also not all the same, there is many different ethnic groups, just like Slavic people come from many different countries, Germanic people don't all come from Germany, and anglos are not all from England.

Actually, Iranic people didn't even originate from modern Iran. Here's what the wiki page on Iranic people says:

The Proto-Iranians are believed to have emerged as a separate branch of the Indo-Iranians in Central Asia around the mid-2nd millennium BC.

They came from central Asia, which includes Afghanistan. So, plot twist, it's the other way around, they migrated from Afghanistan to Iran.

Now about your Nuristanis. Congrats, you found the one ethnic group that is maybe not entirely Muslim! Except they kind of are, for about a century or so, even though they were forced into it. So yeah, it's true, some parts of Afghanistan followed other religions until a few centuries ago. Except there are some huge problems with your theory:

1) Nuristanis are about 2% of the population of Afghanistan. They're a tiny tiny group.

2) They're also Muslim now. Actually I found that there were big fights between Taliban and ISIS in Nuristan some years ago because ISIS was recruiting Nuristanis (ISIS and the Taliban are enemies, I'm just saying because you probably think they are the same thing given all the weird shit you've said so far)

3) Nuristanis are ALSO Iranic. Yep.

The people of Afghanistan are largely Iranian, but their classical religions were Zoroastrian, Hinduism, and Buddhism. Not Islam.[\quote]

By the same token, the historical religion of Europeans is various forms of paganism, so christian Europeans are not actual Europeans. The only actual Europeans are the tiny fringe larpers who profess to be pagans. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Most of Afghanistan converted to Islam BEFORE the Baltic states and most of Poland. Go tell the polish, one of the most hardcore christian countries in Europe, that they are actually confused, or fake Polish, because their historical religion is paganism and not Christianity LMAO