Hypothetical Question for the most FERVENT / Hardened Flat Earth Believer/s

If you had the opportunity would you go to space?

If you had the opportunity would you go to space?

Wonder if Space Cowgirl will post?  The individual seems to be a flat earther.  The name seems ironic to me? 

Why only for hardcore Flat Earthers?  Interesting question for anyone.

I am not a Flat Earther, and I would not.  Unless I was doing important work there or the whole energy and climate thing got sorted.  Neither seem likely any time soon.

Space tourism should be outlawed before the uber rich develop a new fad to fuck the rest of us over with.

Space tourism should be outlawed before the uber rich develop a new fad to fuck the rest of us over with.

Not sure what you mean by this statement?

BUT

"Unconvinced", if I paid, the approx. $ 600,000 USD,  for your "ticket", would you go?

‘Space’ doesn’t exist, so nobody can go into a non-existent area made up by those who made up the ball Earth lie. After they told us Earth was a ball, black skies were a perfect illusion for an endless area their ball Earth would be. 

At the time they told us this disgusting story, nobody had any idea about what was actually above Earth, but up to that point, the Bible described it as having a Firmament above Earth that held waters within it, separate from waters on Earth below.

That Earth did not move, it was fixed in position. That all things we see above Earth, the Sun and stars and moon were placed beneath the Firmament.

Nobody knew if these things were true or not, but had no reason to doubt it was true, and they had explored the entire surface of Earth and mapped it as a flat surface encircled by a massive wall of ice that extended out from its walls.

Many years later, the telescope came along, as a development from optical technology, that allowed us to magnify objects far away. 

They were first used on ships, to view over seas, for land and enemy ships. 

But later on, they had developed instruments with ever more magnification, yet they never used them on ships, even though it would have made sense to do so.

Because these instruments could see the stars and moon in details that had never been seen before.

Telescopes were deemed to be exclusively used by a brand new science, which was formed by the Royal elite, in Europe.

Before that time, new instruments were sold freely for profit, as any other product was.

So why didn’t they use Galileo’s telescope or similar instruments on ships, or sell them like other instruments were sold before?

Because their ball Earth lie would not work if we saw through telescopes.

‘Space’ or the area above Earth we see, was deemed to be the exclusive close up view of the worlds elite, who alone could use these new, powerful instruments.

There’s no reason that Galileo’s telescope was his alone, that none other could be made and sold to the world.

They told us that the telescope - was to be used and owned by their newly formed science, called Astronomy.

Only their astronomers could have telescopes, and only they could see through telescopes, nobody else.

No other telescopes shall be built and sold to any others but to astronomers.

The first telescopes ever sold to others, was about 400 years later than Galileo’s telescope was built, and it was quite small, only about twice the size of previous scopes used on ships, and would’ve easily fit on ships, as well.

They were no different to see over waters or land than scopes were. They simply were more powerful in magnification than previous scopes were.

But they were able to see stars and moon up close, and that they were close enough to Earth to see them in detail, and see that they all were in motion, and were unique from the other stars.

That’s why they never let us have or see through telescopes, until they told us what they saw of them, over and over for centuries, until the world believed everything they told us was the truth.

That’s what you believe is called ‘space’, a lie they made up long ago and has been believed to be true, to this very day.

It’s purely a great lie, and it can easily be proven as a lie, but they won’t ever prove themselves liars, so it’s not yet proven beyond any doubt.

Their lie will eventually fall to pieces, it is inevitable.

That will be a most glorious day, though I doubt I’ll see it myself.

‘Space’ doesn’t exist, so nobody can go into a non-existent area made up by those who made up the ball Earth lie. After they told us Earth was a ball, black skies were a perfect illusion for an endless area their ball Earth would be.

Even in your delusional fantasy, space, i.e. the region outside Earth's atmosphere, DOES exist.
All it would take to get there in your fantasy is to go through your magic dome.

But more importantly, there are mountains of evidence supporting the existence of space.
All you can do to dismiss that is dismiss it all as lies because it doesn't match your delusional fantasy.
You have NOTHING to show otherwise.

And no, your shitty little book, full of so much BS it isn't funny, is not evidence, it is worthless.

At the time they told us this disgusting story, nobody had any idea about what was actually above Earth, but up to that point, the Bible described it as having a Firmament above Earth that held waters within it, separate from waters on Earth below.

That Earth did not move, it was fixed in position. That all things we see above Earth, the Sun and stars and moon were placed beneath the Firmament.

Correction:
At the time the Bible authors made THEIR BS STORY, people didn't know any better to call out the BS.
But now we do.
We recognise the Bible has pure BS.

they had explored the entire surface of Earth and mapped it as a flat surface encircled by a massive wall of ice that extended out from its walls.

That is yet another entirely baseless claim from you.

But later on, they had developed instruments with ever more magnification, yet they never used them on ships, even though it would have made sense to do so.

No it wouldn't. Not without something to hold it steady, as otherwise you would end up pointing it all over the place and not seeing anything clearly through it.

Telescopes were deemed to be exclusively used by a brand new science, which was formed by the Royal elite, in Europe.
Before that time, new instruments were sold freely for profit, as any other product was.

And more baseless BS.
Again, Herschel sold his telescope.
No one was prevented from making their own and you could buy them.

But this was primarily a product which very few people wanted.
Most people cared more about living than looking at things in the sky.

Because their ball Earth lie would not work if we saw through telescopes.

Why?
You again assert pure BS with no justification at all.

Only their astronomers could have telescopes, and only they could see through telescopes, nobody else.

Says who?

But they were able to see stars and moon up close, and that they were close enough to Earth to see them in detail, and see that they all were in motion, and were unique from the other stars.

That is another baseless claim of yours that you are yet to substantiate in any way.

That’s what you believe is called ‘space’, a lie they made up long ago and has been believed to be true, to this very day.

No, the lies are what you have been continually spouting.

It’s purely a great lie, and it can easily be proven as a lie

Yet you refuse to do so and instead demand everyone else proves you wrong.

Their lie will eventually fall to pieces, it is inevitable.

Your lies have already fallen to pieces, you just don't want to admit it.

‘Space’ doesn’t exist, so nobody can go into a non-existent area made up by those who made up the ball Earth lie.

So?  What are meteorites and comets?  And why can’t humankind travel in the paths of comets? 

‘Space’ doesn’t exist, so nobody can go into a non-existent area made up by those who made up the ball Earth lie. After they told us Earth was a ball, black skies were a perfect illusion for an endless area their ball Earth would be. 

At the time they told us this disgusting story, nobody had any idea about what was actually above Earth, but up to that point, the Bible described it as having a Firmament above Earth that held waters within it, separate from waters on Earth below.

That Earth did not move, it was fixed in position. That all things we see above Earth, the Sun and stars and moon were placed beneath the Firmament.

Then what the hell is outside the Firmament? Aether or somthing?

Nobody knew if these things were true or not, but had no reason to doubt it was true, and they had explored the entire surface of Earth and mapped it as a flat surface encircled by a massive wall of ice that extended out from its walls.

You mean you are refusing all the evidence that the Earth is a round ball and still claim that the Earth is flat?

Many years later, the telescope came along, as a development from optical technology, that allowed us to magnify objects far away. 

They were first used on ships, to view over seas, for land and enemy ships. 

But later on, they had developed instruments with ever more magnification, yet they never used them on ships, even though it would have made sense to do so.

Why would the billion-dollar telescope look at a ship when there are multiple cheap telescope looking at them every single day? It is like assassinating Fidel Castro with a nuclear bomb.

Because these instruments could see the stars and moon in details that had never been seen before.

A random telescope from amazon.com can do the job.

Telescopes were deemed to be exclusively used by a brand new science, which was formed by the Royal elite, in Europe.

Before that time, new instruments were sold freely for profit, as any other product was.

I don't think you need a permit to buy a telescope from amazon.com, plus what is stopping you to make a telescope anyway?

So why didn’t they use Galileo’s telescope or similar instruments on ships, or sell them like other instruments were sold before?

Because their ball Earth lie would not work if we saw through telescopes.

Just buy a telescope and point it to a ship my friend.

‘Space’ or the area above Earth we see, was deemed to be the exclusive close up view of the worlds elite, who alone could use these new, powerful instruments.

So the stars are also fake? They are a hoax made up by the government?

There’s no reason that Galileo’s telescope was his alone, that none other could be made and sold to the world.

They told us that the telescope - was to be used and owned by their newly formed science, called Astronomy.

Only their astronomers could have telescopes, and only they could see through telescopes, nobody else.

No other telescopes shall be built and sold to any others but to astronomers.

Here is what I got after 5 second of google:
https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=telescope&crid=2E6R3N7OTDUFG&sprefix=telescope%2Caps%2C174&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

The first telescopes ever sold to others, was about 400 years later than Galileo’s telescope was built, and it was quite small, only about twice the size of previous scopes used on ships, and would’ve easily fit on ships, as well.

Yeah, because prior to that, people are worrying about not dying from diseases, world wars and world hunger. Plus you can really buy some big telescopes now my friend, use the amazon link.

They were no different to see over waters or land than scopes were. They simply were more powerful in magnification than previous scopes were.

But they were able to see stars and moon up close, and that they were close enough to Earth to see them in detail, and see that they all were in motion, and were unique from the other stars.

That’s why they never let us have or see through telescopes, until they told us what they saw of them, over and over for centuries, until the world believed everything they told us was the truth.

False, did you even attempt to search the word telescope on amazon.com?

That’s what you believe is called ‘space’, a lie they made up long ago and has been believed to be true, to this very day.

It’s purely a great lie, and it can easily be proven as a lie, but they won’t ever prove themselves liars, so it’s not yet proven beyond any doubt.

Their lie will eventually fall to pieces, it is inevitable.

That will be a most glorious day, though I doubt I’ll see it myself.

Space is a lie because telescopes are outlawed? I have a telescope and I am not in jail being tortured 24/7, just search the word telescope on amazon.com, I am sure the result will shock you.

‘Space’ doesn’t exist, so nobody can go.

Maybe "some" are already "out there"?

Because their ball Earth lie would not work if we saw through telescopes.

Incorrect.  Telescopes found that it was the geocentric universe that would not work.

Quote from: Unconvinced on September 05, 2024, 02:59:26 AM

Space tourism should be outlawed before the uber rich develop a new fad to fuck the rest of us over with.

Not sure what you mean by this statement?

BUT

"Unconvinced", if I paid, the approx. $ 600,000 USD,  for your "ticket", would you go?

No, I wouldn’t.  Wouldn’t say no to cash if you really insisted, though.

The carbon footprint of rocket launches is enormous.  That’s acceptable for useful satellites that benefit society, probes and space telescopes for genuine scientific discovery, keeping a human crew on the ISS doing actual work, etc. 

Not for stupidly rich selfish people to do a few orbits just for a joy ride, IMO.  The private jets, floating gin palaces and the rest is bad enough as it is.  They don’t need even more wasteful hobbies to burn through the planet’s limited resources.

No, I wouldn’t.  Wouldn’t say no to cash if you really insisted, though.

The carbon footprint of rocket launches is enormous.  That’s acceptable for useful satellites that benefit society, probes and space telescopes for genuine scientific discovery, keeping a human crew on the ISS doing actual work, etc. 

Not for stupidly rich selfish people to do a few orbits just for a joy ride, IMO.  The private jets, floating gin palaces and the rest is bad enough as it is.  They don’t need even more wasteful hobbies to burn through the planet’s limited resources.

What if it was fuelled with hydrogen, obtained from electrolysis of water, powered by solar power?

Quote from: Unconvinced on October 17, 2024, 12:41:02 AM

No, I wouldn’t.  Wouldn’t say no to cash if you really insisted, though.

The carbon footprint of rocket launches is enormous.  That’s acceptable for useful satellites that benefit society, probes and space telescopes for genuine scientific discovery, keeping a human crew on the ISS doing actual work, etc. 

Not for stupidly rich selfish people to do a few orbits just for a joy ride, IMO.  The private jets, floating gin palaces and the rest is bad enough as it is.  They don’t need even more wasteful hobbies to burn through the planet’s limited resources.

What if it was fuelled with hydrogen, obtained from electrolysis of water, powered by solar power?

Then the hydrogen should be used to decarbonise something else.  Use it as back up for intermittent renewable power, for transport fuel, manufacturing processes or something. 

It would still be a massive waste of energy at a time when we need to find ways to make a very difficult energy transition.

Having more money than they know what to do with should not be a license to waste the resources that need managing for everyone’s benefit or to unnecessarily wreck the planet we all share.

If we ever get to the point where we’ve cleaned up our act and have massive amounts of clean energy going spare, then I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

‘Space’ doesn’t exist, so nobody can go into a non-existent area made up by those who made up the ball Earth lie. After they told us Earth was a ball, black skies were a perfect illusion for an endless area their ball Earth would be. 

At the time they told us this disgusting story, nobody had any idea about what was actually above Earth, but up to that point, the Bible described it as having a Firmament above Earth that held waters within it, separate from waters on Earth below.

That Earth did not move, it was fixed in position. That all things we see above Earth, the Sun and stars and moon were placed beneath the Firmament.

Nobody knew if these things were true or not, but had no reason to doubt it was true, and they had explored the entire surface of Earth and mapped it as a flat surface encircled by a massive wall of ice that extended out from its walls.

Many years later, the telescope came along, as a development from optical technology, that allowed us to magnify objects far away. 

They were first used on ships, to view over seas, for land and enemy ships. 

But later on, they had developed instruments with ever more magnification, yet they never used them on ships, even though it would have made sense to do so.

Because these instruments could see the stars and moon in details that had never been seen before.

Telescopes were deemed to be exclusively used by a brand new science, which was formed by the Royal elite, in Europe.

Before that time, new instruments were sold freely for profit, as any other product was.

So why didn’t they use Galileo’s telescope or similar instruments on ships, or sell them like other instruments were sold before?

Because their ball Earth lie would not work if we saw through telescopes.

‘Space’ or the area above Earth we see, was deemed to be the exclusive close up view of the worlds elite, who alone could use these new, powerful instruments.

There’s no reason that Galileo’s telescope was his alone, that none other could be made and sold to the world.

They told us that the telescope - was to be used and owned by their newly formed science, called Astronomy.

Only their astronomers could have telescopes, and only they could see through telescopes, nobody else.

No other telescopes shall be built and sold to any others but to astronomers.

The first telescopes ever sold to others, was about 400 years later than Galileo’s telescope was built, and it was quite small, only about twice the size of previous scopes used on ships, and would’ve easily fit on ships, as well.

They were no different to see over waters or land than scopes were. They simply were more powerful in magnification than previous scopes were.

But they were able to see stars and moon up close, and that they were close enough to Earth to see them in detail, and see that they all were in motion, and were unique from the other stars.

That’s why they never let us have or see through telescopes, until they told us what they saw of them, over and over for centuries, until the world believed everything they told us was the truth.

That’s what you believe is called ‘space’, a lie they made up long ago and has been believed to be true, to this very day.

It’s purely a great lie, and it can easily be proven as a lie, but they won’t ever prove themselves liars, so it’s not yet proven beyond any doubt.

Their lie will eventually fall to pieces, it is inevitable.

That will be a most glorious day, though I doubt I’ll see it myself.

You're right.

You will never ever see "their lie fall to pieces."

A non-existent lie can't fall to pieces, can it? It needs to exist in the first place.

The world has progressed since the inception of the dopey bible. Looks like some people have been left behind.

On a clear night, I don't need a telescope to see outer space. I can see it quite fine without a telescope.

After you satisfy her needs, ask your mommy if you can go outside your dungeon tonight and look at the stars and outer space.

Then the hydrogen should be used to decarbonise something else.  Use it as back up for intermittent renewable power, for transport fuel, manufacturing processes or something. 

It would still be a massive waste of energy at a time when we need to find ways to make a very difficult energy transition.

Having more money than they know what to do with should not be a license to waste the resources that need managing for everyone’s benefit or to unnecessarily wreck the planet we all share.

If we ever get to the point where we’ve cleaned up our act and have massive amounts of clean energy going spare, then I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

I think you grossly overestimate how much is needed for space tourism and how little is needed for other things.

e.g. The New Shepard has an estimated launch mass of roughly 75 t, and a dry mass of 25 t. That gives 50 t for fuel and oxidiser.
Assuming it is in the ideal 2:1 ratio for Hydrogen to Oxygen, by atom, that gives roughly 11% hydrogen or roughly 5.6 t of hydrogen.
Converting to hydrocarbon mass based upon energy density (120 vs 44 MJ/kg) that would be equivalent to roughly 15 t of hydrocarbon based fuel.
That would be enough to fuel a smaller variant of a 737 or roughly 30 hours of cruise flight time for a Learjet 75.

If you instead converted it to coal that would be roughly 67 t of coal, which would power a small (1000 MW) coal power station for roughly 30 minutes.

Just based upon the energy density, that 5.6 t of hydrogen would have roughly 670 GJ of energy. For the crew of 6 that would be roughly 112 GJ each.
If that was used in a year continually, that would amount to a power of roughly 3.9 kW.
If instead you want to do it as a once in a lifetime thing, and put in a life expectancy of 90 years, that would cut it down to roughly 40 W.
So that would be roughly equivalent to getting a minifridge, or using an old incandescent light which was left on.
Even using LED lights, that can be roughly 4 lights.

There are vastly more wasteful things which the rich have access to.

Right.  Just equivalent to 30 hours of Learjet flight time for a 12 minute suborbital joy ride.  Ignoring of course the energy required to liquify the hydrogen and oxygen, building and maintaining the space craft, the entire ground operation, etc.  Oh, and the filthy rich are probably taking their Learjets to and from the launch and landing sites anyway.

Personally I’d like to see the likes of Learjets clamped down hard on too, but I doubt that will ever happen.  At least they are transport though, and serve some useful purpose, as extravagant and wasteful as they are.

Of course you can make the energy costs look insignificant by averaging out what it takes to power a 12 minute thrill over an entire lifetime. 

Despite any claims that’s “carbon neutral”, it’s really another enormously wasteful extravagance on top of all the others they already have.

And my point is that it isn't really all that enormous compared to everything else.

Seems pretty enormous for a 12 minute experience to me.

Would I be allowed to Livestream it?

A week with no answer .....

Of course globularists wouldn't allow me to Livestream such an event. Obviously should have known better.

I would go into orbit but never beyond because I find the idea outrageous and absurd. I'm cool with high or low orbit as a way to study photons and the like. Why?

‘Space’ doesn’t exist, so nobody can go into a non-existent area made up by those who made up the ball Earth lie. After they told us Earth was a ball, black skies were a perfect illusion for an endless area their ball Earth would be. 

At the time they told us this disgusting story, nobody had any idea about what was actually above Earth, but up to that point, the Bible described it as having a Firmament above Earth that held waters within it, separate from waters on Earth below.

That Earth did not move, it was fixed in position. That all things we see above Earth, the Sun and stars and moon were placed beneath the Firmament.

Nobody knew if these things were true or not, but had no reason to doubt it was true, and they had explored the entire surface of Earth and mapped it as a flat surface encircled by a massive wall of ice that extended out from its walls.

Many years later, the telescope came along, as a development from optical technology, that allowed us to magnify objects far away. 

They were first used on ships, to view over seas, for land and enemy ships. 

But later on, they had developed instruments with ever more magnification, yet they never used them on ships, even though it would have made sense to do so.

Because these instruments could see the stars and moon in details that had never been seen before.

Telescopes were deemed to be exclusively used by a brand new science, which was formed by the Royal elite, in Europe.

Before that time, new instruments were sold freely for profit, as any other product was.

So why didn’t they use Galileo’s telescope or similar instruments on ships, or sell them like other instruments were sold before?

Because their ball Earth lie would not work if we saw through telescopes.

‘Space’ or the area above Earth we see, was deemed to be the exclusive close up view of the worlds elite, who alone could use these new, powerful instruments.

There’s no reason that Galileo’s telescope was his alone, that none other could be made and sold to the world.

They told us that the telescope - was to be used and owned by their newly formed science, called Astronomy.

Only their astronomers could have telescopes, and only they could see through telescopes, nobody else.

No other telescopes shall be built and sold to any others but to astronomers.

The first telescopes ever sold to others, was about 400 years later than Galileo’s telescope was built, and it was quite small, only about twice the size of previous scopes used on ships, and would’ve easily fit on ships, as well.

They were no different to see over waters or land than scopes were. They simply were more powerful in magnification than previous scopes were.

But they were able to see stars and moon up close, and that they were close enough to Earth to see them in detail, and see that they all were in motion, and were unique from the other stars.

That’s why they never let us have or see through telescopes, until they told us what they saw of them, over and over for centuries, until the world believed everything they told us was the truth.

That’s what you believe is called ‘space’, a lie they made up long ago and has been believed to be true, to this very day.

It’s purely a great lie, and it can easily be proven as a lie, but they won’t ever prove themselves liars, so it’s not yet proven beyond any doubt.

Their lie will eventually fall to pieces, it is inevitable.

That will be a most glorious day, though I doubt I’ll see it myself.

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