The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

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There is no wind. The guy has no glove or hat (and doesn't appear to need them). They talk about how the mountains appear abnormally close "but are really miles away" when no, they look unaccountably close. The ground they walk on doesn't seem to leave tracks. He has to walk to a certain point to gather snow. And he has to walk into his shed (to get gloves, he says) and comes back after several tries of blowing out air (they think he used a vape), then breathes out and picks up snow. It looks staged and unnatural. The shadow stretches like there is a nearby light source. These are all things you're chosing to ignore.

So, what you are saying is, if I were to film a person walking around a football field in early morning sun, with the sun in front of me, low on the horizon, the shadow of the person walking around, wouldn't look similar to what we see on TFE footage? It's just perspective, that's all.

But go ahead and prove me wrong, Bulma.

Actually, what I said was quite a number of things. Let's add two more.

• Remember that cold breath? There are offscreen camera angles of him walking into his cabin, vaping, and then breathing out into a camera.
• But even if there weren't, the video I saw had about four failed attempts to show breath. He gave a lame excuse about how dry it is. Then finally "Now look at my breath."
• You know, when you're doing anything real, it looks natural. But the fact that he had to tell us about it was a giant red flag. "Het look at my breath!" Or "Look here's a drone! I can't be inside a green screen!" Or "There's a container that's green. I can't be inside a green screen." Posers try to convince an audience. Terrible actors try to convince an audience. A good actor or a person who is not acting doesn't pose. They belong. They are so natural that you believe they are on a ship. Or in the latter case, they are on a ship.
• Speaking of which, this man had to acquire gloves and a hat. He "had to pick them up" to pick up a single snowball, and the hat was given to him by the other guy.
• He wasn't shivering. Let me repeat that. He was out for 24 hour looking at this sun in below freezing, yet he was not wearing hat or gloves, not did he give any visible signs of shivering, frostbite, hypothermia, etc.  I think I did maybe two hours of snow shoveling this week all totalled, the first day, I was not only sore, but fatigued from the cold.
• He has to go to a specific spot to collect snow. It's there that you notice he is not only stage blocking because there's a wall there, but that most of the floor is not real ground. They don't appear tobe leaving tracks.
• No wind, no snowfall, no sound of weather. Outside in the cold, the wind literally whistles as it rushes through people's clothing.
  
• He is correct, this is not a green screen. It's the same tech used in the Mandalorian. A very real-looking 360° screen. Unlike a green screen, there is no green color issue, but there were visual glitches. When the sun passed behind him, there was a flicker near his face where he says "oops" and adjusts the camera.
• The shadows look unaccountably large, and the background looks unaccountably close. The shadow would vary so much only if there were a nearby light source.
• The drone is making proximity beeps the whole time that it backs up. Like it doesn't want to hit something. Like a wall or something.

For that matter, this is what it says about the snow making done by ski resorts and the like (under Environmental Impact):

Artificial snow takes around two to three weeks longer to melt than does natural snow.

This is because the formula for artificial snow is slightly different than real snow (high mineral content). So that "snow" was shipped in.

A fottbal field, you say? No, it wouldn't.

Let's give this football field all the trimmings:


fresh grass cleared of snow, surrounding snow, sunlight on ground, overcast sky, unevenly removed snow, buildings, plants, football l stadium stuff (lights, marker lines, goalposts). This might have been made by AI but it looks real enough.

Unlike your picture, the sun gives proper shadows. The flag waves slightly. You can see twerp kids running because of a sadist teacher. The details match up. Except that the kids appear to be wearing shorts (but unlike your "final experiment" this can be explained by the aforementioned sadism). The trees have snow on them and have lost of leaves (this tells us that unlike in Hallmark films where it snows but there are green leaves, it actually is winter). Little details are what proves a shot true or false.

That was pretty much me, not Eric Dubay. Now, he had pointed some stuff out, but not the shivering. Nor the gloves. Nor the bit about artificial snow.

Actually, what I said was quite a number of things. Let's add two more.

None of which show anything wrong with it.

Remember that cold breath? There are offscreen camera angles of him walking into his cabin, vaping, and then breathing out into a camera.

You mean the angles which show the 24 hour sun?
The thing you reject as fake.
More importantly, SO WHAT?

That doesn't show anything is fake.

]You know, when you're doing anything real, it looks natural. But the fact that he had to tell us about it was a giant red flag.

Not when you are dealing with dishonest people like you, and instead they attempt to call out dishonest BS excuses that would be used.

Speaking of which, this man had to acquire gloves and a hat.

So what?

He wasn't shivering.

So what?

Let me repeat that. He was out for 24 hour looking at this sun in below freezing, yet he was not wearing hat or gloves, not did he give any visible signs of shivering, frostbite, hypothermia, etc.

And for how long was he out in the snow in these below freezing temperatures?
How hot is it in the direct sun?

He has to go to a specific spot to collect snow.

Does he? Or did he just go to a spot which hadn't been repeatedly trampled?

They don't appear tobe leaving tracks.

You mean you don't see them leaving tracks.
But have you actually checked?

No wind, no snowfall, no sound of weather. Outside in the cold, the wind literally whistles as it rushes through people's clothing.

You left out an important condition, WHEN IT IS WINDY. When it isn't windy, the wind doesn't whistle as it rushes through clothing.

Likewise, it will not necessarily snow within a 24 hour period.

It's the same tech used in the Mandalorian. A very real-looking 360° screen.

Prove it.

but there were visual glitches.

Prove it.
Provide a link to the video that shows this and an exact timestamp.

The shadows look unaccountably large

No, they don't.
With the sun being that low, the shadows will be large.
What BS will you try next? Any photo at sunset is fake?

the background looks unaccountably close

Based on what?

The shadow would vary so much only if there were a nearby light source.

Baseless vague garbage.
Shadows vary based upon the angle to the light, not how close it is.

The drone is making proximity beeps the whole time that it backs up.

Again, prove it.
Where is the video? What is the timestamp?

For that matter, this is what it says about the snow making done by ski resorts

Who gives a crap? You have no basis for it to be artificial snow.

Unlike your picture, the sun gives proper shadows. The flag waves slightly. You can see twerp kids running because of a sadist teacher. The details match up. Except that the kids appear to be wearing shorts (but unlike your "final experiment" this can be explained by the aforementioned sadism). The trees have snow on them and have lost of leaves (this tells us that unlike in Hallmark films where it snows but there are green leaves, it actually is winter). Little details are what proves a shot true or false.

What shadows?
Again, what is wrong with the shadows in the video?
How do you know the flags are waving?
You are appealing to a static image and claiming motion.
Yet again you demonstrate you will just make up whatever shit you want to pretend your fantasy is true.

Actually, what I said was quite a number of things. Let's add two more.

• Remember that cold breath? There are offscreen camera angles of him walking into his cabin, vaping, and then breathing out into a camera.
• But even if there weren't, the video I saw had about four failed attempts to show breath. He gave a lame excuse about how dry it is. Then finally "Now look at my breath."
• You know, when you're doing anything real, it looks natural. But the fact that he had to tell us about it was a giant red flag. "Het look at my breath!" Or "Look here's a drone! I can't be inside a green screen!" Or "There's a container that's green. I can't be inside a green screen." Posers try to convince an audience. Terrible actors try to convince an audience. A good actor or a person who is not acting doesn't pose. They belong. They are so natural that you believe they are on a ship. Or in the latter case, they are on a ship.
• Speaking of which, this man had to acquire gloves and a hat. He "had to pick them up" to pick up a single snowball, and the hat was given to him by the other guy.
• He wasn't shivering. Let me repeat that. He was out for 24 hour looking at this sun in below freezing, yet he was not wearing hat or gloves, not did he give any visible signs of shivering, frostbite, hypothermia, etc.  I think I did maybe two hours of snow shoveling this week all totalled, the first day, I was not only sore, but fatigued from the cold.
• He has to go to a specific spot to collect snow. It's there that you notice he is not only stage blocking because there's a wall there, but that most of the floor is not real ground. They don't appear tobe leaving tracks.
• No wind, no snowfall, no sound of weather. Outside in the cold, the wind literally whistles as it rushes through people's clothing.
  
• He is correct, this is not a green screen. It's the same tech used in the Mandalorian. A very real-looking 360° screen. Unlike a green screen, there is no green color issue, but there were visual glitches. When the sun passed behind him, there was a flicker near his face where he says "oops" and adjusts the camera.
• The shadows look unaccountably large, and the background looks unaccountably close. The shadow would vary so much only if there were a nearby light source.
• The drone is making proximity beeps the whole time that it backs up. Like it doesn't want to hit something. Like a wall or something.

Most of your questions can be answered here:

Quote from: Smoke Machine on January 02, 2025, 01:27:56 PM

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There is no wind. The guy has no glove or hat (and doesn't appear to need them). They talk about how the mountains appear abnormally close "but are really miles away" when no, they look unaccountably close. The ground they walk on doesn't seem to leave tracks. He has to walk to a certain point to gather snow. And he has to walk into his shed (to get gloves, he says) and comes back after several tries of blowing out air (they think he used a vape), then breathes out and picks up snow. It looks staged and unnatural. The shadow stretches like there is a nearby light source. These are all things you're chosing to ignore.

So, what you are saying is, if I were to film a person walking around a football field in early morning sun, with the sun in front of me, low on the horizon, the shadow of the person walking around, wouldn't look similar to what we see on TFE footage? It's just perspective, that's all.

But go ahead and prove me wrong, Bulma.

Actually, what I said was quite a number of things. Let's add two more.

• Remember that cold breath? There are offscreen camera angles of him walking into his cabin, vaping, and then breathing out into a camera.
• But even if there weren't, the video I saw had about four failed attempts to show breath. He gave a lame excuse about how dry it is. Then finally "Now look at my breath."
• You know, when you're doing anything real, it looks natural. But the fact that he had to tell us about it was a giant red flag. "Het look at my breath!" Or "Look here's a drone! I can't be inside a green screen!" Or "There's a container that's green. I can't be inside a green screen." Posers try to convince an audience. Terrible actors try to convince an audience. A good actor or a person who is not acting doesn't pose. They belong. They are so natural that you believe they are on a ship. Or in the latter case, they are on a ship.
• Speaking of which, this man had to acquire gloves and a hat. He "had to pick them up" to pick up a single snowball, and the hat was given to him by the other guy.
• He wasn't shivering. Let me repeat that. He was out for 24 hour looking at this sun in below freezing, yet he was not wearing hat or gloves, not did he give any visible signs of shivering, frostbite, hypothermia, etc.  I think I did maybe two hours of snow shoveling this week all totalled, the first day, I was not only sore, but fatigued from the cold.
• He has to go to a specific spot to collect snow. It's there that you notice he is not only stage blocking because there's a wall there, but that most of the floor is not real ground. They don't appear tobe leaving tracks.
• No wind, no snowfall, no sound of weather. Outside in the cold, the wind literally whistles as it rushes through people's clothing.
  
• He is correct, this is not a green screen. It's the same tech used in the Mandalorian. A very real-looking 360° screen. Unlike a green screen, there is no green color issue, but there were visual glitches. When the sun passed behind him, there was a flicker near his face where he says "oops" and adjusts the camera.
• The shadows look unaccountably large, and the background looks unaccountably close. The shadow would vary so much only if there were a nearby light source.
• The drone is making proximity beeps the whole time that it backs up. Like it doesn't want to hit something. Like a wall or something.

For that matter, this is what it says about the snow making done by ski resorts and the like (under Environmental Impact):

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Artificial snow takes around two to three weeks longer to melt than does natural snow.

This is because the formula for artificial snow is slightly different than real snow (high mineral content). So that "snow" was shipped in.

A fottbal field, you say? No, it wouldn't.

Let's give this football field all the trimmings:


fresh grass cleared of snow, surrounding snow, sunlight on ground, overcast sky, unevenly removed snow, buildings, plants, football l stadium stuff (lights, marker lines, goalposts). This might have been made by AI but it looks real enough.

Unlike your picture, the sun gives proper shadows. The flag waves slightly. You can see twerp kids running because of a sadist teacher. The details match up. Except that the kids appear to be wearing shorts (but unlike your "final experiment" this can be explained by the aforementioned sadism). The trees have snow on them and have lost of leaves (this tells us that unlike in Hallmark films where it snows but there are green leaves, it actually is winter). Little details are what proves a shot true or false.

That was pretty much me, not Eric Dubay. Now, he had pointed some stuff out, but not the shivering. Nor the gloves. Nor the bit about artificial snow.

Didn't you get the memo?

David Weis and Mark Sargent, (two of your life coaches) among other high profile nonsense spewing flat earthers, are quite content that Austin Witsit and Jeran, did indeed go to Antarctica and see the 24 hour sun first-hand. Despite the fact, Sargent and Weis have promoted the Azimuthal projection of Earth with a ring of ice as Earth's true shape, for well over a decade, both are now saying that in no way does the 24 hour sun observed by Jeran and Witsit, diminish their flat earth ideas.

I think they are now saying that the sun is not a physical object and it depends on the viewer. Hardly surprising for Sargent who has consistently vomitted he thinks the entire earth is a Truman Show and everything in the sky is a projection from some projector.

There is a Mark Sargent interview on YouTube called Strange World Nothingate. Sargent has Weis and Witsit on as guests. They talk about the shadows and Weis talks about filming and experimenting with shadows and how what was seen in the Antarctica footage, was legitimate and is just an optical illusion.

If I had the technical know-how, I would post a link to that interview. Maybe someone else can post a link to that interview.

Antarctica isn't like your grandmas wheat field, covered in snow in mid-December, Bulma. In Antarctica, it is always cold.

The whole experiment forces you to concede, Bulma, that if there is no earth curvature and earth is not a globe, and is instead flat like your immediate environment, then for there to be a 24 hour sun in Antarctica, means the sun cannot be a single, physical object, or the azimuthal equidistant earth map is not the correct shape of the Earth.

David Weis and Mark Sargent, (two of your life coaches)...

Lemme stop you there.



I don't know either of those people.

In fact, I don't know the majority of the Flat Earth gurus. Unlike you guys, who are likely guided by gurus from NASA, Bill Nye, deGrasse Tyson, Hawking, and Professor Dave. I live much of my life alone and under my own guidance. I occasionally watch flat Earth videos because they interesting. But I already made up my mind well before watching.

As I have told you.

So whoever these people are, they are not my life coaches. I don't have a life coach, or they would likely be ashamed at the fact that I have no job, girlfriend, or hobbies to speak of. I have about two or three supportive friends on Discord, a family, and people from church and my former job at the library. Flat Earth is not my life, I just happen to agree with it.  However, Round Earth does seem to be your life, so we should probably talk about how Neil deGrasse Tyson was accused of sexual misconduct, or how Professor Dave isn't an actual professor.

So, whatever these shills may or may not have done has nothing whatsoever to do with me, and my opinion on the matter of whether the Earth is flat or not is unchanged. Seriously, what did you think would happen? "Oh okay, they did this, and they think this. So that proves it"? No, whatever they say is the "true shape" of the Earth, we can see otherwise from a few simple pictures.  You see, faked or doctored pictures (again) always miss details.

Picture this. You are a parent of a child like me, someone nonbinary or transfeminine. He (she, really) tells you that he will be going to a math competition and shows you a picture of himself in a mathletes uniform. But actually she shaved her legs, got an updo, put on earrings and a dress, makeup, heels, the whole thing and went to the prom as a girl. A teacher you respect (who is covering for them) tells you that they have been at mathletes the whole time. Only, you actually checked it out yourself, and they were neither there, nor was their name ever on the list of mathletes. Only, looking at the picture, you noticed the background appears to be scrubbed and swapped out. Only, on a close look of his face, you notice her hair is kinda looking odd, like it is swept back and upward then video altered, and you notice makeup. And the nails have a French manicure. If you trust what you observe rather than just what you are supposed to see, you discover when a picture is not right.

Appeal to authorities is a fallacy for a reason. Authorities, and what they say, doesn't matter. Details matter. Inconsistencies matter.

Quote from: Torve on January 04, 2025, 05:23:26 PM

Is it not rational to offer comparison on a claim that has been made without any?

Not when such a comparison does nothing to address the claim made.

Now again, care to rationally respond to what I said?

You are clearly suggesting that there was nothing addressing the claim you made, contradict that assumption if you will.

That is obviously a falsehood, because in the same paragraph as the Endurance comparison was made, there is this text:

"the TFE isn't "effort" in the context of gaining concrete evidence on an existential question but something that is easily within the reach of hundreds of millions of people. "

This is clearly addressing your claim of "effort". So in the quote above, you lied. You are a liar, Jack, and now repeatedly so in a single thread page.

In further news:



In this video there is the information with video evidence that TFE coincided with a marathon run at the location. The world thus can see that the "effort" of TFE is no greater than that of joining a marathon run, which the undisturbed part of the human race recognizes as not being particularly great. Thus is underlined the preposterousness of your claim which has been addressed, by me, in several rational ways.

More news:

Jeranism has turned, apparently.



He has dropped a line that says he is no longer a FE'er, presumably as a result of TFE.

Also, an FE'er called Kaleb something states that anyone who believes TFE was faked is a "retard", his word not mine.

But I already made up my mind well before watching.

Yet again contradicting yourself.
Did you make up your mind, or did you consider the arguments?

But the problem is that you have made up your mind now and cannot accept any possibility of being wrong.
Whenever something shows you are wrong, you need to look for excuses to dismiss it.
You don't care about the truth or evidence. All you care about is pretending your fantasy is true.

However, Round Earth does seem to be your life

It truly isn't, for any of us.
It is just accepting reality.
But your FEism is a stand against reality.

Seriously, what did you think would happen?

What I said at the start:

If the result doesn't match what they want they will dismiss it as a lie.


That is why this is not the final experiment. Instead, it is an entirely useless experiment which is a waste of time, money and resources.
To anyone honest and smart enough who isn't brainwashed or insane, there is already plentiful evidence that Earth is round. To the others, nothing will convince them.

And you are just confirming that.
Because you don't get the results you want, you dismiss it as fake and look for excuses for it to be fake.

Appeal to authorities is a fallacy for a reason. Authorities, and what they say, doesn't matter. Details matter. Inconsistencies matter.

This isn't an appeal to authority.
It is an appeal to evidence, something you hate.

Because you don't like it, you look for any excuse you can, regardless of how well it holds up, and cling to it as if it shows it is fake.

Quote from: JackBlack on January 05, 2025, 01:03:34 AM

Quote from: Torve on January 04, 2025, 05:23:26 PM

Is it not rational to offer comparison on a claim that has been made without any?

Not when such a comparison does nothing to address the claim made.

Now again, care to rationally respond to what I said?

You are clearly suggesting that there was nothing addressing the claim you made, contradict that assumption if you will.

That is obviously a falsehood, because in the same paragraph as the Endurance comparison was made, there is this text:

"the TFE isn't "effort" in the context of gaining concrete evidence on an existential question but something that is easily within the reach of hundreds of millions of people. "

This is clearly addressing your claim of "effort". So in the quote above, you lied. You are a liar, Jack, and now repeatedly so in a single thread page.

In further news:



In this video there is the information with video evidence that TFE coincided with a marathon run at the location. The world thus can see that the "effort" of TFE is no greater than that of joining a marathon run, which the undisturbed part of the human race recognizes as not being particularly great. Thus is underlined the preposterousness of your claim which has been addressed, by me, in several rational ways.

You made a comparison to suggest that something that took less effort is no effort.
You took a single point of what I said, made an entirely irrational comparison to pretend it is wrong, ignored the rest of what I said, and then through out a bunch of insults.

That is NOT rationally responding to what I said.

Showing something took MORE effort is not showing that something does not take a significant effort. So no, it does NOT address the claim I made.
It sidesteps it.
So no, I'm not a liar. Yet you calling me one makes you one.

Compared to plenty of alternatives, it is a lot of effort.

And again you make an incredibly dishonest statement.
It is not simply not greater than that of joining A marathon run, it is joining a highly particular marathon run.
That run is a substantial effort, vastly different to just waiting for a marathon to be running in your city and joining that.

So no, you are yet to rationally address my claim.

Listen Jack, a consensus is building here that you are a toxic person. You are a serial liar as I have demonstrated and as others have pointed out, your behavior is consistently unacceptable under the norms of serious debate.

I know what you are, I have met your kind countless times before and I know you are beyond correction. You do not deserve for your expressions to be dignified by others.

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David Weis and Mark Sargent, (two of your life coaches)...

Lemme stop you there.



I don't know either of those people.

In fact, I don't know the majority of the Flat Earth gurus. Unlike you guys, who are likely guided by gurus from NASA, Bill Nye, deGrasse Tyson, Hawking, and Professor Dave. I live much of my life alone and under my own guidance. I occasionally watch flat Earth videos because they interesting. But I already made up my mind well before watching.

As I have told you.

So whoever these people are, they are not my life coaches. I don't have a life coach, or they would likely be ashamed at the fact that I have no job, girlfriend, or hobbies to speak of. I have about two or three supportive friends on Discord, a family, and people from church and my former job at the library. Flat Earth is not my life, I just happen to agree with it.  However, Round Earth does seem to be your life, so we should probably talk about how Neil deGrasse Tyson was accused of sexual misconduct, or how Professor Dave isn't an actual professor.

So, whatever these shills may or may not have done has nothing whatsoever to do with me, and my opinion on the matter of whether the Earth is flat or not is unchanged. Seriously, what did you think would happen? "Oh okay, they did this, and they think this. So that proves it"? No, whatever they say is the "true shape" of the Earth, we can see otherwise from a few simple pictures.  You see, faked or doctored pictures (again) always miss details.

Picture this. You are a parent of a child like me, someone nonbinary or transfeminine. He (she, really) tells you that he will be going to a math competition and shows you a picture of himself in a mathletes uniform. But actually she shaved her legs, got an updo, put on earrings and a dress, makeup, heels, the whole thing and went to the prom as a girl. A teacher you respect (who is covering for them) tells you that they have been at mathletes the whole time. Only, you actually checked it out yourself, and they were neither there, nor was their name ever on the list of mathletes. Only, looking at the picture, you noticed the background appears to be scrubbed and swapped out. Only, on a close look of his face, you notice her hair is kinda looking odd, like it is swept back and upward then video altered, and you notice makeup. And the nails have a French manicure. If you trust what you observe rather than just what you are supposed to see, you discover when a picture is not right.

Appeal to authorities is a fallacy for a reason. Authorities, and what they say, doesn't matter. Details matter. Inconsistencies matter.

Bulma, I suspect you are on a disability pension of some kind and that's a tough break. I also suspect you have way too much time on your hands as a result. Any chance you can become a volunteer and contribute to society that way?

Not only do you agree with these flat earth gurus, you use their videos to support your arguments. Eric Dubay especially. Jeran - unlikely from this point forward.

You could be an authority on a matter too, if you put in the time and did the work. I recommend you dont aim to become a flat earth authority or an authority on Sasquatch or an authority on space being fake.

I dont care if you are comfortable in your immediate environment and prefer to ignore the earth is a globe. Just know that if you pursue your arguments earth is instead a dome covered pancake on a lazy susan, there will be people who will disagree with you and tell you why they disagree.

What do you want to become an authority on?

Listen Jack, a consensus is building here that you are a toxic person. You are a serial liar as I have demonstrated and as others have pointed out, your behaviour is consistently unacceptable under the norms of serious debate.

I know what you are, I have met your kind countless times before and I know you are beyond correction. You do not deserve for your expressions to be dignified by others.

I just don't put up with other people's shit, and unlike most people here, I don't pick sides for that so I will call out REers as well. That doesn't make me toxic. But it sure seems great at bringing out toxicity in people like you.
Yet again, you just resort to insults and project your own inadequacies onto me.

You are yet to demonstrate a single lie from me.
And to emphasise - Showing something takes more effort does not show something else does not take effort, so it does NOT address what I said. It is a deflection from what I said.

If you truly feel that way about me, you would just remain silent and not respond at all.
The very fact you respond demonstrates you don't feel that way, and you feel the need to respond to attack me, all because I called out your precious basically useless and non-final experiment.

And to truly see who's behaviour is "unacceptable under the norms of serious debate", just look at who made this post:

You are one of Them.

You are not a FEer, but you frequent this forum for the same reason that another person would join FE. To get attention, to get your kicks, to get another's goat. You pretty much admitted it earlier in not so many words.

The reason you dislike the TFE is that the guys who organized it are getting a fair amount of positive attention, the thing that you crave and feel you are better entitled to. Jealousy, in simpler terms.

You don't really care about truth, you don't care about facts, you just love to stir things up, and FE provides you with an eternal alibi, as it consist of inexhaustible stir-up-ability.

Look in the mirror. You will find Walther Sobchak staring back at you.

Nothing but insults; not even insults mixed in with arguments, just insults. Completely unacceptable under the norms of serious debate.

Again, to summarise:
The data obtained in the experiment already existed in plentiful quantities. This experiment is not getting any magical new data which will turn anything on its head. We knew what the results would be from countless other experiments before it.
So like I said right at the start, for honest people, there is already plenty of evidence.
But for the dishonest FEers that care far more about Earth being flat than the truth, they will dismiss this experiment as fake, just like plenty have.
Or they can accept it and say it still doesn't show a problem for FE by pushing the problem around like some have done.

Pretty much the only people it will convince are the FEers that go, and the FEers that just follow them. And that is a big if. And no surprise, only 3 FEers went. The majority of the vocal FEers did not go. So they are free to dismiss it as fake and dismiss the FEers that went as shills.

So it isn't final at all. Calling it final, just makes it sound like we didn't have enough evidence to know if Earth was round or not. Why would this be final? Are all the previous examples of footage from Antarctica not enough? What about the countless other experiments you can do without going to Antarctica?
Other than a relatively minor change, we are in basically the same position as we were before this experiment.

And this experiment is well beyond the reach of most people.
Most people do not have the ability to just go to Antarctica on a whim. They don't have the stuff to get there themselves, and they don't have the ~$40k dollars to fly there (plus extra for flights/travel to Punta Arenas, clothing, etc).


Now, will you try to respond rationally for a change?
Or show that you do believe what you said and not respond at all?
Or will you continue projecting?

A new form of cope:



Flatzoid, an FE'er, claims he was never invited to TFE.

As demonstrated, he is a liar.