The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

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The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« on: November 02, 2024, 09:34:34 AM »
There already is a (dormant) thread on this topic, but the thing suggested I should start a new thread.

This is the most important event in FE for at least a few years - the observation of the alleged continuous daylight and sun in the sky (excepting cloud cover) in the Antarctic summer. Globe Earth asserts that this phenomenon is a fact, whereas most believe it cannot happen in the most commonly cited model of Flat Earth, the one with the North Pole in the center and ringfenced by some sort of Antarctica. The so-called Final Experiment is an expedition to Antarctica to observe and record what does in fact happen, scheduled to begin around the middle of December 2024.

https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

To all Flatters and Globers, we should come together and share in this experience.

I think each and every Flatter and concerned Glober should at least create a post in this thread and state their view on the following:

1. Is the 24 hour daylight phenomenon possible in the common Flat Earth model?

2. Is the 24 hour daylight phenomenon necessarily a feature of the Globe Earth model?

3. Will the Final Experiment observe a continuous 24 hours of daylight?


My own answers as a Glober:

1. No.

2. Yes.

3. Yes, without a shadow of doubt (pun intended).


What does the rest of the world think?


PS: Bonus points for any "The Thing" references.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2024, 09:38:20 AM by Torve »

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2024, 05:44:32 PM »


I mean, you’re trusting the source of the results beyond a shadow of the doubt. Meaning you refuse to consider the ulterior motives and/or incentives of the group and their affiliated organizations. You’re refusing the possibility of a deception when deception is a legitimate possibility.

The evidence is going to be a continuous video showing the movement of the sun for an uninterrupted 24 hours, witnessed by three FEers (at latest count, who have signed contracts with financial liabilities promising to participate)  and several other individuals.

That aside, I have never done any of what you allege above, I have never refused to consider anyone's ulterior motive or incentive or refused the possibility of deception.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2024, 05:48:55 PM »
There already is a (dormant) thread on this topic, but the thing suggested I should start a new thread.

This is the most important event in FE for at least a few years - the observation of the alleged continuous daylight and sun in the sky (excepting cloud cover) in the Antarctic summer. Globe Earth asserts that this phenomenon is a fact, whereas most believe it cannot happen in the most commonly cited model of Flat Earth, the one with the North Pole in the center and ringfenced by some sort of Antarctica. The so-called Final Experiment is an expedition to Antarctica to observe and record what does in fact happen, scheduled to begin around the middle of December 2024.

https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

To all Flatters and Globers, we should come together and share in this experience.

I think each and every Flatter and concerned Glober should at least create a post in this thread and state their view on the following:

1. Is the 24 hour daylight phenomenon possible in the common Flat Earth model?

2. Is the 24 hour daylight phenomenon necessarily a feature of the Globe Earth model?

3. Will the Final Experiment observe a continuous 24 hours of daylight?


My own answers as a Glober:

1. No.

2. Yes.

3. Yes, without a shadow of doubt (pun intended).


What does the rest of the world think?


PS: Bonus points for any "The Thing" references.

Last time I’m entertaining you.

 1. 24 hour sun does happen in the artic when the sun is close and over cancer. It does not happen in the outer-reaches (Antarctica).

2. There is no globe earth. The flat earth is observable by anyone who cares to look. However, to entertain you, if “the globe” tilted to align Capricorn with the sun then there would need to be a 24 hour sun in Antarctica.

3. If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica. 
« Last Edit: November 24, 2024, 05:56:44 PM by OdinSkyBorn13 »

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2024, 06:04:38 PM »


3. If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica.

Do you expect the FEers participating to bear false witness?

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2024, 06:13:24 PM »


3. If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica.

Do you expect the FEers participating to bear false witness?

You really believe in the honour system.

How do you know they’re genuine “FEers”? How do you know they’re not corruptible? Should I just blindly trust anyone who claims to hold flat earth “beliefs”?

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2024, 06:24:16 PM »


3. If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica.

Do you expect the FEers participating to bear false witness?

You really believe in the honour system.

How do you know they’re genuine “FEers”? How do you know they’re not corruptible? Should I just blindly trust anyone who claims to hold flat earth “beliefs”?

It was a simple question. It deserves a simple answer, I believe.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2024, 06:27:17 PM »


3. If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica.

Do you expect the FEers participating to bear false witness?

You really believe in the honour system.

How do you know they’re genuine “FEers”? How do you know they’re not corruptible? Should I just blindly trust anyone who claims to hold flat earth “beliefs”?

It was a simple question. It deserves a simple answer, I believe.

If I had to guess. I’d imagine so.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2024, 06:33:31 PM »


If I had to guess. I’d imagine so.

Why is that the conclusion?

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2024, 06:49:21 PM »


If I had to guess. I’d imagine so.

Why is that the conclusion?

It’s not a conclusion. It’s an educated guess. It’s my prediction.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2024, 06:51:13 PM »

It’s not a conclusion. It’s an educated guess. It’s my prediction.

Why is that the prediction?

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2024, 06:56:09 PM »

It’s not a conclusion. It’s an educated guess. It’s my prediction.

Why is that the prediction?

Rinse and repeat the same old stunts. As I said, patterns in behaviour. In order to predict something you need to observe and document first.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2024, 07:02:13 PM »


Rinse and repeat the same old stunts. As I said, patterns in behaviour. In order to predict something you need to observe and document first.

C'mon man, that's a word salad if there ever was.

What is your substantive reason for expecting false witnesses?

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Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2024, 01:52:59 AM »
Why is that the conclusion?
Because they need it to be to pretend Earth is flat.
If the result doesn't match what they want they will dismiss it as a lie.


That is why this is not the final experiment. Instead, it is an entirely useless experiment which is a waste of time, money and resources.
To anyone honest and smart enough who isn't brainwashed or insane, there is already plentiful evidence that Earth is round. To the others, nothing will convince them.

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Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2024, 04:13:44 AM »
Yeah, sure. Get a GoFundMe to fly to Antarctica.

Find out yourself that the guy who tried to replicate the Northwest Passage had his insurance denied in his host country, then he was hassled in Canada for supposed cruelty to polar bears (hint: the people supposedly went on the Northwest Passage weren't eating tofu burgers), arrested numerous times, then he finds his crew missing, and when he sends a search party the strip him of his license, and arrest him for not being insured in his host country (he got insurance elsewhere). The oblt person more hassled? Donald Trump. Any attempt to to explore Antarctica is met with possible arrest, removal of licenses, or worse. Because of the endangered penguins. Yeah, sure. Well before Antarctica the waters below the 60° South longitude line are off limits. There is no similar treaty to the Arctic Circle.

So tours of "Antarctica" are basically the equivalent of Disney Land, you get a guided tour of a large island, and you have no idea whether it's Antarctica because all you can see is snow and ice. Yay!!! Someone on here said that a friend of a friend of his had like a Ferrari or something driving on the surface, and everything was wonderful. Or they just plopped you of at some iceberg.

Oh and by the way. That GoFundMe? I'm gonna require fund it using the following words and phrases "I will prove once and for all whether the Earth is round or flat! Come help me visit all the way to the Southern Ring where the South Pole (supposedly) is. I will see if there is a 24 hour sun or not, and I will be heading through rough terrain and historical areas to prove my point. I only need $10,000 (plus insurance costs) to explore this." Bets on whethee you get your money?

 There aren't that many flat Earthers, and any money they have is inheritance. They are kinda not rich. Even if you got the money, you would be stopped, because the phrasing of the above fund letter makes you a threat to international order.

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Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2024, 12:16:31 PM »
Find out yourself that the guy who tried to replicate the Northwest Passage had his insurance denied in his host country, then he was hassled in Canada for supposed cruelty to polar bears (hint: the people supposedly went on the Northwest Passage weren't eating tofu burgers), arrested numerous times, then he finds his crew missing, and when he sends a search party the strip him of his license, and arrest him for not being insured in his host country (he got insurance elsewhere).
Last I checked he didn't have insurance anywhere.
And this just shows how bad he is and how incompetent his team is, and that there isn't any magical force stopping people going to Antarctica.

If his team was "disappeared" by the government trying to hide things, why wasn't he?

And you don't even bother giving details, that it was Jarle Andhoy, and the vessel that sunk in the open waters was the Beserk.
He was going to try to make a documentary, and allegedly intentionally left late to get better footage.

Any attempt to to explore Antarctica is met with possible arrest, removal of licenses, or worse.
You mean illegal attempts.

you have no idea whether it's Antarctica
There are plenty of ways to check. You can use GPS and see where you are.
You can use the stars or the sun to determine your position.
This is not hard.

But the important thing for this experiment is that you will see the sun for a continuous 24 hour period, circling overhead, in the southern summer.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2024, 06:01:12 PM »
Yeah, sure. Get a GoFundMe to fly to Antarctica.

Find out yourself that the guy who tried to replicate the Northwest Passage had his insurance denied in his host country, then he was hassled in Canada for supposed cruelty to polar bears (hint: the people supposedly went on the Northwest Passage weren't eating tofu burgers), arrested numerous times, then he finds his crew missing, and when he sends a search party the strip him of his license, and arrest him for not being insured in his host country (he got insurance elsewhere). The oblt person more hassled? Donald Trump. Any attempt to to explore Antarctica is met with possible arrest, removal of licenses, or worse. Because of the endangered penguins. Yeah, sure. Well before Antarctica the waters below the 60° South longitude line are off limits. There is no similar treaty to the Arctic Circle.

So tours of "Antarctica" are basically the equivalent of Disney Land, you get a guided tour of a large island, and you have no idea whether it's Antarctica because all you can see is snow and ice. Yay!!! Someone on here said that a friend of a friend of his had like a Ferrari or something driving on the surface, and everything was wonderful. Or they just plopped you of at some iceberg.

Oh and by the way. That GoFundMe? I'm gonna require fund it using the following words and phrases "I will prove once and for all whether the Earth is round or flat! Come help me visit all the way to the Southern Ring where the South Pole (supposedly) is. I will see if there is a 24 hour sun or not, and I will be heading through rough terrain and historical areas to prove my point. I only need $10,000 (plus insurance costs) to explore this." Bets on whethee you get your money?

 There aren't that many flat Earthers, and any money they have is inheritance. They are kinda not rich. Even if you got the money, you would be stopped, because the phrasing of the above fund letter makes you a threat to international order.

I for one, am really looking forward to the footage they are going to get of the 24 hour sun. I'm expecting it to be possibly the best footage to date, with state of the art photographic and video equipment.

Good luck explaining the 24 hour sun in Antarctica and the Arctic, with your flat earth beliefs, but nowhere else in the world.

Final experiment, final nail in the coffin, final curtain call - for Flat Earth.

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Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2024, 12:11:03 AM »
Good luck explaining the 24 hour sun in Antarctica and the Arctic, with your flat earth beliefs, but nowhere else in the world.

Final experiment, final nail in the coffin, final curtain call - for Flat Earth.
It is easy for them to "explain" it:
"FAKE!!!"

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2024, 03:19:26 AM »
Good luck explaining the 24 hour sun in Antarctica and the Arctic, with your flat earth beliefs, but nowhere else in the world.

Final experiment, final nail in the coffin, final curtain call - for Flat Earth.
It is easy for them to "explain" it:
"FAKE!!!"

True, but there are three prominent flat earthers going. They have agreed to the terms.

How could the 24 hour sun be faked to all those participants, and then faked on the cameras they use?

Unless the flat earthers that don't go, deem the ones that do go, are in cahoots with the globe earthers who will put together a CGI video?

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Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2024, 01:06:19 PM »
True, but there are three prominent flat earthers going. They have agreed to the terms.

How could the 24 hour sun be faked to all those participants, and then faked on the cameras they use?

Unless the flat earthers that don't go, deem the ones that do go, are in cahoots with the globe earthers who will put together a CGI video?
Considering the dishonesty of FEers, I wouldn't hold them to "agreeing" to terms.

Look at what happened with Bob Knodel.
Getting a laser ring gyroscope to prove Earth is stationary.
When the result showed they were wrong, they just came up with more wild ideas.

So the FEers going there would likely do that.
Or perhaps they have learnt from the past and won't release the footage or release fake footage instead.

Some FEers, like Tom Bishop here, would already say it doesn't disprove a FE, instead appealing to their bipolar model, others would appeal to a south pole centred FE. They are happy to just push the problem around and don't care about consistency.
Others would likely claim the FEers who went there were just fake and didn't really believe Earth is flat, and say the footage is fake.

If this was going to be the final nail in the coffin, then the already existing footage of the southern sky in a time lapse showing the stars appearing to circle the south celestial pole, something which is trivial to do from so many locations it isn't funny, would already be the final nail in the coffin as that already shows there is a south pole.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2024, 05:03:08 PM »
https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

As I understand it, the three FEers who are participating have signed binding contracts to the effect that if they pull out for their own reasons they have to reimburse the cost of their complementary tickets, which is a serious sum.

If they do participate and then choose to lie about the whole thing, there may not be anything stopping them doing that, although there might be.

The value of this venture as I see it is that it puts this particular question on the record with a high profile. The result is inevitably going to attract ridicule of FE. Every time the subject is brought up from here on, the Final Experiment is going to be referenced. Anyone can reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved, and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty.

FEers are particularly sensitive to ridicule, even though they often claim they don't care. Don't believe that.

Let's make no mistake, FE is a genuinely dangerous phenomenon. If it enters the mainstream, as it is presently threatening to do (Candace Owens is considering it), then it becomes an outlet for disturbed people to enforce anti-reality on people, which is a road to tyranny. Think of it as the Trans movement 2.0. The best way to thwart it is by exposing it to ridicule.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2024, 05:15:15 PM »
https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

As I understand it, the three FEers who are participating have signed binding contracts to the effect that if they pull out for their own reasons they have to reimburse the cost of their complementary tickets, which is a serious sum.

If they do participate and then choose to lie about the whole thing, there may not be anything stopping them doing that, although there might be.

The value of this venture as I see it is that it puts this particular question on the record with a high profile. The result is inevitably going to attract ridicule of FE. Every time the subject is brought up from here on, the Final Experiment is going to be referenced. Anyone can reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved, and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty.

FEers are particularly sensitive to ridicule, even though they often claim they don't care. Don't believe that.

Let's make no mistake, FE is a genuinely dangerous phenomenon. If it enters the mainstream, as it is presently threatening to do (Candace Owens is considering it), then it becomes an outlet for disturbed people to enforce anti-reality on people, which is a road to tyranny. Think of it as the Trans movement 2.0. The best way to thwart it is by exposing it to ridicule.

You’re so caught up in it. You’re hilarious.


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Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2024, 01:15:52 AM »
https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

As I understand it, the three FEers who are participating have signed binding contracts to the effect that if they pull out for their own reasons they have to reimburse the cost of their complementary tickets, which is a serious sum.

If they do participate and then choose to lie about the whole thing, there may not be anything stopping them doing that, although there might be.

The value of this venture as I see it is that it puts this particular question on the record with a high profile. The result is inevitably going to attract ridicule of FE. Every time the subject is brought up from here on, the Final Experiment is going to be referenced. Anyone can reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved, and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty.

FEers are particularly sensitive to ridicule, even though they often claim they don't care. Don't believe that.

Let's make no mistake, FE is a genuinely dangerous phenomenon. If it enters the mainstream, as it is presently threatening to do (Candace Owens is considering it), then it becomes an outlet for disturbed people to enforce anti-reality on people, which is a road to tyranny. Think of it as the Trans movement 2.0. The best way to thwart it is by exposing it to ridicule.
If anything it actually provides legitamacy to the FE movement.
Calling the final experiment and acting like this is what will definitively decide it implies that all the other evidence we have is insufficient.

e.g. look at this statement from you:
"Every time the subject is brought up from here on, the Final Experiment is going to be referenced. Anyone can reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved, and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty. "
Are you suggesting that prior to this experiment there weren't already countless experiments that could be referenced and people couldn't reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty?

Because that is the obvious implication; that this experiment provides that disproof and nothing before has.

And especially before the experiment is actually conducted it provides publicity to the FE and provides this illusion of uncertainty, like we have no idea if Earth is flat or round we need to carry out this experiment to find out.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2024, 01:32:39 AM »
https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

As I understand it, the three FEers who are participating have signed binding contracts to the effect that if they pull out for their own reasons they have to reimburse the cost of their complementary tickets, which is a serious sum.

If they do participate and then choose to lie about the whole thing, there may not be anything stopping them doing that, although there might be.

The value of this venture as I see it is that it puts this particular question on the record with a high profile. The result is inevitably going to attract ridicule of FE. Every time the subject is brought up from here on, the Final Experiment is going to be referenced. Anyone can reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved, and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty.

FEers are particularly sensitive to ridicule, even though they often claim they don't care. Don't believe that.

Let's make no mistake, FE is a genuinely dangerous phenomenon. If it enters the mainstream, as it is presently threatening to do (Candace Owens is considering it), then it becomes an outlet for disturbed people to enforce anti-reality on people, which is a road to tyranny. Think of it as the Trans movement 2.0. The best way to thwart it is by exposing it to ridicule.

The Final Experiment as they have called it, is a weird choice of words. It's eerily close to "The Final Solution", and we all know what that meant. Genocide of Flat Earthers perhaps?

These Flat Earthers are mostly contrarians, who get their highs from speculation and conjecture, while living their best life in a reality totally divorced from everybody else.

They think they are special and they most certainly are special. Very very very special people.

As all flat earthers will learn one day, is the truth never changes. That which has been discovered about our globe earth, has never changed, only been revised,  refined, and built upon. But with Flat Earth, no two flat earthers can agree on anything and anything goes. It's just Fantasy Land.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2024, 07:25:30 AM »

e.g. look at this statement from you:
"Every time the subject is brought up from here on, the Final Experiment is going to be referenced. Anyone can reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved, and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty. "
Are you suggesting that prior to this experiment there weren't already countless experiments that could be referenced and people couldn't reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty?

Because that is the obvious implication; that this experiment provides that disproof and nothing before has.

And especially before the experiment is actually conducted it provides publicity to the FE and provides this illusion of uncertainty, like we have no idea if Earth is flat or round we need to carry out this experiment to find out.

You suffer from black and white thinking.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2024, 07:27:08 AM »


The Final Experiment as they have called it, is a weird choice of words. It's eerily close to "The Final Solution", and we all know what that meant. Genocide of Flat Earthers perhaps?


I don't like the title, and this is indeed one of the reasons.

Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2024, 07:28:33 AM »


As all flat earthers will learn one day, is the truth never changes.

They will never learn that. They don't have a conception of truth, to them the truth is just what is convenient to them at any given time.

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Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2024, 11:54:01 AM »
You suffer from black and white thinking.
You mean black and white thinking like thinking an experiment is final?

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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2024, 12:05:58 PM »
You suffer from black and white thinking.
You mean black and white thinking like thinking an experiment is final?

No, black and white thinking like inability to recognize grey areas and inability to recognize that a thing can be anything other than all right or all wrong.

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Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2024, 12:13:48 PM »
You suffer from black and white thinking.
You mean black and white thinking like thinking an experiment is final?

No, black and white thinking like inability to recognize grey areas and inability to recognize that a thing can be anything other than all right or all wrong.
As it apparently went entirely over your head, labelling something as final is black and white thinking.
And a big objection to this crap is calling it final, for that reason, as explained above.

So if anything, I'm objecting to that black and white thinking.

But you apparently have no response to that except insults.

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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2024, 03:04:57 PM »
You suffer from black and white thinking.
You mean black and white thinking like thinking an experiment is final?

No, black and white thinking like inability to recognize grey areas and inability to recognize that a thing can be anything other than all right or all wrong.

Torve old sport.

This is exactly the problem with you people and your debate/ridicule mindset.

Look at y’all now. Bickering amongst each other.