Gravity and the poles

  • 39 Replies
  • 1653 Views
*

JackBlack

  • 23638
Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2024, 01:26:45 AM »
Smog and fog and mist and heat hazes in the sky, block out things beyond them. Rainbows block out things past their arcs. Then why doesn’t the blue within the skies block out anything above it!
Pure nonsense.

Fog is actually a great example of just how wrong you are.
There isn't some magical distance which it blocks everything beyond, instead, it reduces visibility, by scattering the light.
Depending on how dense the fog is, you might be able to see a good distance away, or you might only be able to see a m in front of you.
And when things move away, they don't just reach a point where they switch from being in front of it to behind it. They slowly fade out.

The same happens with the blue sky, where it slowly makes things appear more and more blue, but a very small amount.

The only reason the blue is so noticeable, is because there is no other significant light shining through it.

Isn’t your moon supposed to be 250000 miles up from the ball Earth in the blackness of endless ‘space’?
And it is. And if you look at it during the day, and compare it to looking at it during the night, there is a clear blue tint to it during the day, from that blue sky you are viewing it through.
And it isn't that it is coloured black, it is that it is dark.
It is the "black" of a room with all the lights out.

So you wouldn't expect to see the black behind the blue and that makes no sense at all.

We also see nothing blue in the skies from planes
I already provided a video showing that's a lie. Why just repeat the lie?

Air is 99% seen through from above it and is entirely clear.
What do you mean 99% seen through?
Do you mean you are seeing through 99% of the air? If so, you aren't.
The air pressure at 35 000 ft (cruising altitudes for planes) is over 0.2 bar, meaning over 20% of the air is still above you.

And you are yet to provide anything to show it is clear.

Instead, all you do is continually assert whatever BS you think you need to pretend your delusional fantasy is true.
But your assertions are worthless.

The moon blocks out the blue above it,
No it doesn't. Instead, during the take it takes on a blue tint, from the blue sky you see it through.

Everything indicates the blue is within the waters of the Firmament.
Literally nothing does.
You are yet to present a single piece of evidence supporting your delusional BS.
Meanwhile, plenty has been provided that shows you are wrong.

But don’t let facts stop what you believe
There you go projecting again.

Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2024, 02:46:29 AM »
Notice that there are only specific areas on the moon with a blue tint on them?

They are the smoother areas on the moon which have a blue tint, not the other areas which are only a white color.

If the moon was above the blue skies, it would all be tinted blue, not just those areas which are smoother.

And notice that the blue seen in those areas in behind the white of those same areas, not behind the blue tint?

These areas of the moon which are smoother, are also very thin to see blue through them behind the moon, but not the other areas of the moon which are too thick to see through to the blue behind the moon?

When the moon is seen at night, we see those same smooth areas as darker than the rest of the moon, right?

And it matches up as being so thin in those areas that the black skies behind it make them darker than the other areas,,which are still seen as white, as they are in daylight skies.

That means the moon cannot be a full sphere, because if it was, we’d not see the blue skies through it behind it, nor the darkness of skies through it and behind it at night as darker than the rest of the surface.

The moon is a disk shaped object, a partial sphere of one face or surface pointing down to the Earth.

The light of the moon is from the moon itself,,it is a source of its light, not a reflection of sunlight beaming off it to see from the Earth.


*

JackBlack

  • 23638
Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2024, 12:15:27 PM »
Notice that there are only specific areas on the moon with a blue tint on them?
No, the entire moon has it.

You have a moon, which already has some differences in colouration, with a blue tint over it.

They are the smoother areas on the moon which have a blue tint, not the other areas which are only a white color.
Got any evidence to prove that?
Because in a different thread, this image was posted:

Notice how the entire moon has a blue tint?

It is most noticeable in the less white parts of the moon, because there is less white light coming through so the tint is more significant.

And due to how your eyes work, you may even see those whiter parts as white, but it is trivial to show it isn't.
Either by analysing the colour of the pixels to show it isn't white, or by removing the blue sky around it and replacing with white, like this:


It is clearly blue.

If the moon was above the blue skies, it would all be tinted blue, not just those areas which are smoother.
And it is.

When the moon is seen at night, we see those same smooth areas as darker than the rest of the moon, right?
No, it is actually the complete opposite.
The darker areas of the moon are easier to see the blue, because there is less light from the moon and so relative to the light from the moon, there is more blue light from the sky.
And this matches up with what is actually observed, with these darker areas appearing bluer during the day.

So this says nothing about if the moon is a sphere or not, as there is no indication of any transparency of the moon.

Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2024, 10:49:36 PM »
The blue isn’t in the air, it is from the waters of the firmament.

The moon is below the blue waters of the firmament above it.

Those areas are seen through to the blue above the moon and behind it.

This is confirmed by seeing through the air to Earth below, from high altitudes, through the vast majority of the air.

If that is perfectly clear air, there goes your argument.

Unless you want to start saying all the air is clear, except a bit of it higher which is blue!

But that’s no good either.

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 43119
Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2024, 09:01:40 AM »
Unless you want to start saying all the air is clear, except a bit of it higher which is blue!
Air is clear.  The blue is because of the way that sunlight scatters through the air.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

JackBlack

  • 23638
Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2024, 02:06:33 PM »
The blue isn’t in the air, it is from the waters of the firmament.

The moon is below the blue waters of the firmament above it.
I just provided a photo showing quite clearly that it appears blue.
Yet here you are just ignoring it and repeating the same dishonest BS.

Those areas are seen through to the blue above the moon and behind it.
Based on what? You needing to desperately pretend your fantasy is true?

This is confirmed by seeing through the air to Earth below, from high altitudes
Which also demonstrate a slight blue tint.

If that is perfectly clear air, there goes your argument.
And do you have any proof of it being perfectly clear? No.
You just continually repeat this lie.

All the evidence either can't tell or clearly shows the blue is in the air, from light scattering in the air.

Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2025, 03:13:48 AM »
What we see is that over 85% of the air below us in a plane is completely clear, not at all blue.

If the air was blue, we’d go through the blue air, see it blue from planes below us.

Whatever is really in air, like rainbows or smog or fog, is seen when we go through them, from both sides of them, from below and above them.

That would be how we’d see the sky if air was blue, not always high above us in planes, seeing it all clear below us.

They can convince you of anything they say is true, tell you it’s a blue sky even when you see it’s completely clear, while all blue is high above you in a plane.

It’s complete bs, but you don’t trust your own senses anymore. They tell you what to think and never believe what you see is true.

Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2025, 03:48:18 AM »
Now they show a rocket under the blue ‘skies’, tell you it’s really ‘above’ the blue ‘skies’, and show you its in blackness of ‘space’ from a rocket cam!

I asked you to show me a rocket flying upward through and above our blue skies, because it won’t be blue in ‘space’, it’d be above the blue skies to be in black ‘space’.

Nothing is ever seen above the blue, because it is the waters of the firmament which are blue, and everything else we see is below the blue of the waters held by the firmament.

That’s easily proven by launching rockets straight upward, which would all hit the firmament walls, and veer off sideways or plummet down to Earth afterwards.

That’s what Von Braun saw, and wanted to tell us about it on his tombstone. The only reason he would put it as his last words on Earth.

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 43119
Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2025, 10:20:17 AM »
Nothing is ever seen above the blue, because it is the waters of the firmament which are blue, and everything else we see is below the blue of the waters held by the firmament.
What about the Concorde or other aircraft that flew at high altitudes and say a dark blue/black sky?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

JackBlack

  • 23638
Re: Gravity and the poles
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2025, 01:21:39 PM »
What we see is that over 85% of the air below us in a plane is completely clear, not at all blue.
Repeating the same lie will not save you.
Where if your evidence for this?
You are yet to provide any.

Stop just asserting the same dishonest BS and try backing it up.

Now they show a rocket under the blue ‘skies’
No, they show you a rocket THROUGH the blue skies.
Again, it is not a magical opaque blue which you cannot see through.
Stop pretending it is.

I asked you to show me a rocket flying upward through and above our blue skies
And you were provided it. In several different awys.
Then you demonstrated your dishonesty by rejecting it without any valid reason.

Nothing is ever seen above the blue
Plenty is.
Including the moon as shown above which you just flee from.

That’s easily proven by launching rockets straight upward, which would all hit the firmament walls, and veer off sideways or plummet down to Earth afterwards.
Which has already been done and shown to NOT do that.
But like the lying POS you are, you just ignore it or dismiss it.

Like the lying POS you are, you keep on asserting pure BS with no justification.

That’s what Von Braun saw, and wanted to tell us about it on his tombstone.
No, he didn't. He didn't even pick the words on his tombstone. Do you know why? Because he was dead before he could.
But that wont stop a lying POS like you from using it to lie to everyone.

So far all the available demonstrates beyond any sane doubt that rockets go into space, that there is no magical firmament like you keep lying to everyone about.
You have nothing to justify your claims.
All you can do is repeat the same pathetic lies.