PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2024, 03:08:31 AM »
1. Make the radius huge, e.g. 1,000,000 km.
2. Make the angle tiny, e.g. 0.001.

You'll get
1,745,329.25 cm of sine chord (17s km)
1,745,329.25 cm of tangent chord (17s km)
15.23 cm of space for the arc.

The arc is SUPERIOR than the chord
Having that distance between them doesn't mean the arc is that long.
See above.
Pi failed in experiment, maths, as well as technic companies.  ;D  8)
Yet you can't provide a single example.

In tiny angles, tangent chord & sinus chord becomes relatively IDENTICAL.
And the arc is always between them, bounded in length by them. Meaning all three become basically the same.

So arc is SUPERIOR against both chords which lead to C/D = 3.14159.
That is just pure nonsense.

We know what the tangent "chord" is. We know the sine chord is a shortcut as a straight line directly between the points.
We know the arc is a short cut that rounds out the corner from the tangent "chord", so it must be shorter than the tangent, but longer than the sine.

Again, this is not hard to understand:


The tangent and sine bound the arc length, so to the extent they agree, the arc length must also be that.

There is no way around this.
If you wish to claim there is you need to tell us how a short cut is magically longer than the non-short cut path.

Try actually addressing it.

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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2024, 11:43:35 AM »
That's 👆 not a tiny angle.
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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2024, 02:42:06 PM »
That's 👆 not a tiny angle.
Doing it with a tiny angle doesn't change anything.
Even with a tiny angle, you still have the tangent being a corner like that, with the arc cutting that corner to produce a shorter path, and the sine cutting straight across being the shortest path.
That means the arc length must always be between the sine and the tangent. There is no other option.

Literally all going to a smaller angle does is make the picture thinner or longer.
It does not change the underlying argument.
You can do the same thing by taking that picture and making it 1 million times longer, but the same width.
That will correspond to a much smaller angle for a much larger circle.
The tangent will still be a corner.
The arc will still cut that corner, making the path shorter than the tangent.
And the sine will still be a straight line, making it the shortest path.

If you want to refute this, you need to provide an actual argument, not just a baseless claim that the arc needs to be longer.
And no, saying there is extra length between the sine and tangent (i.e. that horizontal line in the diagram) does not mean the arc need to include that length.
Especially when we can already see it doesn't do that for larger angles.

e.g. for 90 degrees, with a radius of 1, the tangents forms a 90 degree corner, with a total length of both of 2.
The straight line from the sin is sqrt(2).
The distance between the straight line and the corner is sqrt(2)/2.
So the sum you claim the arc length needs to be would be sqrt(2)+sqrt(2)/2.
That is 3*sqrt(2)/2, which is roughly 2.12.
That is already longer than the corner.
That means you would already need pi to be over 4.

Your claim is pure garbage.
That width between the straight line and corner does NOT mean that the arc needs to be longer than the straight line by that much.

Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2024, 08:51:46 AM »
C/D = 3.17157 is already validated by directorate general of copyright.

Phew is not blurry stuff anymore. It's been verified by experts. 👌
And yet, my video still proves you wrong.  You have yet to and cannot refute anything in it.  Your copyright is meaningless.

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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2024, 08:27:02 PM »
There was a failure of that experiment.  Don't say "what" okay :o ;D  8)
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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2024, 08:30:14 PM »
And to the best people on earth, you must agree with 👇:

Tiny angles confirms that:
"arc is longer than chord"

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2024, 08:32:32 PM »
Circumference holds Phew
Circle Area holds Pi.

Case closed.  8)
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2024, 12:47:33 AM »
There was a failure of that experiment.
No, there was a failure of you, which that experiment demonstrated.

And to the best people on earth, you must agree with 👇:

Tiny angles confirms that:
"arc is longer than chord"
You left out the second part, and shorter than the sum of the tangents.
But for a small enough angle, they are basically all the same.

Circumference holds Phew
Circle Area holds Pi.
They must be the same, they cannot be different.
If area uses pi, the circumference must to.

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2024, 01:18:25 AM »
Try r = 1,000,000 km
angle = 0.001°
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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2024, 01:22:25 AM »
Mike's experiment gives volumebof a sphere + wire.
Okay, it's approximately 4,188.
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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2024, 01:24:29 AM »
As to a sphere volume is approximately 4 or a bit less 😅😂🤣

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2024, 01:27:59 AM »
Jack, I wanna ask:
If a hemisphere is sliced a half of its height (0.5 for r=1) how wide are area of both sliced hemisphere?
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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2024, 03:05:26 AM »
Try r = 1,000,000 km
angle = 0.001°
And the same thing will happen.
The arc MUST fall between the chord and the sum of the tangents.
It is impossible to not.

Mike's experiment gives volumebof a sphere + wire.
Okay, it's approximately 4,188.
i.e. it is roughly (4/3)*pi?
Just like sane people would expect? And nothing like your phew BS gives?

Jack, I wanna ask:
If a hemisphere is sliced a half of its height (0.5 for r=1) how wide are area of both sliced hemisphere?
Or, how about you focus on the arc first.
Once you can understand that, or justify your BS, you can move on.

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2024, 03:55:44 AM »
No maths means fail 👌
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« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2024, 11:59:38 AM »
No maths means fail 👌
So that means you fail. As you haven't provided math, while plenty of math has been provided which refutes you.

Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2024, 08:50:24 AM »
Mike's experiment gives volumebof a sphere + wire.
Okay, it's approximately 4,188.
I'm sorry but you are wrong.  You'll notice that the starting volume of water already includes the volume of the wire (time code 5:08 in the video).  Therefore, the change in water volume is only due to the sphere...NOT the sphere+wire so please don't lie about my testing.

I showed that phew doesn't work for the volume of a sphere.

I showed that none of your phew based equations will work...and at the time you had quite a few of them.

I even did your so called "6 radian experiment" and that failed.

The fact is, my video proves phew cannot work and you have never refuted anything I presented.  You even acknowledged that that pi was correct.

BTW, either phew works for all equations with a circumference over diameter component (i.e. pi) or it fails.  Simple as that.  IOW, you need to show the math works or all your claims about phew can be dismissed.  That's how science works.

Mike
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Danang

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2024, 10:41:29 AM »
You should fix the way you do the experiment.
Why not using a thread?

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2024, 10:47:53 AM »
If in a tiny angle, the tangent's cord length of x° is shorter than sine's cord length of 0.5x° times 2, it means pi is invalid.
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JackBlack

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« Reply #48 on: December 25, 2024, 02:30:41 PM »
You should fix the way you do the experiment.
Why not using a thread?
Because a thread ads to the width.

Say you have a circle that is 10 cm wide, and a thread that has a diameter of 2 mm.
The circumference of the circle itself would be 31.41592654 cm.
The circumference of an circle at the centre of the thread would be 32.04424507 cm, giving an overestimate of pi of 3.204424507.
The circumference of an circle at the outside of the thread would be 32.6725636 cm, giving an overestimate of pi of 3.26725636.

This is where uncertainty in physical measurements come in.

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Then why has it been stopped repeatedly?



If in a tiny angle, the tangent's cord length of x° is shorter than sine's cord length of 0.5x° times 2, it means pi is invalid.
Firstly, IF, i.e. you have no evidence of this.
Secondly, Why? Why would such a thing make pi invalid rather than all of geometry? How would your BS save it?

Thirdly, you are making an invalid comparison and saying nonsense (a tangent isn't a chord). You are comparing a tangent of x degrees with 2 times the sine of half the angle. Why? These are fundamentally different angles and lengths.
What you should be comparing is something like this:

The length of the vertical line is 2*r*sin(a/2).
The triangle part is 2*r*tan(a/2).

What you are instead comparing is this:


If that is wrong, that entirely breaks Euclidean geometry.


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Danang

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2024, 01:00:28 AM »
My point is tiny angle AND the relatively same length between sine and tangent chords
How many times should I repeat it? ~
 
If Pi were true, the calculations would ruin clear values of perfect circle in a square field, i.e. 0,2928932, 0,7071068, 0.5857864, 0.414214, etc.
Try Phew Geometry, which skip any Pi value calculation.  ;)


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« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2024, 01:05:19 AM »
Jack, I suggested Microbeta to use thread (instead of wire) for his experiment of sphere volume as shown at the video above.
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« Reply #51 on: December 26, 2024, 02:19:42 AM »
My point is tiny angle AND the relatively same length between sine and tangent chords
How many times should I repeat it?
Repeating the same BS wont help.

Yes, as the angle gets smaller, the sine, tangent and arc length all approach each other.
This is expected, not a problem.

If Pi were true, the calculations would ruin clear values of perfect circle in a square field, i.e. 0,2928932, 0,7071068, 0.5857864, 0.414214, etc.
i.e. Pi doesn't match your nice pretty fantasy so you reject it.

Try justifying any of them.

e.g. why should that yellow square have the same area as the parts of the circle marked?
Do you have any justification at all?
Or are you doing it entirely the wrong way around, where you want them to be the same so you assert they are and get the circular area wrong because of it?

Jack, I suggested Microbeta to use thread (instead of wire) for his experiment of sphere volume as shown at the video above.
So you are asking why they used a wire as a rigid support instead of a thread?
Why do you think?

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2024, 04:37:59 AM »
C/D = 3.17157 is already validated by directorate general of copyright.

Phew is not blurry stuff anymore. It's been verified by experts. 👌
I think we can measure the exact value of Pi as follows. Find a laser and a precise cutting tool. Attach the tool to the end of a string or place it on a platform that allows it to draw in a circular motion. Place an object underneath the tool so that it draws a circle with a radius of 1 unit. Weigh the object in the 1x1 unit area and note the value. Then, weigh the circular shape drawn by the laser. Compare the two values. There you have the value of Pi.

To increase the accuracy of the measurement, you can enlarge the diameter of the circle.

If you do it this way, you can officially say that you have calculated the value of Pi.
1+2+3+...+∞= 1

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« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2024, 02:47:16 PM »
C/D = 3.17157 is already validated by directorate general of copyright.

Phew is not blurry stuff anymore. It's been verified by experts. 👌
I think we can measure the exact value of Pi as follows. Find a laser and a precise cutting tool. Attach the tool to the end of a string or place it on a platform that allows it to draw in a circular motion. Place an object underneath the tool so that it draws a circle with a radius of 1 unit. Weigh the object in the 1x1 unit area and note the value. Then, weigh the circular shape drawn by the laser. Compare the two values. There you have the value of Pi.

To increase the accuracy of the measurement, you can enlarge the diameter of the circle.

If you do it this way, you can officially say that you have calculated the value of Pi.

There are also simpler, but less accurate versions of this which anyone can do.
Get a sheet of paper, and print the outline of a circle and a square.
Then cut them out and weigh them and calculate the ratio and link back to pi.

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Danang

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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2024, 03:08:18 PM »
C/D = 3.17157 is already validated by directorate general of copyright.

Phew is not blurry stuff anymore. It's been verified by experts. 👌
I think we can measure the exact value of Pi as follows. Find a laser and a precise cutting tool. Attach the tool to the end of a string or place it on a platform that allows it to draw in a circular motion. Place an object underneath the tool so that it draws a circle with a radius of 1 unit. Weigh the object in the 1x1 unit area and note the value. Then, weigh the circular shape drawn by the laser. Compare the two values. There you have the value of Pi.

To increase the accuracy of the measurement, you can enlarge the diameter of the circle.

If you do it this way, you can officially say that you have calculated the value of Pi.

That's a good idea. But so far there have been so many contradictions concerning 3.14159 standard. It doesn't work in reality, it has serious issues in maths.
Maybe in health as well.

3.14159 ain't implement phytagoras. It's been pre-installed since the beginning.
Is it really maths, or ... superstition? 🤔
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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2024, 03:09:43 PM »
C/D = 3.17157 is already validated by directorate general of copyright.

Phew is not blurry stuff anymore. It's been verified by experts. 👌
I think we can measure the exact value of Pi as follows. Find a laser and a precise cutting tool. Attach the tool to the end of a string or place it on a platform that allows it to draw in a circular motion. Place an object underneath the tool so that it draws a circle with a radius of 1 unit. Weigh the object in the 1x1 unit area and note the value. Then, weigh the circular shape drawn by the laser. Compare the two values. There you have the value of Pi.

To increase the accuracy of the measurement, you can enlarge the diameter of the circle.

If you do it this way, you can officially say that you have calculated the value of Pi.

There are also simpler, but less accurate versions of this which anyone can do.
Get a sheet of paper, and print the outline of a circle and a square.
Then cut them out and weigh them and calculate the ratio and link back to pi.

Okay .. phew will show up ~
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« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2024, 03:11:12 PM »
As long as there is no distortion on the device, i.e. electronic assault.
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« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2024, 11:36:13 PM »
That's a good idea. But so far there have been so many contradictions concerning 3.14159 standard. It doesn't work in reality, it has serious issues in maths.
Then why are you yet to provide a single contradiction or a single issue with the math?

So far all you have done is shown experiments with low accuracy which can't tell, and show that it doesn't give the nice results you want.
That is an issue with you, not the math.
Some might even say it is superstitious for you to think those results with your phew BS should be correct, as you have no basis for them.

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« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2025, 06:23:41 AM »
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Re: PHEW IS OFFICIALLY VERIFIED
« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2025, 08:06:03 AM »


Dangle Danang, is that your selfie?
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