How does gravity works in FE?

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2024, 03:59:34 PM »
A vacuum cannot support actual buoyancy (at least not any significant amount), which relies upon gravity to create a pressure gradient which in turn pushes things up.

But their fantasy version is quite different.
It just compares the density of the object with the density of the surroundings and that magically makes it go up or down.
As there is no mechanism nor any basis for this working at all, regardless of the object being in a vacuum or air, or water, or anything; it doesn't really matter what is there it doesn't work, simply because it doesn't work.
I thought they are citing buoyancy but I guess I am wrong now.
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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2024, 02:58:30 AM »
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Why would they need a cause?
Why must objects start motionless and be put into motion?
Why does it matter what caused their motion

Since nothing would ever BE in motion without a force acting on any object in the first place.

Ignoring how all objects can become in motion, is the only thing that made them in motion, and to not account for the cause of their motion, is simply their way of not accounting for why they stop being in motion from using up what created their motion ended its motion afterwards.

When a force causes objects to become in motion, it forms into kinetic energy, motion which is only due to that force of energy from it.

But the force of it as energy is NOT INFINITE ENERGY, but that is what Newton is trying to suggest is true. He claims any object in motion has infinite motion while ignoring the cause of its motion, because he knows it does NOT cause infinite motion from its limited energy acting on objects.

It is the loss of energy used up in the objects which stops their motion, or would stop it without any external force acting on it. The main reason they stop is the loss of energy from the force acting on it

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2024, 09:58:00 AM »

Since nothing would ever BE in motion without a force acting on any object in the first place.

Ignoring how all objects can become in motion, is the only thing that made them in motion, and to not account for the cause of their motion, is simply their way of not accounting for why they stop being in motion from using up what created their motion ended its motion afterwards.

When a force causes objects to become in motion, it forms into kinetic energy, motion which is only due to that force of energy from it.

But the force of it as energy is NOT INFINITE ENERGY, but that is what Newton is trying to suggest is true. He claims any object in motion has infinite motion while ignoring the cause of its motion, because he knows it does NOT cause infinite motion from its limited energy acting on objects.

It is the loss of energy used up in the objects which stops their motion, or would stop it without any external force acting on it. The main reason they stop is the loss of energy from the force acting on it
Okay, we get that you have a beef with Newton's law, maybe it is time for you to prove that it is wrong.
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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2024, 01:27:28 PM »
Since nothing would ever BE in motion without a force acting on any object in the first place.
That is your baseless claim. A claim you are yet to substantiate.

Ignoring how all objects can become in motion
It is entirely irrelevant what put them in motion.

You are yet to provide any reason why it should matter or any evidence to show it should.
If I pick up an object and throw it upwards, it moves upwards, slowing down and then coming back down.
If I throw up and to the right, its horizontal velocity remains basically the same while its vertical velocity slows down and it goes back down.
If I throw it down, it just speeds up.
If the cause of motion or its origin had anything to do with it, we should expect the same thing to happen, just rotated.
i.e. If I throw up and to the right, it should follow a straight line, slowing down, until it reaches a peak where it stops completely, and then it should come back to me, accelerating down and to the left.

But it doesn't.
So what puts it into motion clearly doesn't matter.
The origin clearly doesn't matter.

What we observe is a downwards force accelerating the object.

And objects stop because of other forces.

When a force causes objects to become in motion, it forms into kinetic energy, motion which is only due to that force of energy from it.
Yes, and that kinetic energy can't magically be destroyed.
The kinetic energy is entirely due to the object being in motion.
If the object magically stopped with no further interactions, that energy magically vanishes, a direct violation of the law of conservation of energy.

Without other forces acting, conservation of energy DEMANDS the object continues.

The only way to stop the object is to turn that kinetic energy into heat (or something else) via some kind of interaction, such as frictional forces slowing the object down and converting that energy to heat.

But the force of it as energy is NOT INFINITE ENERGY, but that is what Newton is trying to suggest is true.
No, that is your blatant lie.
A lie you are yet to substantiate in any way.
A lie you keep repeating because you cannot refute reality, and because you don't like reality and don't care about the truth.

Motion continuing forever is still FINITE energy.
Infinite energy would be an object with finite and non zero mass travelling at the speed of light.

The formula for kinetic energy, for an object travelling at a relatively low speed is E=0.5*m*v^2.
Notice this has NOTHING to do with distance or time travelled.
It is simply half the mass multiplied by the velocity squared.
So if you take an object with finite mass, travelling at a finite velocity, you will have a finite energy.
And unless something takes this energy away, the object will continue moving.
It takes no energy for an object to continue moving at the same velocity in the absence of other forces.
It is if you want to increase the velocity that energy must be expended, and if you want to stop it, you can either expend energy or use some other force which will take the kinetic energy from the object.

If you wish to assert infinite energy, explain where this is coming from.
Explain what magic takes away the kinetic energy of the object with no force/interaction, and where this energy goes.

It is the loss of energy used up in the objects which stops their motion, or would stop it without any external force acting on it. The main reason they stop is the loss of energy from the force acting on it
Except that is quite clearly pure BS, as explained above.
Where is this energy going? It can't just magically vanish.

The only way for that loss of energy to occur is some interaction which causes the energy to be converted into another form. That interaction will have a force associated with it.
So the reason it stops is because of a FORCE interacting with it which converts the kinetic energy into something else (usually heat).

And without that loss of energy (i.e. if there is no force interacting with it) it continues moving with the same kinetic energy.

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2024, 11:03:29 PM »
Are you assuming space is a vacuum?
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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2024, 12:32:33 AM »
Are you assuming space is a vacuum?
No. I'm pointing out that to slow something down you need a force, and that in a hypothetical situation where no force is acting on it it will not slow down, it will not have its kinetic energy magically vanish and turn to nothing.

Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #66 on: October 14, 2024, 05:26:45 AM »
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Why would they need a cause?
Why must objects start motionless and be put into motion?
Why does it matter what caused their motion

Since nothing would ever BE in motion without a force acting on any object in the first place.

YES, to put in motion an unmoving object you have to apply a force and expend some energy (which becomes the kinetic energy KE of the object). This is just what Newtonian mechanics says.

(what, then, put in motion the Earth and the galaxy? This would carry us too far and too back in time, so let's leave this aside for now)

(btw, KE is a relative concept, like velocity. Funny question: on a moving train you throw a ball toward the back. You have to exert a force and to expend energy. So the ball has acquired speed and KE, RELATIVELY to the train. But, RELATIVELY TO THE GROUND, the ball's speed and KE have diminished! So the question is: where has your energy gone?
I'll leave this to you all to ponder. If somebody is interested, I'll give the answer in a future reply)

Let's now tackle the claim that you need a constant supply of energy to keep something in motion, and that otherwise the KE "dries up"

Ignoring how all objects can become in motion, is the only thing that made them in motion, and to not account for the cause of their motion, is simply their way of not accounting for why they stop being in motion from using up what created their motion ended its motion afterwards.

When a force causes objects to become in motion, it forms into kinetic energy, motion which is only due to that force of energy from it.

But the force of it as energy is NOT INFINITE ENERGY, but that is what Newton is trying to suggest is true. He claims any object in motion has infinite motion while ignoring the cause of its motion, because he knows it does NOT cause infinite motion from its limited energy acting on objects.

It is the loss of energy used up in the objects which stops their motion, or would stop it without any external force acting on it. The main reason they stop is the loss of energy from the force acting on it

Do this experiment: give a push to a 5-kg disk (of those for weight-lifting) while it lies horizontally on a moquette. It will move just inches. On a smooth floor, maybe one meter. On smooth ice, 10 meters or more.

So we begin to understand that KE is not lost by itself, but through an interaction between the object and the surrounding medium. Which opposes a FORCE to its motion. We name this force FRICTION. And we experience it every time we drag a heavy box on the floor (on ice it's much weaker, but there we have the opposite problem: not enough friction between our shoes and the ice).

So experimental evidence leads us to suppose: if we could remove all causes of friction, allowing the object to move in absolute vacuum, its motion could go on forever. This is the content of Newton's 1st Law, which has never been experimentally disproved. Every time we see a motion stopping, we can point to a cause of friction, or to some other force. And we DO have some motion which, apparently, goes on without giving any sign of slowing down: the electric current (that is, the motion of electrons) in a superconducting material.

Of course, not even the Earth moves in a perfect vacuum. To say just one, there are the protons of the solar wind (5-10 per cm^3). How long will it take for them to slow down the Earth in a significant way? A short calculation shows: about 3 BILLIONS BILLIONS years to halve Earth's speed. Nothing to worry about for a LONG time.

Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2024, 12:54:19 AM »
Are you assuming space is a vacuum?
No. I'm pointing out that to slow something down you need a force, and that in a hypothetical situation where no force is acting on it it will not slow down, it will not have its kinetic energy magically vanish and turn to nothing.

Energy is created out of nothing, all the time.

You create energy from nothing, it didn’t exist until you created it.

Putting electrical wires which had no energy into a charged receptacle gives the wires energy out of nothing.

When you unplug the wires it loses its energy, where did it have to go then?

Kinetic energy is the same as all types of energy. It dissipates and dies out of that energy. No force needs to stop its motion. It was created and dies out of the same energy, simple as that.

What you’re trying to claim is that energy is infinite, acting on objects with infinite power to create infinite motion in objects.

That’s nonsense.

Two levels of energy acting on the same object create more and less motion in the object, in the very same conditions.

The variable of energy is the reason for more and less motion of the same object in same conditions.


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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2024, 02:15:11 AM »
Energy is created out of nothing, all the time.
No, it never is.
Care to provide a single example?

Putting electrical wires which had no energy into a charged receptacle gives the wires energy out of nothing.
If that was the case, you wouldn't need the receptacle.
That is not creating energy out of nothing.
That is transferring the energy, specifically from the receptacle to the cord (and then onto whatever that cord is attached to.

When you unplug the wires it loses its energy, where did it have to go then?
To the device it was attached to, or it is retained in the capacitance of the wires and has so little energy it isn't funny.

Kinetic energy is the same as all types of energy.
i.e. it cannot be created or destroyed. It needs to be converted from a different form to make it kinetic energy, and it needs to change to a different form to stop being kinetic energy.

It dissipates
i.e. it would be converted to another form, such as heat, due to friction.

No force needs to stop its motion.
If there is no force, there is no way for it to dissipate.

What you’re trying to claim is that energy is infinite, acting on objects with infinite power to create infinite motion in objects.
That’s nonsense.
Your claim certainly is nonsense as that is NOTHING like what I am claiming.

What I am actually claiming is that when you apply a force to an object to accelerate it you are imparting kinetic energy to it.
Once it is moving at a finite speed it has a finite amount of energy.
This remains until another force acts to take away that energy.

There is no infinite energy here.

If you want to claim it magically dies out, why don't you tell us at what rate this energy magically dies out?

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2024, 12:16:38 PM »
Energy is created out of nothing, all the time.

You create energy from nothing, it didn’t exist until you created it.
How can energy be created?

Putting electrical wires which had no energy into a charged receptacle gives the wires energy out of nothing.
Yeah, because there are power plants outside your city generating the energy from burning stuff or other methods.

When you unplug the wires it loses its energy, where did it have to go then?
To the device, or dissipate as heat or radiation.

Kinetic energy is the same as all types of energy. It dissipates and dies out of that energy. No force needs to stop its motion. It was created and dies out of the same energy, simple as that.
Then how would the energy dissipate? By magic?

What you’re trying to claim is that energy is infinite, acting on objects with infinite power to create infinite motion in objects.

That’s nonsense.
No one is claiming such thing, moving object does not need forces to keep moving.

Two levels of energy acting on the same object create more and less motion in the object, in the very same conditions.

The variable of energy is the reason for more and less motion of the same object in same conditions.
How would you have 2 kinetic energy "applied" on the same object at the same time?
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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2024, 02:59:20 AM »
Energy is not infinite, energy acting on objects to put them into motion is called kinetic energy, entirely from a force acting on the object, entirely what causes its motion, entirely which is spent by the object while using up that energy of that force to start with.

Energy that causes objects into motion, does not make infinite motion out of it.

Again, when Newton began by saying ‘objects in motion’ tend to stay in motion unless acted on by another force, he ignored the most important part, that there ARENT any objects that exist within a state of motion by themselves. 

So when he starts off with ‘objects in motion’….there’s no objects just ‘in motion’, because they are all MOTIONLESS objects, and only if a force PUTS them into motion, while Newton deliberately ignored the cause of their motion is a force acting on them.

Gee, why are objects in motion?

How does that matter, they’re just in motion, no reason for it, okay?

I’m pretending that objects just are in motion, so I can keep going from that bs and sell a magical made up force, and hope nobody notices I skipped over that they weren’t in motion at first!!

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #71 on: October 26, 2024, 01:55:44 PM »
Energy is not infinite
And that is only a problem for your strawman.

energy acting on objects to put them into motion is called kinetic energy
No, energy as objects in motion is called kinetic energy.

Energy that causes objects into motion, does not make infinite motion out of it.
Again, unless there is another interaction to take away that kinetic energy, it does.

he ignored the most important part
No, he didn't. Because that is entirely irrelevant.

Once more, it doesn't matter what put them into motion.
Again, what matters is that now that they are in motion, they have kinetic energy. In order for that motion to stop that kinetic energy has to go somewhere.
It can't magically stop as that would simply destroy the energy.

And it certainly doesn't magically cause them to stop, reverse direction, and go back to where they came.

Again, all the evidence shows that interactions after they are motion is what causes them to stop.

If it was objects magically stopping for no reason and going back to where they came then you simply be able to pick up a ball, throw it to the right and have it come back to you.
But you can't.

It would also travel in a straight line regardless of what direction you threw it in.

The fact it follows a roughly parabolic trajectory with a near constant horizontal velocity demonstrates that what put in in motion is entirely irrelevant and instead there is a downwards force acting on it to accelerate it downwards.

If you wish to claim otherwise, you need to explain that parabolic trajectory, rather than just repeating the same pathetic, desperate BS.

that there ARENT any objects that exist within a state of motion by themselves.
Yet you have absolutely no basis for this claim.
Even in your delusional fantasy you have objects in motion, like the sun.
What put the sun into motion?

Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #72 on: October 27, 2024, 01:39:56 AM »
So when object is in motion, that kinetic energy is infinite, unless another force acts on the object, stopping its kinetic energy, and blocking out that energy, not transforming it afterwards.

If your energy throwing a rock is transformed into kinetic energy, where does your energy go if you throw up nothing at all?

How can it transform into other energy? Your energy goes into the air, and vanishes out of existence.

Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #73 on: October 27, 2024, 01:01:49 PM »
"Objects in motion stay in motion"


As a thought experiment on its current state.
Irrelevanr to previous inputs of energy to get to motion.
The thought is what qould itbtake to change said motion.

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« Reply #74 on: October 27, 2024, 01:46:02 PM »
So when object is in motion, that kinetic energy is infinite
No, that kinetic energy is finite.
And while the object has that kinetic energy, it keeps moving.
To stop the object, that energy has to go somewhere.
Such as when an object slides along the ground, converting the kinetic energy to heat through friction.

The only one pretending there is any infinite energy involved is you.
I'm admitting it is finite and understanding what that means.

If your energy throwing a rock is transformed into kinetic energy, where does your energy go if you throw up nothing at all?
If you notice, it is much harder to throw a rock, than an empty arm.
The energy from just moving your arm around with nothing in it is released as heat, from your muscles and tendons and so on.
If you pick up an object with mass and throw it, it is harder to do so because it is taking more energy to do so.

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« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2024, 01:26:58 AM »
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Again, what matters is that now that they are in motion, they have kinetic energy. In order for that motion to stop that kinetic energy has to go somewhere.
It can't magically stop as that would simply destroy the energy.

Kinetic energy isn’t infinite energy, all forms of energy are finite, not infinite.

Energy is created into existence and dies out of existence, over and over again.

Within us, and all living things, and within the living natural world, stars and Sun, wind and rain, there is energy.

But it is not infinite energy, that doesn’t exist at all.

Energy is created into existence by things that have energy, but it is used as finite energy when applied elsewhere.

Our energy dies off when we die off. It exists no more.

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2024, 03:22:45 AM »
Kinetic energy isn’t infinite energy
And no one other than you is pretending it is.

Energy is created into existence and dies out of existence, over and over again.
No, it never is.
Instead it is converted from one form to another.

For example, a combustion powered motor takes in chemical potential energy from the fuel to make kinetic and thermal energy.
When you then stop it, you apply the breaks to cause the friction to convert that kinetic energy into heat.

At no point is this energy created or destroyed.

Even within us, YOU TAKE IN FOOD! That is chemical potential energy.
When you burn that food, you convert that energy to another form. If you are riding a bike, you convert it into kinetic energy.
If you instead walk or run, you convert it to a small amount of kinetic energy which gets converted to heat due to interactions with the ground.

You are NOT creating energy.

Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2024, 10:07:33 PM »
When the energy is ‘converted’ into heat, that heat cools down and/or dissipates into the air, right?

So where does this energy still exist? It is spent and has died off. It doesn’t exist anymore, that energy is gone forever.

I guess that’s why you stopped talking about it after it was converted into heat, that’s where it dies out. No longer exists.

Even worse is your claim that energy is never created. Have you heard of the Sun? It creates energy constantly, every day and every year, and every day in future, it will CREATE more energy.

What happens is that the Sun and us and so on, are capable of creating forms of energy within ourselves, as a power or energy which is brand new, never existing as energy before that point.  We generate energy, into existence. That energy did not exist until then.

When you throw a rock and it hits a wall, its kinetic energy does not get absorbed into other energy in the wall. It is gone, no longer exists at all

Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2024, 10:47:25 PM »
Energy is always created from sources which CAN create energy from within. It is then spent out or transformed in some way, and then is spent out and no longer exists or is transformed elsewhere.

We are sources or creators of energy from within. Living things have energy, create energy, which did not exist before.

When an electrical storm starts, it created new energy from certain conditions. The energy did not exist before the conditions were in place to create the electrical storm.

The wall stopped the rock and its energy was snuffed out of existence. It didn’t go elsewhere, it was gone, the end.

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #79 on: November 03, 2024, 12:04:17 AM »
When the energy is ‘converted’ into heat, that heat cools down and/or dissipates into the air, right?
So where does this energy still exist? It is spent and has died off. It doesn’t exist anymore, that energy is gone forever.
Notice the key word here?
Dissipates.
The heat spreads out.
Some is radiated away into space as radiation, some is spread through conduction.

But you can take measures to reduce both.
The energy never dies. It is just converted from one form to another.

Even worse is your claim that energy is never created. Have you heard of the Sun?
Do you mean the nuclear furnace that covers nuclear potential energy into radiation?
It doesn't magically create energy either. It just converts it from one form to another.
And as it does so, it depletes its fuel, such that after several billion years it will run out and die.

What happens is that the Sun and us and so on, are capable of creating forms of energy within ourselves, as a power or energy which is brand new, never existing as energy before that point.  We generate energy, into existence. That energy did not exist until then.
Prove it.
Never eat again and live forever.
If you can magically create energy, that should be trivial.

When you throw a rock and it hits a wall
its kinetic energy is converted into other forms of energy, include heat.

Energy is always created from sources
If it was created, it wouldn't need a source.

Energy is always CONVERTED from a source, going from one form to another.
It is never created nor destroyed.

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #80 on: November 03, 2024, 04:49:54 PM »
Energy is created into existence and dies out of existence, over and over again.
Not according to the law of conservation of energy.  But you know this already.

Kinetic energy is generally converted to potential energy and back.  You do know what potential energy is, don't you?

Perhaps you are confusing adding or removing energy from a system with creating or destroying energy.  They are not the same thing.
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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2024, 07:41:12 AM »
when things hit a wall

the potential E bonds that hold it together are broken and comes off as heat.

a noise is created sending out shockwaves.


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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #82 on: November 09, 2024, 06:59:34 AM »
Sources create energy from within that didn’t exist before they created it, not transformed it from energy that oreviously existed.

When we die, the source of energy no longer exists, the energy it could create before is gone.

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #83 on: November 09, 2024, 02:38:44 PM »
Sources create energy from within that didn’t exist before they created it, not transformed it from energy that oreviously existed.

When we die, the source of energy no longer exists, the energy it could create before is gone.
Yet you cannot provide a single example of this.
Again, if you were a magical source of energy you would never need to eat.
So why don't you try proving your claim, by locking yourself in a box, and livestreaming it for a period of several months showing you never eating.

Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #84 on: November 10, 2024, 12:10:52 AM »
What is potential energy? Energy that is not yet created into actual energy.

Energy must be created into existence.

Saying energy transforms into other forms, is either another form of energy, or not a form of energy.

Energy is dynamic, it is constantly being created as energy, from the same source, like us, and dies off, and created again and dies off again.

Energy is created and dies off, same as everything does, even the Sun will die off some day.

Living things are created and die off, as does the energy they created dies off.

Food is constantly created, which creates new energy that didn’t exist before the plant came into existence.

Only our spirit is eternal, not momentary or physically limited.

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #85 on: November 10, 2024, 02:47:33 AM »
What is potential energy? Energy that is not yet created into actual energy.
Energy that is stored in a particular way.

For example, if you take a rechargeable battery, and charge it, you are applying electrical energy into the battery which is causing an electrochemical reaction to occur, which results in energy being stored as chemical potential energy.
That energy can then later be released.

Using that battery is not creating energy, it is converting it from one form to another.

If it wasn't simply storing the energy, and instead was magically creating energy, you would never need to charge it.

Saying energy transforms into other forms, is either another form of energy, or not a form of energy.
And potential energy is a form of energy.
Your attempt to reject that or redefine it does not change reality.

Food is constantly created
Which still doesn't create new energy.
Instead, plants convert photons (radiation energy) into chemical potential energy. Animals eat the plants, releasing some of that chemical energy and converting it into other forms of chemical potential energy (different molecules) and just straight storing some.

At no point is energy magically created.

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #86 on: November 10, 2024, 04:59:48 AM »
To have potential energy, it must first be created to offer such.
To make it simpler, you only have to look at something like electric mountain, which stores water up it by actually pumping it up, ready to be released from potential energy storage. It takes as much energy to pump as it gets back upon its release from storage.
Same as a plane, a lift, or a thrown stone, etc etc etc.

You only get out of something exactly as you put it, at all times. No more no less.

Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #87 on: November 10, 2024, 08:33:23 AM »
Conservation of energy confirmed

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« Reply #88 on: November 15, 2024, 10:40:50 PM »
You first claimed energy isn’t created into existence and never stops existing as energy.

And then you claimed there is potential energy.

Which is not energy at all, it does not exist as energy.

It must first be created into energy, as I told you.

It’s not energy if it’s not created into energy first. It may never exist as energy, too.

So energy is created into existence, then.

I have the parts for a potential car to be created into existence, but it’s not a car if it’s a potential car from the parts to create a car

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Re: How does gravity works in FE?
« Reply #89 on: November 16, 2024, 12:42:35 AM »
You first claimed energy isn’t created into existence and never stops existing as energy.
And then you claimed there is potential energy.
Which is a form of energy.
You not liking that fact will not change it.
Potential energy is a FORM of energy.
Converting from potential energy to some other form is NOT creating energy. It is converting it.
Converting from something else to potential energy is NOT destroying energy. It is destroying it.