The Bible Supports a Flat Level Earth

There are over 200 verses in the bible which backs up a flat, level & stationary earth.

There are over 200 verses in the bible which backs up a flat, level & stationary earth.

well, there's also plenty of verses in which Yahweh gives definite commandments about SLAVERY (not to mention his order to “kill every breathing being in cities vowed to extermination”). So, should we admit slavery in our society?

Mind well, I regard the Bible, be it of divine or human origin, as a fundamental step in the evolution of ethical thinking. Hopefully, not the last. But how can we accept the LITERAL truth of every single word? (like those mentioned above). It's clear that, if there was divine inspiration, it has been filtered by a mist of human misconceptions common to all peoples in that time.

If you want, you may also think that God just didn't want to upset ancient Hebrews by telling them about the true shape of the Earth. When your 4-years old child asks you where babies come from, do you tell him/her the whole story right away?

There are over 200 verses in the bible which backs up a flat, level & stationary earth.

Have you ever considered the possibility of the guys who wrote bible being an idiot?
There are over 200,000 science texts that backs up a spherical, slightly oblate, and orbiting earth.

There are over 200 verses in the bible which backs up a flat, level & stationary earth.

I could take each and every one of your 200 bible verses which you say backs up a flat, level, & stationary flat earth, and spin each of them to back a globe rotating on it's axis in it's orbit around the sun in a solar system.

Besides, the bible is mostly allegorical, attempting to teach people how to live better lives through great story and morality tales. In the new testament alone, Jesus uses allegories continuously to teach higher thinking and aspects of the creator. The bible's primary purpose was not to be read literally, but to raise people's thinking about ethics and morality and make society a better place.  It worked too, as every society's laws are scaled similarly to the ten commandments.

If you want to never attend your church ever again, purchase for yourself a book titled, "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors or Christianity Before Christ", by Kersey Graves, Copyright 1875.

That will set you straight about your beloved bible.

There are over 200 verses in the bible which backs up a flat, level & stationary earth.

Which just demonstrates the Bible is wrong.

Again, if your fairy tale book contradicts reality, the book is wrong.
It doesn't make reality wrong.

There are over 200 verses

That are vague, poetic, and figurative.

We been through this before.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 15, 2024, 12:04:24 PM

it meant what we would mean when we say “cut it out!”. In other words, STOP IT. If you are doing something that is offensive or harmful, stop it

The bible and has this..  which you are ignoring. 

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It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

— Isaiah 40:22 (NKJV)

Which, oddly enough.  A circle has the same outline as a sphere?


So how can a circle have four comers if the below bible verse is literal? 

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He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.

— Isaiah 11:12 (NKJV)

Ever think the bible is very figurative vs literal.

Funny.  The Bible isn’t literal when you want it to be Apple Scruff.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 15, 2024, 12:04:24 PM

As for cutting off body parts, none as my right hand & my right eye has not offended me.

Then this is a lie?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 15, 2024, 12:04:24 PM

In Aramaic, the language of Jesus,

I thought the New Testament was written in Greek and Hebrew?

What word is that?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 15, 2024, 12:04:24 PM

it meant what we would mean when we say “cut it out!”. In other words, STOP IT. If you are doing something that is offensive or harmful, stop it

You mean the bible isn’t literal?  Like the original Hebrew used for firmament was used in the context of expanse.

The Bible makes mention to edges of the earth, things that are under the earth, and the earth being over a void. It's clearly a Flat Earth book. It was also written before the Ancient Greeks came up with the Round Earth theory, so it's a Flat Earth book de facto.

The Bible makes mention to edges of the earth, things that are under the earth, and the earth being over a void. It's clearly a Flat Earth book. It was also written before the Ancient Greeks came up with the Round Earth theory, so it's a Flat Earth book de facto.

So you mean to say that your bible was written by cavemen who had no idea about the shape of the earth?

The Bible makes mention to edges of the earth, things that are under the earth, and the earth being over a void. It's clearly a Flat Earth book. It was also written before the Ancient Greeks came up with the Round Earth theory, so it's a Flat Earth book de facto.

It most definitely is, you can't go wrong by God's word. He states how the earth is unmovable therefore there's no way we can be orbiting the sun.

It most definitely is, you can't go wrong by God's word. He states how the earth is unmovable therefore there's no way we can be orbiting the sun.

Except as clearly shown by this thread, "God's word" is pure BS.
If it can't even get the shape of Earth right, why would you trust it for anything?

Again, if the garbage book you use contradicts reality, then your garbage book is wrong.

If the earth were flat and level, rivers would not flow.  Right?

If the earth were flat and level, rivers would not flow.  Right?

Well.  Rain hasn’t to go somewhere in ether model. 

However, if water seems its own level..

But there is low tides, high tides, tides going out, tides going out.  Tidal bores that travel up river. 

Just out of curiosity, what does the Bible say about North and South America, Australia and Antarctica?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on July 07, 2024, 02:48:06 AM

It most definitely is, you can't go wrong by God's word. He states how the earth is unmovable therefore there's no way we can be orbiting the sun.

Except as clearly shown by this thread, "God's word" is pure BS.
If it can't even get the shape of Earth right, why would you trust it for anything?

Again, if the garbage book you use contradicts reality, then your garbage book is wrong.

The bible does get the shape of Earth right. Religion, history, and philosophy isn't your forte is it?

Isaiah, chapter 40, verse 22, states, "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the Earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers, that stretcher out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

"The circle of the Earth", clearly refers to the Earth not having literally four corners, but being circular like the shape of a round dinner plate or a sphere.

Besides, "four corners" refers to the extremities of the Earth. It is a figurative saying. "Kanaph" in Hebrew can refer to corners or to extremities. Only a fucktard would choose it refers to corners over extremities regarding the shape of the Earth.

The bible does get the shape of Earth right. Religion, history, and philosophy isn't your forte is it?

Isaiah, chapter 40, verse 22, states, "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the Earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers, that stretcher out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

"The circle of the Earth", clearly refers to the Earth not having literally four corners, but being circular like the shape of a round dinner plate or a sphere.

The Hebrew word for circle and sphere are the same word.  After all, a sphere from above appears as a circle.

The first line of Isaiah 40:22 reads, “It is he [i.e. God] who sits above the circle of the earth.” Some have argued from this that Scripture teaches the earth to be a flat disc, rather than a globe. However, even if the original Hebrew is correctly understood to refer to a circle, this doesn’t necessarily indicate something flat; a sphere appears as a circle when seen from above—and indeed from whatever direction it is viewed.

If the Ancient Hebrews believed in a round earth we would know about it. Instead, it is widely known that they believed in a flat one. Just look up the cosmology of the Ancient Hebrew universe.

The bible does get the shape of Earth right.

No, it doesn't.
There is no part of it which describes Earth as roughly spherical, yet plenty which indicate it is flat.
Including the verse you have appealed to, clearly describing Earth as flat with a dome over it.

But that wont stop a bunch of religious nuts lying about it to pretend their fairy tale is correct.

The Hebrew word for circle and sphere are the same word.  After all, a sphere from above appears as a circle.

Quote from: https://creation.com/isaiah-40-22-circle-sphere

The first line of Isaiah 40:22 reads, “It is he [i.e. God] who sits above the circle of the earth.” Some have argued from this that Scripture teaches the earth to be a flat disc, rather than a globe. However, even if the original Hebrew is correctly understood to refer to a circle, this doesn’t necessarily indicate something flat; a sphere appears as a circle when seen from above—and indeed from whatever direction it is viewed.

Even that isn't saying the word is the same.
Instead it is saying that when viewed from above a sphere is a circle.
Which requires ignoring the rest of the verse.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 07, 2024, 05:32:44 PM

The bible does get the shape of Earth right.

No, it doesn't.
There is no part of it which describes Earth as roughly spherical, yet plenty which indicate it is flat.
Including the verse you have appealed to, clearly describing Earth as flat with a dome over it.

But that wont stop a bunch of religious nuts lying about it to pretend their fairy tale is correct.

Quote from: markjo on July 07, 2024, 09:05:04 PM

The Hebrew word for circle and sphere are the same word.  After all, a sphere from above appears as a circle.

Quote from: https://creation.com/isaiah-40-22-circle-sphere

The first line of Isaiah 40:22 reads, “It is he [i.e. God] who sits above the circle of the earth.” Some have argued from this that Scripture teaches the earth to be a flat disc, rather than a globe. However, even if the original Hebrew is correctly understood to refer to a circle, this doesn’t necessarily indicate something flat; a sphere appears as a circle when seen from above—and indeed from whatever direction it is viewed.

Even that isn't saying the word is the same.
Instead it is saying that when viewed from above a sphere is a circle.
Which requires ignoring the rest of the verse.

Which part of that verse which I quoted from the bible describes the Earth as flat with a dome over it? Your hatred towards the bible seems to have affected your vision. It specifically says the circle of the Earth.

As Markjo said, that verse could also be referring to Earth as a sphere seen as a circle from way above.

Can you stop making shit up to fit your agenda?

Which part of that verse which I quoted from the bible describes the Earth as flat with a dome over it? Your hatred towards the bible seems to have affected your vision. It specifically says the circle of the Earth.

The verse YOU quoted.
It describes Earth as a circle, with the heavens stretched out like a tent.
This sure sounds like the common FE fantasy, where Earth is a flat (circular) disc, with a dome/firmament over it.

Again, Isaiah 40:22, the start:
"It is he who sits above the circle of the Earth"
Several issues here.
Firstly describing Earth as a circle, not a sphere.
The idea that when viewed from above a sphere is a circle is entirely pointless.
When viewed from ANYWHERE, a sphere is a circle. There is no POV of a sphere which isn't a circle.
But another issue entirely overlooked by both you are markjo is the "above" part.
For a FE, you can easily be directly above it, above and to the side, just to the side, below, etc.
But for a spherical Earth, you are either on the surface, inside the surface or outside the surface.

For the FE, this makes sense. Earth is sitting directly above Earth watching over it.
For the RE, at worst it makes no sense at all. At best it is a collection of entirely pointless words which are meaningless.

This also matches ancient ideas of heaven being above Earth.
It doesn't match the more modern ideas of heaven being some other world or dimension or something like that.

Then we get to the end:
"and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."
Note a tent typically goes from the ground, up to a peak, and then back to the ground.
Kind of like the idea of a FE dome.

But there are plenty of other points as well.
You have the nonsense starting in genesis, where evening went and morning came to give the nth day, for a being allegedly creating the entire world.
That makes no sense for a RE where it is always day somewhere, but makes sense if you have the old FE models where the sun sets to go below Earth, noting that contradicts the modern FE models.
Less directly being FE, but still contradicting modern cosmology, we have the story of the tower of Babel, where humanity tried to build a tower up to heaven (not to mention also failing to match physics as a tower to space could not be built with their materials and even now we don't have materials that would allow building a tower).


Then skipping most, you have Matthew where Jesus was taken to a very high mountain to see all the kingdoms of the world.
Again, making sense for a FE world where all of Earth is visible and a mountain giving you a better view; but inconsistent with a RE where the Earth will block the view to at least half even from infinitely far away.


So there are plenty of cases where the Bible describes things in a way indicating Earth is flat or consistent with an ancient FE cosmology. There is nothing indicating Earth is round.

And yes, I know plenty of dishonest religious nuts will try to manipulate the Bible to pretend it doens't contradict reality.
But they are comparable to FEers, desperately clinging to their fantasy.
The distinction is that they accept most of reality and try to manipulate their unholy book into matching; while FEers reject reality and take their unholy book to be true.

And this isn't the only way the Bible contradicts reality.
And no, this isn't hatred of the Bible, this is just recognising the Bible does not describe reality.

Can you stop making shit up to fit your agenda?

You mean as the religious people are doing to pretend their crappy book matches reality?

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 08, 2024, 06:20:55 AM

Which part of that verse which I quoted from the bible describes the Earth as flat with a dome over it? Your hatred towards the bible seems to have affected your vision. It specifically says the circle of the Earth.

The verse YOU quoted.
It describes Earth as a circle, with the heavens stretched out like a tent.
This sure sounds like the common FE fantasy, where Earth is a flat (circular) disc, with a dome/firmament over it.

Again, Isaiah 40:22, the start:
"It is he who sits above the circle of the Earth"
Several issues here.
Firstly describing Earth as a circle, not a sphere.
The idea that when viewed from above a sphere is a circle is entirely pointless.
When viewed from ANYWHERE, a sphere is a circle. There is no POV of a sphere which isn't a circle.
But another issue entirely overlooked by both you are markjo is the "above" part.
For a FE, you can easily be directly above it, above and to the side, just to the side, below, etc.
But for a spherical Earth, you are either on the surface, inside the surface or outside the surface.

For the FE, this makes sense. Earth is sitting directly above Earth watching over it.
For the RE, at worst it makes no sense at all. At best it is a collection of entirely pointless words which are meaningless.

This also matches ancient ideas of heaven being above Earth.
It doesn't match the more modern ideas of heaven being some other world or dimension or something like that.

Then we get to the end:
"and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."
Note a tent typically goes from the ground, up to a peak, and then back to the ground.
Kind of like the idea of a FE dome.

But there are plenty of other points as well.
You have the nonsense starting in genesis, where evening went and morning came to give the nth day, for a being allegedly creating the entire world.
That makes no sense for a RE where it is always day somewhere, but makes sense if you have the old FE models where the sun sets to go below Earth, noting that contradicts the modern FE models.
Less directly being FE, but still contradicting modern cosmology, we have the story of the tower of Babel, where humanity tried to build a tower up to heaven (not to mention also failing to match physics as a tower to space could not be built with their materials and even now we don't have materials that would allow building a tower).


Then skipping most, you have Matthew where Jesus was taken to a very high mountain to see all the kingdoms of the world.
Again, making sense for a FE world where all of Earth is visible and a mountain giving you a better view; but inconsistent with a RE where the Earth will block the view to at least half even from infinitely far away.


So there are plenty of cases where the Bible describes things in a way indicating Earth is flat or consistent with an ancient FE cosmology. There is nothing indicating Earth is round.

And yes, I know plenty of dishonest religious nuts will try to manipulate the Bible to pretend it doens't contradict reality.
But they are comparable to FEers, desperately clinging to their fantasy.
The distinction is that they accept most of reality and try to manipulate their unholy book into matching; while FEers reject reality and take their unholy book to be true.

And this isn't the only way the Bible contradicts reality.
And no, this isn't hatred of the Bible, this is just recognising the Bible does not describe reality.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 08, 2024, 06:20:55 AM

Can you stop making shit up to fit your agenda?

You mean as the religious people are doing to pretend their crappy book matches reality?

I'm fully aware of the bible passages which suggest Earth is flat. My point was that this particular bible passage destroys the four corners of the world flat earth trope by calling Earth a circle.

I don't give a shit if the person who wrote that had a circular dinner plate in mind or a sphere which is a circle from any angle when viewed from a distance, it at least contradicts Earth had four literal corners as Apple Duff is stupidly insinuating.

If the Ancient Hebrews believed in a round earth we would know about it.

And you would still deny it.

I'm fully aware of the bible passages which suggest Earth is flat. My point was that this particular bible passage destroys the four corners of the world flat earth trope by calling Earth a circle.

I don't give a shit if the person who wrote that had a circular dinner plate in mind or a sphere which is a circle from any angle when viewed from a distance, it at least contradicts Earth had four literal corners as Apple Duff is stupidly insinuating.

And the Bible is known to contradict itself.
But even then it technically doesn't actually need to contradict that.
e.g. while not flat, there is this idea:

This has Earth beign a square, but there is also a clear circle of Earth.

Also, what you said earlier was:

The bible does get the shape of Earth right. Religion, history, and philosophy isn't your forte is it?

That certainly sounds like you are cliaming it gets the shape right, which would mean roughly spherical.
Quite different to you not giving a shit.

And if you didn't give a shit, why ask for the verses?

There are over 200 verses in the bible which backs up a flat, level & stationary earth.

Apple Duff, on your list you have Job 26:27, to substantiate, "Earth has pillars and hangs
on nothing". The actual verse says, "the (God) stretches out the northern sky over empty space, suspending the Earth upon nothing."

Some lovely Jehovah's Witness named Wendy popped a handwritten letter into my letterbox yesterday, and uses that very quote to demonstrate that the bible was ahead of it's time and this quote is the bible saying the Earth is suspended in nothing which is space.

You know what? I happen to agree with Wendy. Care to explain how hanging on nothing, doesn't refer to space?

The Hebrew word for circle and sphere are the same word.  After all, a sphere from above appears as a circle.

Well, actually they aren't. כדור = sphere, מעגל = circle.  But no one can deny that circles and spheres are highly related to each other. 

Sorry, I did not give the English phonetics for the above post.  כדור is like kedoor (sphere or ball) and מעגל is like m-agal (circle).