Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense

You think you're trying to teach me things I haven't learned in the past. Again, I've rejected these things as so much nonsense science.

If you learned these things, then you shouldn’t need to ask these questions.  You should know the answers and how they work for a round earth according to regular physics.

You asked questions about how things work for a round earth, then you tell me you already know.  Which is it?

I’m not saying you have to believe the answers.  You can believe the earth is flat, gravity isn’t a thing and all the rest.  I’m talking about whether you really did understand the things you were taught, regardless of how much you trust it.

So IF the earth were round and gravity existed, where would the center of earth’s gravity be?  Which direction would a plump bob point? Where would the water go if you poured it on a beach ball?

Do you honestly not know?  Or are you just here to wind people up? 

Let me ask you a question.

As a prank to a kid, I was telling him that this color was red.

And this color was green.


I was in my 20s and feeling in a punchy mood, the kid was maybe below preschool age and not in a real classroom (I think it was a church or vacation setting).

The kid actually believed me too, until another teacher set him straight. Had I succeeded in convincing him, that poor kid would go through life with false (taught) colorblindness.

If your teacher is dumb, wrong, or evil, how would you possibly know unless you checked it out? Jesus talks about blind teachers leading blind students into a ravine.


The question is, if as an adult you re-examine your teachings and find that some of them are crap, and other wrong, stupid, or evil people try to set you straight, shouldn't you be able to tell them "I'm good, thank you"?

Of course you can.

 Unconvinced, I'll be okay without learning that. For I am unconvinced by what was taught to me.
(This is where you tell me "No I'm Unconvinced!" )

You tried to redefine a commonly used word annd was unsuccesful.

And now youre trying to tell everyone who knows what a triangle amd what a circle are, that its a parabola.

Mmm yes...   lets selfrecognize where the problem is?

Let me ask you a question.

As a prank to a kid, I was telling him that this color was red.

And this color was green.


I was in my 20s and feeling in a punchy mood, the kid was maybe below preschool age and not in a real classroom (I think it was a church or vacation setting).

The kid actually believed me too, until another teacher set him straight. Had I succeeded in convincing him, that poor kid would go through life with false (taught) colorblindness.

If your teacher is dumb, wrong, or evil, how would you possibly know unless you checked it out? Jesus talks about blind teachers leading blind students into a ravine.


The question is, if as an adult you re-examine your teachings and find that some of them are crap, and other wrong, stupid, or evil people try to set you straight, shouldn't you be able to tell them "I'm good, thank you"?

Of course you can.

 Unconvinced, I'll be okay without learning that. For I am unconvinced by what was taught to me.
(This is where you tell me "No I'm Unconvinced!" )

You aren’t re-evaluating it.  Your examples of “flaws” in normal physics are not what the laws of physics say should happen.

You are either inventing “problems” that aren’t what should happen according to physics, or you really didn’t understand the physics that you were taught.

Water slops off a ball onto the ground, as it should according to physics.  Plumb bobs point down,  as they should according to physics.   The bubble in a spirit level is at the top, as it should be according to physics.  Etc, etc.

None of these things are problems, because what we see in reality matches what the laws of physics predict we should see.

If you want to try to find an example of something where what we see doesn’t match what the laws of physics actually say we should see, then go ahead and good luck to you.

I’ve spent my adult life as an engineer designing things according to these laws and testing them and I haven’t found any problems yet.  That includes accounting for density and buoyancy, it includes working with light in complex optical systems, it includes high vacuum systems (another flat earth classic), etc.

As a prank to a kid, I was telling him that this color was red.

So you get your kicks by lying to children?

If your teacher is dumb, wrong, or evil, how would you possibly know unless you checked it out?
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Unconvinced, I'll be okay without learning that. For I am unconvinced by what was taught to me.

You have made no honest attempt to check it out.
Likewise, you have made to attempt to truly learn it
You instead decided you don't like it and dismissed it.
You make no attempt to understand, an important first step before checking it out.
You instead resort to strawmen which in no way refute the RE to pretend the RE is wrong.

In order to actually check it out, you need to first start by understanding it.
Until you understand it, including understanding what the model predicts, you have no way of testing it.

Continually resorting to strawmen like your tiny balls or pretending a solar day should be equal in length to the rotational period of Earth and that a sidereal should magically be a different length solar day, or pretending people in the south are magically hanging upside down is NOT checking it out.
That is dismissing it with dishonest BS which in no way demonstrates any fault with it.

Again, you can quite easily check it out.
See if you can have a light above a table directly illuminate the table from below.
It can't.
That shows your FE fantasy is wrong. Yet you keep ignoring it.
Then try with a globe, with a little fake cloud stuck out from it, and see how if you rotate it correctly you can get that illuminated from below.

Now stop with all the dishonest BS, and try answering the questions:
1 - With your FE fantasy how does the sun magically illuminate the clouds from below, including so people above the clouds can see the sun shining up from below?
2 - How does the sun magically "angle" itself to appear to set? Not merely the result expected from perspective, but appearing even lower.
3 - Why can't a RE have the sun illuminate clouds from below just before sunrise and just after sunset?
4 - What magic is causing the sun to magically shine like a spotlight so it only illuminated the region around the subsolar point rather than shining outwards in all directions?
5 - Can you show anything wrong with the diagrams I have provided about the eclipse, without blatantly lying about what they are trying to show, or the slight inaccuracies because some are just flipped versions of the others because I couldn't be bothered redrawing them or that it isn't too scale?
6 - How does your parabola magic work to explain the observed position of the sun? Especially noting the problems shown in the diagrams provided in the link above.
We know it can't simply be the sun above shining straight down.
We know it can't be a massive sun above shining straight down.
We know it can't simply be the sun going straight to the person and hitting the parabola.

So you get your kicks by lying to children?

What? You think I'm unique in this?

Round Earthers (who aren't stupid enough to believe it themselves) do this on a daily basis.

At least I was doing it as a joke. "No kids, the sun and moon aren't going around the Earth as they look. No, the moon rises backwards to what we observe, and the Earth orbits the sun."

And this is what I mean about the sunrise that I mentioned elsewhere.

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So you get your kicks by lying to children?

What? You think I'm unique in this?

Round Earthers (who aren't stupid enough to believe it themselves) do this on a daily basis.

At least I was doing it as a joke. "No kids, the sun and moon aren't going around the Earth as they look. No, the moon rises backwards to what we observe, and the Earth orbits the sun."

And this is what I mean about the sunrise that I mentioned elsewhere.

Most people have alarm bells sound when a ridiculous conspiracy theory is heard.

Flat Earth isn't SLIGHTLY ridiculous as you make out, it is the MOST ridiculous conspiracy theory. Period.

Life is too incredibly short to even be wondering if the shape of the earth is not spherical. You, my friend, are wasting your brain power, thoughts, and time, on a sham.

But, I'll give you a real conspiracy -

Eric Dubay is not a real person.

Eric Dubay is a fictional character from the brainchild of American actor and comedian, John Heder.

John Heder broke into the bigtime as Napoleon Dynamite. Eric Dubay is just the latest character of John Heder. John Heder is just playing a role.

If you dont believe me, watch a few movies featuring John Heder. He even starred in a movie titled, "Just like Heaven", as a bookstore psychic. In his Eric Dubay role  he's channeling the bookstore psychic as well as Napoleon Dynamite.

John Heder is Eric Dubay. Eric Dubay is John's latest comedy act.

What? You think I'm unique in this?

No, I know plenty of people are trolls like you.

Round Earthers (who aren't stupid enough to believe it themselves) do this on a daily basis.

Telling kids the truth, or your best understanding, is not lying to them.
You are intentionally lying to children, just to screw with them.

That shows just how much of a POS you are.

At least I was doing it as a joke.

You mean you were just doing it as a joke, to screw with them; instead of being honest to them, like the people you accuse of lying.

And this is what I mean about the sunrise that I mentioned elsewhere.

You mean your BS which has already been debunked.

Again, imagine going back in time to when sundials were used to indicate time.
And then try telling someone they are wrong because the sundial says it is 6 am when you say it should be midday.
They will think you are insane, or a complete imbecile.

Again, the period of Earth's rotation is NOT the same as a solar day.

Repeating the same lies just shows how dishonest you are your cult leader are.

Again, the RE model matches reality, with the stars appearing to drift over the course of a year.

This has been explained to you repeatedly, with you entirely incapable of showing any fault with the explanation and instead just repeating the same dishonest, delusional BS.
Again, the period of Earth's rotation is roughly 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds.
So if you want to go 91 "days", where a day is taken to be a 24 hour period, that isn't 91 rotations of Earth.
That is 91.25 rotations.
Notice the extra .25 rotations, which puts it so the same part is facing the sun?

If you want to go for 182 days, that is not 182 rotations of Earth, it is 182.50.
Again, notice the extra half a rotation?
The same thing happens all year round.

All you are doing is continually lying to everyone and showing everyone how dishonest you are.

This doesn't debunk the RE, it supports it.
And if you do it properly, and observe the analemma the sun appears to trace it, it further supports the RE, and raises serious questions for the FE.

And this rotation period is not just ad hoc made up to avoid the problem you pretend exists.
It can be directly measured.
You can even do this yourself with a decent camera. It must be able to save the timestamp of the photo, must have an accurate clock, and must be able to be mounted on a tripod; ideally it can take timelapses, and if not, you have to be able to remotely trigger it so you aren't bumping it every time you take a picture.

Go and set a camera up fixed on a rigid tripod so it can't move. Set it up at night with plenty of stars visible, and where it will be fine to sit for over a day.
Set up the camera to look at the night sky, ideally focusing on a constellation which is visible, and ideally with some decent zoom.
Now, set it to take a picture of the sky every second. If you have the ability to control it remotely, you can set it to do so for a few minutes, then come back and resume after 23 hours.
Then you can stop after 25 hours. (so 1 hour either way of a mean solar day).
If that would take too much memory, you can take pictures less often, but more is better.

Now time to analyse them.
Find a good image from the start of the timelapse, and note the time it was taken.
Now skip forward 24 hours (or if you want to make it faster on yourself, 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds) and compare the images.
Do the stars line up and if so how well?
Now you want to find the best match, by looking through the image, going forwards or back, to see the one which matches your first one best.
Then look at how much time has elapsed.


Now again, care to stop with all the dishonest BS, and try answering the questions?
1 - With your FE fantasy how does the sun magically illuminate the clouds from below, including so people above the clouds can see the sun shining up from below?
2 - How does the sun magically "angle" itself to appear to set? Not merely the result expected from perspective, but appearing even lower.
3 - Why can't a RE have the sun illuminate clouds from below just before sunrise and just after sunset?
4 - What magic is causing the sun to magically shine like a spotlight so it only illuminated the region around the subsolar point rather than shining outwards in all directions?
5 - Can you show anything wrong with the diagrams I have provided about the eclipse, without blatantly lying about what they are trying to show, or the slight inaccuracies because some are just flipped versions of the others because I couldn't be bothered redrawing them or that it isn't too scale?
6 - How does your parabola magic work to explain the observed position of the sun? Especially noting the problems shown in the diagrams provided in the link above.
We know it can't simply be the sun above shining straight down.
We know it can't be a massive sun above shining straight down.
We know it can't simply be the sun going straight to the person and hitting the parabola.

Most people have alarm bells sound when a ridiculous conspiracy theory is heard.

Flat Earth isn't SLIGHTLY ridiculous as you make out, it is the MOST ridiculous conspiracy theory. Period.

Those alarm bells?

They're called "cognitive dissonance". They are your childhood programming's defense mechanism.

I once had a conversation with a man I met at an anime club who was willing to talk to be about everything, from robotics to comic books. Then he talked about how nice it was to talk to me, as most people, when you talk about certain things, it's like a light flicks off in their head, and they stop listening. Somehow or other though, he found out that I was religious (probably because I mentioned souls in the conversation about robotics). And he was like "Wait, are you religious?" And when I answered, "Yeah kinda," I got to see it for myself. He stopped listening, and tbh, I don't think I saw him after that at this club. This is cognitive dissonance, those alarm bells go off, and you stop listening to the other person. You shut down, and the conversation is over. No, I don't think cognitive dissonance is a healthy social response. It balkanizes people into tribes.  It is far harder to say "No, I definitely don't agree, but you can tell me why you think that way."

And as I am sure I have told you, I spent time in an actual cult. Only about four days before I took my car and drove off, but even so. The cult in question was called Twelve Tribes, and they had all sorts of weird ideas ("pre-enactments" of marriage, a very Jewish German idea of Christianity, awful facial hair, convincing people to burn their belongings because they were sinful, people running into water to be baptized for their sins after realizing how wicked they were, oh yeah and second death from Revelation). But I also paid attention to the methods they had of working on people. Appeal to authority, unbalanced diet, being overly welcoming, isolation (effectively making you crave the cult as a support group), having people who were supposedly new and sympathetic then getting them to suddenly convert, hierarchy structure, etc.

If you ever want to break free of your programming, begin by asking one simple question (to yourself, not me).  "Why is flat Earth wrong, and why is round Earth right?" No, I know, you'll get defensive (those alarm bells again) and start to justify it to me.  As I said, this is a question you ask yourself. The defense mechanism is cognitive dissonance, asking yourself this would involve genuine reflection. I don't expect you to do it, though.

As for Eric Dubay, I don't care who he is. He's not a Messiah, nor do I hang on to his every word. In terms of his playlists, I only have ever listened to two of his playlists.
Favorites and Flat Earth
https://www.youtube.com/@FlatEarthEric/playlists

I ignore most of his other conspiracies, and especially his Spirituality section, as he seems to lean agnostic/atheist with a smattering or weird New Age crap. No thanks.

He might suddenly tell me "Oh guys, I have decided I am now a round Earther. (What was it that those guys at the "South Pole" said? Something about "carefully looking at the observations", as they stood in an augmented reality room)"

probably because you as a cross dressing pedo was spouting maga hat conservative religious ideas.
it is confusing to hear someone say directly contradictory ideas in the same promoting ideas that go against their lifestyle or self interest.

a cognitive disonance if you will...

He might suddenly tell me "Oh guys, I have decided I am now a round Earther. (What was it that those guys at the "South Pole" said? Something about "carefully looking at the observations", as they stood in an augmented reality room)"

Funny you believe that scientists, engineers, and everyone else who studies and uses physics are a bunch of brainwashed morons who don’t understand how things really work.  Yet somehow they’ve managed to invent Star Trek holodeck technology where being in a room is indistinguishable from being outside.

Now that’s cognitive dissonance.

And look at what you have done yet again.
Entirely ignored the topic just to spout more crap.
Cognitive dissonance if you will.
Your cult programming's defence mechanism to stop you thinking about things which clearly show your cult is wrong.

They're called "cognitive dissonance". They are your childhood programming's defense mechanism.

No, cognitive dissonance is where you see clear evidence that shows you are wrong, and then desperately try to dismiss it as fake.
Where you are asked simple questions and need to flee from it.

We recognise Earth isn't flat, because it so horribly fails at matching reality.

It would be like someone telling me, at night, on a full moon, that the moon is hurtling towards Earth and going to crash into it in 1 hour, and unless I give them all my money so I can board their magic space ship to travel to another world to be saved I will die.

I got to see it for myself. He stopped listening, and tbh, I don't think I saw him after that at this club. This is cognitive dissonance, those alarm bells go off, and you stop listening to the other person.

Again, not cognitive dissonance.
That is recognising someone believes complete crap, so you stop listening to them.

If you would like another comparison, start your conversation with them, but then you say you are Nazi and think Hitler was right and didn't do a good enough job. Then he switches off and stops listening because he sees what kind of person you are and no longer values your opinion.

It is far harder to say "No, I definitely don't agree, but you can tell me why you think that way."

And what if they aren't interested in that?
Also notice how you never do that?
Instead you have decided Earth cannot possibly be round, and reject everything about it.

And as I am sure I have told you, I spent time in an actual cult.

And then jumped ship and joined a different cult.
Only now you say it isn't a cult.

If you ever want to break free of your programming, begin by asking one simple question (to yourself, not me).  "Why is flat Earth wrong, and why is round Earth right?"

I have. And have plenty of answers.
Again, have you tried the equivalent?
Why is RE wrong and FE right?

But do you know the biggest issue with that question? If you are just asking yourself, and you don't understand the models you are evaluating, you would be able to answer properly.
Again, look at the dishonest crap you appeal to for a RE.
You aren't showing the RE model is wrong. You are showing your strawman or you massive misunderstanding of the RE is wrong.

As for Eric Dubay

You clearly value him quite a lot, as you continually appeal to his crap rather than trying to think for yourself.
You repeat the same refuted BS that he spouts.

What was it that those guys at the "South Pole" said? Something about "carefully looking at the observations"

Yes, something you absolutely refuse to do.

Now again, care to stop with all the dishonest BS, and try answering the questions?
1 - With your FE fantasy how does the sun magically illuminate the clouds from below, including so people above the clouds can see the sun shining up from below?
2 - How does the sun magically "angle" itself to appear to set? Not merely the result expected from perspective, but appearing even lower.
3 - Why can't a RE have the sun illuminate clouds from below just before sunrise and just after sunset?
4 - What magic is causing the sun to magically shine like a spotlight so it only illuminated the region around the subsolar point rather than shining outwards in all directions?
5 - Can you show anything wrong with the diagrams I have provided about the eclipse, without blatantly lying about what they are trying to show, or the slight inaccuracies because some are just flipped versions of the others because I couldn't be bothered redrawing them or that it isn't too scale?
6 - How does your parabola magic work to explain the observed position of the sun? Especially noting the problems shown in the diagrams provided in the link above.
We know it can't simply be the sun above shining straight down.
We know it can't be a massive sun above shining straight down.
We know it can't simply be the sun going straight to the person and hitting the parabola.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on January 07, 2025, 11:31:51 PM

Most people have alarm bells sound when a ridiculous conspiracy theory is heard.

Flat Earth isn't SLIGHTLY ridiculous as you make out, it is the MOST ridiculous conspiracy theory. Period.

Those alarm bells?

They're called "cognitive dissonance". They are your childhood programming's defense mechanism.

I once had a conversation with a man I met at an anime club who was willing to talk to be about everything, from robotics to comic books. Then he talked about how nice it was to talk to me, as most people, when you talk about certain things, it's like a light flicks off in their head, and they stop listening. Somehow or other though, he found out that I was religious (probably because I mentioned souls in the conversation about robotics). And he was like "Wait, are you religious?" And when I answered, "Yeah kinda," I got to see it for myself. He stopped listening, and tbh, I don't think I saw him after that at this club. This is cognitive dissonance, those alarm bells go off, and you stop listening to the other person. You shut down, and the conversation is over. No, I don't think cognitive dissonance is a healthy social response. It balkanizes people into tribes.  It is far harder to say "No, I definitely don't agree, but you can tell me why you think that way."

And as I am sure I have told you, I spent time in an actual cult. Only about four days before I took my car and drove off, but even so. The cult in question was called Twelve Tribes, and they had all sorts of weird ideas ("pre-enactments" of marriage, a very Jewish German idea of Christianity, awful facial hair, convincing people to burn their belongings because they were sinful, people running into water to be baptized for their sins after realizing how wicked they were, oh yeah and second death from Revelation). But I also paid attention to the methods they had of working on people. Appeal to authority, unbalanced diet, being overly welcoming, isolation (effectively making you crave the cult as a support group), having people who were supposedly new and sympathetic then getting them to suddenly convert, hierarchy structure, etc.

If you ever want to break free of your programming, begin by asking one simple question (to yourself, not me).  "Why is flat Earth wrong, and why is round Earth right?" No, I know, you'll get defensive (those alarm bells again) and start to justify it to me.  As I said, this is a question you ask yourself. The defense mechanism is cognitive dissonance, asking yourself this would involve genuine reflection. I don't expect you to do it, though.

As for Eric Dubay, I don't care who he is. He's not a Messiah, nor do I hang on to his every word. In terms of his playlists, I only have ever listened to two of his playlists.
Favorites and Flat Earth
https://www.youtube.com/@FlatEarthEric/playlists

I ignore most of his other conspiracies, and especially his Spirituality section, as he seems to lean agnostic/atheist with a smattering or weird New Age crap. No thanks.

He might suddenly tell me "Oh guys, I have decided I am now a round Earther. (What was it that those guys at the "South Pole" said? Something about "carefully looking at the observations", as they stood in an augmented reality room)"

"Why is flat earth wrong and round earth right?"

It depends on the lens you are viewing the world through at the time, doesn't it?

If viewing Earth through the lens of experiencing, there is no earth curvature to see, the earth is motionless, the sun moves across the sky, the moon and stars move across the sky, and the horizon is flat.

If viewing Earth through the accumulated knowledge mankind has built up about Earth, including man going to the moon and now Mars, Earth being flat is a cute illusion we all live in, and the cold harsh truth is this Earth of ours, is a big ball in space.

You being a flat earther have realised you experience Earth as flat, will never see earth from outer space, or have any reason to think of the entire earth as anything but the flatness you perceive.

I empathize.

You and I know you will never work for NASA or have a job where earth shape is crucial.

Good to see you're living your best lie.

If viewing Earth through the lens of experiencing, there is no earth curvature to see, the earth is motionless, the sun moves across the sky, the moon and stars move across the sky, and the horizon is flat.

No, I see the curvature, in the form of the horizon, and how things disappear as they go over it, and how it gets further away as I get higher. Just like all other round objects.
I experience nothing to indicate Earth is motionless.
I see the relative motion of the sun, which doesn't indicate which is moving.
Given the entire sky is moving relative to Earth, it makes far more sense for Earth to be rotating.

What you are suggesting is akin to a kid on a merry go round suggesting the merry go round is fixed and the entire universe is rotating around them.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on January 08, 2025, 11:01:02 PM

If viewing Earth through the lens of experiencing, there is no earth curvature to see, the earth is motionless, the sun moves across the sky, the moon and stars move across the sky, and the horizon is flat.

No, I see the curvature, in the form of the horizon, and how things disappear as they go over it, and how it gets further away as I get higher. Just like all other round objects.
I experience nothing to indicate Earth is motionless.
I see the relative motion of the sun, which doesn't indicate which is moving.
Given the entire sky is moving relative to Earth, it makes far more sense for Earth to be rotating.

What you are suggesting is akin to a kid on a merry go round suggesting the merry go round is fixed and the entire universe is rotating around them.

Yep, that's what I'm suggesting, except the kid on the merry go round, feels and experiences motion, the centripetal force, so knows it is the merry go round doing the moving - against the motionless fixed earth. Thanks for the example! 

You see all those things indicating earth is a giant ball, Jack, because you know to look for them. Flat earthers are wilfully blind to them and will never look for them and never see them. The earth being a globe is meaningless to them.

Take away your education and interest in looking for evidence the earth is a globe, and you would see earth exactly as flat earthers do, or like most people, you wouldn't even give it a second thought.

Ah, merry go round again.

If you still want to talk about this, I can reply to the last post in the other thread I didn’t bother following up on?

Yep, that's what I'm suggesting, except the kid on the merry go round, feels and experiences motion, the centripetal force, so knows it is the merry go round doing the moving - against the motionless fixed earth. Thanks for the example! 

You see all those things indicating earth is a giant ball, Jack, because you know to look for them. Flat earthers are wilfully blind to them and will never look for them and never see them. The earth being a globe is meaningless to them.

Take away your education and interest in looking for evidence the earth is a globe, and you would see earth exactly as flat earthers do, or like most people, you wouldn't even give it a second thought.

And what you are suggesting is ridiculous.
Unless that merry go round is going very fast, the kid isn't feeling the centripetal force.

If I took away all my education and interest I still wouldn't see Earth as flat or motionless.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on January 09, 2025, 04:32:12 AM

Yep, that's what I'm suggesting, except the kid on the merry go round, feels and experiences motion, the centripetal force, so knows it is the merry go round doing the moving - against the motionless fixed earth. Thanks for the example! 

You see all those things indicating earth is a giant ball, Jack, because you know to look for them. Flat earthers are wilfully blind to them and will never look for them and never see them. The earth being a globe is meaningless to them.

Take away your education and interest in looking for evidence the earth is a globe, and you would see earth exactly as flat earthers do, or like most people, you wouldn't even give it a second thought.

And what you are suggesting is ridiculous.
Unless that merry go round is going very fast, the kid isn't feeling the centripetal force.

If I took away all my education and interest I still wouldn't see Earth as flat or motionless.

You obviously had a sheltered childhood and have never been on a merry-go-round. Go down to your local kids playground, Jack, jump on the merry-go-round, and give yourself a ride. You obviously never went on a theme park ride as a teenager called, "The "Centrifuge".

If you took away all your education, interest, and constant reminders from the media and entertainment industry, you too, would probably just get on with life and not give the shape of the earth a second thought.

What's ridiculous, is you of all people have never picked up on the fact that Eric Dubay is the fictional character brainchild of actor and comedian, John Heder.

are we arguing timmies "expert"


bold statement that any "normal" individual would come up with einstein understanding of gravity outside of newton's dynamics equations.

but
could a "normal" person who understands how circles and triangles work not figure out how the earht is a ball?

You obviously had a sheltered childhood and have never been on a merry-go-round. Go down to your local kids playground, Jack, jump on the merry-go-round, and give yourself a ride. You obviously never went on a theme park ride as a teenager called, "The "Centrifuge".

I have been on them.
And I know how slow they go.
I'm not talking about ones which spin you really fast.
I'm talking about the kiddy ones, with horses or spaceships or any random thin which slowly goes up and down as it goes around.
On those, I do not feel the centripetal force, because it is too slow for that, just like Earth.

If you took away all your education, interest, and constant reminders from the media and entertainment industry, you too, would probably just get on with life and not give the shape of the earth a second thought.

And as I have explained repeatedly, that doesn't mean I think it is flat.

But as soon as I want to be able to see further, I would realise from plenty of observations, that getting higher allows me to do that, just like a ball.

Centrifuge was called Gravitron in my theme park. Centrifuge is more accurate though.

and how things disappear as they go over it

Why do you keep clinging to that? One of Eric Dubay's main magic tricks is bring objects that have "disappeared" back into frame. If it were really a matter of curvature, this would be impossible. But it's just about focal length.

As far as whether Eric Dubay is a real person or some comedian's idea of a lark doesn't matter.
Do you know how women got the right to vote?

From Dinesh D'souza Secret History of the Democratic Party:

The inclusion of women in the 1964 Civil Rights Act was, oddly enough, the work of group of racist, chauvinist Democrats.  Led by Democratic Congressman Howard Smith of Virginia, this group was looking to defeat the Civil Rights Act.  Smith proposed to amend the legislation and add “sex” to “race” as a category protected against discrimination.

Smith’s Democratic buddies roared with laughter when he offered his one-word amendment.  They thought it would make the whole civil rights thing so ridiculous that no sane person would go along with it.  One scholar noted that Smith’s amendment “stimulated several hours of humorous debate” among racist, chauvinist Democrats.  But to their amazement, the amended version of the bill passed. It bears repeating that Republicans provided the margin of victory that extended civil rights protection both to minorities and to women.

What idiots and assholes don't take seriously often changes the world.

Is Eric Dubay a real flat Earther? Ask me if I care.
(Hint: I don't)

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and how things disappear as they go over it

Why do you keep clinging to that? One of Eric Dubay's main magic tricks is bring objects that have "disappeared" back into frame. If it were really a matter of curvature, this would be impossible. But it's just about focal length.

Have you tried reading what I actually say?
Have you considered responding to what I actually said instead of deflecting onto something else?

I said HOW things disappear, not just that they do.
They disappear from the bottom up, and once gone, they can be brought back into view with better optics. Instead you need to get closer or higher.
Something no FEer can explain or demonstrate happening on a flat surface with the observer and object above the surface.

Quite different to just zooming out enough so you can't see it.

Centrifuge was called Gravitron in my theme park. Centrifuge is more accurate though.

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and how things disappear as they go over it

Why do you keep clinging to that? One of Eric Dubay's main magic tricks is bring objects that have "disappeared" back into frame. If it were really a matter of curvature, this would be impossible. But it's just about focal length.

As far as whether Eric Dubay is a real person or some comedian's idea of a lark doesn't matter.
Do you know how women got the right to vote?

From Dinesh D'souza Secret History of the Democratic Party:

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The inclusion of women in the 1964 Civil Rights Act was, oddly enough, the work of group of racist, chauvinist Democrats.  Led by Democratic Congressman Howard Smith of Virginia, this group was looking to defeat the Civil Rights Act.  Smith proposed to amend the legislation and add “sex” to “race” as a category protected against discrimination.

Smith’s Democratic buddies roared with laughter when he offered his one-word amendment.  They thought it would make the whole civil rights thing so ridiculous that no sane person would go along with it.  One scholar noted that Smith’s amendment “stimulated several hours of humorous debate” among racist, chauvinist Democrats.  But to their amazement, the amended version of the bill passed. It bears repeating that Republicans provided the margin of victory that extended civil rights protection both to minorities and to women.

What idiots and assholes don't take seriously often changes the world.

Is Eric Dubay a real flat Earther? Ask me if I care.
(Hint: I don't)

You're right. It was the Gravitron. That asshole of a ride sucked my wallet out of my jean's pocket as a 14 year old. The ride operator when advised, supposedly did a search but couldn't find it. That fucker.

If that is "Eric Dubay's" I mean, John Heder's magic trick, John must be climbing a flight of stairs or increasing his height first, before he can bring said disappeared objects back into frame, or he is relying on days when the refractive index over bodies of water is particularly high to see further than the 5km limit would normally allow. I've got to hand it to Heder, his Eric Dubay is a huckster of the highest order!

Trust you to fall for his tricks. Anyway, how many virgin underage girls did you impregnate in your four days of being caught up inside that religious sex cult, any way?

If you are going to keep playing videos by this "lark", as your own proof, you really should care if Eric Dubay is a flat earther or even a real person. His Napoleon Dynamite actually comes off as less a tool than that arrogant, snarky, condescending Eric Dubay charicature he has come up with.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

— 2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV

All of us follow after some sort of nonsense. With flat Earth, at least, there was at least an illusion of agency.

Answer me this, why are you deciding to follow the same crap you learned when you were a child? That, honestly, is worse than me liking anime. At least with anime, it is somewhat different from say, whatever six year olds watch these days.

You learned this as a child, either from professional Deep State indoctrination artists in the education field, looking at a bunch of National Geographic pictures of space, the wealth of film references painting Flat Earth as stupid or impossible (like last night, Cowboys and Angels (2000), where they mentioned that ancients believed that there was a language of angels, then the guy responds with that ancients also believed the Earth was flat), dumb as posts useful idiot teachers who can look at a sunrise and sunset day after day yet still think the Earth rotates, or maybe even school trips to NASA.

Before even watching a single video from Eric Dubay (I think the first one I saw was "Gravity Does Not Exist" on Atlantean Conspiracy), I had already made up my mind from a few days of sky watching. I have my Teacher, and it isn't Eric Dubay. Meanwhile, you have many many "teachers" all crawling out of the woodwork, lest you falter in your beliefs.
 "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."
My Teacher would have me confront any "teachers" misleading others, even if it costs me my life. Not because he wants me dead (unlike the numerous people in Big Pharma, Big Food, or Big Government, who hate humanity, not even me specifically), but because he knows I love him.

But yes, I'll continue to play Eric Dubay videos.



What's that? This is not Eric, this was in his Favorites.

They disappear from the bottom up, and once gone, they can be brought back into view with better optics. Instead you need to get closer or higher.

They don't though.

They compress.



Here's an actual hill. As the girl in green in front goes over that hill, even if we zoomed in for a closeup, we would see her feet disappear, then her legs, and so on. She might even reach an obstruction point where she just suddenly disappeared all at once.

But look at the girl behind her on the left, and compare here height to the people in back. She is visually shorter than them, even at this distance.



Artists understand the Earth better than you do.

Amazing
He so close!!!
Does he realize hes a greeibg with howbthebhorizon works?




Queue jackblack and his line diagrams!

All of us follow after some sort of nonsense.

For me, that is TV shows or YouTube or the like which I recognise as fiction but find interesting.

Answer me this, why are you deciding to follow the same crap you learned when you were a child?

I'm not.
I'm accepting the same facts I learned when I was a child.
Because I understand them, and understand why they are correct.

As a child I was also taught that USA exists.
Should I decide to stop following that "crap" I was taught?

What about 1+1=2?
I was taught that when I was a child. Unless we are going into some non standard space like using binary or p-adic numbers or something like that, should I decide to stop following that "crap"?

Suggesting people should discard something just because they were taught it as a child is pathetic even for you.
Most things taught to children by responsible adults are to help them prepare for the world. Most are true. Most shouldn't be discarded as crap.

Instead of focusing on what we were taught as a child, try focusing on what we can observe today. Like how the perspective of the sun makes no sense on a flat Earth, but perfect sense on a round Earth.

I had already made up my mind from a few days of sky watching.

Yet you can't provide a single valid reason how that made you believe Earth was flat, which you are willing to defend.
Instead it looks more like your teacher was incompetent or you were a horrible student and you simply don't understand and decided to reject what you don't understand.

Not because he wants me dead (unlike the numerous people in Big Pharma, Big Food, or Big Government, who hate humanity, not even me specifically), but because he knows I love him.

They don't want you dead. They want you in a position where you make them money, or where they have control.
Just like "your Teacher".

But yes, I'll continue to play Eric Dubay videos.

Or you could try thinking and being honest for once.

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They disappear from the bottom up, and once gone, they can be brought back into view with better optics. Instead you need to get closer or higher.

They don't though.

They do.
Just asserting they don't doesn't magically mean they don't.

Here's an actual hill. As the girl in green in front goes over that hill, even if we zoomed in for a closeup, we would see her feet disappear, then her legs, and so on. She might even reach an obstruction point where she just suddenly disappeared all at once.

Other than the "suddenly disappear all at once" that is what happens on Earth.

But look at the girl behind her on the left, and compare here height to the people in back. She is visually shorter than them, even at this distance.

No one is saying perspective doesn't exist.
Even look at your example of a hill.
Does people taking up a smaller angular size mean they wont disappear over the hill? No.

Artists understand the Earth better than you do.

They understand simple techniques to draw drawings.
Notice that that is a drawing, not a photo of reality.

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They disappear from the bottom up, and once gone, they can be brought back into view with better optics. Instead you need to get closer or higher.

They don't though.

They compress.



Here's an actual hill. As the girl in green in front goes over that hill, even if we zoomed in for a closeup, we would see her feet disappear, then her legs, and so on. She might even reach an obstruction point where she just suddenly disappeared all at once.

But look at the girl behind her on the left, and compare here height to the people in back. She is visually shorter than them, even at this distance.



Artists understand the Earth better than you do.

They don't compress. You just have failing eyesight and a shit house camera.

If you see a ship disappearing over the horizon out at sea, you cannot bring the entire ship back, no matter how powerful your telescope is. The ship is hidden behind curving water.

Say it Bulma. THE SHIP IS HIDDEN BEHIND CURVING WATER.

But yes, I'll continue to play Eric Dubay videos.



What's that? This is not Eric, this was in his Favorites.

Not anymore.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on January 11, 2025, 05:27:27 AM

But yes, I'll continue to play Eric Dubay videos.



What's that? This is not Eric, this was in his Favorites.

Not anymore.

What did you do to it?