Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet

Jura.
I came here to tell you that I was here eight years ago telling you that your policies would destroy England, eight years ago I told you that you were marching towards the destruction of everything we hold dear.

It's too late now.
I guess you won, and what a victory.
God always has the last laugh, even if it's over the burned remains of a once great civilisation. How many times do we have to see it?

It's too late for the world but it's not too late for you.

Thanks for the heads up.

Could you just remind me again what it was specifically you said 8yrs ago, the memory, the aging process, the whisky have all taken their toll, I’m not sure I can remember having a policy.

But if the world is fucked, I’ll probably go with it, I’m not one for changing side just to save my skin, and I should be standing on the burning deck with my comrades, singing!

Then raise the scarlet standard high;
Beneath its folds, we’ll live and die;
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We’ll keep the red flag flying here.

Thanks for the heads up.

Could you just remind me again what it was specifically you said 8yrs ago

Your immigration policies would result in the destruction of your countries.

It’s not quite destroyed yet.

In fact, apart from a rent-a-mob of dumb morons too fucking thick to realise they are being exploited by Farage and the right, drip fed lies about the end of civilization because of brown skin we are pretty okay with things.

A European social survey showed a clear majority of people said immigration had made Britain a better place to live, and a world values survey (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/assets/uk-attitudes-to-immigration-1018742pub01-115.pdf) rated us as one of the most favourable countries towards immigration and its effects.
Lowest on believing it increases crime, or employment, and only 5% wouldn’t want an immigrant as a neighbour.

Not as eye catching as shops being burnt and fighting with the police, but something to be proud of.

Are you proud of what you've accomplished in England? It's a real question, are you proud? You can only gaslight people with fake statistics so much before they get fed up. People are fed up now. I tried to warn you. No single person has the power to inspire riots like this, people are just angry, they have had enough.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-45980210

It's been a long time coming. Mass immigration didn't make Britain a better place to live for these 1400 children.
Heartfelt advice, you can't make this partisan. It won't end well, you need to acknowledge that people have legitimate grievances.

I was hanging around to see if you'd call me a racist again but it seems you don't even have the heart for that anymore.
You told me you have children.
I believe you.
I only ever wanted what was best for them.

Also you need to be more subtle with SCG. She gives you absolutely every benefit of the doubt.

I prefer the term "cattle" over "sheep".

I'm a sheep, I trust my shepard without reservation. I never once said
>For since I spake, I cried out, I cried violence and spoil; because the word of the LORD was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily.
I did what I did because I was told to do it. I would do it again, I'd give up everything. I wish we could talk without the layers of deception.

Underneath the loving Christian there’s still the intolerant bigot waiting for the race war.

Asians who groom young girls are criminal humans, so what are you saying? There have been many white human groomers of girls, Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris etcetera, you don’t think white people rate on this or it just galls you because of the colour of their skin, there is a whole industry of western men taking trips to Thailand, what do you think about that? or is it okay because the Thai girls get paid a few baht? Fuck off with your racist shit you moron.

There, happy now?

That's more like it.
You sound like Shifter now.

I'm saying 1400 girls wouldn't have been sexually abused without mass immigration into England. Neither would the three girls that were stabbed to death be dead.

Objectively.

Again, heartfelt advice, you need to listen to what people are saying, instead of telling them what they should believe and how they should feel. People are angry, you need to acknowledge they have legitimate grievances or things will become more unstable.

I don't want a race war. I don't like violence.

Im not like Jeremiah, my life has been much easier. I don't pray, that I will see God take His vengeance on you, for my sake. I'm willing to suffer, for Him, and for you, I'm willing to be called names, I'm willing to be hurt, I'm willing to be hated. I'm willing to lose my source of income to do what is right.

Have I not proved it to you yet?

All I pray for is that I can turn the hearts of the children back to their Father, and the heart of the Father back to His children, because I have never wanted God to smite the earth with a curse.

Anyway, there's a lot to say and not much time to say it. I don't understand why after all these years we still have to play these games.

It's too late for the world, but it's not too late for you.

Yeah, yeah, you are all peace and gummy-bears, oh, and racist dog whistling. What you have proved is a leopard doesn’t change his spots just because he fell for a load of desert myths in a time of crisis and wears an instrument of torture round his neck.

I live here and it has never been safer, every now and then shit kicks off and at the moment we have Russian bot farms fermenting trouble amongst those who feel left out, aided by nazis and those who want to ride the hate to power, if you had really embraced jesus, you would have left this shit behind, but like most god botherers you just tailor it to your prejudice, sing a hymn and carry on, halleluiah!

And it is too late for me, what you are and have become, is as far from what I would ever want to be as is possible. 

You're not going to get me mad by calling me names because it's too late now. It's too late for the world. I spoke out when we still had time. I don't like riots, I'm trying to help you stop them. What you need to do is address peoples legitimate grievances. You need to talk to people.

What I said was that 1400 girls wouldn't have been sexually abused without mass immigration into England. Neither would the three girls that were stabbed to death be dead.

Objectively.

I promise you it's not too late for you.

I've never lied to you Jura.

I promise you that it's not too late for you.
I'll wager my salvation on it. If Jesus won't forgive you, I will follow you to the abyss, even to the lake of fire.
If I could do anything with my life it would be to save you.

It's a little rich for you to talk about Russian bot farms. Anyway, peace Jura. I hope things get better but things won't get better until you listen to people, this aggressive approach is why people are rioting. Calm down and listen to the people you have power over.

Can't you see how calling me racist, after I point out that a Pakistani rape gang was allowed to abuse 1400 girls over 16 years because the police and media were afraid of being called racist makes people angry?

Can't we drop the act and talk?
It's a bad time but I can talk. No, I really want to talk to you.


Anyway I'll come back tomorrow. I'm fond of you, don't feed my posts into one of your Large Langauge Models and copy and paste the response. Bring Shifter back if you want to do that. Say he's got another job idc. It's not like your cover could get much more blown unless you admitted you worked at Heron House in Manchester and Crouton admitted he works for the CIA.

Oh wait...
Nevermind.

What I won’t have time for in the lake of fire, is someone tagging on behind shouting I told you so and singing all things bright and beautiful it will just make me grouchy, so you get on with whatever you do, and I’ll settle down for a warm bath.

I'll burn with you.
I promise.

Goodnight old friend.

One day in Hell, 4th circle. The unbaptized and virtuous Pagan’s.

Jura walking through the green fields of Limbo, the faint sighs of those denied the grace of god like a constant depressing breeze marred by the occasional clank of chains and a tremulous rendering of “Shall we gather at the river”, that dogged his steps.

“Yo Jura!”
“Oh, hi Virgil, how’s it hanging?”

Virgil “The gates of hell are open night and day, smooth the descent and easy is the way.
But, to return, and view the cheerful skies, in this, the task and mighty labour lies.”

Jura “Yeah, no shit. Have you seen Einstein; I’ve got his dice.”

Virgil “Nah mate, saw a relative back aways I think. Where on earth is that dreadful song coming from?”

Jura turns to look back across the plain, coming out of the heat haze a stumbling figure, a wavering voice “the beautiful, the beautiful Riiiver.”

“That’s D1, I convinced him the hair shirt wasn’t penance enough for not saving my soul, the chains slow him down enough I get a bit of peace if I get a march on.”

Virgil, “Ah well I won’t keep you then, he’s a strange one that. Do you think he’ll ever go upstairs?”

Jura, “Stranger things have happened, Sisyphus joined the rolling Stones last week, so there’s hope.
Didn’t someone once say, “Every man makes a god of his own desire.”?”

Virgil chuckled, “Yeah, some twat.”

Jura waves and breaks into a trot.

You don't believe in pagan gods Jura.

If you ask the orthodox christians, they will tell you hell is a pagan belief, so....

Either way, Jura is trying to tell you, I believe, that whatever factors led to this rape gang doing what they did are far from being foreign and imported into the UK.

If you ask the orthodox christians, they will tell you hell is a pagan belief, so....

It's just an argument over what word to use. No one disputes the lake of fire.

Either way, Jura is trying to tell you, I believe, that whatever factors led to this rape gang doing what they did are far from being foreign and imported into the UK.

That's a hard claim to make when the rape gang was imported into the UK. What socio economic factors cause rape gangs? It's a genuine question.

I've got some ideas.

Different cultures have different attitudes towards women. Lots of Muslims believe it's ok to rape women who don't dress in the attire they want them to wear, or when they aren't Muslim.

https://www.npr.org/2015/08/13/432122595/new-york-times-islamic-state-uses-quran-to-justify-rape-of-yazidi-women

The Quran does allow the rape of "enemy" women. It also allows men to marry prepubescent children, which Christianity explicitly forbids.

Not all Muslims but a higher percentage than English people for example. I dont understand why athiests seem to defend Islam and attack Christianity. It really seems like athiests are terrified that Christians will love their enemies, do good to those which hate them, bless those that curse them, and pray for those which despitefully use them.

Also not just Muslims, India has a real problem with rape. So does Africa, it's just accepted in a lot of countries. I'm not sure if it's linked to poverty or just a societies attitude towards women.

10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

11The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

https://biblehub.com/kjv/proverbs/31.htm

Christianity isn't a bad thing Pez. It's the light of the world, it's what brought our ancestors out of barbarism. It's historically been the only thing that can civilize people.

Quote from: Pezevenk on August 28, 2024, 08:07:45 AM

If you ask the orthodox christians, they will tell you hell is a pagan belief, so....

It's just an argument over what word to use. No one disputes the lake of fire.

No, they have no issue with words, they very much do dispute the lake of fire. Orthodox christians do not believe there is a place where God sends unrepentant sinners to get punished and another one where the good people go to and are rewarded, and they say that this belief is idolatry.

That's a hard claim to make when the rape gang was imported into the UK.

These specific people were. But rape as a problem was not.

Lots of Muslims believe it's ok to rape women who don't dress in the attire they want them to wear, or when they aren't Muslim.

That's not remotely a Muslim belief. Why don't you ask wise? These kinds of rape are a SERIOUS offense to Islamic law (I'm saying these kinds because other kinds are either ok or completely invisible to it, much like in Christianity). That doesn't stop them from doing it. It also doesn't stop some Muslim societies from normalizing it. Because no society is organized simply by opening up an ancient holy book and reading straight from it or whatever. It's not that cultural factors are completely irrelevant, but they are also prone to change a lot and not determined strongly by religious creed. Religion usually serves as a rubber stamp on practices, and after all if you give a religious text to 3 people, they will usually give you 4 different readings of it. Remember what I said about the orthodox and hell?

The Quran is also not comparable to the Bible. The Quran accepts the Bible after all. The holy texts of Islam are the Torah, the Psalms, the Gospel and the Quran.

Also not just Muslims, India has a real problem with rape. So does Africa, it's just accepted in a lot of countries.

Woah it's almost as if it's not because of Islam, and it's more because patriarchy is less challenged in poorer, less educated and particularly rural places. But feminists usually get lambasted by the same people so "concerned" about Muslim rape when they dare to challenge patriarchy in western societies.

The main thing I have against the argument isn’t that the Rotherham and other rape gangs were evil, they demonstrably were, that the incompetency and subsequent cover ups masked the systematic abuse of young girls and boys in the care system is also a matter of public record.
My problem is that there is a consistent focus on one subset of abusers over all others.

The treatment and supposed care of orphans and children taken from their parents has always attracted pedo’s, vulnerable kids in tucked away institutions at the mercy of poorly administered “carers” is a candle to these sicko’s.

What makes the Pakistani Asian abuses different really, is the fact they were jailed.

The North Wales child abuse scandal had a £13 million investigation covering 18 children’s homes between 1974-1990 involving 2,600 witness statements, and exposed large-scale institutional abuse of children and young people.
One person, a former police superintendent Gordon Anglesea was sentenced to 12 years, one person!

The scandals concerning public figures, Jimmy Saville, MP Cyrill Smith and Lord Greville Janner, all linked, all with solid evidence.

Janner had allegations going back to 1955, three police investigations involving 40 witnesses, died at 87 with prosecutions pending.

Cyrill Smith had an 80 page file dating back to the 60’s was allowed to set up a hostel for “boys in need” in Rochdale, was a regular visitor to the Elm guest house, the centre of a sex abuse gang including a catholic priest, set up another institution the Knowl View School for which he held keys and abused an 8 year old boy, Lancashire police, Special Branch and MI5 knew about the allegations, never prosecuted.

So Yes, get outraged at child sex abuse, but when you only do so over the brown people/ Muslims then forgive me if I challenge your motive.

As for the non rapey bible, Judges 21:10-24, Deuteronomy 20:10-14 etcetera.

No, they have no issue with words, they very much do dispute the lake of fire. Orthodox christians do not believe there is a place where God sends unrepentant sinners to get punished and another one where the good people go to and are rewarded, and they say that this belief is idolatry.

Are you just making things up?
You better not be.
https://www.oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/spirituality/the-kingdom-of-heaven/heaven-and-hell

That's not remotely a Muslim belief.

Nevermind, you are just making things up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/20/the-islamic-states-horrifying-practice-of-sex-slavery-explained/

QURAN - 4:24

"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).

You've become dishonest Pez.

when you only do so over the brown people/ Muslims then forgive me if I challenge your motive.

Jura.
My old friend.
Are you really accusing me of this?

Well, that seems to be the argument you put. Linking the child abuse gangs in Rotherham to immigration and the destruction of my country, and then intimating that it was a cultural and “their” religion problem.


Oh! And Hell.
God so loves us that he sets up an eternal torture chamber just to prove the point!

Fuck you God.

Well, that seems to be the argument you put. Linking the child abuse gangs in Rotherham to immigration.

It's impossible not to link the child abuse gangs in Rotherham to immigration, Jura.

The North Wales child abuse scandal had a £13 million investigation covering 18 children’s homes between 1974-1990 involving 2,600 witness statements, and exposed large-scale institutional abuse of children and young people.
One person, a former police superintendent Gordon Anglesea was sentenced to 12 years, one person!

The scandals concerning public figures, Jimmy Saville, MP Cyrill Smith and Lord Greville Janner, all linked, all with solid evidence.

Janner had allegations going back to 1955, three police investigations involving 40 witnesses, died at 87 with prosecutions pending.

Cyrill Smith had an 80 page file dating back to the 60’s was allowed to set up a hostel for “boys in need” in Rochdale, was a regular visitor to the Elm guest house, the centre of a sex abuse gang including a catholic priest, set up another institution the Knowl View School for which he held keys and abused an 8 year old boy, Lancashire police, Special Branch and MI5 knew about the allegations, never prosecuted.

Also if you want to talk about how western elites rape children. (And how western intelligence helps them get away with it.)

I'd be very, very open to that discussion.

If you'd like to have it.

Edit.

Maybe I am going after low hanging fruit. Maybe we could talk about how the CIA uses child prostitutes to control assets, and how they cover up child rape committed by their employees.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/cia-covered-child-sex-crimes-least-10-employees-past-14-years/

But only if you want to.

Quote from: Pezevenk on August 29, 2024, 01:32:17 AM

No, they have no issue with words, they very much do dispute the lake of fire. Orthodox christians do not believe there is a place where God sends unrepentant sinners to get punished and another one where the good people go to and are rewarded, and they say that this belief is idolatry.

Are you just making things up?
You better not be.
https://www.oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/spirituality/the-kingdom-of-heaven/heaven-and-hell

Did you read what you linked? It says:

Thus it is the Church’s spiritual teaching that God does not punish man by some material fire or physical torment. God simply reveals Himself in the risen Lord Jesus in such a glorious way that no man can fail to behold His glory. It is the presence of God’s splendid glory and love that is the scourge of those who reject its radiant power and light.

The orthodox do not believe there literally exists a lake of fire where God puts the baddies and a good place for the goodies, they believe the SAME "revelation" thing happens to both. This same thing is felt different by different people. The ones who embrace god feel it as light and love, the other ones feel it as fire, metaphorically.

Quote from: Pezevenk on August 29, 2024, 01:32:17 AM

That's not remotely a Muslim belief.

Nevermind, you are just making things up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/20/the-islamic-states-horrifying-practice-of-sex-slavery-explained/

QURAN - 4:24

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"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).

You've become dishonest Pez.

What did I just say about people finding all sorts of justifications in religious texts for whatever they want? What did I just say about some kinds of rape being alright for whatever reason, while others are not? Wartime rape, much like other things in wartime, are treated differently. Lots of religions disallow killing, but they don't care much about killing in war time. This includes Christianity, especially as practiced. Yes you can find rape happening in war time by Muhammad and his disciples. You can also find the same exact thing in the Bible, as Jura told you. You can also find Muhammad ordering people to be stoned to death for raping women. It's not super consistent. This all doesn't mean that Islamic religious law is generally ok with rape. It very much isn't. Although it doesn't care about marital rape, for instance.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on August 29, 2024, 02:34:15 AM

Well, that seems to be the argument you put. Linking the child abuse gangs in Rotherham to immigration.

It's impossible not to link the child abuse gangs in Rotherham to immigration, Jura.

Bad people do bad things, the trope the right peddle, and you echoed was that this was unique to these particular immigrants, and they got away with it because of a reverse racism endemic in our institutions.

The white paedophile rings I pointed out, and there are many more including priests of your religion, put this into a perspective where that they were caught and sentenced (eventually) is a regrettably rare occurrence.

To say that some people we allow in to this country or their descendants, commit crimes, therefore immigration is bad is errant bollocks and an incredibly stupid argument driven by racism.

Pez I did read it, yeah.

For those who love the Lord, His Presence will be infinite joy, paradise and eternal life. For those who hate the Lord, the same Presence will be infinite torture, hell and eternal death. The reality for both the saved and the damned will be exactly the same when Christ “comes in glory, and all angels with Him,” so that “God may be all in all” (1 Cor 15–28). Those who have God as their “all” within this life will finally have divine fulfillment and life. For those whose “all” is themselves and this world, the “all” of God will be their torture, their punishment and their death. And theirs will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Mt 8.21, et al.).

The Son of Man will send His angels and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of sin and all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father (Mt 13.41–43).

Are you counting on the fact I can't read?

It's a fine interpretation of hell.
Which Orthodox Christians believe in.

Bad people do bad things.

OK Jura.
See.

if you want to talk about how western elites rape children. (And how western intelligence helps them get away with it.)

I'd be very, very open to that discussion.

If you'd like to have it.

Maybe I am going after low hanging fruit. Maybe we could talk about how the CIA uses child prostitutes to control assets, and how they cover up child rape committed by their employees.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/cia-covered-child-sex-crimes-least-10-employees-past-14-years/

But only if you want to.

Pez I did read it, yeah.

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For those who love the Lord, His Presence will be infinite joy, paradise and eternal life. For those who hate the Lord, the same Presence will be infinite torture, hell and eternal death. The reality for both the saved and the damned will be exactly the same when Christ “comes in glory, and all angels with Him,” so that “God may be all in all” (1 Cor 15–28). Those who have God as their “all” within this life will finally have divine fulfillment and life. For those whose “all” is themselves and this world, the “all” of God will be their torture, their punishment and their death. And theirs will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Mt 8.21, et al.).

The Son of Man will send His angels and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of sin and all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father (Mt 13.41–43).

Are you counting on the fact I can't read?

It's a fine interpretation of hell.
Which Orthodox Christians believe in.

This is the article talking about what the bible writes in some places. Except I explained to you the orthodox (officially at least, most people don't know exactly what is supposed to mean what) don't believe a lot of the descriptions are literal. The interpretation is exactly the part I quoted to you. They call it apophatic theology, the idea is that divine categories are completely different from human ones, so the bible often writes stuff like that to make things easier to understand. They don't believe the Bible is literal when it writes that the son of god takes the bad people and dumps them to a furnace or whatever. If you want I can find you sources where the Catholic/protestant interpretation of hell is specifically called idolatric.

You can translate this if you want, it says what their disagreement with the western interpretations are exactly:
https://el.orthodoxwiki.org/%CE%9A%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B7

Look dude, Greece is 90% orthodox. It's hard to not have that stuff shoved down your throat. I know what the orthodox think about hell. We literally learn that stuff in school. Granted, most people justifiably don't pay attention, but that's a separate thing. As I said, you don't learn much about what people in different societies really believe by opening up a holy text and reading it. People will find a million different interpretations of the same thing.

This is where, when your arguments are dismantled you panic and move the goalposts.

You made a particular point (top of the page) about you warning me about the ruination of my country due to immigration, fuelled by the riots triggered by the death of children killed by what the racists had reported as a Muslim immigrant.

I pointed out the fallacy in the reasoning and the facts, and you defaulted like many of the morons that had been involved, to “but what about the rape gangs?”

So, I again refuted with facts and now you are diverting it to CIA child prostitutes!

Fine, if you can’t, or don’t want to defend your original dog whistle, we can broaden it to how governments use people’s sexual perversions for their own profit.
I don’t think we will be disagreeing on that, but it has fuck all to do with your original point.

The riots were objectively caused by people's dissatisfaction towards the UKs immigration policies.

You don't want to talk about how western intelligence enables elite pedophile rings?
Figures.
What if you can attack the Vatican while we do it?

https://churchandstate.org.uk/2012/10/cia-and-the-vaticans-intelligence-apparatus/

https://nacla.org/news/2013/3/14/liberation-theology-cia-and-vatican-new-direction-latin-america

Doesn't tickle your fancy?
Not even a little bit?

What if I told you most of them are white?

You know sometimes I think I've won your (grudging) respect but then you come out with total garbage. It makes me feel as if you've learned nothing from all our talks.

Well, maybe tomorrow.
I hope you have a nice day Jura.

I'm going to keep reading my book.

I don't want to berate you for not being consistent, because I know you're doing your best, but when you say I only care about "brown" pedophile rings, then I offer to talk about how western intelligence enables elite western pedophile rings.

You can't say I'm trying to divert.
I'm trying to be reasonable, but you don't seem like you're in a reasonable mood today.

Ja ne.