Why care if the earth is flat?

The faked parts they put in later, you mean?

You mean the real part you dismiss as fake because you hate reality.

After the clips first came out, it was a big thing, do you know why?

Because lying POS that don't care about the truth lied about it.
Lying scum falsely claimed it hit the firmament.
Even though what was observed was nothing like hitting a solid object.

Do you know what would have happened if it did hit a solid dome? Something like this:

Notice how it doesn't just magically stop?
It disintegrates.

If the rocket smashed into your magical solid dome, it would have been destroyed entirely.
You wouldn't see the rocket at all after that.

When that little rocket launched straight up

Because it is an amateur rocket that is going up and back down, not trying to get into orbit.

Your wilful misrepresentation of reality will not change that.

It never showed that part at the end of that video, when first showed online.

You mean dishonest FEers intentionally cut the video to remove the part that showed they were wrong?

The most important thing it showed was when the speeding up fast rocket suddenly stopped in a split second, and just spun around in place, which no rocket could possibly do, nor planes or any craft can do.

No, that is the pure BS lying scum wants you to think happen.
But if you actually watch the footage, there is NOTHING indicating it suddenly stops.

All that happens is it stops spinning, using a yoyo-despin mechanism, which is entirely possible, which is trivial for rockets to do.
And that was at the same time as the engine shutoff so it stopped accelerating.
But it kept going up.

The lying scum you worship cut that part to pretend it hit the dome. But later (probably out of embarrassment) they took it down.

If you wish to claim otherwise, provide the footage.

If they really are available to buy, we’d have lots of people who have them

No, we wouldn't.

Lots of things are available to buy, with very few people having them.
Stop just clinging to this pure BS.

It just shows how desperate you are.

These rockets proved the Firmament existed, and it took one video of it to prove that it exists.

No, lying conmen intentionally misrepresented what was shown to lie to everyone and con ignorant fools into thinking it exists.
So the question is which are you? The lying conman or the ignorant fool?

Lots of people would buy them, thousands of schools would buy them

Just what schools do you think would spend tens of thousands of dollars on something like that?

Why argue over that one video, about one single go pro rocket, what does that tell you about it?

Because it is a simple example that so easily shows you are wrong.
Yet look at how desperate you are to reject it.

It also shows a very important thing:
You have no interest in any evidence at all.
If something shows you are wrong you will dismiss it as fake, because all you care about is your delusional fantasy.

>These rockets proved the Firmament existed, and it took one video of it to prove that it exists.
Which video?

Here is some of the footage I saw years ago..

https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/comments/or9zgy/amateur_rocket_hits_the_dome_at_73_miles_altitude/

The first one I saw had a lot more footage than this, showing them on ground, before the launch, and so on.

I don’t recall seeing another camera viewpoint from the rocket though, it seems to stick out because it might not have been in the earlier video of it.

Anyway, this video shows it stops suddenly, and slowly spin in place, like it can’t move anywhere but in that spot.

This obviously shows a rocket flying upward at very high speed, which suddenly stops flying up, within a split second.

That is seen over just a few frames in the video, it happens almost instantly, that is clear to see in the clip.

There is no rocket or plane that can suddenly stop in mid-air, going from high speed flight, it is not even possible.

Look at the ground after it stops suddenly in air, the ground is the same throughout the time, showing it is not moving or flying at all from that point, it is at one point in air, slowly spinning around.

The only explanation for this, would be that the speedy rocket hit a massive barrier up there, which was also shown on other videos of rockets hitting that same vast barrier, but those rockets didn’t stop in one place like that rocket did, those rockets bounced along the wall afterwards, causing ripples to form within the waters held up by the barrier.

They’ve likely removed those videos now, why would they ever remove them?

Those videos showed the rocket from Earth, but they didn’t show it with magnification, that’s odd, why wouldn’t they want to see the rocket closer in flight, that’s just common sense, a child would know better than that, so why don’t they know it?

They do know it, they just don’t show it to us, for some strange reason!

Don’t spew about that just because I would do it, doesn’t mean they have to meet your requirements, that’s just bs.

This is just common sense and would always be done, to film any rockets at all.

We all know they fly far up or away from us in flights, and we all know they are harder to see later on, smaller and smaller to see.

Hey, we should magnify on them with instruments! All we’ve done is see them get smaller and smaller with our instruments so far, why didn’t we ever think they could be seen close up with magnification before?


Is that what they would do?

Do you really believe they’ve not filmed them with magnification from the ground?

You think they didn’t magnify that little rocket which hit the Firmament from the ground?

The first video I saw showed them filming the rocket from ground, flying up for awhile, and cutting out from there.

And it wasn’t magnified footage either, but they still cut it off in flight.

Why wouldn’t they ever magnify their very subject, isn’t what they do.

They film it close up all the time, but never show us the footage.

They show us rockets without ever magnifying them, from ground. Only from air, alongside them, if at all.

They’ve made people forget about magnifying on a rocket, from the ground. They fly away and appear smaller and smaller from the ground view, but never magnify them with the cameras, or show other cameras magnifying them from the ground.

But then, they put in short clips showing them in close up, but the angle makes it look like they filmed it in air, near the rocket, because as it’s shown, it could not be taken from the ground, to a rocket high above them.

They never tell us where they got that footage from, why not?

It’s likely taken from the ground and edited that way, or from another plane, who knows?

Why would they edit the film that way? To show us they do film rockets close up, and assume it’s taken from the ground, even if it can’t be from ground at those angles.

It’s all about manipulating our minds and forget to use common sense and reasoning logically.

Cool video... tks

^.^

Here is some of the footage I saw years ago..
https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/comments/or9zgy/amateur_rocket_hits_the_dome_at_73_miles_altitude/

Where a rocket uses a despin mechanism to stop spinning and continues rising.
There is NOTHING to indicate it hit a magical dome.
Again, if it hit such a magical dome, the rocket wouldn't have survived.

Anyway, this video shows it stops suddenly, and slowly spin in place, like it can’t move anywhere but in that spot.

No, it doesn't.
That is the lie the FE conmen want you to believe.
There is NOTHING to indicate it stops.
If the lying subhuman scum that posted the video did it honestly, you would have been able to see what happened after, and see that the rocket still continues to rise.

But they don't want that. They want to lie to everyone and claim there is a magical dome, so they dishonestly cut the video.

There is no rocket or plane that can suddenly stop

Nor does the rocket in the video do so.

Look at the ground after it stops suddenly in air

So never?
As it doesn't suddenly stop?
Do you mean after it significantly slows down how fast it is spinning?
Where we see it for just 4 seconds in that dishonestly cut clip, which isn't even enough for a complete rotation?

That isn't even enough to go

Why not use the original?
Do you even know that the maker of that video you appeal to made a follow up one, admitting it didn't hit the dome?


Why not use this one from before:


There is still NOTHING to indicate it is magically stopping.

But don't worry, even those 4 seconds are enough to show you are a lying POS.

The lighter part is from just after the despin mechanism activates.
The much darker part is waiting for the clip as long as possible, after it already started to fade, rotated into roughly matching the correct orientation.

This shows beyond any doubt that the rocket has continued to climb. i.e. it does not stop.
You are lying to everyone yet again.

There is NOTHING in the footage to indicate it stops, and plenty to show it continues to rise.

The only explanation for this

Would be that the rocket was spin stabilised during ascent and then deployed a despin mechanism after the engine cut-off, after which it continued to rise; but because this doesn't match your delusional fantasy you are blatantly lying to everyone, spouting pure BS which the video you linked doesn't support.

What is absolutely certain, is that this rocket did not hit a dome.
This is for several reasons, one is that the rocket remained intact, with no damage from any collision; compare that to the video I provided above where a jet basically entirely disintegrated upon collision with a wall.
And the other is because it keeps rising.

And more importantly for what was being discussed, it clearly demonstrates that it is not some magical dome causing the sky to appear blue.

So care to stop lying to everyone?

which was also shown on other videos of rockets hitting that same vast barrier

What "other videos"?
You are yet to provide a single video which supports your BS?

They’ve likely removed those videos now, why would they ever remove them?

So you are speculating that they removed them, and then asking why?

Those videos showed

What videos?
Provide a video or your claim is empty and worthless.

Do you really believe they’ve not filmed them with magnification from the ground?

We have plenty of them. But they can only magnify to a limit.

We cannot see if the rocket was damaged or not, so you can’t claim to know it wasn’t damaged

We also don’t know what material makes up the Firmament, whether soft and pliable or hard and rigid, both factors would play a part in any impact damage or not.

Other rockets bounced off the wall and kept flying along it, so weren’t damaged either. These videos exist, but removed later, maybe someone downloaded them, but who knows.

Those were your reasons for it not hitting the barrier and don’t hold up as I’ve explained.

You cannot explain how it could go from high speed and suddenly stop completely in a split second, it is impossible to do. Cutting the engines doesn’t stop it in a split second from high speed to a full stop.

And the ground is the same throughout, it doesn’t fly after it hits the wall, it stays in one place, because it’s engines are still working and hold it up to the wall in one spot.

We cannot see if the rocket was damaged or not, so you can’t claim to know it wasn’t damaged

Yes, we can.
We can still see part of the rocket in shot, so that part clearly isn't damaged.
And in the follow up video, you see the recovery of the intact and undamaged rocket.

We also don’t know what material makes up the Firmament, whether soft and pliable or hard and rigid, both factors would play a part in any impact damage or not.

And would also relate to if it can magically stop the rocket isntantly.
So either the rocket should be destroyed, or it should take some time to stop.
Either way, your BS fails.

Other rockets bounced off the wall and kept flying along it

You mean your baseless claim you can't substantiate at all.

Those were your reasons for it not hitting the barrier and don’t hold up as I’ve explained.

Except your excuses don't address them.

You cannot explain how it could go from high speed and suddenly stop completely in a split second

It doesn't.

I even provided frames from the clip you appealed to showing it is still going up.


You are baselessly asserting it is magically stopped, yet you have NOTHING to support that claim of yours.

And the ground is the same throughout, it doesn’t fly after it hits the wall, it stays in one place, because it’s engines are still working and hold it up to the wall in one spot.

And with that you are just intentionally and wilfully lying to everyone.
I already demonstrated it does keep going up.

You are so pathetic and dishonest that you will blatantly lie to everyone right after being shown that that statement of yours is a lie.
You truly don't give a damn about reality at all do you?

What frames do you claim to see it still flying upward, soecifically?

Are you saying the ground looks to be lower down?

What’s the black flashing square about? The ground is the same as before.

It’s not going up at all.

What frames do you claim to see it still flying upward, soecifically?

Are you saying the ground looks to be lower down?

What’s the black flashing square about? The ground is the same as before.

It’s not going up at all.

I already told you what frames.
Just after the yo-yo despin mechanism triggers, slowing down the spin, and roughly 1 spin later as it fades to black.

It is darker, because the video had it fade to black.

And what we see is that same feature on the ground, but signifcantly reduced in apparent size, clearly demonstrating the rocket is further from it, i.e. it has gone up.

That is NOT the ground being the same as before.

You wilfully lying about what has been clearly demonstrated will not help it. It just shows how dishonest and desperate you are.

Are you joking? The rocket is seen flying up fast and suddenly stops in its tracks. Nothing faded out there, no cuts or edits, that’s your bs going on afterwards.

I suppose you think it’s going from high speed to a slow drift upward? Good one.

Are you joking? The rocket is seen flying up fast and suddenly stops in its tracks.

No, I'm not joking, but you are clearly lying yet agian.
Once more, IT DOES NOT SUDDENLY STOP!
You have NOTHING to base that upon, and the frames shown above clearly show that is pure BS.

It slows down how fast it is spinning, but it continues going up.

Lying will not save you.

If you want to try claiming it has magically stopped, then prove it.
Stop with the pathetic assertions and provide a justification.

Don't bother saying the ground is the same, as it clearly isn't, as shown above.

All you are doing is showing how much of lying POS you are.

The rocket was flying up fast while the ground below was further and further below, then it stopped flying in a fraction of a second, and the ground was the same while it drifted in place. That’s clear to see. You imagine it flying when the ground is the same, that’s your delusion.

The rocket was flying up fast while the ground below was further and further below, then it stopped flying in a fraction of a second, and the ground was the same while it drifted in place. That’s clear to see. You imagine it flying when the ground is the same, that’s your delusion.

Repeating the same pathetic assertion wont help you.
Especially given it has already been shown to be a lie.

The rocket was flying up, and continued to do so, with features continuing to get smaller.
That is clear to see, especially with this simple gif showing the change in a feature on the ground over a few frames:


You are just wilfully rejecting reality and spouting pure BS to pretend your fantasy is true.

If the ground is magically the same, why does this feature get smaller in the footage?

I don’t see anything smaller at all. What is the black square about?

Okay, let’s assume it’s getting smaller. The area of ground is the very same throughout the time, right?

If the rocket really WAS flying up at that point, the areas of Earth would change, it would not be possible to stay the very same, over the flight from that point onward.
 
Outline any specific area you claim it changes over those frames, not a big black square flashing in and out again. It’s useless.

I don’t see anything smaller at all.

Because you choose to be wilfully ignorant.

What is the black square about?

I already told you, it is part of a frame of the video, which has been rotated to align the feature.
It clearly shows the feature is smaller.

This is not hard to understand. Stop playing dumb.

If the rocket really WAS flying up at that point, the areas of Earth would change, it would not be possible to stay the very same, over the flight from that point onward.

Why? Yet again you assert pure BS with no justification at all.

Lets focus on the fact it is still going up. Once you fully admit that fact we can move on.

It stops flying completely, that’s why we see the same ground after that.

The most obvious difference is when it IS flying up, and then doesn’t look the same anymore, and the ground can be seen afterwards. We couldn’t really see the ground before that. No more spinning after that, we see no movement of the rocket except slowly spinning around.

If the rocket was always spinning as it flew upward, it would keep on spinning as before, but it slows way down in a spin.

It stops flying completely, that’s why we see the same ground after that.

Repeating the same lie isn't going to help you.
We don't see the same ground after that. The ground continues to appear to shrink.

So how about you stop with all the BS and instead try to explain how features on the ground appear to shrink when it has magically stopped?

The most obvious difference is when it IS flying up, and then doesn’t look the same anymore, and the ground can be seen afterwards.

That is because it slows the rate of spin.

We couldn’t really see the ground before that.

i.e. you have absolutely no comparison for how the ground should appear to be changing, and then make a bold claim (which has been refuted, and shown to be pure BS) based upon a tiny portion of the video.

Meanwhile, again, the ground IS changing:

https://i.imgur.com/9MhFzOG.gif

You can even see a side by side comparison:


On the left, just after the spin slows down, the red line is ~341 px. On the right, after almost another spin, it is only ~308 px.

Features on the ground are appearing to shrink.
It is not the same ground.
There is NOTHING to indicate it has magically stopped.
You lying will not change that.

No more spinning after that, we see no movement of the rocket except slowly spinning around.

And it continuing to get further away from the ground.
Lying wont change that.

If the rocket was always spinning as it flew upward, it would keep on spinning as before, but it slows way down in a spin.

Why?
It uses a Yo-Yo despin mechanism.
Specifically to stop it spinning.
Why should that magically not work and instead have it continue to spin?

Yet again you just spout pure BS with no justification.

Why is the other frame in black? 

If it’s still flying up, we’d not see clear ground below it. We never saw clear ground up to that point, so we’d not see it clearly after that point.

This is not the original video of it, this has been edited and tweaked and plugged in fake footage at the end of it.

Did you see the first version or subsequent versions of that video?

I’m not sure, but I think I saw a later version. Not this one though, it’s altogether different than the one I first saw.

If there is one thing that we’d all make sure to do, when planning out how to launch our own, very precious and expensive rocket into the air, is certainly attach cameras to the rocket itself, which they did.

And the other most important thing to do, is to film the rocket from the ground, with several cameras over the area, because it’s better to use as many cameras on ground as possible to.

But the most important thing to do, is magnifying the cameras on the tiny rocket as much as possible.

But once again, like every other video shows of rockets filmed from the ground, they don’t magnify the rocket, or don’t show it magnified at all!

That’s probably why they cut out that ground footage from the latest versions of it, because it looks stupid.

Let’s film our tiny rocket from the ground. But don’t magnify the camera when it’s a little dot in the sky!

What a joke!

Why is the other frame in black? 

I already told you.
The video you decided to appeal to dishonestly faded out the footage after a few seconds.
It is so much darker because of that fade.

Or haven't you even bothered watching the footage you are appealing to?

If it’s still flying up, we’d not see clear ground below it.

Why?
Because you spout pure BS?
What about going up will make the ground hard to see?

We never saw clear ground up to that point, so we’d not see it clearly after that point.

That is from the spinning, not from it going up.
When the spin slows down, you can see the ground clearly.

This is not the original video of it, this has been edited and tweaked and plugged in fake footage at the end of it.

Or, you are a lying POS, caught in another lie, so now you yet again dismiss the footage that shows you are a lying POS.

This was the footage YOU appealed to.

If you think there is magically some other footage, then provide it.
Otherwise, this footage clearly shows it continues to go up.
You have NOTHING to support your claim that it magically stopped.

But if you are going to just dismiss it as fake because you are lying to everyone, then why should anyone accept any other footage of this which shows anything different? How can you tell which is real and which is fake?

As I said before, there is a quite obvious way. If the rocket stopped it would have been destroyed.

And the other most important thing to do, is to film the rocket from the ground, with several cameras over the area, because it’s better to use as many cameras on ground as possible to.

But the most important thing to do, is magnifying the cameras on the tiny rocket as much as possible.

No, it isn't.
Once again, what purpose do they serve?
They certainly wont convince a dishonest POS like you.

What a joke!

You most certainly are, but not a funny one.
You spout pure BS, provide a video to claim as reference, and then continue the same refuted lies about it, until you eventually give up and claim it is fake, with more delusional BS claims.

Yet again, all the available evidence shows you are wrong.
You have no evidence at all for your magic dome.
All the evidence shows space is real.

The point you are making is that liars will lie even when faced with facts. No one can seriously believe the crap pushed by wacky flat earth models. To prove them wrong just go outside and watch the sun. Is it hovering over your head or setting and rising? You do not need to travel anywhere, just look out the window. The sun and moon could be hovering just above the ground when they cannot be seen by you and then do a big arc to be highest over you at the half time you can see them and then hover around near the ground when they set and circle around to where they rise up again. This could account for what you see. But the sun and moon are rising and setting and traveling in an arc when you can see them. Everyone could simultaneously be at the center of the flat earth and this would work. But it is still not the model presented here. And what could explain the right angle turn by the sun and moon just as they dip out of sight? The evidence is clear to everyone and those that argue it does not have to refuse to look in the sky or else just lie about it. No one not seriously mentally impaired could actually truthfully believe the wacky models that do not work.

I don't really get why anyone cares if the earth is flat or not.  It would seem that the flat earth is described in a way that makes all our observations (for some definition of "all") indistinguishable between a flat earth and a globe earth.  We can't seem to find any set of tests that will actually show a difference between the two world views. 

So, why care? 

Obviously, many people here do care.  There are any number of raging debates going on here, with each side trying to show just how wrong the other side must be, and how not agreeing with them means the others must be totally stupid or easily duped.  But, why?

Why does anyone bother to post here?  Nothing you say will change the minds of those you are "debating" with.  So, why try?

I care because the lack of critical thinking needed to reach the conclusion the earth is flat infects every other part of said person's reasoning.

If you actually look at the evidence, and sincerely believe it points to the earth being flat, you are likely buying into an entire range of BS that impacts how you act and how you vote.

They invite celebrities like William Shatner and Michael Strahan to become heroic astronauts on space missions!

A 90 year old actor and a retired football player wouldn’t be fooled if they had ever faked it all!

I’m sure they don’t have to sign any non-disclosure agreements before they can go, agree to the story, or F off !
After their missions, they always mention seeing ‘the curvature of Earth’ from ‘space’, and that they ‘floated around’ in zero gravity’.

Make sure to mention seeing ‘curvature’ of ball Earth, it’s very important to say that!

They invite celebrities like William Shatner and Michael Strahan to become heroic astronauts on space missions!

A 90 year old actor and a retired football player wouldn’t be fooled if they had ever faked it all!

I’m sure they don’t have to sign any non-disclosure agreements before they can go, agree to the story, or F off !
After their missions, they always mention seeing ‘the curvature of Earth’ from ‘space’, and that they ‘floated around’ in zero gravity’.

Make sure to mention seeing ‘curvature’ of ball Earth, it’s very important to say that!

So just a pathetic temper tantrum?

Going to admit you lied to everyone and that the rocket doesn't magically stop? That instead the footage shows it continuing to rise and that you have NOTHING to support your delusional BS?

It’s the reality that it stops flying up after it hits the firmament, it’s not magic, it’s a fact.

Rockets cannot stop instantly in mid air. Neither can planes.

It’s not in motion as it was until that point. We couldn’t see the ground steadily until that point. It’s nearly stopped spinning at that point.

All of this indicates it has stopped flying upward. No doubt at all

It’s the reality that it stops flying up after it hits the firmament, it’s not magic, it’s a fact.

No, that is a blatant lie as already proven by the angular size of features on the ground reducing.

Rockets cannot stop instantly in mid air.

But they can stop spinning, or at least slow down the spin a lot.
And that is exactly what it did.
It kept going up, but slowed down how quickly it was spinning.

It’s not in motion as it was until that point. We couldn’t see the ground steadily until that point. It’s nearly stopped spinning at that point.
All of this indicates it has stopped flying upward. No doubt at all

No, it doesn't.
Not in the slightest.
How does it stopping spinning magically mean it has stopped flying upwards?

You may as well be saying you saw a plane do a barrel roll, and then stop spinning, and because it stopped spinning that must have meant it magically stopped entirely.
It is dishonest, delusional BS with no connection to reality at all.

Again, the footage clearly shows it continues to go up.
No amount of lying on your part will change that.

Once more, you have NOTHING to support your delusional BS, and the evidence YOU appealed to shows you are lying to everyone.

Going to admit that yet, or are you going to continue to lie to everyone?

A black square put over a frame isn’t helping your argument, even if you have nothing else.

Why would the evidence stop your delusional belief system  at this point? Nothing else does m m.

The title is why care if the Earth is flat? Why is this site full of ball Earthers? I know aliens are bs,,so why argue with people who believe in aliens? That’s their problem.

Who is a paid toady of ball Earth scum here? Hands up anyone?

The rest of you are here for?

They invite celebrities like William Shatner and Michael Strahan to become heroic astronauts on space missions!

Maybe they should invite you.  After all, they couldn't possibly fool such a keen mind as yours,

A black square

Not a black square.
2 frames from the video, showing the same feature, with the latter frame showing it smaller, clearly demonstrate the craft is further away and thus it is continuing to rise.

Why would the evidence stop your delusional belief system  at this point? Nothing else does m m.

There you go projecting again.
You were provided the evidence that shows you are wrong, and you are so desperate to ignore it you pretend it is just a black square.

Remember this which you just ignored entirely a threw a tantrum instead:

i.e. you have absolutely no comparison for how the ground should appear to be changing, and then make a bold claim (which has been refuted, and shown to be pure BS) based upon a tiny portion of the video.

Meanwhile, again, the ground IS changing:

Quote

https://i.imgur.com/9MhFzOG.gif

You can even see a side by side comparison:


On the left, just after the spin slows down, the red line is ~341 px. On the right, after almost another spin, it is only ~308 px.

Features on the ground are appearing to shrink.
It is not the same ground.
There is NOTHING to indicate it has magically stopped.
You lying will not change that.

Once more, you have NOTHING to support your BS claims, and your own evidence shows you are a lying POS.