You don’t have any evidence for any of their claims to start with, that’s why you’ll believe anything they claim as true, including aliens from ‘space’, invading/destroying Earth!!
You mean there are mountains of evidence which you reject by dismissing them as lies, and then you proceed to spout loads of lies.
Stop just repeating the same dishonest BS.
I will not simply believe anything they claim as true.
That is just your fantasy.
And it is a fantasy which doesn't need them to lie about the shape of Earth.
It is a fantasy where people are idiots who will just accept whatever lie they are told by those in authority.
Those in that position of authority wouldn't need to lie about the shape of Earth.
That would just be an entirely unnecessary risk.
Saturn
You can keep that BS in the other thread. Stop deflecting.
How have we proven someone lied, or a group of people lied?
How did we prove those people involved in Watergate were liars?
With tapes of them saying things which implicated them in criminal acts, which they denied saying, or was faked and edited tapes, etc.
Except that there were many other tapes, and other evidence, making it clear and conclusive proof they lied, etc.
As opposed to you that just dismisses all the evidence showing they are wrong as lies.
Of course, a motive or motives for anyone to lie, are also important.
And you cannot provide any for lying about the shape of Earth.
Nothing is an actual science in seeing the stars, or seeing anything else at all, under Earth, in ground or water, or on the surface of Earth, or above the surface of Earth, never has, never will.
You mean you don't like it, so you dismiss it as not actual science.
It’s very obvious to see WHY they never let us see through their telescopes
Because the state of the art instruments are quite expensive.
And time on them is at a premium.
They don't want to waste it letting you piss around looking through it just to say its fake.
But no one is stopping you paying for your own.
But again, that is for the other thread.
For this thread you should be focusing on that motive.
Why would they lie about the shape of Earth?
What do they gain from it?
Now compare this to the delusional crap you believe, i.e. your religion.
A religion which talks about a judgement day, where what is equivalent to alien invaders will come and destroy the world and everyone on it, except those deemed to be save by obeying what the people selling you this story tell you.
Instead of promising to defeat these "aliens" they get you to worship them and submit. But in reality you are submitting to those selling you this story.
Everything claimed about ‘space’ is not evidence.
No, but the evidence of it is.
What would be easier to prove, beyond any doubt, forever and ever?
The very same thing that they will never do, because it would prove their story is all built on this lie.
Launch rockets straight upward, and see if they fly up into ‘space’ or not!
You mean the very same thing they have done, which you simply dismissed because you have no interest in ever accepting the truth.
They have already launched rockets straight up.
You have seen footage of such a rocket, both from the ground, and from the rocket itself.
There are mountains of evidence, but you just reject it all.
Why would we ever think it would be different for any other highly specific demands for your footage?
If you already saying all of that is fake, how would your pathetic demands be any different?
What would stop you just dismissing it?
But no, there is a far simpler way.
Measure the pressure gradient of the atmosphere.
Realise that the pressure drops as you get higher.
Extrapolate that and you reach a point where the atmosphere is pretty much not there at all. That is space.
Even if you want to appeal to your delusional fantasy, where you have a magical firmament; what is on the other side? SPACE!
Space is real. There is ample evidence to show it is real and none to show it is fake.
Your wilful rejection of reality doesn't change that.
The air is thinner at higher altitudes, God designed it that way.
i.e. pure magic with no explanation.
Why would your made up ‘pulling all things down to Earth’ force, not pull down all the air above Earth to the surface?
Why would your magical force not work consistently like all actual forces do?
How about you stop talking about your magical fantasy and instead talk about the very real force of gravity.
A force which is consistent.
It is quite simple, you have a layer of air. Gravity pulls it down, but there is air below it.
This pushes on the air below, PRESSURING it.
This pressurised air below then pushes up on the air above, supporting it.
This causes a pressure gradient in all fluids, based upon the weight of that fluid.
How can the moon be in ‘space’ when it’s lower than the blue skies above us?
It isn't.
That is just your dishonest BS you have no evidence to justify.
The moon is always below our skies, it is seen blocking out our blue skies above it
No, it isn't.
It is seen THROUGH the blue sky, with the brighter light from the moon overcoming the blue light of the sky.
It is not a magical solid blue sky which doesn't allow any light through.
It is a most transparent atmosphere, which scatters light making it appear blue, but other bright light can shine through as well.
Your delusional BS is like saying fog is a magical solid object which blocks all light, and you shouldn't be able to see fog lights through it.