Why care if the earth is flat?

I don't understand why you are so fast to insult people when they don't get your point. If no one is giving you a satisfactory answer to your question, shouldn't you consider asking in a different way?

Besides, I did answer some of your questions.

Why does anyone bother to post here? - because people enjoying debating and arguing

You assume the goal is to change minds. Some people just want to hone their debate skills and increase their knowledge in the process. Some people just want to spam. Some people just want to post insults.

Anyway, most of your posts are condescending and rude. You shouldn't be surprised when you find it difficult to get the answers you want.

There seem to be a great many here who only want to bicker and argue, not in a constructive way.  I think people here are conditioned to think everything should start a fight.

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Quote from: gnuarm on June 03, 2024, 11:27:12 AM

There seem to be a great many here who only want to bicker and argue, not in a constructive way.  I think people here are conditioned to think everything should start a fight.

don't tell me how to debate.
them's fightn words
come on bro
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Quote from: Smoke Machine on June 03, 2024, 02:23:49 AM

It's not wrong. You can't tell me Earth's relationship right now with the sun and moon and all other planets in our solar system as you read this

You have already had the BS destroyed.
Not knowing that off the top of my head does NOT mean I am thinking Earth is flat.
It does not mean the local environment is flattish.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on June 03, 2024, 02:23:49 AM

If some smart arse were to come along in the Flat Earth movement, they could re-package and revamp it into a very powerful movement.

You mean they could spout the same kind of dishonest BS FE conmen already do?
That isn't anything new.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on June 03, 2024, 02:23:49 AM

Flat Earth could be re-packaged into a movement about concentrating on earthly human problems first, and otherworldly wonders last.
Responsibility starts in the immediate world environment, Jack, with flat earth standing for that.

So it could be repackaged into something with nothing at all to do with a flat Earth?
If so, why pretend it has anythign to do with it?

I was talking about distilling the deeper underlying themes coursing through flat earth belief, which hard nosed toffees like you cannot see. The underlying themes is what the flat earth movement could morph towards making prominent.

1. That space exploration is unimportant compared to problems down here on Earth's surface.
2. That space exploration moves humanity away from facing and dealing with bigger problems here at home.
3. That if people kept their feet flat on the ground and their heads dealing with immediate world everyday issues instead of distracted and preoccupied with entertainment and other things such as space exploration, individual lives would improve and societies as a whole would improve.
4. That the flat earth immediate world of people should always be the primary focus to bring about wider change.
5. That the flat earth immediate world of people can bring people to a closer relationship with their belief in a higher being, that is lost when pondering the vastness of outer space and other planetary worlds.
6. That the larger world is constantly looking for answers outside instead of looking for answers right in front of them, or inside.
7. That the bible still has relevance in today's society in the way people can live their lives better.

Those are powerful underlying themes that the flat earth movement could embrace, and maybe one day will, when it moves away from Earth's actual overall shape being the primary focus. Yes, I have a utopian view of what the flat earth movement could be and could represent.
 

1  problems here half solved if we ship the assholes outta here.

Bezos musk and other guy almost there.



In space
No one can here you scream, "work harder for slave labour'

I was talking about distilling the deeper underlying themes coursing through flat earth belief, which hard nosed toffees like you cannot see.

You mean the themes you would like to imagine are present, but actually have nothing to do with FE belief.

Perhaps the only one that actually relates is this crap:

7. That the bible still has relevance in today's society in the way people can live their lives better.

No more so than any other book, and in fact, much less. Unless you want to use it as an example of how not to live.

Remember, it is the Bible that people have used to try to declare homosexuality an abomination.

The actual themes running through a FE:
1 - General distrust.
2 - The government is lying to you and trying to control you.
3 - Science is lying to you and fakes so much data as a part of a conspiracy.
4 - If you can't see it or understand it it must be wrong.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on June 05, 2024, 03:36:48 PM

I was talking about distilling the deeper underlying themes coursing through flat earth belief, which hard nosed toffees like you cannot see.

You mean the themes you would like to imagine are present, but actually have nothing to do with FE belief.

Perhaps the only one that actually relates is this crap:

Quote from: Smoke Machine on June 05, 2024, 03:36:48 PM

7. That the bible still has relevance in today's society in the way people can live their lives better.

No more so than any other book, and in fact, much less. Unless you want to use it as an example of how not to live.

Remember, it is the Bible that people have used to try to declare homosexuality an abomination.

The actual themes running through a FE:
1 - General distrust.
2 - The government is lying to you and trying to control you.
3 - Science is lying to you and fakes so much data as a part of a conspiracy.
4 - If you can't see it or understand it it must be wrong.

Come on Black how about you list the things about Flat earth belief you consider to be true. Lets remember you said this:-

"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Ok you may have listed sesame of their crazy belief but how about listing the true stuff.


Also if you claim that flat earth believers think this:-

 "Science is lying to you and fakes so much data as a part of a conspiracy."

How is that they can then generate scientific flat earth models if they think, as you claim, that science is lying and fakes its data?

Im confused about what you actually think. It's looking like you will just say anything for effect. Where is your consistency?

Come on Black how about you list the things about Flat earth belief you consider to be true. Lets remember you said this:-

How about you stop burring your head in the sand, and accept what has already been provided?
If you need to find that, go back to where I made the statement.

Im confused about what you actually think.

Probably because you are continually inventing strawmen to attack rather than focusing on what I have actually said; and you have no interest in using your brain at all.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2024, 02:55:10 AM

Come on Black how about you list the things about Flat earth belief you consider to be true. Lets remember you said this:-

How about you stop burring your head in the sand, and accept what has already been provided?
If you need to find that, go back to where I made the statement.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2024, 02:55:10 AM

Im confused about what you actually think.

Probably because you are continually inventing strawmen to attack rather than focusing on what I have actually said; and you have no interest in using your brain at all.

Im just putting forward your own words, your own contradictions.

May I remind you once again you said:

"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

So what are these truths? and why do you frequently disagree with your very own words.

Flat earth belief and be both nonsense and true at the same time. So what is it?

Im just putting forward your own words, your own contradictions.

No, you are not putting forward my own contradiction.

why do you frequently disagree with your very own words.

I don't.
You instead lie and pretend I do.

Flat earth belief and be both nonsense and true at the same time. So what is it?

Already covered by the quote you keep appealing to, which has already been addressed in the other threads.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2024, 05:00:57 AM

Im just putting forward your own words, your own contradictions.

No, you are not putting forward my own contradiction.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2024, 05:00:57 AM

why do you frequently disagree with your very own words.

I don't.
You instead lie and pretend I do.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2024, 05:00:57 AM

Flat earth belief and be both nonsense and true at the same time. So what is it?

Already covered by the quote you keep appealing to, which has already been addressed in the other threads.

Are you denying the are your words?

"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Are you denying the are your words?

No, I'm denying your lies about them.
They are NOT a contradiction, and I have provided them.
If you don't believe me, go find the original source for those words.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2024, 05:11:26 AM

Are you denying the are your words?

No, I'm denying your lies about them.
They are NOT a contradiction, and I have provided them.
If you don't believe me, go find the original source for those words.

So Black, remind me what are the truths you claim?

Remember these are your words:-

"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

So Black, remind me what are the truths you claim?

Or, you can go find the post where I made those words, and provide a link to it here first, rather than just repeating a quote with no context.

Those who believe Earth is a ball in endless space, will believe in aliens from endless space would be possible, you’ll believe in aliens, when the Earth is attacked by them, and the most important part, every human is distinct in some way, which they have found out from tests, of both humans and captured aliens on Earth, which makes humans known from aliens on Earth.

We are required to go in and be tested and marked as human or alien, to save the world

Once you believe the Earth is a ball in endless space, then you’ll believe anything else they tell you is true, that’s as dangerous as it can get!!

Once you believe the Earth is a ball in endless space, then you’ll believe anything else they tell you is true, that’s as dangerous as it can get!!

Celestial navigation and using the direction south only makes sense for a spherical earth. 

Those who believe Earth is a ball in endless space, will believe in aliens from endless space would be possible, you’ll believe in aliens, when the Earth is attacked by them, and the most important part, every human is distinct in some way, which they have found out from tests, of both humans and captured aliens on Earth, which makes humans known from aliens on Earth.

We are required to go in and be tested and marked as human or alien, to save the world

As opposed to the delusional BS you beleive where angels can attack us.
You are appealing to a delusional fantasy, which doesn't even depend on Earth being round.
You could say they are the inahabitants of caves deep within Earth, who have come to the surface to attack us.
Or just inhabitants of other Earth like regions that have found a way in.
Or for those who believe in an infinite FE, they can just be from a different spot on Earth.

So no, that isn't a reason.
Try again.

Once you believe the Earth is a ball in endless space, then you’ll believe anything else they tell you is true, that’s as dangerous as it can get!!

No, we wont.
Accepting an element of reality (that Earth is a ball in apparently endless space) does not mean we will just believe anything someone says.

Once you believe the Earth is a ball in endless space, then you’ll believe anything else they tell you is true, that’s as dangerous as it can get!!

and if a charismatic preacher says he alone has divine access to the word of god and that god commands himi to tell you that you should go out and kill the enemy.

is that also not "dangerous" belief?





side note
does it take any special amount of leap of faith to believe how circles and triangles work?
what's the angle between an 8,000sided polygon?

Once you believe the Earth is a ball in endless space, then you’ll believe anything else they tell you is true, that’s as dangerous as it can get!!

As opposed to believing that the earth is disk continually accelerating upwards through endless space?  What does that lead to?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 02, 2024, 09:02:30 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2024, 05:36:52 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 02, 2024, 04:38:07 AM

You mean you reject all observations you can easily make to determine the shape of Earth; and instead decide what you want to be the case, and dismiss anythign else as silly.
This is shown repeatedly by your inability to demonstrate anything "silly" about the RE model.
Instead, you can only dismiss it as "silly".

Jack, you have no clue what the Earth is and you are totally reliant on the movie makers and story tellers. That's it.
You go with the mainstream flow and it really is as simple as that.

And what is it that you rely on? Your infertile imagination!

Why are you guys arguing this here?  Can't you allow a single thread to be free of your rancor?

That’s the whole point.

Since the Enlightenment there have been various anti-enlightenment  movements whose sole purpose is to spread misinformation and cast doubt on validated science and expert opinion in favour of a more libertarian ‘make up your own truth’ approach. More recently this anti-enlightenment approach had found its way into main steam politics where it is a real and present danger to democracy.
Flat earth belief is just one facet of this way of thinking that disregards the truth in favour of made up nonsense.
Believing in made up nonsense then allows people to do what ever they want and blissfully ignore the consequences as they can tell themselves only what they want to believe rather than confronting the truth.
Climate change is a prime example. Despite the USA and Canada suffering unprecedented heatwaves, fires, droughts, flooding, storms of increased strength and destructive power these people will pretend all that is nothing to do with climate change despite all the evidence. In their minds which has already rejected science they simply see it as some more evidence they can choose to ignore, despite its clear reality.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2024/07/12/heat-wave-central-us-2024/74378494007/

To them it’s not happening despite the reality!

Flat earth belief is just one manifestation of this irrational anti-enlightenment libertarian way of thinking which if left unchecked will ultimately destroy civilisation as we know it. The USA with Trump 2 on the horizon is a clear example of what rejection of science and the truth can lead to.

Though it’s not rancor it’s more standing up for the truth.

@TimeIsUp   ,   @JackBlack


Lol.. still here guys?
You 2 guys literally spending hours each day trying to debunk EVERY post on this forum.
Wow!
Like, how much did you guys get paid? xd
Or are your wives that boring?
Unimaginable

@TimeIsUp   ,   @JackBlack


Lol.. still here guys?
You 2 guys literally spending hours each day trying to debunk EVERY post on this forum.
Wow!
Like, how much did you guys get paid? xd
Or are your wives that boring?
Unimaginable

Have you been watching?
Why do you spend so much time watching what other people do, only to then pass stupid comments.
What gives?

@TimeIsUp   ,   @JackBlack


Lol.. still here guys?
You 2 guys literally spending hours each day trying to debunk EVERY post on this forum.
Wow!
Like, how much did you guys get paid? xd
Or are your wives that boring?
Unimaginable

Who were you before being omer?

As opposed to the delusional BS you beleive where angels can attack us.
You are appealing to a delusional fantasy, which doesn't even depend on Earth being round.
You could say they are the inahabitants of caves deep within Earth, who have come to the surface to attack us.
Or just inhabitants of other Earth like regions that have found a way in.
Or for those who believe in an infinite FE, they can just be from a different spot on Earth.

So no, that isn't a reason.
Try again.

Quote from: turbonium2 on July 10, 2024, 11:42:40 PM

Once you believe the Earth is a ball in endless space, then you’ll believe anything else they tell you is true, that’s as dangerous as it can get!!

No, we wont.
Accepting an element of reality (that Earth is a ball in apparently endless space) does not mean we will just believe anything someone says.

NASA shows us ‘space probe images’ of alien spacecraft, tell us they have known and taken images of alien craft in space many times before now, but kept it a secret to not cause worldwide panic and chaos.

Then they present all sorts of images and videos of previous alien craft, they’d hidden from the world, but now they have no choice but to reveal the truth.

They say until now, aliens didn’t concern us as a threat.

But now, there is another alien species from far away, and are a very real threat to Earth, and all life on Earth.

Your heroic and honest astronomers say they’ve seen those evil alien craft in space, too, and show us images of them!!

Don’t tell me you wouldn’t believe all this bs, you’d believe every word of it, right?

When you already believe their claims about Saturn, without a shred of proof for it, denying all of our evidence is valid at all, but you can’t accept they lied, it must be true, we’ve just got to find evidence for it, that’s all!

NASA shows us ‘space probe images’ of alien spacecraft

Stop appealing to your BS fantasy, and stick to reality.
I will not believe your delusional BS.

Saturn

Wrong thread.
And remember, your wilful ignorance of evidence doesn't mean that evidence doesn't exist.

No, I’m saying if this all was from NASA, you’d believe it was true, right?

Why wouldn’t you believe it was true, NASA showed us their ‘proof’ of it!!

That is what’s dangerous about believing this crap is true, without a shred of proof for it.

They can do anything they want to do, and you’ll believe it is true, no matter what it is, and that’s why it’s scary as hell.

What they really want, is to become our Gods, to be worshipped and devotion, our saviours and protectors against all harm, all evils, that wish to destroy Earth and all life on Earth, or wish to enslave us all!