jackblack/candlejack?

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2024, 04:36:25 PM »
Yes, I had access to the mod forum because I was a mod. The mod forum is for moderators. You had access to this forum when you were a mod. Now I have access to a couple more forums, no one posts in them, but they're there for some reason.

I don't think there are any similarities, besides both accts having "jack" in the name. You made all this up yourself. I couldn't inform people of what you are thinking, because I do not have access to your imagination.

There is no "palpable" evidence. You cannot touch it. lol
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2024, 08:29:07 PM »
Conincidentally shody did a showdy about bots talking to bots



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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2024, 11:59:40 PM »
And we are supposed to ignore this?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=68423.msg1838045#msg1838045

And that a third alt, jackschitt, was praising jackblack almost every other message?

Any sensible person would have called himself joeblack, in order not to attract attention to himself just four days after candlejack was creating the controversy on this board. And would have declared from the very start, "I'm not candlejack, in case you are wondering why we are both defending the Coriolis and Sagnac effects with similar arguments".

You had us debate with candlejack's alt, this is what I'm talking about, while we had no idea of what was going on. Moreover, you have been protecting jackblack for all this time ("simply ignore him", "that's debate", pleading with Davis to remove the six month ban). It's one thing to have done this as a personal whim, to simply annoy the FE, quite another knowing what we know now.

Again, access the link above: if we remove the name candlejack, who would you associate that type of fisking and responses with? It's not even a contest.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2024, 06:29:07 AM »
You'll have to show me where I pleaded with John to remove a 6 month ban for jackblack. I don't think he's ever been banned for longer than a week, and I am the one who banned him. Maybe you are confusing him with someone else. I mean, it is possible he was wrongly banned for a long time, but I don't remember it. I would argue for anyone to have their ban removed if I felt it was an overreaction. Even people I don't particularly like.

I have never "had us debate" anyone. You make that choice all on your own. Take control of your own actions.

I accessed the link. There have always been accts that fisk posts. Other than fisking, the actual way they post the words are not similar at all. candlejack is a pervert anime weirdo. Jackblack is an obsessive autist who will argue with anyone he thinks is wrong about something.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2024, 12:22:55 PM »
This is the OP from rockseverywhere:

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I aim to educate people but actively trying to destroy beliefs goes against my morals.

He used the candlejack account to show us what kind of morals he was talking about, and had created a second alt, jackblack, to actively destroy the beliefs that go against his morals.

Yes, everyone is responsbile for getting into a debate, that is not what we are talking about here. We, the FE, were never informed as to what was going on, that information about candlejack was kept deliberately and intentionally away from us. This is the crux of the matter. You think that any of us would have debated jackblack, even for a second, had we known that he was an alt of candlejack?

I am very good in discovering patterns, as you might well know by now, I see deeper and further in those messages of candlejack than you do, and I am telling you that the involvement of both jackblack and candlejack in the same threads (Coriolis and Sagnac among others), their accounts having been created just four days apart, and the language used by both in the responses lead me very quickly to see what is going on. We, the FE, never had the opportunity to make a judgement based on the entire set of facts. And you held that entire set of facts and never had divulged to us.

This is jackblack right here, in action:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=68423.msg1838045#msg1838045

He used that account, candlejack, for his morals and did not push the gas pedal to the maximum; to destroy those who oppose his morals, he used the jackblack account exclusively.

Jackblack was banned for six months by John Davis on the trans issue. Then, you pleaded with John to remove that ban, and he did.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2024, 01:16:36 PM »
If you are so much better at seeing patterns than I am, then why do you think I should have informed you of something I don't see?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2024, 02:50:57 PM »
That's the thing, that you did know. What you have offered as an excuse (70 jacks and the sort) does not stand scrutiny. The similarities between the two users, one an alt of the other, were in plain sight. What you chose not to tell us is the candlejack business. Two accounts which were created just four days apart. Same manner of fisking, not to mention the similar phrases which had been used. How is it possible that you did not observe these things? I repeat, had we known that we were dealing with candlejack's alt, no one would have paid attention to this user.

By the way, why would a pervert anime weirdo develop, all of a sudden, such a marvelous interest in the Coriolis and Sagnac effects, using the same arguments as jackblack? You mean that didn't strike you as odd?

You had a very simple choice: to tell us about the candlejack issue or not. And you chose not to inform us.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2024, 03:06:19 PM »
More proof that they are one and the same.

1. As I said, celestial gears only match observations because they are made up ad hoc. The fact that they match observations doesn't prove anything. What other aspects do they match? I mean, just because they match multiple observations doesn't mean it's not ad hoc.
Also, science started as "ad hoc", true, but all scientists have to prove their claims. And you don't prove them by looking at supposed "effects", but by directly observing the claimed object.
2. Doesn't answer my question.
3. It's you who doesn't know what ad hoc means. It's known that the reason for a certain phenomena is the Coriolis effect and that stars are far away. You say that the Coriolis effect isn't the cause, the celestial gears are. Because you're said that it won't work because the stars are too far away, you just in time insert the assumption (that's what ad hoc means) that they are close to us, to fit your crumbling hypothesis.
4. I don't even know what your point is. There is a tiny, microscopic portion of belief in a fact, and because of it you want us to think about alternatives to the said fact?
Instead of such rambling just do your job and prove that celestial gears are real. I'm still waiting.

A pervert anime weirdo answering in such a manner in the Coriolis thread? Does it make any sense at all? And if it doesn't, this piece of evidence couldn't have been missed.

Here is more of this stuff:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=68423.30

1. No, I gave a pretty clear example of what's not proof, but what's a hypothesis. 'Nuff said.
2. They don't. You just send a signal and measure how much time it takes to get back. As simple as that. There are literally no assumptions required. No space travel, no nothing.
And to say that light doesn't travel in straight lines is just an outright lie, nothing else.
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Someone surely did not do his/her job to make a very basic inference about the identity of these two alts.


Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2024, 05:40:37 PM »
Complaing about 2016???

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2024, 05:49:37 PM »
He is furious about it! Well, he's pretending to be furious.

What I remember about 2016 was Papa Legba flooding the forum with dumb spam every day.
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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2024, 12:29:46 AM »
Complaing about 2016???

You know very well what is going on. Ever since 2016, we have been debating an illegal alt of candlejack and nobody told us about it. To play the inspector Clouseau of forum admin/mods is not an explanation. That is why I have posted so many clues and proofs, so that no one can say "well, we just didn't know".

Why in the world would a pervert anime weirdo all of a sudden develop a love affair with the Coriolis effect? Take a look at the date of the above messages, November 16, 2016, the very day the jackblack account was created. And someone has the nerve to tell me those alts are not the very same? I have struck a deep nerve here, an unbelievable cover up, where this candlejack/jackblack has been protected at all costs, they went to any possible  lengths to allow him to post under the cover of an alt.

How does this work? A pervert posting so many messages in the Coriolis effect thread, using the same arguments like jackblack?

PS We don't know who Legba was, but his messages pale in comparison to what has happened here for the past 8 years.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2024, 12:57:56 AM »
Complaing about 2016???

This

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Also, Candlejack was a pedo. He left because I wouldn't let him post about his sexual attraction to children.

You, I, and everyone else here on this forum have been debating candlejack's alt for the past eight years and nobody (and they knew very well what was going on) told us about it.

A pervert who suddenly can argue about the Coriolis and Sagnac effects, just like we have seen in the above quotes from 2016. That's him right there. Somebody was on the sidelines laughing his/her belly off, while we were debating candlejack's alt.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2024, 03:01:51 AM »
We don't even know how many more alts had been created right at that time. Perhaps he was mocking the FES with those pedo claims, we don't know.

What I know for sure is that jackblack/jackschitt are alts for candlejack. Had we known who we were dealing with, we would have never entered any kind of a debate with this individual here. It was the job of the admin/mods to tell us what was happening. And the obvious clues were right there, in plain view, for all to see. Again, a pervert anime weirdo was arguing the Coriolis effect for nine pages in a row?


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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2024, 08:02:03 AM »
My research indicates the increase in jack alts is exponential.  We could be into the quadrillions by now.
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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2024, 08:25:15 AM »
My research indicates the increase in jack alts is exponential.  We could be into the quadrillions by now.

Do you agree with this?

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Also, Candlejack was a pedo. He left because I wouldn't let him post about his sexual attraction to children.

If yes, you are part of the same network.

If no, then all of us here have had to debate a psychopath for the past eight years on this forum.

You think this is a joke? As a mod you should really be concerned.

Why would a pervert anime weirdo defend the Coriolis effect for nine pages, using the same arguments as jackblack? The quotes given here are more than sufficient to realize that jackblack is an alt of candlejack.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2024, 08:29:03 AM »
Of course I believe that the number jb alts exceeds by the population of the planet by several orders of magnitude.  The logic checks out.
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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2024, 08:36:54 AM »
Of course I believe that the number jb alts exceeds by the population of the planet by several orders of magnitude.  The logic checks out.

So you agree with this:

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Also, Candlejack was a pedo. He left because I wouldn't let him post about his sexual attraction to children.

As I wrote to scg, there is a network here which has been protecting jackblack/candlejack at all costs and any lengths. Now we understand what has been going on this forum.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2024, 09:04:16 AM »
This is no joking matter.

I urge all admin and mods to go the Quarantine section and read the message which had been posted by candlejack, it starts like this:

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Hi. Some of you probably know me, but most do not. I was active on this forum a couple of months ago (maybe even a year) and now returned. I am an RE'er and wanted to do the "coming out". It's important for me because it lets some steam off.

You will be horrified. Now, he might have written that as something to mock the FES with. But we have to go by those words.

Additionally, by his own admission, he had a different account here. Multiple alts. And one of those alts, as we have seen here, is jackblack (account created on November 16, 2016, the very day candlejack was arguing the Coriolis effect and was using the very same arguments which would be used later by jackblack).

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2024, 09:32:05 AM »
Absolutely horrified. Probably won't be able to sleep for a week at least.  Counseling might be needed.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2024, 09:42:27 AM »
I will not post the message here. It is scg's call, if she says it's ok, then she can post it in this thread.

Mark my words, 29silhoutte (by the way, you and I were debating the Piri Reis map years ago, how is it that you have forgotten all this), you'll vomit if you read that thing.

Again, candlejack is admitting to having created multiple accounts way before, I think rockseverywhere is one of them. And on November 16, 2016, he had created also the jackblack user. On that very day, he was debating the Coriolis effect using the same arguments he'd be using later on as jackblack. Using the same fisking style. The same expressions. Why would a pervert anime weirdo defend the Coriolis effect for nine pages in a row?

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2024, 10:04:50 AM »
I don't care if you post candlejack's post. It wasn't quarantined because it was against the rules in some way, but I suspected that he was going to spread his pedo shit all over the forum, then he posted a link to the thread in his signature, etc. I had a conversation in the mod forum with the other mods, and one of them (I think it was Ski) told me I should probably nip that in the bud. It's just not something we want on the forum. I also linked you to the thread in Suggestions and Concerns where he wanted to know what happened to his thread.

Have you given up on convincing everyone that he is also rockseverywhere?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2024, 10:14:54 AM »
There is no way that I am going to post anything like that here.

Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2024, 03:46:27 PM »
Mark my words, 29silhoutte, you'll vomit if you read that thing.
I doubt it.  I'm sure you'll be ok though once you dig some tissue out of your clutch and dry your eyes.

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by the way, you and I were debating the Piri Reis map years ago, how is it that you have forgotten all this
Then why didn't you say anything the last couple times I asked in the upper channels?

Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2024, 05:41:40 PM »
I think Rabinoz could also be a Jackblack/Candlejack account
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Re: jackblack/candlejack?
« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2024, 01:16:06 AM »
Jackblack is an obsessive autist who will argue with anyone he thinks is wrong about something.

Back in 2012 there was a DDoS attack on this forum. I sense that within that group there was someone with that kind of personality, that is where the troubles which had started in 2016 sprang from.

I told you that if you let jb/rab roam free in the upper boards you will no longer have a forum here (back in 2019). And that's exactly what happened. Instead of becoming a beacon of light during the crucial period 2020-2022, the FE forum lost stats heavily. I told you that there would be consequences for not intervening and relegate those two to the lower forums. Had I been a mod back in 2016, I would have recognized immediately the patterns of the alts and would have gotten rid of them at once.


for 29silhoutte

Ask scg to send you a copy of the message, at your own peril.

I said nothing since once I realized that candlejack=jackblack, I could no longer post in those threads anything at all.

for anne

Rab could have lived several more years in good health had he not posted here on this forum. I tried to tell the mods here to have him post in the lower forums only, to spare his remaining faculties which were consumed heavily in those debates, but no one listened to me.