WHY would the government trick us?

What you are asking is a known unknown.

Which is a lie concerning Polaris.  Something that can easily be observed over a period of hours on a clear night.
 
Polaris quite clearly moves over a few hours.











Answer the post in its full context.

It’s pretty simple Bulma.  Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Is it a truth or a lie the offset of Polaris from the northern celestial is known.

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Don't worry. Jack black and Data will stick around to continue trying in vain to refute your arguments, all to no avail. Maybe wasting people's time is your other calling?

Flat earth is debunked, and refuted.  Bulma’s belief in lies doesn’t change that.

The fact that you can procure images does not constitute proof.

Courts of law in this day and age have refused some video footage because it is entirely possible to fake animations. In fact, it would not be difficult to make Polaris move straight sideways if you wanted to.

Which is in fact the point, "If you'd just look at the pictures, you'd be convinced..." No, I'm not. Unless I personally see Polaris move, I will not be convinced. And I'm not interested in this enough to set aside the time involved to find out yes or no. And it makes no difference to me either way, because whether Eric Dubay is right, or Edward Henrie is right, the Earth is still flat.

So, who are you producing your annotated version of the bible for? Or should I say, your redacted version?

Annotated abridged ameliorated Bible.  You're welcome to read it if you want. I'll toss free WIP at you.

It's for any target audience that wants it.

I understand this may be your calling, just like being a Police officer was my calling. But, surely you must be editing the bible for an audience you have in mind?

A calling is different from a job. Everyone knows being a cop can't be a calling. Cuz God hates the police (and gays too, apparently), and wished them to be defunded.

I'm editing it because it needs editing. 2000 years is a long time not to be hit by a spellchecker, historical fact checker, or or other analyst. Not everyone thinks in terms of target audiences. I just understand that unlike Flat Earth satire books (seriously no target audience, cuz you either preaching to the choir about RE, or the FE ppl are annoyed at yet another satire at their expense), there is a target audience of people who are Christian yet are fed up with fundie apocalyptism.

The fact that you can procure images does not constitute proof.

You’re trying to ignore the post in  its full context.  And trying to derail the thread that Eric Dubay is a con and you got suckered into one of his many lies.

Answer the post in its full context.

It’s pretty simple Bulma.  Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Is it a truth or a lie the offset of Polaris from the northern celestial is known.

I'm editing it because it needs editing. 2000 years is a long time not to be hit by a spellchecker, historical fact checker, or or other analyst. Not everyone thinks in terms of target audiences.

Bulma.  You don’t have to derail this thread any longer.

Use.

 People ignorant on latest versions of Bible.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93249.0

It points out there are many updated bibles with different reading levels for different groups and reasons. 

The fact

Now.  Bulma.  Why would the government lie about Polaris circling the northern celestial pole.  When any person can do time lapse of Polaris over the course of the night with a decent camera. Why would the government lie about knowing the offset and publishing that offset for use in correction factors and tables using Polaris to find latitude.  When any decent sailor can check the accuracy of positioning of Polaris. 

I don't need rescuing "from" a cult.

I know. You are quite happy in your pathetic cult, and I have no interest in rescuing you.
I am calling out your pathetic BS.
BS like where you boldly claim "facts" about reality, and then when trying to justify those "facts" you provide a video that shows the exact opposite of your "fact" and then lie about what the video shows.
Then when called out on it, you deflect at all costs and say you don't know and would never claim anything about it; showing how utterly dishonest and pathetic you are.

What you are asking is a known unknown.
Whether I admit to a known unknown or deny it, it is a lie. I do not have that information.

What I am asking for is a known known.
You have the information.
You have the video you provided which you can easily watch and see your blatant lie about it is a pathetic lie.

And here you are yet again, pretending you don't have that information, when you were previously happy to lie to everyone by falsely claiming Polaris is stationary.

All you are doing here is yet again showing everyone how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are. You are showing that when your cult leaders claim something consistent with your cult you are happy to accept it and repeat it as a fact and lie to defend it; but then when called out you make up pathetic excuses.
You are truly pathetic.

Unless I personally see Polaris move, I will not be convinced. And I'm not interested in this enough to set aside the time involved to find out yes or no.

Then admit you lied when you claimed it is stationary.
Or at the very least, admit you stated a claim that you don't know if it is true or false; a claim you stated was a fact.

And vow to never again say anything about if Polaris is stationary or moving.

the Earth is still flat.

Again, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat this pathetic BS, your pathetic cult mantra; Earth remains roughly spherical.
With all the evidence showing it is roughly spherical, with no evidence at all showing it is flat rather than having a radius of roughly 6371 km.

I'm editing it because it needs editing.

No, it doesn't.
It needs discarding as the useless old garbage that it is.

Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS and start owning up to your lies and deception.

Admit that the video YOU PROVIDED clearly shows Polaris is moving.
And admit that you claimed Polaris fixed when you have admitted you don't know. i.e. that you lied to everyone by claiming something that you do not know as a fact.

Until you do, you are demonstrating how pathetic and dishonest you and your cult are.

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No, it doesn't.
It needs discarding as the useless old garbage that it is.

It’s as accurate as any other ancient historical accounts by eyewitnesses.  So every ancient recorded witnessed account concerning actual events should be discarded.

Looking forward to your reply in a thread more on topic as not to detail this one.

People ignorant on latest versions of Bible
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93249.0

It’s as accurate as any other ancient historical accounts by eyewitnesses.  So every ancient recorded witnessed account concerning actual events should be discarded.

For most people, yes.
How often do you see everyday people cite these ancient documents?
How often do you see everyday people try to use these ancient documents as a guide on how to live?
How often do you see everyday people try to use these ancient documents as a description of how the world works or anything of the like?

And of all those cases, how many are appealing to the Bible or other similar religious texts, vs the countless other ancient documents?

But notice that your argument doesn't fully match what I said.
I called it old garbage. That doesn't necessarily mean that everything that is old is garbage.
And I would disagree with the claim that it is as accurate as any other ancient historical account.
The Bible is somewhat unique (along with other similar texts) in how it includes so many elements of fantasy throughout.
Yes, there are other ancient texts which do this, but importantly, there are also plenty that don't.

Looking forward to your reply in a thread more on topic as not to detail this one.

Then start your reply in that thread, not here.

How often do you see everyday people try to use these ancient documents as a guide on how to live?

Do you mean other than the Orthodox Jews, Orthodox Christians or other orthodox sects?  Have you ever heard of keeping Kosher or Halal?

For most people, yes.
How often do you see everyday people cite these ancient documents?
How often do you see everyday people try to use these ancient documents as a guide on how to live?
How often do you see everyday people try to use these ancient documents as a description of how the world works or anything of the like?

And of all those cases, how many are appealing to the Bible or other similar religious texts, vs the countless other ancient documents?

I'm afraid that if you're looking for a strawman fundie Christian type, you're gonna be disappointed. I've read the Tao te Ching, the Kojiki, the Analects of Confucius, the Mahabharata (basically the source material of the Bhagavad Gita), the works of Mencius, and snippets of Buddhism and Hinduism.  Currently reading Dhammapada.

The Analects (Confucius basically handing down meaningless rules), Upanishads (alot of stories that didn't connect with me) and Vedas (what I read was charms and stuff), and many of the Buddhist sutras (meh!) are crap. Mencius is good, Kojiki is pretty good, also recomment Tao te Ching and Mahabharata.

I think the reason you have no use for these "ancient texts" is that you do not understand their historical origin. But what becomes evident from reading between the lines of the Tao te Ching and Mahabharata (and the Bible to a lesser extent) is that at one point there was absolute tyranny. And then there was a war that nearly destroyed the Earth. And then people started over, with various theories on "how to stop humans from fucking killing each other." That's what religion is. A road guide to "could we please have morals and values and stop being nihilistic omnicidal maniacs? K thanks." Noah's story describes nearly universal genetic engineering that almost made legit humans extinct. The Mahabharata describes a warring family using legit nukes ("I have become death, destroyer of worlds," is a direct quote from the Mahabharata). The Tao te Ching indirectly describes hands-off leaders giving way to "righteous" leaders who led kinda to a bad place of moral hypocrisy and violence.

No, people don't use these text as a guide to how to live. There is no king in these days, and everyone does what is right in their own eyes. This is why we are on the brink of Iran or Russia blowing everything up.

I'm afraid that

That you can’t admit to something you thought was false is true.  Because you were brainwashed into a lie.


Now.  Bulma.  Why would the government lie about Polaris circling the northern celestial pole.  When any person can do time lapse of Polaris over the course of the night with a decent camera. Why would the government lie about knowing the offset and publishing that offset for use in correction factors and tables using Polaris to find latitude.  When any decent sailor can check the accuracy of positioning by Polaris.

Answer the post in its full context.

It’s pretty simple Bulma.  Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Is it a truth or a lie the offset of Polaris from the northern celestial is known.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 09, 2025, 12:44:50 PM

I'm editing it because it needs editing. 2000 years is a long time not to be hit by a spellchecker, historical fact checker, or or other analyst. Not everyone thinks in terms of target audiences.

Bulma.  You don’t have to derail this thread any longer.

This is incredibly rich coming from a person who has yet to see that  this thread is very definitely NOT called "Polaris (Moving or Not)." Instead it's called, "WHY would the government trick us?"

It points out there are many updated bibles with different reading levels for different groups and reasons.

Yeah, I have no desire to do someone else's Bible. That's the one thing I'm pretty firm on.

Why would the government lie about... Polaris

You're trying to rope that into topic, but it clearly isn't the topic.

No more derailment hypocrisy.

I've told you repeatedly.

It doesn't matter.

Eric Dubay can't see it move (nor can I).
Edward Henrie mentions it does move, but his FE model continues unimpeded.
I choose to remain agnostic, because even the time wasted repeatedly explaining this to you is less than one night of hours of boring stargazing during the height of bat season, just to verify whether one incredibly steady star moves in a tiny circle, when some FE stargazers are unfazed by it. In winter or late fall, maybe I'd be conducive to this sort of stargazing, but summer? Nah. And the fact that it doesn't matter, and yeah fucking risk of rabies? No. Go fuck yourself.

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Now. Since the Bible is in fact more on topic, since historically Bibles have been a threat to corrupt world governments, we can talk about that if you're not gonna talk about NASA's role in tyrannical states, surveillance, and world poverty.

Or is the reason you keep circling back to Polaris that you can't keep up with discussion about the Bible? Are you biblically illiterate?

But then again, that's kinda the point. If it were about that, it should be moved to the Religion section. So yeah, this post kinda lost the thread awhile ago.

The fact that you can procure images does not constitute proof.

Courts of law in this day and age have refused some video footage because it is entirely possible to fake animations. In fact, it would not be difficult to make Polaris move straight sideways if you wanted to.

Which is in fact the point, "If you'd just look at the pictures, you'd be convinced..." No, I'm not. Unless I personally see Polaris move, I will not be convinced. And I'm not interested in this enough to set aside the time involved to find out yes or no. And it makes no difference to me either way, because whether Eric Dubay is right, or Edward Henrie is right, the Earth is still flat.

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So, who are you producing your annotated version of the bible for? Or should I say, your redacted version?

Annotated abridged ameliorated Bible.  You're welcome to read it if you want. I'll toss free WIP at you.

It's for any target audience that wants it.

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I understand this may be your calling, just like being a Police officer was my calling. But, surely you must be editing the bible for an audience you have in mind?

A calling is different from a job. Everyone knows being a cop can't be a calling. Cuz God hates the police (and gays too, apparently), and wished them to be defunded.

I'm editing it because it needs editing. 2000 years is a long time not to be hit by a spellchecker, historical fact checker, or or other analyst. Not everyone thinks in terms of target audiences. I just understand that unlike Flat Earth satire books (seriously no target audience, cuz you either preaching to the choir about RE, or the FE ppl are annoyed at yet another satire at their expense), there is a target audience of people who are Christian yet are fed up with fundie apocalyptism.

So, which version of the Christian bible is your starting point, before you began corrupting it futher than it is already corrupted? The bible has already been re-written and translated hundreds of times from whatever the original version was.

When I started high school back in 1985, all new students were given a little condensed mini bible containing selected chapters from the New Testament. It was meant as a guide for students to read to help them through different life problems.  It was really good and supplemented my Good News bible. Is this the sort of thing you are doing?

The bible is present in every Court where witnesses can take an oath on the bible. In many ways the bible is a foundation for Western society government and justice system.

So, why would the bible trick us, then? There are no passages in any Christian bible which refer to the Earth being flat. I know, because I've read the bible. So, if the government says Earth is a globe and the bible says earth is a globe, what makes you think they are both tricking us?

"WHY would the government trick us?"

The government publishes and adopts star charts and navigation guides and handbooks.  Especially for the Navy.  Which are adopted by civilians.  Or civilians share with the government.  The accuracy of those are based on the fact the earth is spherical.

One of the things in those guides known a proven repeatedly of that Polaris circles the northern celestial polar.  The off set that Polaris is from the pole to correct for determining one’s latitude by Polaris.  Polaris is a close determinant of one’s latitude based on the earth is spherical.

Answer the post in its full context.

It’s pretty simple Bulma.  Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Is it a truth or a lie the offset of Polaris from the northern celestial is known.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 10, 2025, 02:31:38 AM

"WHY would the government trick us?"

The government publishes and adopts star charts and navigation guides and handbooks.  Especially for the Navy.  Which are adopted by civilians.  Or civilians share with the government.  The accuracy of those are based on the fact the earth is spherical.

One of the things in those guides known a proven repeatedly of that Polaris circles the northern celestial polar.  The off set that Polaris is from the pole to correct for determining one’s latitude by Polaris.  Polaris is a close determinant of one’s latitude based on the earth is spherical.

Answer the post in its full context.

It’s pretty simple Bulma.  Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Is it a truth or a lie the offset of Polaris from the northern celestial is known.

Should Bulma be expected to be in engaged in 4 to 5 separate debates per thread? He has a bible to write!

This forum is impossible to engage in any meaningful one on one debate, when others jump in constantly.

Data does like to reset topics before progress can be made.

It is infuriating.

Data does like to reset topics before progress can be made.

Do you mean progress on the derailments?

Quote from: Themightykabool on August 10, 2025, 08:09:52 AM

Data does like to reset topics before progress can be made.

Do you mean progress on the derailments?

Just any selfinflicted trap where bulma is faced to anserr a straightfroward question but data then chimes in from somethung 20days ago, hough while relevant in general, is currently nonsequitor, and allowing bulma to dodge and shuffle away ito a new journey of obscurity.

 but data

Still living in your head rent free huh.

Funny.  I’m not the common denominator when it comes to threads being detailed.

In fact.  I stated these listed threads to prevent “derailment” or drive home how Bulma fails to address specific shortcomings.

People ignorant on latest versions of Bible.

Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

Sun Photo Used By FE’er Shows FE Hypocrisy

Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

The Size of the Sun the Past Few Days - No Proof Dimensions Shrinks

When Star Constellations Visible Prove RE

If you need Polaris to be Crux your model is debunk.

Photographing the northern celestial sphere.

Themightykabool, all you do is bitch.

Again.  I’m not the common denominator why threads get derailed.

I hate to say it But Smoke Machine put it best.

Quote from: markjo on August 07, 2025, 07:33:15 PM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 07, 2025, 07:09:56 PM

Unfortunately, if a person is too insane, there is nothing that sane people can say to them, to make them sane again.

Kinda like that old saw about wrestling a pig in the mud.  Or, don't argue with a fool because some people won't be able to tell the difference.  And yet here we are. 

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on August 07, 2025, 07:28:13 PM

If Bulma would admit to just being insane, we could all move on.

Trouble is that insane people don't know they're insane.  They think they're normal and everyone else is insane.

Yes, in fact you took the words straight out of my mouth. No insane person thinks they are insane. Take me for example, I would never say anything insane, would I? 

Sometimes a person can become possessed by an idea. Perhaps, the more ridiculous an jdea, the stronger the possession? Well, nothing is more ridiculous than flat earth, is it? I could have said obsessed, but that's a bit dull and not controversial. By saying, possessed instead, it's almost like the idea invades and takes over them, like in that old 80's horror movie "Ghostbusters", where Sigorney Weaver's character is possessed.

Flat Earth is a bit like a demon which has taken over Bulmabriefs soul. It's the flat earth demon we are communicating with now.

I'm afraid the true bulmabriefs is lost to us.

Bulma isn’t ever going to admit they are wrong Themightykabool, no matter what anyone posts.  I think the closest was when Bulma realized there is no way Polaris could be a mirror imagine and a constellation in the southern hemisphere.  Were you apart of that Themightykabool?  I think my thread “If you need Polaris to be Crux your model is debunk” with badgering from others did impact Bulma on how ridiculous they were being.  A bridge too far even for the insanity of FE. 

Added.  It does seem Bulma is now hiding behind the Bible more than ever.  And avoiding the topics of actual threads they are posting in.  Where I have been reluctant to take the Bible bait less than other people have. And created the thread “People ignorant on latest versions of Bible.” to try and prevent further derailment. 

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on August 10, 2025, 04:17:07 AM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 10, 2025, 02:31:38 AM

"WHY would the government trick us?"

The government publishes and adopts star charts and navigation guides and handbooks.  Especially for the Navy.  Which are adopted by civilians.  Or civilians share with the government.  The accuracy of those are based on the fact the earth is spherical.

One of the things in those guides known a proven repeatedly of that Polaris circles the northern celestial polar.  The off set that Polaris is from the pole to correct for determining one’s latitude by Polaris.  Polaris is a close determinant of one’s latitude based on the earth is spherical.

Answer the post in its full context.

It’s pretty simple Bulma.  Is it a truth or a lie that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Is it a truth or a lie the offset of Polaris from the northern celestial is known.

Should Bulma be expected to be in engaged in 4 to 5 separate debates per thread? He has a bible to write!

This forum is impossible to engage in any meaningful one on one debate, when others jump in constantly.

Yeah you guys are fucking with my ADD. Curse you!

Quote from: Themightykabool on August 10, 2025, 10:13:07 AM

 but data

Still living in your head rent free huh.

Funny.  I’m not the common denominator when it comes to threads being detailed.

In fact.  I stated these listed threads to prevent “derailment” or drive home how Bulma fails to address specific shortcomings.

People ignorant on latest versions of Bible.

Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

Sun Photo Used By FE’er Shows FE Hypocrisy

Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

The Size of the Sun the Past Few Days - No Proof Dimensions Shrinks

When Star Constellations Visible Prove RE

If you need Polaris to be Crux your model is debunk.

Photographing the northern celestial sphere.

Themightykabool, all you do is bitch.

Again.  I’m not the common denominator why threads get derailed.

I hate to say it But Smoke Machine put it best.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 07, 2025, 11:18:09 PM

Quote from: markjo on August 07, 2025, 07:33:15 PM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 07, 2025, 07:09:56 PM

Unfortunately, if a person is too insane, there is nothing that sane people can say to them, to make them sane again.

Kinda like that old saw about wrestling a pig in the mud.  Or, don't argue with a fool because some people won't be able to tell the difference.  And yet here we are. 

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on August 07, 2025, 07:28:13 PM

If Bulma would admit to just being insane, we could all move on.

Trouble is that insane people don't know they're insane.  They think they're normal and everyone else is insane.

Yes, in fact you took the words straight out of my mouth. No insane person thinks they are insane. Take me for example, I would never say anything insane, would I? 

Sometimes a person can become possessed by an idea. Perhaps, the more ridiculous an jdea, the stronger the possession? Well, nothing is more ridiculous than flat earth, is it? I could have said obsessed, but that's a bit dull and not controversial. By saying, possessed instead, it's almost like the idea invades and takes over them, like in that old 80's horror movie "Ghostbusters", where Sigorney Weaver's character is possessed.

Flat Earth is a bit like a demon which has taken over Bulmabriefs soul. It's the flat earth demon we are communicating with now.

I'm afraid the true bulmabriefs is lost to us.

Bulma isn’t ever going to admit they are wrong Themightykabool, no matter what anyone posts.  I think the closest was when Bulma realized there is no way Polaris could be a mirror imagine and a constellation in the southern hemisphere.  Were you apart of that Themightykabool?  I think my thread “If you need Polaris to be Crux your model is debunk” with badgering from others did impact Bulma on how ridiculous they were being.  A bridge too far even for the insanity of FE. 

Added.  It does seem Bulma is now hiding behind the Bible more than ever.  And avoiding the topics of actual threads they are posting in.  Where I have been reluctant to take the Bible bait less than other people have. And created the thread “People ignorant on latest versions of Bible.” to try and prevent further derailment.

rent free would be if i brought you up without any reason to.
but there was a reason
you did the thing that actively brings me up to comment.


moron.


just like when turbo disputes how triangles work, i ask him about the angle between segements
similarly to how YOU birng up a straight edge to a silo.
except WHEN I DO IT it's in conversational context, which you seem to live outside space-time continuums.


because you're either a timetraveling motherfucker where everthing is everthingwhere and all at once or some multiverse nonense...

or a conversational debating moron.





which is it?





taht granted
i have the same problem
and i try to accept it when people call me out on nonsequiting.
but you,
you're a special kind of stubborn.
a jackB kind of stubborn maybe - hA!
so "rent free" is more conducize of your spectacular knack of rehashing abandoned thoughts!
amazing eh?!

fuking idiot.



and it is correct
as per smoke, the turbo or sceppy or that other guy i froget his name but his face is so dumb - won't admit
and that's where you can call them out.
and not letting them, in that instance escape, is the biggest tell they are aknowlediging their misconceptions but too ego'd to repent.



are you?
too ego'd?
to repent?

moron.

Posts the person that keeps detailing threads to claim I’m the one derailing threads where I was avoiding Bulma’s latest crutch on the Bible to derail threads.  And stated  a Bible thread to keep other threads from being derailed.

And now Themightykabool posts, and the thread is again derailed.

Sorry everyone else just ignores you.


😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Quote from: JackBlack on August 09, 2025, 03:42:46 PM

How often do you see everyday people try to use these ancient documents as a guide on how to live?

Do you mean other than the Orthodox Jews, Orthodox Christians or other orthodox sects?  Have you ever heard of keeping Kosher or Halal?

And did you notice the rest of what I said?

And of all those cases, how many are appealing to the Bible or other similar religious texts, vs the countless other ancient documents?

You have these groups of people, treating the vast majority of ancient documents as irrelevant and just cherry picking a few that they want to live by.

The point you were trying to make would require that these people do not treat these specific texts as so special.

So my point still stands. The Bible doesn't need editing, it needs discarding as the old garbage that it is.

 The Bible doesn't need editing, it needs discarding as the old garbage that it is.

And yet it’s part of history and the progress of law.


Is this verse useless?

Samuel's Warning Against Kings

10 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking for a king from him. 11 He said, “These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants. 15 He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and to his servants. 16 He will take your male servants and female servants and the best of your young men[a] and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves. 18 And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%208%3A10-22&version=ESV

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When the Righteous Rule: Proverbs 29:2 and the Character of a Godly Magistrate Get access  Arrow
Daniel L. Dreisbach
https://doi.org/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199987931.003.0011
Pages  166–185
Published:  January 2017

https://academic.oup.com/book/12706/chapter-abstract/162752314?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Abstract
In the New England election sermons of the American founding era, few topics commanded more attention and analysis than the qualifications for and duties of a righteous civil magistrate. And no biblical text excited greater interest in, or was more frequently referenced in the commentaries on, this topic than Proverbs 29:2: “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” A commonplace axiom held by eighteenth-century Americans was that national prosperity and political happiness were directly related to the moral character of a nation’s civil rulers. This chapter examines uses of Proverbs 29:2 in the founding era, as well as uses of biblical texts, such as Exodus 18:21, which many Americans thought described the characteristics of a righteous civil magistrate. These texts were thought to offer insights into the qualifications for and duties of civil rulers.

I'm afraid that if you're looking for a strawman fundie Christian type

We get key elements of that with you, where you reject reality and then proceed to blatantly lie to everyone to pretend your delusional BS is true, and then refuse to own up to your lies.

Sure, there is always the question of which parts this crazy fundy will cherry pick to claim must be true, while ignoring the parts they don't like.
But that doesn't exclude you.

This is incredibly rich coming from a person who has yet to see that  this thread is ... called, "WHY would the government trick us?"

And as you have repeatedly demonstrated, it isn't the government lying. It is lying FE scum like you.
Scum, that needs to provide videos and blatnatly lie about what the video shows so you can pretend your delusional fantasy is true.
Scum, that when called out on those lies, tried to hide behind pathetic BS like claiming you don't know and so wouldn't say anything about it and doing so would be a lie; even after repeatedly asserting pure BS on that topic as fact.

I've told you repeatedly.

It doesn't matter.

And yet your actions, and your quotes clearly demonstrate it does.
You were desperate for it to be magically fixed in place, so you can dismiss the south celestial pole as not equivalent, even though that pathetic BS doesn't matter.

It mattered to you so much, that you provided a video and repeatedly lied about it, doubling down on those pathetic, obvious lies, and deflecting away from the refutation of your lies.

Again, if you truly thought it didn't matter, then you would have never presented the north pole as so different because Polaris allegedly is magically fixed.
Again, if you truly thought it didn't matter, then you wouldn't have blatantly lied about the video, and when your pathetic lies were called out, you would have simply admitted you were mistaken.

And now, if you truly thought it didn't matter, you would admit those videos you appealed to, as well as countless other examples, clearly show Polaris does appear to move; and admit you were wrong or had blatantly lied about these videos repeatedly.

But you can't bring yourself to do that.
Because then your fantasy comes crashing down; because to YOU, it is very important that Polaris doesn't move, so your north celestial pole is special.


Again, if you want to say it doesn't matter, then prove it. Admit you have lied. Admit you repeatedly falsely claimed a video shows it stationary when the video clearly shows the relative motion of Polaris.

Can you do that?

Funny.  I’m not the common denominator when it comes to threads being detailed.

Like it was explained last time, no one is saying you are the common denominator, just that you are actively derailing threads.

Where I have been reluctant to take the Bible bait less than other people have. And created the thread “People ignorant on latest versions of Bible.” to try and prevent further derailment.

No, you clearly took the bait, and went to try to defend your crappy book, as you are still doing.

Is this verse useless?

Yes. It is useless garbage, where any good product of it can be achieved from other sources, without the horrible religious baggage that comes with it.
And note what that horrible baggage is, that Kings are bad, so you should treat God as your king, and just blindly obey an evil POS.

No, you clearly took the bait, and went to try to defend your crappy book, as you are still doing.

Where you are posting about the Bible in this thread? And derailing the thread to post I’m derailing the thread?


If you want an example of Hypocrisy, just look in the mirror.

Are you guys really this clueless?  Seriously.  You are bad as flat earthers. 

and just blindly obey an evil POS.

This is evil and worthless?

 

Matthew 19:21 ►
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Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”


https://biblehub.com/matthew/19-21.htm

What do you treasure up in your heart Jack?  Calling people POS until it’s a cliche and meaningless? 

Quote from: JackBlack on August 12, 2025, 03:55:10 PM

No, you clearly took the bait, and went to try to defend your crappy book, as you are still doing.

Where you are posting about the Bible in this thread?

Why are you?
I have only done it in response to others.

If you want an example of Hypocrisy, just look in the mirror.
Are you guys really this clueless?  Seriously.  You are bad as flat earthers.

Follow your own advice.
YOU are just as bad as flat Earthers.
Especially with how you cling to pathetic BS with no evidence at all and lie to everyone about it to try to justify it.

And you have derailed threads far more than I have.