WHY would the government trick us?

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1770 on: July 23, 2025, 08:06:43 AM »

No, Polaris doesn't matter.


Then why lie about Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Just admit you’re wrong Bulma.

You can’t because it shows you are brainwashed.  And where you claim Bulma you only believe what can be proven is a lying statement by you.

You got caught in a pathological lie.  This goes away when you admit Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.  If it doesn’t matter, why deny in reality Polaris circles the northern celestial pole, and that offset is used by astronomers and astrophotographers. 

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1771 on: July 23, 2025, 12:26:45 PM »

No, Polaris doesn't matter.


Then why lie about Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Just admit you’re wrong Bulma.
You’re a dog with a bone, aren’t you?
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1772 on: July 23, 2025, 01:47:23 PM »

No, Polaris doesn't matter.


Then why lie about Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Just admit you’re wrong Bulma.
You’re a dog with a bone, aren’t you?

Why would a person get a pass for deliberately lying.  Especially when they claim they believe science and what can be proven.  Where there would have to be a coordinated effort in hiding Polaris supposedly is fixed, static, and sits on the northern celestial pole.

Rather me derail the thread about blondes or some BS.


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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1773 on: July 23, 2025, 01:52:20 PM »
FE'ers (including Bulma) are arrogantly and unapologetically wrong about just about everything in a lot of threads.  What makes you think that you're ever going to change their minds about anything?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #1774 on: July 23, 2025, 02:02:23 PM »
FE'ers (including Bulma) are arrogantly and unapologetically wrong about just about everything in a lot of threads.  What makes you think that you're ever going to change their minds about anything?

They don’t have to change their minds about anything when they are caught deliberately lying on something they provided that can be replicated by someone with some basic camera equipment and willing to invest some time.

Added..  It speaks for itself. 
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1775 on: July 23, 2025, 03:50:38 PM »
No, Polaris doesn't matter.
Again, you made it matter.
You were the one who decided to bring it here to demonstrate alleged dishonesty on the part of REers, yet all you did is show your own dishonesty.
So for the subject of this thread, it isn't the government lying to us about the shape of Earth, it is pathetic, lying, subhuman POS like you lying to us.

If you want to move on, admit you are a pathetic, lying POS who repeatedly lied to everyone and after having it repeatedly called out and you run out of excuses you then try to flee to a different issue.

[more pathetic deflection]

You sure do love running away don't you?

Yet again demonstrating just how dishonset and/or delusional you are.
Still completely incapable of facing the fact you repeatedly lied to everyone.
Still not having the decency to apologise for repeatedly lying or even admitting you did.
Still wanting to run away at all costs.
Truly pathetic.

Again, here it is:

From 7 to 21 seconds.
The period of time where YOU claim it shows Polaris as stationary.
Yet we clearly see when the loop completes and it goes back to the start, Polaris moves down (and a bit to the side).

This puts you in the position of claiming something you admit is impossible.
You claim this footage shows Polaris stationary only to jump down when the loop completes.
Yet you admit that is impossible.
There is no way for Polaris to be stationary the entire time and just jump downwards to complete the loop.
This shows Polaris is moving in the footage where you claim it is stationary.

Going to admit to your lie yet?
Or going to continue to demonstrate to everyone how pathetic and dishonest you are?

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1776 on: July 23, 2025, 11:46:11 PM »
I'm pretty sure that the earth is a globe, but I want to understand Flat Earth a little more.
Heard that y'all think the government is hiding stuff from us.
My question is: Why would they do that? What's the incentive?
"What’s the NASA’s rationale for paying elderly trolls (60+ years old, online 7.5 days a week) $10K a month to silence opposition?".

"The logic remains unchanged: NASA’s active resistance here serves as undeniable evidence of their fear toward what might be revealed."

He (somebody) is a troll homo playing role of girl.

(Look at the date)

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« Reply #1777 on: July 24, 2025, 03:05:44 AM »
I'm pretty sure that the earth is a globe, but I want to understand Flat Earth a little more.
Heard that y'all think the government is hiding stuff from us.
My question is: Why would they do that? What's the incentive?
"What’s the NASA’s rationale for paying elderly trolls (60+ years old, online 7.5 days a week) $10K a month to silence opposition?".

"The logic remains unchanged: NASA’s active resistance here serves as undeniable evidence of their fear toward what might be revealed."

Funny.  I don’t need NASA to tell me the shape of the earth.  I can just use the sun and dip of the horizon.

So why do people of flat earth use lies to try to create a counter culture based on lies? 

Knowing the earth is round and how celestial navigation works can save your ass if lost at sea.  The FE counterculture based on lives isn’t going to do crap to save you. 

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1778 on: July 24, 2025, 03:34:25 AM »
"What’s the NASA’s rationale for paying elderly trolls (60+ years old, online 7.5 days a week) $10K a month to silence opposition?".
There is none.
That is just your desperation showing.

NASA’s active resistance here
Where?
You are yet to show any.
Notice how circular your BS is?
You deseperately need to claim people are NASA shills, to pretend people are NASA shills.

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1779 on: July 24, 2025, 04:23:07 AM »

No, Polaris doesn't matter.


Then why lie about Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Just admit you’re wrong Bulma.
You’re a dog with a bone, aren’t you?

Someone is, yes.

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FE'ers (including Bulma) are arrogantly and unapologetically wrong about just about everything in a lot of threads.  What makes you think that you're ever going to change their minds about anything?

Pretty much. But his ego would have him force me to admit that I am wrong, even if "Look it doesn't matter" works for anyone else.

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"What’s the NASA’s rationale for paying elderly trolls (60+ years old, online 7.5 days a week) $10K a month to silence opposition?".

"The logic remains unchanged: NASA’s active resistance here serves as undeniable evidence of their fear toward what might be revealed."

Whatever secrets are hid will come to light.

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1780 on: July 24, 2025, 05:48:30 AM »
I'm pretty sure that the earth is a globe, but I want to understand Flat Earth a little more.
Heard that y'all think the government is hiding stuff from us.
My question is: Why would they do that? What's the incentive?
"What’s the NASA’s rationale for paying elderly trolls (60+ years old, online 7.5 days a week) $10K a month to silence opposition?".

"The logic remains unchanged: NASA’s active resistance here serves as undeniable evidence of their fear toward what might be revealed."

Funny.  I don’t need NASA to tell me the shape of the earth.  I can just use the sun and dip of the horizon.

So why do people of flat earth use lies to try to create a counter culture based on lies? 

Knowing the earth is round and how celestial navigation works can save your ass if lost at sea.  The FE counterculture based on lives isn’t going to do crap to save you.

Actually, a star chart won't do crap for you. Using a map, remembering your heading, adjusting for winds, and drawing a line consistently, day after day is how one keeps from being lost in the first place.

If Polaris is not a fixed center, it is worthless as a landmark.

Just as the the dip of the Earth, as you put it creates a complication  to simply charting a course.  You would need to use a globe just to navigate, as a simple map would not account for the curves. Instead, the trusted method of navigation is a simple flat map. For the northern hemisphere and equator, this works perfectly well.
 Eric Dubay notes in how video about the South Pole that ships in the southern hemisphere routinely find themselves out of harmony with the chart. Instead of maybe thinking that the southern hemisphere is wider than the north (as it would be on a flat Earth), they attribute this to currents even in cases where there was no current all day and night.

Skip to about 10 or 11 minutes in.

Eric Dubay is not a messiah or an infallible human. He wrongly stated that the Challenger wrecked in 1845. There were five Challengers (1806, 1813, 1826, 1845, 1858). The one in 1845 was never built. However, the one in 1826 wrecked in 1835 off the coast of Chile.

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Investigation revealed that a powerful current had pushed Challenger onshore at Molfguilla, FitzRoy later suggested that the earthquake had changed ocean current patterns.

Anything but admit you might have been taught incorrect knowledge. "An earthquake changed the currents." Off reckoning? Me? No I'm an accomplished sailor! That would be a disgrace!
It's not your fault. It's your teacher's fault for telling you a lie that literally almost cost you your life.

Pascal's Wager is in full effect. If I am wrong, I will be more than happy to admit there is no problem using a globe for navigation. However, if I am right, sailors have senselessly lost their lives over the years because maps didn't reflect a wider southern hemisphere, and ships ran aground.
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1781 on: July 24, 2025, 05:59:53 AM »
If Polaris is not a fixed center, it is worthless as a landmark.



Bulma,

Q:  why is the N star used as a guiding light?

A:  because it's mostly always consistently in the same spot throughout the night where you can't see and especially when you're at sea and have no other land marks to go by.

follow up Q:  so if it has an impercievable wobble that is only seen when timelapsed video/ photography is used, how does that change it's function for navigation?

A:  [for bulma to insert answer here]_________________.



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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1782 on: July 24, 2025, 01:29:59 PM »
But his ego would have him force me to admit that I am wrong
More getting you to own up to your pathetic lies.

Something which is apparently so crucial to your worldview you can't admit that you were wrong and repeatedly lied to everyone.

If Polaris is not a fixed center, it is worthless as a landmark.
Then deal with the fact that the video you provided clearly shows it moving.

Pascal's Wager is in full effect. If I am wrong, I will be more than happy to admit
You have shown you are not.

You have shown you will just repeat the same pathetic lies again and again and then flee from them and do whatever you can to change the subject.
You have shown one thing you will basically never do is admit you are wrong.

If you were going to admit you were wrong, you would have admitted the video shows you lied to everyone and that the video shows Polaris moves.
But now you do whatever you can to avoid that.

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1783 on: July 24, 2025, 02:55:49 PM »
But his ego would have him force me to admit that I am wrong
More getting you to own up to your pathetic lies.
Isn't it pretty obvious by now that it's never going to happen?  Again, Poe's law: it's impossible to tell the difference between a true believer and a dedicated troll.  Personally, I'm going with dedicate troll.  Either way, they'll never admit that they're wrong or they lied (it's not a lie if you believe it).
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1784 on: July 24, 2025, 06:28:41 PM »

If Polaris is not a fixed center, it is worthless as a landmark.


It works because the offset is off less than a degree from the northern celestial pole.  Well within the error of a hand held and manual sextant.  Again.  Aligning to Polaris is less accurate for astrophotography than aligning to the actual northern celestial pole for eliminating blurring and star trails.

Did a time lapse last night / early this morning off 461 shots to produce this gif and star trailer photo.  The battery lasted about 4 hours. 

Canon R100. 85mm lens. 





Yeap.  Polaris still circles the northern celestial pole. 
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1785 on: July 25, 2025, 03:49:25 AM »
And now you've even moved it off center as part of the circle.

Total fucking dishonesty.



You can conceivably say this is Polaris.







Though this is closer to the actual reality of things.

But no, you fudged it to the next circle.

Never mind trying to get me to admit I'm wrong, when you going to stop lying to everyone else. When I actually am wrong, I admit I'm wrong, and I adjust. You've in fact seen me do it. But you? You double down on your lies.

That's disgusting.

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1786 on: July 25, 2025, 04:31:06 AM »
But his ego would have him force me to admit that I am wrong
More getting you to own up to your pathetic lies.
Isn't it pretty obvious by now that it's never going to happen?  Again, Poe's law: it's impossible to tell the difference between a true believer and a dedicated troll.  Personally, I'm going with dedicate troll.  Either way, they'll never admit that they're wrong or they lied (it's not a lie if you believe it).

Isn't it obvious that you're wrong about that?

Now, I do have have moments when I troll people about certain subjects. If I start pulling out memes, I'm being only half serious.

But yeah, I kinda do really believe this stuff. I know, I know, it astounds you people. How could I do it? Well it's simple.
Poe's Law isn't any good. Students of the English language can usually tell sarcasm from context, and although there are instances of being unclear, if you can't tell the difference between a troll and someone who actually believes in something, the problem is you. You're autistic and can't recognize tone of conversation.

"But why? How can someone believe that?" you ask. It's simple. I was willing to entertain the idea back when I only was skeptical of RE. Then I saw the same sort of phenomenon that I'd seen for years when people would give disclaimers about how harmless cigarettes (no really!) or HF corn syrup or trans fats were.

"The FDA has concluded that Round Earth Theory is fine in moderation when taken as part of an active lifestyle." Suuuuuure.

You are the reason I am a flat Earther.

I am a person with undiagnosed schizoid tendencies. I would prefer nothing more than not to socialize (but amazingly, like the North Star, people sometimes center around me for some reason). Not that I'm antisocial or a creepy psycho killer type, but that I'd be mostly happy if it was me and a girl that I liked on and island, and she could row to the mainland if she wants, but I kinda never would.
One of the things that plagues my existence is that people like me frequently get bothered by narcissists. So I can spot an asshole I mile off.
If I had not seen such concerted attempt to manipulate or proselytize FE ppl, by now I would have been bored by the idea. Like "Maybe Earth is Flat, but why does it matter?" Well it matters because of the people who are round Earthers. As long as there are people who row to a remote island because they can't stand the thought that someone out there believes the sun revolves around the Earth and the Earth is flat, nobody is able to have peace and quiet.

There's a Ben Stein movie called Expelled, where he basically talks about how teachers of intelligent design are shut out of most classrooms. In most libraries, you would likewise have trouble finding any of Eric Dubay's works, even though librarians should be neutral with regard to knowledge. And in most archaeology programs, if you doubt the existence of dinosaurs, you're probably out. Blacklisting or harassing people for their beliefs isn't the sort of society I want.
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1787 on: July 25, 2025, 04:55:51 AM »
And now you've even moved it off center as part of the circle.
Total fucking dishonesty.
That certainly sums you up, including that statement just then.
You have NOTHING to support your lie that Polaris should be at the centre.
You have nothing to show anyone has moved it off the centre.

Though this is closer to the actual reality of things.
No, that is just less time.
And Polaris still isn't at the centre.

when you going to stop lying to everyone else
The only one shown to be a liar here, is YOU!
You have repeatedly lied.

When I actually am wrong, I admit I'm wrong
Then why have you kept on lying?
You have been directly caught in a lie and you refuse to admit it.
Instead you do whatever you can to deflect.

The vast majority of the time you are wrong, you just deflect, and refuse to admit you are wrong.
There are only very few occasions you admit you are wrong, and even then you still try to do it in a way to get out of being wrong, and only after it is repeatedly explained why you are wrong.
And then you hold them up as if it means you will always do that, when your actions clearly show you don't.

If you want to show everyone that you will admit you are wrong, then do so.
Once more, this clearly shows you have been lying to everyone, and that in the video you claimed that Polaris remains stationary, Polaris is clearly seen to move:

So if you want to admit when you are wrong, then admit it.
Admit the video clearly shows Polaris moving.
Admit you repeatedly lied when you falsely claimed it was stationary.
Until you do, you are just further demonstrating your dishonesty.

That's disgusting.
You most certainly are.

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1788 on: July 25, 2025, 06:12:06 AM »

Eric Dubay and the intelligent design crew are not being suppressed by an anti-truth society any more than astrologers or unicorn hunters.

It’s telling that your research seems to be internet based and not hands on observation of say the night sky or fossil hunting, both things are simple, interesting hobbies that to me, with minimal outlay, can provide evidence that things are as they seem.

I found a wonderful fossilised sea urchin when I was nine, and since then have searched all over wherever I go on holiday from Scotland to the Mediterranean, I have leaves oysters, ammonites from beaches and cliffs, and seen the difference in elevation of the constellations from Italy to Iceland, all inline with the age and shape of the world as we understand it.
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1789 on: July 25, 2025, 08:01:23 AM »
As long as there are people who row to a remote island because they can't stand the thought that someone out there believes the sun revolves around the Earth and the Earth is flat, nobody is able to have peace and quiet.
There is a reason why FE was abandoned thousands of years ago.  It simply doesn’t work.  In this global economy, there is no way to design an FE model that matches real world observations without invoking magic.  RE geocentrism was a much harder nut to crack because it does match many (but not all) real world observations, like the sun appearing to revolve around the earth.  The only way that I can see someone genuinely clinging to FE is to be a contrarian just for the sake of being a contrarian. 
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1790 on: July 25, 2025, 10:46:48 AM »
And now you've even moved it off center as part of the circle.

Total fucking dishonesty.


Added..

From the person that posed this?

To answer the OP question, when society pushes too hard to have everyone agree, ideas that the mainstream considers fringe appear.


So I framed the picture as I saw fit and the person that is bitching about “society pushes too hard to have everyone agree” has a $hit fit because I don’t meet their preconceived expectations?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

How is framing the series of shots how I choose so part of the tree is in the lower right hand corner as reference to show I didn’t move the camera during the 461 photos each being a 30 second exposure to create the time lapse dishonest?  Where the time lapse shows Polaris moves over time?



Where I used the same photos seen in the time lapse to render the star trails?



Yeap.  Polaris still circles the northern celestial pole.

Bulma.  To continue to believe the lie Polaris is fixed, static, and sits on the northern celestial pole is to be brainwashed. 
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« Reply #1791 on: July 25, 2025, 01:54:33 PM »
  (it's not a lie if you believe it).


Really?


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« Reply #1792 on: July 25, 2025, 03:39:32 PM »
Physics doesn’t really care what you believe.
There's a difference between lying and being wrong.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1793 on: July 25, 2025, 04:01:28 PM »
Physics doesn’t really care what you believe.
There's a difference between lying and being wrong.

Either way a lie can kill yeah.

Maybe big tobacco really really believe their products weren’t killing people any why they disregarded studies that showed otherwise.  Like how flat earther’s disregard studies the earth is spherical? 

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« Reply #1794 on: July 25, 2025, 07:34:56 PM »
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There is a reason why FE was abandoned thousands of years ago.  It simply doesn’t work.

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Physics doesn’t really care what you believe.

There's a difference between lying and being wrong.

Could have said it better myself. So are you lying, or just wrong.



FE was not abandoned thousands of years ago. Every couple hundred years, some RE crank would come along, and the public might be convinced for a century. Then a flat Earth resurgence happened, and RE was put to bed again. I'm sure you'd like to think Eratosthenes established RE, and then there was an unbroken line of round Earthers after that, but the logic is not on your side.  Kepler's own mentor was Flat Earther.

By the way, to make the night sky square with what FE ppl correctly see as moving objects, the model has to literally reverse all motion in the entire sky. If you're literally reversing what people see to make your model move, you're already debunked.

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/

Polaris moves, Polaris doesn't move, Polaris wobbles but doesn't move, so what?  At least my model doesn't have Kochab staying put while a circle around it spins. You have a model here where the Earth kinda moves into the stars, while your own videos show the stars moving.
I can stick my finger in place, and neither Polaris nor Arcturus no Vega nor Altair will move, only the circle.
(At least according to this model)
 
Meanwhile, you can watch any star time lapse, and it is legit impossible to pin any star with your finger (aside from Polaris with anything larger than maybe a pinky). The stars are moving, not the Earth.

Fucking stupid. Their times and dates are right. But when they start editorializing about the shape of the Earth, this is when it falls apart.
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1795 on: July 25, 2025, 09:01:57 PM »
FE was not abandoned thousands of years ago. Every couple hundred years, some RE crank would come along, and the public might be convinced for a century. Then a flat Earth resurgence happened, and RE was put to bed again.
Do tell, please let us know about these FE resurgences and RE being put to bed.

I'm sure you'd like to think Eratosthenes established RE...
No, I wouldn't like to think that because RE was established some time before before Eratosthenes.  He did, however, help refine it somewhat.

...and then there was an unbroken line of round Earthers after that, but the logic is not on your side.  Kepler's own mentor was Flat Earther.
Oh?  Citation please.  Not sure which mentor you're referring to, but Michael Maestlin wrote books about the Ptolemaic geocentric model.  Tycho Brahe came up with his own geocentric model.  Either way, both were round earth geocentric models.  Kepler, on the other hand, was able to use Brahe's records of planetary observations and see that the data fit a heliocentric model better.

Meanwhile, you can watch any star time lapse, and it is legit impossible to pin any star with your finger (aside from Polaris with anything larger than maybe a pinky). The stars are moving, not the Earth.
That's why I say that RE geocentrism works a lot better than FE geocentrism.  FE falls apart when you look at star trails at the equator and in the southern hemisphere.
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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1796 on: July 26, 2025, 03:58:29 AM »
 
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That's why I say that RE geocentrism works a lot better than FE geocentrism.  FE falls apart when you look at star trails at the equator and in the southern hemisphere.

(Picture below)

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Thank you for proving the flat Earth. Couldn't have done it without you.

You foolishly think this proves your argument, but  it shows something quite different.




Like you, they think they have proven something. Oh no, the sky moves in opposite directions. Whatever shall we do?

Let's go back to the picture in question.



Look to the left and you can see a center. You can see a bullseye-like dot, correct? And I'm sure you're imagining drawing a circle in between two concentric circles like so.


And you probably stopped there, didn't you?

After all, Occam's Razor is (for once) on your side. Unlike where you reverse the entire motion of the stars to simulate Earth's supposed orbit which is not seen nor felt.
Even so, the lack of any center star in the southern hemisphere should give you pause. But no, of course it doesn't. Because what I'm gonna say next won't make any sense to you.



If you can't read my writing that says, «Objects in the sky sink due to distance (vanishing pt)» and «Two circles is the brain's attempt to reconcile an impossibly large circle using vanishing point»

You mentioned that you could see this image from the equator and southern hemisphere. But I noticed that you didn't mention anything about the northern hemisphere, did you? This is because the sky visually compresses in the southern hemisphere, allowing a few stars over a wide space to appear as a circle. But like the sun which has set, the stars in the southern... (strictly speaking, I should probably start calling this "outer") in the outer hemisphere cannot be seen as easily. The equator acts as a visual separator so the northern hemisphere has trouble seeing southern stars.

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Some southern stars and constellations, like the Southern Cross, can be seen from the Northern Hemisphere, but only from specific southern locations, such as southern Florida or Texas, and during certain times of the year. Generally, the visibility of southern stars decreases the further north you are.

What did I say earlier?
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Objects in the sky sink due to distance (vanishing pt)



Now this is poorly drawn but the point here is that the further outward you get, the lower (and higher) a particular southern constellation is in the sky, creating angular distortion.

It is particularly telling that they mentioned that this only happens during certain times of year. When I ask about northern stars in the southern hemisphere, I get doubletalk despite that you say you could see all this also in the southern hemisphere.

NASA says you can't see Polaris at all from southern hemisphere. But when I mention "farthest south Polaris can be seen," they say just south of the equator under ideal conditions. Either this is a very good picture, or it's a composite. But I'm not gonna call you out on  it. Because, you see, the reason you see two sets of stars is because you are seeing a full circle (half sunk into the ground due the angle and distance) of the northern hemisphere but actually only seeing a partial circle for the outer hemisphere, and your brain is closing the gap.





Now I think he made this circle too big, but the point is, the Southern Cross would have to be northern of its supposed position to be seen from Texas. Basically his point and mine is that there is a difference between visual and actual stars. In the equator, some stars appear to go up and down. Do stars actually go into or out of the Earth? No, that's an absurdity. Rather our view of the stars is based on screwy angles.

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1797 on: July 26, 2025, 05:01:12 AM »

Thank you

For butchering RE to so how stupid FE. 

Where you have to contradict yourself.

What happens when stars visually combine because they are close together?

Are you this stupid.

Polaris is a star in the northern hemisphere that is basically sitting in line with the northern celestial pole.

A star that doesn’t dim as one travels south.  Once far enough south across the equator Polaris is physically blocked from view by the horizon to the north. 

As you travel south, Polaris gets lower on the northern horizon.  Crux a constellation rising above the southern hemisphere to the south is rising in the south as you travel south as Polaris gets lower in the sky to the north.  Crux is a constellation that points where one has to “look” more south to locate the southern celestial pole. 



And not this..






No one uses Sigma Octatntis to navigate to the supposed south pole.

I've ignored nothing, but I am going to start now by ignoring your stupid bullshit.

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You keep trying to change the subject with basically lying how navigation in the southern hemisphere works with a sextant.  It’s not based off the celestial South Pole for the southern hemisphere where Polaris isn’t visible because of the earth’s curvature? 

How to find the celestial South Pole makes sense on a globe / sphere.






The celestial South Pole is meaningless on a flat earth





The reason this works at predicting the night sky for people in Australia, South America, and Africa




Is because when people in South America, Australia, and look south they are looking in the same relative direction and at the very same south celestial that all the starts in the southern hemisphere seems to relatively rotate around.

There isn’t fragmented and individual celestial poles scattered half hazardously about the southern hemisphere.  There is one southern celestial pole with one point the stars of the southern hemisphere rotate about.  That’s why celestial navigation works.  Why celestial south has meaning and is the same relative direction for people in the southern hemisphere.



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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1798 on: July 26, 2025, 05:09:26 AM »


NASA says you can't see Polaris at all from southern hemisphere.

It’s not NSAS it’s about any individual that studies the night sky in person that has experience both hemispheres at night.
 

I’ve been to Australia. Not only was Polaris no visible, but many of the stars that circle relatively close to the northern celestial pole.

By the way..



Where I used the same photos seen in the time lapse to render the star trails?



Yeap.  Polaris still circles the northern celestial pole.

Bulma.  To continue to believe the lie Polaris is fixed, static, and sits on the northern celestial pole is to be brainwashed. 

  Bulma.  You are what?  Brainwashed into two or three lies now.  Where I’ve been in Australia.  Seen that you can’t see the northern celestial pole, you can’t see Polaris, you can’t see the stars that are relatively close to the northern celestial pole, practiced why celestial south has meaning where it would be useless on a FE, and can prove Polaris circles the northern celestial pole where astrophotographers make use of the measurable offset.

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Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #1799 on: July 26, 2025, 05:38:50 AM »

You foolishly think this proves your argument,

Bulma.  FE fails at every turn.




Even the directions east and west lose meaning.

In reality, you can’t travel a straight line in just any direction and end up at the supposed ice wall.

Going straight out of California perpendicular to the coast maintain west by airplane will never get you to an ice wall.  Going north leads you to the North Pole, where you have to then travel south to get to Antarctica.  Where sailing around Antarctica wouldn’t be like anything sailing the supposed large outer disc of a FE.  Where the sun would have to rise from the north or south for many places on the equinox.  Where the distances and relative directions for somebody traveling by relatively slow by ship like someone in the navy, travel times would be ridiculously longer. 

FE simply fails to be useful on many levels.


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