WHY would the government trick us?

Possibly, but I think that this particular tangent would be better discussed in PR&S.  That is unless y'all would like to discuss how two of the richest people in the world are getting even richer by playing along with the government lying about space travel being possible,

I don't need to follow the money. I know that politicians, like other rich elite, are afraid of the poor.

You mean you believe pure BS.
Why would they be afraid of the poor?
Especially when they have got people like you fooled so well?

Thou shalt not covet.

It isn't about coveting. It is about having enough money to live a comfortable life without spending every waking hour working.

Yes, and they will, because the politicians favor them. This will not change through more taxes. In fact, politicians use your envy of the rich to get you to tax yourself.

Not mine.
Because I don't vote for those scum.
It is people like you voting them in and giving them that power.

Income tax will NEVER hit the rich. Don't even try. It's the poor and middle class that pay it.

Because of useful fools like you.

You are quite literally your own worst enemy.

There you go projecting again.

Quote from: JackBlack on January 31, 2025, 11:54:59 PM

Money in general is a zero sum game. In order for the rich to get their money, someone needs to give them it. It doesn't just magically appear.

I'm not sure that I would completely agree with that, depending on how you define "money".  After all, the vast majority of the ultra-wealthy is usually tied up in the stock market.  I've always been amazed at how much "money" can magically appear and disappear as stock prices vary.

Yes, the stock market can allow net worth to magically appear and disappear, but to actually use it as money you need to sell those stocks, which means someone needs to buy them.
And that is where it goes back to a zero sum game.

You either have someone pay for that stock, or someone loans you money based upon the "worth" of that stock.
Either way, the money came from somewhere.

I don't need to follow the money. I know that politicians, like other rich elite, are afraid of the poor.

So. What.

 "Thou shalt not covet."

 If you live your life in coveting of others, it is downright miserable. I already have enough coveting what with my desire to be more like a woman. Do you think I want the added drama of envying pieces of paper?

 "Oh no! The rich might get richer!"

 Yes, and they will, because the politicians favor them. This will not change through more taxes. In fact, politicians use your envy of the rich to get you to tax yourself.

Did you know that the blind have $2000 higher minimum tax than the rest of us? You wanna gouge out your eyes?

Income tax will NEVER hit the rich. Don't even try. It's the poor and middle class that pay it. If you want to tax the rich, demand your politicians do sales taxes. Don't believe their lies about how it punishes the poor. You can draft a tax proposal yourself, excluding certain taxes (like if you know poor people are largely spending on thrift stores and do market research on the foods eaten, or just exclude all groceries that aren't like caviar or escargot). The rich then pay large sales taxes for all their golden toilets, crazy shoe purchases, and billion dollar cars. The people who are immune are the ones who live sensibly.

You are quite literally your own worst enemy.

You think all the governments of the world are conspiring to hide the true shape of the world from the people, yes?  Then every government in the world is committing a fraud, wouldn't you agree?

Then all you need to do is follow the money like any good little fraud investigator would.

You are a truth seeker, aren't you, Bulmabriefs?? You were a victim of mass fraud in your previous indoctrination that the Earth is a globe, yes? You now are wiser and know better, and are trying to prove you are right, yes?

Then, grab an annual government budget, and show us what portion is devoted to flat earth cover-up.

Oh, and any chance you can stay on track with the subject of this thread instead of deliberately derailing it? Just because you can't answer my question, isn't a green light for you to derail the thread.

This subject has nothing to do with the rich and the poor. If you want to discuss social justice and injustice in relation to taxes and money, open such a thread in the appropriate forum section.

The rich ARE arfraid of the poor
Thats why infighintg and scapegooating at the bottom exists.

Dontbblame the rich, blame the radical left, mexicans, maga, tiktok, china, everyone slse
But defibitely dont balme the rich.
Look how the msm spin doctors work to vilify luigi yet say nothing about uhn guy


Viva la resistance

Possibly, but I think that this particular tangent would be better discussed in PR&S.  That is unless y'all would like to discuss how two of the richest people in the world are getting even richer by playing along with the government lying about space travel being possible,

Yeah that's what baffles me. You guys don't support Elon Musk. Most of you (to the best of my knowledge) lean left. But unlike you, while I lean right under non-ideal times, and towards the center right now, when I think Trump is already pushing things in a direction that doesn't feel right (1: I only support ending illegal immigration and anchor babies, not deporting people who have been here years; 2: I think transgender people should have basic rights not special rights, and I worry that's not even gonna be true; 3: AI support is backing the wrong horse, as AI is dangerous for cars and disruptive to any artistic economy).  But I can honestly say that I've never liked Elon Musk's priorities (they're sorta Silicon Valley conservative, and we only need so much tech to start with, and alot of our stuff could benefit actually from being low-tech and off the grid).

So why do you parrot Elon Musk? Should you oppose his belief in space travel? I'm at least logically consistent about that.

So why do you parrot Elon Musk? Should you oppose his belief in space travel? I'm at least logically consistent about that.

I can agree with Musk that space travel is real, electric cars are the future and green energy is vital.  I also think that he is an egomaniacal  lunatic, something of a bully and that his DOGE agenda has the potential to do some serious damage to the country.  Do you think that's inconsistent?

  I also think that he is an egomaniacal  lunatic, something of a bully and that his DOGE agenda has the potential to do some serious damage to the country. 

What’s Musk going to do?  Put the US 32 trillion in debt?  And cause ballooning interest payments?  Kill 10’s of thousands with fentanyl?  Keep printing money leading to more inflation.   I think the US has bigger problems than Musk, and the cure is going to be painful no matter what.  Anyone telling you different are a liars. 

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 02, 2025, 05:01:27 AM

So why do you parrot Elon Musk? Should you oppose his belief in space travel? I'm at least logically consistent about that.

I can agree with Musk that space travel is real, electric cars are the future and green energy is vital.  I also think that he is an egomaniacal  lunatic, something of a bully and that his DOGE agenda has the potential to do some serious damage to the country.  Do you think that's inconsistent?

Sorta? As I say, I can't think of one thing I'm behind Elon Musk about.

Don't think Earth is round, so rockets are a waste of money. Electric cars are also a waste ofmoney, and the batteries are somewhat undertested and dangerous. Electric cars are the future. The distant future. You don't rush a product into market. If you had a new toaster for example, and it had a teeny tiny shrapnel problem, ethics demands you wait until this is sorted out first. They take hours to charge, leaving you stranded, they catch fire, and green sources of energy generally don't work. I actually am okay with DOGE, but the two-sex model that Trump has and the insistence on AI as something to follow is probably Elon Musk's idea. AI is not what most people think it is.


To get real AI to work requires absolutely enormous resources. You say you worry about the environment? Massive energy use, massive cooling systems, look it's just simpler to make programs that perform a task rather than forcing it to think about how to do the task. Why should a computer "learn" or "decide" to open a door, when you can just program it to do that when you press a password?

And unless you can massively streamline things, it is too difficult in terms of bureaucracy to comply with Trump's male/female sex idea (updating gender back to male is mountain of paperwork).

So why do you parrot Elon Musk? Should you oppose his belief in space travel? I'm at least logically consistent about that.

Because we aren't cultists playing follow the leader.
Statements can be evaluated independent of who said them.
We can agree with some of what people say while also thinking they are a complete asshole who repeatedly cons people.

I accept space travel is real because of the overwhelming evidence supporting it. A lying conman saying it is real doesn't change that.

Electric cars are the future. The distant future.

Where as I would say electric cars are the immediate future with better alternatives replacing them.
e.g. alternative fuels, where you can pump the fuel in, but which isn't based upon fossil fuels.

To get real AI to work requires absolutely enormous resources.

Which is one of the reasons I am opposed to it and crap like bitcoin and opposed to them being used everywhere.

it's just simpler to make programs that perform a task rather than forcing it to think about how to do the task.

That actually varies quite a lot.
If the task is simple, then it is very easy to program it to perform that task.
But as the complexity of the task increases, including the generalisation to multiple similar tasks, it can become quite difficult.

Using your door example, programming a door to open electronically with a button is trivial.
But if instead you want it to be a machine which can move packages and go through doors, including a wide variety of different doors, some of which will open in some out, some sliding, and in all three cases some to the left some to the right, with different handle designs, with some needing to engage some part of the handle in a particular way to open it, it becomes a lot more complicated.

A better example is image recognition. Programming that from scratch is virtually impossible. But making an AI do it is much simpler.

And unless you can massively streamline things, it is too difficult in terms of bureaucracy to comply with Trump's male/female sex idea (updating gender back to male is mountain of paperwork).

That depends.
Do they have all the changes logged already and can just order them reversed?

Because we aren't cultists playing follow the leader.

That's exactly what you are though.

Having voted for Trump, I now question his actions. I am not about to vote for Harris or Biden, and I want this woke crap gone, but I nonetheless know how this president is imperfect when I see it.

But as I've seen, I cannot think of a single time your guys were really critical of Biden, even though the man was very obviously suffering dementia.
Nor can I think of any serious criticism you've had about FE.
Nor about climate, green energy, or a great many other topics.

The only way your responses would be more programmed than a cult member is if you were AI.

That's exactly what you are though.

No, we aren't.
As repeatedly demonstrated.

Nor can I think of any serious criticism you've had about FE.

We have given you plenty. You just ignore it or dismiss it.

Nor about climate, green energy, or a great many other topics.

Wrong again. I have pointed out issues.

You seem to be quite selective.

Meanwhile, you happily follow your cult without thinking or questioning.

Meanwhile, you happily follow your cult without thinking or questioning.

GULLIBLE AND WRONG’: JOURNALISTS LAMENT MISSING JOE BIDEN’S DECLINE
Matt Yglesias, Josh Barro, and Mehdi Hasan regret failing to acknowledge Biden’s cognitive decline sooner — and its impact on the 2024 election

By NAOMI LACHANCE
DECEMBER 30, 2024

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Joe Biden’s decline called most ‘under-covered’ story of 2024
This article is more than 1 month old
CBS correspondent Jan Crawford castigates US journalists for not digging deeper into Biden’s alleged loss of acuity

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/30/joe-biden-decline-underreported

Cults come in many forms.  Huh.  Like a cult to under report Biden’s mental decline. 

It's kinda funny how the far right didn't under-report it, and were dismissed as conspiracy theorists.

Almost as if conspiracy theorists bother to think about what could be true, don't mind if they're wrong, and as a result have the openness to accept ideas that later turn out to be true.

Hmmm, what other official government claims later turn out to be complete nonsense?

No, we aren't.
As repeatedly demonstrated.

Claiming and demonstrating are two different things.

A cult, by definition, is not simply about religion. In fact, religion is not the core part of a cult (and there are secular cults).

• A cult is foremost about control and the inability to question. Members are usually taught from a young age.
• Well, taught isn't the right word our you'd be a religion or secular organization. No, religion and cult aren't interchangeable (again!) because "brainwashed" is the word. In a religion, you can say that you don't accept transubstantiation. In a cult, cognitive dissonance triggers a defensive reaction when anything is questioned.
• A cult tends to surround every aspect of the victim's life. Not just worship, but their work, their quiet time, and in some cases the people they get to meet are all carefully filtered. They tend not to be able to meet anyone who will actively  try to deprogram them. In some cases, the cult will even have say in who they get to marry.
• A cult member cannot leave. The cult pursues them, sometimes violently trying to stop them from leaving.
• A cult member that leaves becomes a byword. No matter how faithful they were to the leader, no matter how many years they were faithful, no matter how loyal a member, no matter how good a reason they had for leaving, the cult will belittle their reasons and claim they never were a real member.

So I tell you that I used to be a round Earther, and I can literally see the cognitive dissonance as you try to ignore this reality, instead convincing yourself that instead of being college educated and fairly good in math and science, I must have grown up in a one-room hick school in the boonies memorizing Bible verses. Yes, this is a cult, from the No True Scotsman fallacy to trying to recruit me back, to the epic levels of dissonance.

You already know the government is capable of coverups. So the question is not "Why would the government lie to us?" After all, they can and have in the past. "Why would you defend their lies?" That's the far better question.

Claiming and demonstrating are two different things.

And I have demonstrated it, while all you do is claim.

A cult is foremost about control and the inability to question. Members are usually taught from a young age.

Such as your inability to question the FE.

So I tell you that I used to be a round Earther

And then you decided to join the FE cult.
And to try to pretend you haven't, you do your best to pretend the RE is a cult.

I can literally see the cognitive dissonance as you try to ignore this reality

Where?
You are yet to have a single example of that, but there are plenty of instances of you and other FEers completely ignoring reality; doing whatever you can to dismiss reality as fake, or just not talk about simple things from reality which show your cult is wrong.

You already know the government is capable of coverups. So the question is not "Why would the government lie to us?" After all, they can and have in the past. "Why would you defend their lies?" That's the far better question.

No, that is exactly what you should be asking.
When the government lies, there is a reason.
This reason might not be in your best interest, but there is a reason.
The government lying about some things does not mean everything they have ever said is a lie.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 03, 2025, 08:04:03 PM

Claiming and demonstrating are two different things.

And I have demonstrated it, while all you do is claim.

Toydarian: No you haven't!
Jedi Master: I have demonstrated it...
Toydarian: No, you haven't!

But just now would have been a perfect time to re-demonstrate it, so I have no excuse. Instead, you restated a claim that of courde you've demonstrated it. I however did demonstrate it, by explaining what cults are, and then show how it fits into the category of cult. Take notes, this is how you demonstrate things. What you've been doing is claiming.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 03, 2025, 08:04:03 PM

A cult is foremost about control and the inability to question. Members are usually taught from a young age.

Such as your inability to question the FE.

Actually, (1) I have the ability to question my own theory, as there no FE elders to tell me no. If I decide the moon reflects light from the sun, the moon casts its own light, the moon's phases are some sorta charging thing, no authorities can tell me no. (2) I seem to remember instead being taught before I was even six that the Earth orbits the sun.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 03, 2025, 08:04:03 PM

So I tell you that I used to be a round Earther

And then you decided to join the FE cult.
And to try to pretend you haven't, you do your best to pretend the RE is a cult.

Once again. There were no leaders that checked me in. There were no people surveilling to make sure I had the right opinion. If I left FE tomorrow, nobody would miss me. This is not like a cult. This is like deciding to take up watercolor. A highly personal decision. Meanwhile, you have no ceased trying to persuade me to go back to RE, since I got here.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 03, 2025, 08:04:03 PM

I can literally see the cognitive dissonance as you try to ignore this reality

Where?
You are yet to have a single example of that, but there are plenty of instances of you and other FEers completely ignoring reality; doing whatever you can to dismiss reality as fake, or just not talk about simple things from reality which show your cult is wrong.

Actually, if I were to manage to scrape together my own search history, I would find numerous examples of me having to retell you things because you debated them, declared them "drbunked" by claim, then forgot I said thrm. I have to re-explain them. Again. And again.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 03, 2025, 08:04:03 PM

You already know the government is capable of coverups. So the question is not "Why would the government lie to us?" After all, they can and have in the past. "Why would you defend their lies?" That's the far better question.

No, that is exactly what you should be asking.
When the government lies, there is a reason.
This reason might not be in your best interest, but there is a reason.
The government lying about some things does not mean everything they have ever said is a lie.

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Wow, what a good little sheeple you are.

So basically, "government always has our best interests in mind when they lie to us." Wow, so you accuse ME of being brainwashed and say that Eric Dubay ( and other flat Earthers) have used me. But they haven't taken a cent from me. I haven't bought their products, and they haven't asked me to. But the government takes legit dollars away from every thousand we make, and it doesn't tell us when American or Europeans or Africans die for really stupid reasons.
 I am somewhat certain what we'll find if we were to declassify the assassination of RFK, JFK, and MLK without smoothing over the message at all. Crooked attempts to silence people who had become a threat to "national security" (that is, to the secrets and lies of government). Yes, I like America the country. But I do no like its Deep State. The Deep State didn't want MLK's dream, and so civil rights was corrupted by cheap quotas. They didn't want JFK's leadership, so the crony government found someone to look like he assassinated him while professional marksmen actually did the job. And RFK probably knew about some of this corruption so he was on the hit list too. But you know, that doesn't matter (and I couldn't coherently name a perpetrator, since I wasn't born then).
What matters is that people like you seem to think that all of this is in your best intetest. When government takes your property (citing eminent domain) and fails to compensate you enough to buy a new house (they ought to move the house, if they were any good), is that in your best interest? When they cause tenfold inflation and money from inheritance that could have lasted 20 years instead lasts two years, is that in your best interest?

No, all these things are in THEIR best interest. They have debts, and inflation makes it easy to pay them off, as the Germans found during the Weimar Republic and its hyperinflation. On the other hand, its citizens found buying bread to now require a wheelbarrow of money.

But just now would have been a perfect time to re-demonstrate it

Given how you ignore everything, and it was done not to long ago in this thread, what would be the point?
As a reminder, I think trump and Elon are morons.
I don't believe everything they say, and routinely object to their BS.

I however did demonstrate it

No, you didn't even come close.
What you have been doing is claiming.

Actually, (1) I have the ability to question my own theory

Do you? You are yet to demonstrate it.
Instead you look for excuses as to why it should work.

I seem to remember instead being taught before I was even six that the Earth orbits the sun.

Rejection of reality to join a cult does not mean you are not in a cult.
Notice that you cannot defend yourself rejecting the RE? Instead you lie, making excuses and then flee from your BS being refuted.

Once again. There were no leaders that checked me in. There were no people surveilling to make sure I had the right opinion. If I left FE tomorrow, nobody would miss me.

And that is not needed for a cult.

you have no ceased trying to persuade me to go back to RE, since I got here

Now try it honestly, rather than with your cult filter.
I haven't ceased objecting to your dishonest, delusional BS since you started spouting it.

Actually, if I were to manage to scrape together my own search history, I would find numerous examples of me having to retell you things because you debated them, declared them "drbunked" by claim, then forgot I said thrm.

No, you wouldn't.
Instead you would find examples of you spouting pure BS, me objecting to that and explaining why it is wrong, for you to then deflect and run away to a different topic, only to bring up the same refuted BS later.

And there are so many examples of that it isn't funny.

You don't need to re-explain. You need to explain, addressing the issue raised instead of something different to pretend you have explained.

Wow, what a good little sheeple you are.

No, it isn't.
Instead, it is me not being a crazy, paranoid, delusional cultist.

I'm not just going to assume that they are lying when they say something I don't like.

So basically, "government always has our best interests in mind when they lie to us."

And another great example of your cult like behaviour.
You are not listening to those who call out your BS.
I literally stated that is NOT the case.
I literally said "This reason might not be in your best interest"

Yet here you are, blatantly lying to everyone by pretending I said it was always in our best interest.

Wow, so you accuse ME of being brainwashed

Yes, and you demonstrate that repeatedly.
You are so far gone you don't even appear to realise what you are doing.
Either that or you truly a lying POS with no concern for the truth.
You have demonstrated that just then by entirely ignoring what I said and pretending I said something completely different.

I am somewhat certain

You mean you are extremely brainwashed and believe all sorts of paranoid BS with no evidence to support it.

What matters is that people like you seem to think that all of this is in your best intetest.

No, what matters is that pathetic cultists like you blatantly lie like you have done again.

No, all these things are in THEIR best interest.

And who is "THEIR"?
The rich, not simply the government.

Almost as if conspiracy theorists bother to think about what could be true, don't mind if they're wrong, and as a result have the openness to accept ideas that later turn out to be true.

Since when do conspiracy theorists ever admit that they're wrong or accept new ideas?  Sure, they may say that they want to be proven wrong, but from what I've seen, they tend to be so paranoid about being lied to that they usually don't believe anything that doesn't agree with what they think is true.

You're confusing a cult for a conspiracy theory. If you got two JFK theorists together, one might be able to give the other ideas.

In a cult, they are conditioned not to accept new ideas.

You don’t have to be a fully paid up member to be a cultist, you follow a book of myths that gives you tacit membership, but then you read something about freedom of speech that in your mind gave you latitude to make shit up, you then fell for Eric Dubay and became an unofficial acolyte, and the only thing that is stopping you becoming a cult leader is that nothing you say makes sense enough for even the most gullible to follow.

You're confusing a cult for a conspiracy theory. If you got two JFK theorists together, one might be able to give the other ideas.

And then they start fighting over who's ideas are right and rejecting each others.

You're confusing a cult for a conspiracy theory. If you got two JFK theorists together, one might be able to give the other ideas.

In a cult, they are conditioned not to accept new ideas.

FE'ers, like yourself, have minds like a steel trap... rusted shut.  If you could accept new ideas, then you wouldn't grasp at so many straws trying to discredit the FE'ers who participated in The Final Experiment and confirmed that the 24 hour sun in Antarctica is real and the Antarctica as the ice wall map doesn't work.

A mind like a steel trap is well-honed. It never lets go of information it knows to be correct.

You're confusing good steel for pig iron.

You have a mind like rotting wood. Stuck on ideas you were taught to the point of senility, rejecting sound ideas (one of you in fact told me earlier today that water on a slope sploshing out was a strawman. Watch what happens when I ask AI with no context "What happens to water on a mountain side when there is a slope?" and "What happens to water from a hose when I pour it on to a spherical rubber ball?"

Well, no need to wonder. I asked an AI for ya.


And yes, that AI has an interesting personality with its weird over-exuberance. It's also obsessed with tape.

Now, here's the fun part. The AI would not be able to make a connection between what it just said, and the claim that the Earth is round. But it very much understands the simple logic that water on a slope spills down the hill. But here, you've been lied to and lied to, so you are programmed worse than this AI, which can testify against you with its simple logic.

Actually, I did manage to get it to admit what the Earth should do ("So if water runs down a slope and runs off a spherical ball, what should happen to all the water on Earth, if we compare the two things?"). Then a friend who loves to troll me got it to admit counter to logic by employing gravity.



The AI and myself can both make logical connections (though the AI can be told their own guesses are wrong and they believe it automatically). People who are given lies by the government are in fact worse than an AI, as they can never reject those ideas once taught.

A mind like a steel trap is well-honed. It never lets go of information it knows to be correct.

Meanwhile, your mind has been conned into thinking pure BS is correct, and are now clinging to that like a safety blanket.

You have a mind like rotting wood. Stuck on ideas you were taught to the point of senility, rejecting sound ideas

You are projecting again.

Watch what happens when I ask AI with no context "What happens to water on a mountain side when there is a slope?" and "What happens to water from a hose when I pour it on to a spherical rubber ball?"

Notice that you provided it context. You specifically appealed to the side of a mountain, and a rubber ball.

But so what? AI isn't some magical know all being.

Now, here's the fun part. The AI would not be able to make a connection between what it just said, and the claim that the Earth is round.

Because there is no honest connection. It is a pathetic strawman.

But it does kind of sum up your mentality; just repeating crap with no ability to think and understand.

Watch what happens when I ask AI with no context "What happens to water on a mountain side when there is a slope?" and "What happens to water from a hose when I pour it on to a spherical rubber ball?"

Why don't you ask AI if buoyancy works without gravity.  Also, why do you think that context isn't important?

Better yet, since you have such a solid grasp on buoyancy, please show me how to calculate how much helium is required to lift a one kilogram mass at sea level with an air temperature of 80 degrees F.  If you can't do that, then your version of buoyancy is useless.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 07, 2025, 09:56:54 AM

Watch what happens when I ask AI with no context "What happens to water on a mountain side when there is a slope?" and "What happens to water from a hose when I pour it on to a spherical rubber ball?"

Why don't you ask AI if buoyancy works without gravity.  Also, why do you think that context isn't important?

Better yet, since you have such a solid grasp on buoyancy, please show me how to calculate how much helium is required to lift a one kilogram mass at sea level with an air temperature of 80 degrees F.  If you can't do that, then your version of buoyancy is useless.

Hahaha, so I tried to teach the AI that gravity is really buoyancy, and it got some very strange responses after that, like deciding that a brick that I dropped from a cliff should float in midair. This is what comes from the screwy language of buoyancy and gravity.

I'm not sure why you think the temperature matters.

But there is another machine you can use for this exact purpose.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/everyday-life/helium-balloons

You need 246.54 US gallons of helium, or eight 24" balloons.

To lift an 150 lb person, you'd either need a lot more of the same size (535) or eight balloons again, but balloons about four times as big.

Anyway, your question only proves that my AI is useless for any mathematical purpose. Which I kinda know. My AI plays with tape, it functions at about a fourth grade level, mainly as a conversation bot. Which says volumes about how stupid your idea is. A dummy machine knows better than you.  So does an actual kid in fourth grade who managed to escape indoctrination. In fact, I could probably ask even a kid who had been indoctrinated to answer those questions, and it would be virtually the same. The only real difference is that an AI constantly adjusts its ideas, while a human creates cognitive dissonance and will stop listening if you get them to make connections they don't like.

I'm not sure why you think the temperature matters.

So you're saying that you don't know that temperature affects air density, which affects buoyancy?

But there is another machine you can use for this exact purpose.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/everyday-life/helium-balloons

You need 246.54 US gallons of helium, or eight 24" balloons.

I want to see the math so that we can be sure that your AI bot didn't sneak gravity into its calculations.

Anyway, your question only proves that my AI is useless for any mathematical purpose.

Which is why I asked you to do and show the math, not some shady AI bot.

Hahaha, so I tried to teach the AI

AI is incapable of learning.
Do you even understand what it is?

This is what comes from the screwy language of buoyancy and gravity.

You mean your screwy language.
Try it honestly.

Anyway, your question only proves that my AI is useless for any mathematical purpose.

And reasoning purposes.
But that doesn't stop you asking it questions like that.

Which says volumes about how stupid your idea is. A dummy machine knows better than you.

Do you realise the stupidity of your argument here?
You admit your machine is stupid, yet use it to try to defend your delusional BS.
The machine does not know better than us, you are just as stupid as the machine you are appealing to.

In fact, I could probably ask even a kid who had been indoctrinated to answer those questions

And have them realise the pressure gradient destroys your delusional BS? And that what you actually need is a downwards force proportional to mass which creates the pressure gradient which in turn creates the upwards buoyant force?

The only real difference is that an AI constantly adjusts its ideas, while a human creates cognitive dissonance and will stop listening if you get them to make connections they don't like.

And you are a great example of that.
You have clung to the idea of Earth being flat you need to reject everything that shows it is wrong.

AI is capable of "machine learning" which is to say that if you give it several thousand pictures of an azalea and a camellia, it will not actually learn anything, but rather compare the two databases. It will tell you from the general threshold, what an azalea looks like and what a camellia looks like.

So I asked it to compare the programmed knowledge it had concerning the behavior of water on a slope and on a sphere.
Then I asked it to compare this to the round Earth model, and tell me the results. It was like "Huh! Based on those two models, all water on the Earth should drip into space.
Then my troll friend gave it the gravity model to compare that model to. And it was like "I guess I was wrong." The gravity model is fallacious and anti-logical, but I didn't tell that to the AI.
Instead, I told it that gravity is really buoyancy, mainly to see what it would do. What was really interesting was that around here, the logical of the AI fell apart. This is because the AI had been programmed with the same assumption you have been taught, that "buoyancy makes things float" rather than "buoyancy makes things float and sink." So what I got when I asked it to extrapolate what should happen (being told gravity is really buoyancy) if I tossed a brick off a cliff was "The brick will float in midair."  I then worked on correcting this assumption by saying some downright crazy stuff (that I don't even believe) to correct the mindset of what I had previously said.

Yes, I know about AI. Do you?

You mean your screwy language.
Try it honestly.

What you really mean is to play along with your assumptions of shoehorned-in gravity.

Archimedes probably knew buoyancy causes things to sink and float. But Newton "corrected" his equation.

Do you realise the stupidity of your argument here?
You admit your machine is stupid, yet use it to try to defend your delusional BS.

A machine is dumb because it cannot think for itself. But this also makes it useful, as I can ask it to compare two assumptions to a third, and extrapolate a logical result. Only when the logic has built-in problems or if there are unknown variables (such as buoyancy hard-coded as a wrong definition), do we get illogical results.
If I asked it about previous weather in an area, I could use it to make a prediction. Would it always be right? Hardly! This is what I mean by unknown variables. But the more results that I had it compare, the more likely it might be accurate.

You stupidly see patterns, yet ignore them in favor of what you have been taught. Unlike the AI, you do not compare what you have seen to what you have been taught.

The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah

Jesus could have easily said that AI adjust their ideas based on new information given to them, while the Jews do not.

Bulma, have you tried asking your AI bot for proof that the earth is flat?