WHY would the government trick us?

  • 1040 Replies
  • 33398 Views
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #900 on: December 03, 2024, 07:03:48 AM »
Big oil is polluting and clear cuttig the forests in those areas.


*

JackBlack

  • 23655
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #901 on: December 03, 2024, 12:10:55 PM »
On the contrary. Each year, turkey fat clogs drains,
Yes, a physical problem.
If instead that is taken care of properly, it isn't an issue.

That is not the fat itself being devastating to the environment.
If it was, all the turkeys already in the environment would be devestating to it.

In fact a volcanic eruption basically burns this pressurized underground fuel all at once.
No, volcanos have nothing to do with oil and coal and so on.

The only thing important to me is that we don't clear trees in the name of the environment.
So continuing to defend oil, which is causing massive environmental harm is perfectly fine.
But a better solution which does far less harm is a big no-no?
Likewise, rampant destruction of the environment by people who don't give a shit about it is also perfectly fine by you, even though it causes far more damage.

Again, you demonstrate you don't give a damn about the environment.

What this is really about: you clear trees for solar plants until America looks like Haiti.
And no one is suggesting that.
So you are saying it is really about a strawman where you entirely misrepresent the alternatives to fossil fuels to continue to pretend that they are horrible, while being happy with far more environmentally damaging things.

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #902 on: December 03, 2024, 04:12:12 PM »
Quote
Yes, a physical problem.
If instead that is taken care of properly, it isn't an issue.

That is not the fat itself being devastating to the environment.
If it was, all the turkeys already in the environment would be devestating to it.

That's the point.

Turkeys are just wandering about, like ticking time bombs, waiting for their fat to devastate the environment.

Just as oil is sitting around underground beneath the soil, ready to completely destroy the environment the moment it comes to the surface.

Neither of these things are clearly things that can be handled properly. They both need to be banned completely. Oh, and the people who sell them need to be EXECUTED.  ;D Yes, I'm pointing out just how silly your argument sounds.

The solution to both is to get a grip, accept that indeed oil can be mishandled, just like chicken fat. But flying completely off the handle and demanding zero carbon be burned ever is a bridge too far. Plenty of things are devastating if done poorly.  Ordinary table salt, if the sodium and chlorine are split has a poison gas, and a mineral that explodes in water.  Should we ban salt? Silicon in your solar panels is found in volcanic eruptions that destroy cities and towns. Let's ban silicon.

Some of the same ingredients found in gunpowder are also found in gardening chemicals. If we feared psycho killers chasing around people with knives, we wouldn't be able to cut our food for cooking.

I would have no problem replacing motor oil and petroleum with vegetable oil. If we could grow about 20 times what we do now. But you'd find an excuse to complain about it. So here's the deal. Turkey fat is not dangerous? Fine, I'll render turkey fat, pour it into a container, and configure a car or ten to burn turkey fat. What's that? Turkey fat is suddenly dangerous? Or maybe you're worried about the poor feelings of the turkeys being killed? Yes, I thought so.

Meanwhile, if I am worried about the amount of trees chopped down to "save the environment" you tell me that I'm pro-oil, because that's an easy strawman.

*

Aera23

  • 156
  • Real age 20 (in 2024), profile age is funny tho
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #903 on: December 03, 2024, 04:22:22 PM »
Wow... those solar panels need to be recycled (yes, ik it may not be 100% recyclable, if it was manufactured with certain composite materials)
~~~^.^~~~
I am bulmabriefs144, Smasher of Testicles.  You see? Titles are ridiculous.

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #904 on: December 03, 2024, 04:48:47 PM »
Here's the thing though.

They cannot be recycled. Not easily, anyway.

A sheet of iron or aluminum can be recycled. Glass can be recycled. Plastic, they have trouble with because of unknown additives. Solar panels have a similar problem. Like cellphones and televisions, they have trouble (especially in rural areas) making them recycle. So they just sit there. In fact our dumps say "No TVs."  When we can't use it anymore we have to figure out what to do with it. The same for our cellphones, Kindles, and computers.

What possesses you to push something that just sits as waste when done?


*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 43122
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #905 on: December 03, 2024, 05:14:30 PM »
Here's the thing though.

They cannot be recycled. Not easily, anyway.
The EPA disagrees with you.
https://www.epa.gov/hw/solar-panel-recycling
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #906 on: December 03, 2024, 05:49:45 PM »
Here's the thing though.

They cannot be recycled. Not easily, anyway.

A sheet of iron or aluminum can be recycled. Glass can be recycled. Plastic, they have trouble with because of unknown additives. Solar panels have a similar problem. Like cellphones and televisions, they have trouble (especially in rural areas) making them recycle. So they just sit there. In fact our dumps say "No TVs."  When we can't use it anymore we have to figure out what to do with it. The same for our cellphones, Kindles, and computers.

What possesses you to push something that just sits as waste when done?


You calimed plastic was recyclable and burnable.
Amazong and erulpwan forests are bad trees.


Youre so spectacularly bad faithed and hypocritically double standarded


Just say it.




*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #907 on: December 03, 2024, 06:40:23 PM »
Here's the thing though.

They cannot be recycled. Not easily, anyway.
The EPA disagrees with you.
https://www.epa.gov/hw/solar-panel-recycling

If so, then explain this.

Did they just not feel like it?

Also, this article disagrees with you.
https://www.wired.com/story/solar-panels-are-starting-to-die-leaving-behind-toxic-trash/
So yeah. 

Just because an organization is famous, doesn't mean they can't have their opinions bought. Or shall I tell you about how often the FDA has approved sketchy foods and drugs?

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 43122
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #908 on: December 03, 2024, 06:59:31 PM »
Here's the thing though.

They cannot be recycled. Not easily, anyway.
The EPA disagrees with you.
https://www.epa.gov/hw/solar-panel-recycling

If so, then explain this.
Simple.  Money.  There's a difference between easy recycling and cost effective recycling.  The potential is there, there just needs to be the proper financial incentive to build up the infrastructure.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #909 on: December 03, 2024, 07:20:24 PM »
Oh, I was under the impression that solar panel companies were filled with paragons of virtue, not greedy pigs who skimp on costs to make more money.

That was a joke.

Let's be real. These people aren't saving the environment. They aren't saving anything.
I have no delusions about oil, but you seem to either be tricking to trick me, or are very deluded about solar.
These people are very interested in green things, alright.


*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 43122
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #910 on: December 03, 2024, 07:34:00 PM »
No one is saying that solar is the be all and end all of renewable energy.  Stop pretending that anyone is claiming that it is.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #911 on: December 03, 2024, 08:14:01 PM »
You guys have been pretending for pages that solar (and wind) are the perfect solution to our energy needs, even though I've told your repeatedly that solar panels don't in fact create a huge amount of energy, they waste a great deal of space.

And then, when caught in a lie about their ability to recycle (or their desire to do so), you're all like "Well, it's not the ultimate solution anyway!" But climate experts have been telling us that it is! That we need to switch immediately to these sources of energy or we are doomed. But here you insist it's not really all that good as all that.


*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 43122
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #912 on: December 03, 2024, 08:28:02 PM »
You guys have been pretending for pages that solar (and wind) are the perfect solution to our energy needs...
I never said that.  I've been saying that solar and wind are just parts of a total solution.

And then, when caught in a lie about their ability to recycle (or their desire to do so), you're all like "Well, it's not the ultimate solution anyway!"
Again, no.  I was simply pointing out that, just because solar panels aren't being widely recycled, that doesn't mean that they can't be widely recycled, which is what you claimed.

But climate experts have been telling us that it is! That we need to switch immediately to these sources of energy or we are doomed. But here you insist it's not really all that good as all that.
I insist that solar and wind, despite their limitations, are still better alternatives than fossil fuels.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #913 on: December 03, 2024, 09:09:48 PM »
Here's the thing though.

They cannot be recycled. Not easily, anyway.
The EPA disagrees with you.
https://www.epa.gov/hw/solar-panel-recycling

If so, then explain this.

Did they just not feel like it?

Also, this article disagrees with you.
https://www.wired.com/story/solar-panels-are-starting-to-die-leaving-behind-toxic-trash/
So yeah. 

Just because an organization is famous, doesn't mean they can't have their opinions bought. Or shall I tell you about how often the FDA has approved sketchy foods and drugs?


yet chevron fucked a 1000s of acres of forest
so....
explain your doulbe standard?




math is not on your side given your complete lack of standards

come now

why you even pretending?

yo asked why i brought up ecuardo
then ignore it.

so... just magic?
just outrage when it's suitable?
so patheticly obvious

*

JackBlack

  • 23655
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #914 on: December 04, 2024, 01:06:08 AM »
Turkeys are just wandering about, like ticking time bombs, waiting for their fat to devastate the environment.
No, they're not. As it requires you to collect a large amount of turkey, isolate the fat, and then dump it.
And this is entirely PHSYICAL, because life can easily break it down.

Compare that to oil, where not only does it have the physical problem, it is also a chemical problem, because life can't break it down.

Notice how I said the fat when taken care of properly can be added to compost?
You can't do that with oil.

Neither of these things are clearly things that can be handled properly. They both need to be banned completely.
No, Turkey fat is trivial to handle properly, but people like you don't give a damn.
And importantly, the alternatives to Turkey are quite comparable.

That is NOT the case for oil.

I'm pointing out just how silly your argument sounds.
No, you are setting up a stupid strawman.

But flying completely off the handle and demanding zero carbon be burned
Is a strawman which you continue to cling to.

And that is all you are doing.
You aren't trying to engage in any form of rational discussion.

Fine, I'll render turkey fat, pour it into a container, and configure a car or ten to burn turkey fat. What's that? Turkey fat is suddenly dangerous?
Go ahead. Just don't expect to be able to power the world with it.

Meanwhile, if I am worried about the amount of trees chopped down to "save the environment" you tell me that I'm pro-oil, because that's an easy strawman.
No, if you continually defend fossil fuels, as you have been doing, and making ridiculous demands for alternatives to be perfect rather than merely better, then you are pro-oil.
Especially with your utter hypocrisy, where if you think a mine is used for renewables you label it as horrible, but when pointed out it is for fracking you suddenly become silent.

They cannot be recycled. Not easily, anyway.
That comes down to what is meant by "easily".
This is more an issue with the disposable economy and want the cheaper option.

If so, then explain this.

An image from an article on solar panel recycling?
https://mkscrapmetalsolution.com.au/solar-panel-recycling-service/

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #915 on: December 04, 2024, 12:57:47 PM »
Actually, I found it here.

https://www.cleanfuture.co.in/2021/03/01/solar-panel-waste-problem-making/
"Solar Panel Waste – A Mounting Problem In Making"

Quote
I insist that solar and wind, despite their limitations, are still better alternatives than fossil fuels.

Either you're a liar, or you're at least wrong.

What happens when you criminalize burning of fossil fuels (or at least discourage it)? Well, they still mine them. They still try to make money from them (leftists think preventing people from making money will make them anything other than angry, sorry that's not how the real world works). But now, they have decided to ramp up oil byproducts. This means more oil-based medicines ("ask your doctor about this synthetic medicine with petrochemicals")
https://meridianhealthclinic.com/how-rockefeller-created-the-business-of-western-medicine/
and this also means making far more plastic.

You will not stop oil merchants from going somewhere and mining for oil. They either mine it to heat that home of yours (yes, hypocrite, I know you are not living in a cave burning wood while responding to my posts), or they mine it to make plastic bags that you haul groceries in, that contain food or clothing, that ends up being recycled. But not really.

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch is one of five ocean landfills where water swirls plastic to a point. The less oil is used for fuel, the more is turned into product.

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 43122
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #916 on: December 04, 2024, 03:26:18 PM »
I'm not saying that burning fossil fuels should be criminalized, at least not until better alternatives make fossil fuels irrelevant.  And you're right, even if the whole planet stops burning fossil fuels, they still have other, less harmful to the environment, uses so they ain't going away any time soon.  I'm just saying that the sooner we can reduce carbon emissions to a more sane level, the better.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

JackBlack

  • 23655
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #917 on: December 04, 2024, 11:50:47 PM »
Either you're a liar, or you're at least wrong.
Have you considered that you could be wrong?
Especially given how often you are?

What happens when you criminalize burning of fossil fuels (or at least discourage it)? Well, they still mine them.
And there are key differences.
One big one is the amount.
Another is that it isn't being burnt to increase the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.

and this also means making far more plastic.
So they just make it for shits and giggles?

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #918 on: December 05, 2024, 01:05:09 PM »
Quote
Have you considered that you could be wrong?

The difference between you and me?

As an adult, I found out all the fairy stories I was told as a kid were wrong.

So, could I be wrong? Yes, certainly. About the finer details.

But the large picture, either there is a third option, or I am right. Now, could there be a third option? Indeed there could.

But what I do know is that the option I came from has constant nagging questions that don't add up. And no, it's not because I'm too stupid to understand what I was taught. I got A and B average all through school. And science was not a hated subject. Then as an adult, I gave this fairy tale a second look, and realized that it was total crap.

But by all means! Tell me about how if I just knew more about Round Earth, I should know why it works.

Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #919 on: December 05, 2024, 01:21:39 PM »
well your failure to understand an individual light ray for the sake of the model was drawn, vs light spreading out in all directions.

i would say - yes you are stupid.



and if you're a genius, feel free to represent the model correctly and show us why it's wrong.
because so far you've claimed its wrong by INcorrectly representing the model.
and if you INcorrectly represent it, and find a fault, that's well...what would you call that?
« Last Edit: December 05, 2024, 01:34:39 PM by Themightykabool »

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #920 on: December 05, 2024, 02:59:36 PM »
Ummm okay, light rays in real life (such as from a lightbulb or flashlight or candle, or anything really) totally are completely separated from each other, and not (as is actually observed by all of these things) either a ray, cone, or sphere of light waves in close formation.




Light is a wave of energy. The only light that goes in stark lines like this looks like this.


You're an idiot. Or, I would say that, but you're clearly part of the devious fucks who tried to ruin the world with the globalist enslavement plot.

But then people stupid enough to wear robes like this are pretty dumb anyway, regardless of how clever they think they are. Tacky fashion.

Something shaped like the sun is, is one of two things:
1. A sphere, in which case its light should be in a circular radius around the center.
2. A spotlight.

A strobe light has huge gaps in its light surface. The sun does not. So pretty pictures where the sun scatters to be at just the right angle to be underneath something? That's a kid's picture.

Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #921 on: December 05, 2024, 03:51:16 PM »
if the light leaves the source in all (ALL) directions, why do you then claim it should cast a spotlight sized circle on a surface?




THE SOURCE IS UNSHADED, FREE TO SPREAD OUT







THE BULB IS SHADED/ SPOT LIGHTED









amazing!
« Last Edit: December 05, 2024, 03:53:43 PM by Themightykabool »

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #922 on: December 05, 2024, 04:30:23 PM »

I have a horrible vision of the future where the age of enlightenment is drowned under this rising sludge, the streets filled with crazed flagellants following increasingly strident prophets to various dead deities, craving for a revelation that never comes.

And I used to have such hope for the future.

Lemme guess. Your vision of the future is something out of Star Trek.

  • Replicated food
  • Zero money economy
  • Space travel
  • People living peacefully together on starships
  • Outgrowing religion

Some of us preferred Star Wars. And there's a reason. Star Wars is more realistic.
  • Replicated food is shit. Even if you could make such a thing (against the conservation of matter, unless you have some kind of protoplasm goo as starter), everything you made would basically taste the same.
  • Without money, there is no incentive. Without incentive, people are slaves. It doesn't matter that you add tech gears to it and plaster smiles on their faces and claim they enjoy working for Starfleet. But no matter how much Kirk or Spock works, all awaiting him are either a promotion to do more work or "better" work, or if he barely does anything, he might get sent to Talos IV. Probably not, though. Meaning what actually happens to slackers is nothing. Realistically, this means that Starfleet is filled with lackluster cadets who are stuck in red shirts, and you know what happens to red shirts. 
  • Yeah, cool story bro. Only if space travel isn't real (it isn't), then the best we have to hope for is the Wizard of Oz version of space. "Here, these special (holographic) glasses will protect your eyes from space particles while you sit in this ship and we pretend to be in space to enforce all of these socialist plans. At least in Star Wars they have warp portals.
  • Uhhhh, yeah, about that. People who watch Star Wars rather than Star Trek understand that putting Wookies, Ewoks, Toydarians, and so on together in a small ship might involve infighting or outright mutiny. Liewise, these woke sanctuary cities are hellholes where people actively try to kill each other.
  • Religion isn't something we outgrow. It's something that people who don't have permanent autism as a result of vaccinations understand is how we make sense of this world. "Who am I? Why am I here? What's west of Westeros?" These are the real questions. We humans are geared toward asking questions. The fact that everyone on Starfleet appears to be completely atheistic is yet more unreality. What may happen is that when we evolve, our faith actually becomes powers. The actual decent Gene Roddenberry show, Earth: Final Conflict has Taelons, who have become spiritual beings. Star Wars has the force. Star Trek has psychics, and that's pretty much it. Lame. When you stop believing in religion, what replaces it is superstition about psychics and ghosts.

    Here's my vision of the future. We stop trying to shove French with Germans with Muslims with Hindus all together and expect them to hold hands and dance around while laughing. We let countries be unique. You want to wear hijab? Fine! Go to Saudi Arabia. We stop forcing people at childhood to believe in our model of the Earth, and let them figure it out themselves. We stop trying to push cashless systems, and let each society figure out how it wants to pay people.

    Your happy future is authoritarian. Mine involves real people being able to make real choices.

Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #923 on: December 05, 2024, 06:15:47 PM »
Quote
Something shaped like the sun is, is one of two things:
1. A sphere, in which case its light should be in a circular radius around the center.
2. A spotlight.



We're telling you it's 1 for the round model.
and you keep using 2 even though we're telling you 1.

if the light leaves the source in all (ALL) directions, why do you then claim it should cast a spotlight sized circle on a surface?




THE SOURCE IS UNSHADED, FREE TO SPREAD OUT







THE BULB IS SHADED/ SPOT LIGHTED









amazing!
[/quote]
« Last Edit: December 05, 2024, 06:32:22 PM by Themightykabool »

*

JackBlack

  • 23655
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #924 on: December 06, 2024, 01:02:17 AM »
Quote
Have you considered that you could be wrong?
The difference between you and me?
Yes, where you pretend you are right, even when you admit you don't know, you still claim that you must be right.

Meanwhile, I'll gladly admit I'm wrong, when someone can show I am, and I have made plenty of mistakes.

But what I do know is that the option I came from has constant nagging questions that don't add up.
i.e. you are certain that you are not wrong.
You do not even consider it as a possibility.

I gave this fairy tale a second look, and realized that it was total crap.
Yet you are yet to present a single valid reason why.
Instead you just keep repeating the same refuted lies and then fleeing from them.
All with the idea that you couldn't possibly be wrong about it.

Ummm okay, light rays in real life (such as from a lightbulb or flashlight or candle, or anything really) totally are completely separated from each other, and not (as is actually observed by all of these things) either a ray, cone, or sphere of light waves in close formation.
Firstly, you are effectively admitting your prior claims are pure BS, as you showing light in a close formation in contrast to clearly separated light rays. Yet your attempt at justifying your BS before was pretend light magically comes out in rays and you have a direct ray and then the one next to it would be off at such a large angle it would miss Earth.

But at the same time you fail to understand how you can represent a part of the light from a continuous region as lines.
That is a simple way to understand shadows.
But apparently that is too advanced for you.

Something shaped like the sun is, is one of two things:
1. A sphere, in which case its light should be in a circular radius around the center.
i.ei just what the RE model has and directly against what you pretended without justification.

2. A spotlight.
HOW?

So pretty pictures where the sun scatters to be at just the right angle to be underneath something? That's a kid's picture.
Not scattering, travelling directly from the source to the object.

  • Replicated food is shit. Even if you could make such a thing (against the conservation of matter, unless you have some kind of protoplasm goo as starter), everything you made would basically taste the same.
If you don't understand something, it is far better for you to remain silent about it and have people wonder if you are an idiot, than to speak and confirm their suspicions.

Firstly, it is NOT a violation of conservation of matter. Instead it is changing matter into other matter. e.g. it takes waste and turns it into food.

But more importantly, why should that make everything taste the same?
It should be repeatable such that if you had it construct a particular item according to a particular model it should be able to produce an identical one which tastes the same, but you should also be able to have it make other things which taste different.

  • Without money, there is no incentive.
Just because you are desperate for and only motivated by money doesn't mean everyone is.
The existence of open source software shows that is not the case.

  • Religion isn't something we outgrow.
It certainly seems to be, with more advanced and more civilised societies being less religious.
Religion was made as a tool to control primitive people and to pretend to have an explanation for what was unknown.

It's something that people who don't have permanent autism as a result of vaccinations understand is how we make sense of this world.
i.e. for primitive people, that don't like an answer of "we don't know" and instead would prefer to have pure BS made up for them to pretend to have an answer, even if it is entirely wrong.

*

Jura-Glenlivet II

  • Flat Earth Inquisitor
  • 6522
  • Will I still be perfect tomorrow?
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #925 on: December 06, 2024, 01:57:56 AM »

I have a horrible vision of the future where the age of enlightenment is drowned under this rising sludge, the streets filled with crazed flagellants following increasingly strident prophets to various dead deities, craving for a revelation that never comes.

And I used to have such hope for the future.

Rammel about star wars


Neither scenario is an option in your stunted universe, as it will be the rejection of science that will make space travel impossible not the fact we live in a snow globe.

I thought the Jesus guy was all for integration, but you are the expert on mythical martyrs, and I dare say that the good book has interpretations that support both sides as it does with slavery and incest.

Science on the other hand recognizes that nations are just constructs that promote division, much the same as religions, throw backs to our tribal past that if we can rise above, as we have to some degree along gender lines, we can dispense with the dark age mindset that encourages internecine disputes, but with the rise of conflict politicians who leverage the ignorant into smaller and smaller brands to divide and rule, I suspect the future is just more conflict.
Life is meaningless and everything dies.

Every man makes a god of his own desire

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 43122
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #926 on: December 14, 2024, 05:47:01 PM »
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

bulmabriefs144

  • 3461
  • God winds the universe
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #927 on: December 21, 2024, 07:41:28 PM »
Quote
Science on the other hand recognizes that nations are just constructs that promote division, much the same as religions, throw backs to our tribal past that if we can rise above, as we have to some degree along gender lines, we can dispense with the dark age mindset that encourages internecine disputes, but with the rise of conflict politicians who leverage the ignorant into smaller and smaller brands to divide and rule, I suspect the future is just more conflict.

Your ideas are from the darkest age of all. While pretending to be enlightened, you force others into a state of conflict.

People have nations for the same reason their houses have walls and a ceiling. But you enlightened vandals want to smash houses to build your open concept world. We are free when you are able to set boundaries. When there are no boundaries, people can hurt you.
Today, my mom told me she would go to church with me, but she didn't want me wearing a dress. I told her that my boundaries involved not allowing people to place a double standard. If women can wear jeans and slacks, and I cannot wear a dress or skirt, something is violated. In the same way, all during COVID these enlightened losers told me that I couldn't worship because we needed to lower the spread. I refused to wear a mask, I refused to patronize any business that insisted I do that (including a previous church).

Walls keep people from raping or murdering us. Without walls, you know where we would be? The Stone Age.

Because of nations, we have medicine and technology, we have heated buildings, and planes that fly across the world. Because of religion, we have kindness, music, and fine art.

You go back to your open borders, and you go back to spying on your neighbor and throwing stones at him for not observing antiquated rules. This is true with or without religion. The laws of a country, even in an atheist state, are such that a person can be killed for not abiding a silly rule. Like saying that you don't like the king or distributing porn in North Korea.

Religion: "to reconnect"
The purpose of religion (while completely messed up) is to teach human beings how to be connected. This involves boundaries as well as bonds. Without bonds, we are cut off. Without boundaries, we are exploited. I am Christian, but I am also my own faith.  I have no use for these rules where people can be stoned to death for silly reasons. Religion, particularly the evolution of religion is how humans evolve.

Recommended reading: God's Message to the World by Neale Donald Walsch.

*

JackBlack

  • 23655
Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #928 on: December 23, 2024, 01:35:50 AM »
Your ideas are from the darkest age of all. While pretending to be enlightened, you force others into a state of conflict.
You seem to have light and dark backwards, and have no idea about conflict.

People have nations for the same reason their houses have walls and a ceiling.
Protection from the elements?

When there are no boundaries, people can hurt you.
And look how good those boundaries did in WWII, or the countless other conflicts.

Walls keep people from raping or murdering us.
Which is why no one ever gets raped or murdered inside. Oh wait. They do all the time.

The purpose of religion (while completely messed up) is to teach human beings how to be connected.
No, the purpose of religion is to control people.


Religion, particularly the evolution of religion is how humans evolve.
And part of that evolution is discarding outdated garbage.

Re: WHY would the government trick us?
« Reply #929 on: December 23, 2024, 04:56:14 AM »
I thought we had art because of the gays....