WHY would the government trick us?

I bet you applaud loudly every time the government gives you a "tax refund". Are you aware the with all the forms that business owners give to people, they already know exactly what you make?

If you look at the various tax forms, schedules and such, you might notice that it isn’t so much about how much money you made as how much you spent on things that are tax deductible and will get you a bigger return.   That’s why itemizing your deductions can be such a pain.

Wow, that takes some serious level brainwashing.

Your delusional BS?
Most certainly.

How utterly brainwashed or dishonest do you have to be to claim the government has a monopoly on supply when there are countless car manufacturers making electric cars?
How utterly brainwashed or dishonest do you have to be to claim that is in any way comparable to closing all places you can buy food except Maccas?

This thread asks "why would the government trick us," and in complete naivety , people here think that's a serious question.Let's look at the Apollo 11 moon landing:

You mean lets jump topic yet again, to something already discussed with your dishonest delusional BS entirely refuted already?

All because you cannot defend your dishonest delusional BS.

Why don't you address what was already raised?

Why should companies be allowed to sell products which harm others? i.e. harming people who do not consent who are not using it?
If you think they should be allowed to do this, do you think they should still be able to sell cars which use leaded fuel?
Was the government banning leaded fuel making a government monopoly on cars?
Because that would be equivalent to the delusional BS you are saying.

And now let's look at Eric Dubay's critique on the lunar module

No. If you think it has a valid point, make it here. Don't tell me to watch his dishonest BS.

I want you to think about this. More than the 1/2 seconds you've been doing. Eric Dubay, if he gets money at all, gets it from getting subscribers and over a threshold of views (he has about 214K subscribers, and his average number of views is in about to 40K range, no he doesn't make money from you).

Wrong again. They make money from all monetised views. There is no threshold.
He also makes money from useful fools like you spamming his dishonest BS all over the place.

This same government paid your media to show you a bunch of hoax pictures of a guy walking in slow motion

No, they showed someone walking on the moon.
Your irrational hatred of reality doesn't change that.

If they wanted money, they would use the black budget.

Biden kinda sorta now controls gas prices, or haven't you noticed how they've been able rise way up thanks to the gas infrastructure being hacked. It's pretty clear who benefited from that hack. "But he paid the ransomware..." Yeah, to himself. How gullible are you?

How gullible are you?
You are spouting paranoid conspiracy BS with no evidence at all.

You hate reality so much, you just accept all this dishonest BS.
Here is a question for you? Who stands to make the most money from it?
The oil companies.
So if anyone was behind it in a conspiracy of yours, why wouldn't it be them?

As businesses move to the cashless model, the one who ultimately benefits is those who tax them

No, they don't.
The only way in which they benefit is by having it harder for criminals to evade paying taxing.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 30, 2024, 05:11:14 AM

I bet you applaud loudly every time the government gives you a "tax refund". Are you aware the with all the forms that business owners give to people, they already know exactly what you make?

If you look at the various tax forms, schedules and such, you might notice that it isn’t so much about how much money you made as how much you spent on things that are tax deductible and will get you a bigger return.   That’s why itemizing your deductions can be such a pain.

If you'll notice, returns are only a part of your earnings taken. In other words, you never make more than you pay, not unless you're cheating. This means you are not really paid for taxes, but paid back. This matters, as often you don't have enough to make ends meet, and you are not being charged for the time spent filling out forms.
You spend hours hunting down the stray receipts and what have you, and if the government decides for any reason that you did something wrong, they invade your home and subject you to stress and hardship. If you were reimbursed for your efforts, it would be one thing, but no, you're filling out arduous forms just to make sure they take less. And the forms in question are deliberately complicated so that an industry which doesn't need to exist in the first place can get a cut for (supposedly) getting you a better return.

If the government really wanted your money, they could simply get a cut directly from your paycheck. They know exactly how much you earn. I know this because I have pay stubs from my old job. It tells the income received, the tax in state, the federal tax, the medicare and the social security. Particularly corrupt states might even have more on the paycheck.What for?!? Supposedly it's for the cost of government, but I never signed on for these assholes to overspend. More importantly, there's the great irony that government can actually function better if they tax less often. You think I'm kidding, but I'll give an example:

A rich man who saves what he inherited and a poor man live near each other. The latter earns money from the former.
Scenario 1: 10% tax (paycheck, no form) - over the course of a year, the rich man pays the poor man $4000 a month, resulting in $48000 a year. At 10%, the government gets a nice chunk of change from each earner, while the poor man gets to keep $3600 of every $4000. The poor man enjoys working for the rich man, and the rich man appreciates his work.

But that simply won't do! We much punish businesses and the rich!

Scenario 2: 70% tax (paid by income over $15k, long form) - The rich man either refuses to pay the poor man, who asks him for higher and higher wages, or pays him under the table. Because the rich man is not making money, his income is not taxed (as before). But he will also scheme to hide his money from the government, because now he fears it being taken. If the poor man does get money under the table, it will be a fraction of what it was before, in most cases. Even if the rich man wanted to pay him, since it was originally his money, he couldn't stand to see it stolen away like this. After all, 70% taxes just leaves $14,400. You notice how I said raising the tax to 70% didn't affect the rich guy? It's because outside woke globalist fantasyland, this is how taxes really go down.  The rich feel they earned their money (funny how this works) and the more the system tries to go after them, the more they hide their wealth.

Well, you ask, this still does take more, doesn't it? The answer is no. What ultimately results from high taxes is tightening of purse strings. This means a few people are rich, and the rest are unemployed or grossly underworked or underpaid. If a hundred thousand people made $48,000 before all that, and then you tax like that, some of them will quit in despair. Some will try to game the system, earning just under the threshold of taxes. Some will keep trying only to work themselves to death. Still others are no longer paid a decent wage. The higher the taxes are, the more an instrument of hardship they are. For example, if your house costs $125,000 and the mortgage is at the threshold of what you earn, those little taxes tighten the screws just enough that you might have to file for homelessness. They also increase the costs of goods (making cost of living even worse) by have businesses charge more to offset what they are paying. This is not them being "greedy" this is them being raped by government. To say nothing of filling out forms for hours.

If you'll notice, returns are only a part of your earnings taken. In other words, you never make more than you pay

Why not try saying that in a more simple, straightforward an honest way.
When they determine how much tax you should have paid, that will never be a negative amount.

No one is forcing you to go through the effort of calculating tax deductions.
If you want, just pay full tax and don't bother with receipts.

If the government really wanted your money, they could simply get a cut directly from your paycheck. They know exactly how much you earn.

And that system means loads of people would pay more.
For example, if you use your car to drive people at work, you can claim some of that back on tax.

You notice how I said raising the tax to 70% didn't affect the rich guy? It's because outside woke globalist fantasyland, this is how taxes really go down.  The rich feel they earned their money (funny how this works) and the more the system tries to go after them, the more they hide their wealth.

The only reason it did that was because you were not having the rich person earn anything.
You also just invented a completely ridiculous system.

What ultimately results from high taxes is tightening of purse strings.

No, that is from greedy people wanting more money.
Taxes have nothing to do with it.

If the government wanted to help people, they need to function at a loss. This is how real charities work, the people involved give at least what they take.

The government instead is a business, and if we're being honest, a criminal enterprise.

Supposedly counterfeiting is illegal because it devalues currency. But let's think about this. The closer a counterfeiter gets to real money, the less it should matter. What actually devalues the currency is that realization that it's fiat currency, that it's all counterfeit. It's valuable, only because they say it is. Btw, overproduction of money does not cause inflation. If anything, it eases economic strain. We have a debt economy, where the government can literally print money, but they only do so when people loan, and always print less than the loan (so the house always wins).
You know what actually causes inflation? Scarcity. If I am Zimbabwe, and I have literal gold lying around, but I've repossessed farms from the white (and black) farmers who knew how to farm, and developed poor relations with neighboring countries, I have to hand out billions in order to buy loaves of bread (again, it wasn't that money was overprinted, it's that there wasn't bread to buy). Money is inflated because the government likes it. It is east to pay off debts when you have an inflated economy, but the government never thinks that maybe there is a way to do this without hurting the people it rules. This is because while the mafia are stone-cold killers, they love their family and the community. Put the government out of power, and let the mafia legalize all manner of vice. They would surely legalize marijuana use. Government only does it if they can tax it.
The government literally keeps its public poor and on the dole, so they will vote for more government. No, I vote for less government. That I live in the forest somewhere, don't have to report my address to a bank as anything other than The Forest, (City), VA (Zipcode). I can hunt and fish (poorly) and farm, or I can rely on scraps of paper that an abusive governmental mafia doles out as a loan with interest that eventually will come due. The days of this government are numbered.

Why would the government lie to us? "The government protects us from big business." You said that. Oh it's true. Until you realize that big business is the right to thrive, and that they pay the public, unlike the government , who every dollar they pay, raises taxes by $1.50.

By the way. My last tax season, I falsified taxes in the government's favor. I didn't work any that year. I allowed my dad to pay into social security. If you want an idea of how corrupt government is, they will allow you to pay what you don't actually have, as long as they get their money. The crime is only when you owe them.

If the government wanted to help people, they need to function at a loss.

That would be impossible to do long term. They would run out of money and not be able to function.
If the government wants to help people, they need to try to function at no net change. And that typically means having a small surplus which is stored, to be used when needed when the government then has a loss.

Instead, the way they work is by having a progressive tax system, where the more you earn the more you pay, both in absolute terms and proportional terms.

That way those who can afford to pay more do, and those who can't afford it pay less.

The government instead is a business, and if we're being honest, a criminal enterprise.

No, that is if you are being a paranoid conspiracy nut with no concern for the truth.
Basically as far away from being honest as you possibly can be.

Supposedly counterfeiting is illegal because it devalues currency. But let's think about this. The closer a counterfeiter gets to real money, the less it should matter.

No, that is the more it should matter.
If it is clearly fake so no one believes it or uses it, it has no impact. Which is why Monopoly is fine.
But if it is identical to real money, then no one can tell, so the total amount of the money increases and the value of it decreases.

It being fiat currency doesn't devalue it.
Criminals printing extra money does.

Btw, overproduction of money does not cause inflation.

No, that is an incredibly simple way to cause inflation.
Look at Zimbabwe, which made so much money that they were buying trivial things for billions of dollars.

it wasn't that money was overprinted, it's that there wasn't bread to buy

Then how come the inflation problem stopped when the stopped using their own money and instead started to use money they could rely upon.

The problem was printing so much money.
So that if you got 1 million dollars one month for a decent sale, that would be worth virtually nothing quite soon because of just how much money is printed.

Put the government out of power, and let the mafia legalize all manner of vice.

So you want to put the government of elected officials out of power, and replace it with a literal criminal enterprise that will destroy shops if you don't pay them money to protect you from them (noting that it doesn't protect you from others, the sole purpose of this money is to not have them destroy your stuff. It also doesn't go back to the community with things like roads or other essential services).

What you are effectively promoting is a dictatorship.

No, I vote for less government.

Because you are a useful fool, keeping the rich in power.

I can rely on scraps of paper that an abusive governmental mafia doles out as a loan

And then breaks your legs when you can't pay.

Until you realize that big business is the right to thrive

No, it isn't.
Big businesses are about exploiting your workers as much as possible and extracting as much money as you can from them.

By the way. My last tax season, I falsified taxes in the government's favor. I didn't work any that year. I allowed my dad to pay into social security. If you want an idea of how corrupt government is, they will allow you to pay what you don't actually have, as long as they get their money. The crime is only when you owe them.

Just like if you go and buy a pizza, they are fine with you paying more. You tipped the government. You must think they did a great job.

Actually, it were up to me, I wouldn't pay them a nickel. My folks think I'll not manage without them. And they probably right. Emotionally. I don't really care about money as I don't really have anything I want to buy, and don't really care about staying alive either. But if it sets their mind at ease that I might have SS, whatever.

As for doing a good job, I have an article in the latest newspaper that mail might be delayed. Our state is already one of the worst in the country, and rather than fixing a known problem with centralizing to single bad depot, I think they even gave themselves a raise.
Our road crews frequently scrape the top layer (ruining tires and shocks) of roads that don't need to be fixed, while totally neglecting other roads to the point of potholes. Either they screw up from doing too little or far too much.

Before this "tip", I hadn't paid taxes (no real earnings) sin about 2021 or so. If it were up to me, this government should be bled dry.

Actually, it were up to me, I wouldn't pay them a nickel.

Yes, you are nice and greedy, and just want everything for yourself.
Do you ever use things like roads? Who do you think pays for them?
Would you like firefighters to help if anything goes wrong?
What about police?

And while it clearly failed you, you at least had the chance of getting an education.

Who will pay for them without taxes?
The Mafia certainly wont.

Actually, it were up to me, I wouldn't pay them a nickel. My folks think I'll not manage without them. And they probably right. Emotionally. I don't really care about money as I don't really have anything I want to buy, and don't really care about staying alive either. But if it sets their mind at ease that I might have SS, whatever.

As for doing a good job, I have an article in the latest newspaper that mail might be delayed. Our state is already one of the worst in the country, and rather than fixing a known problem with centralizing to single bad depot, I think they even gave themselves a raise.
Our road crews frequently scrape the top layer (ruining tires and shocks) of roads that don't need to be fixed, while totally neglecting other roads to the point of potholes. Either they screw up from doing too little or far too much.

Before this "tip", I hadn't paid taxes (no real earnings) sin about 2021 or so. If it were up to me, this government should be bled dry.

Hmm, there is a poignant saying in the bible: "Idle hands are the devil's work". This means that those with nothing to do usually get up to mischief or criminality.

This looks like the direction you are heading. Flat earther today and mafia crime boss tomorrow.

You're the sort of guy who gets busted driving unregistered, uninsured, unlicensed, and speeding, and turns to the Police officer and says, "You're just revenue raising. I wasn't hurting anybody. What crime have I committed?"

Hmm, there is a poignant saying in the bible: "Idle hands are the devil's work". This means that those with nothing to do usually get up to mischief or criminality.

This looks like the direction you are heading. Flat earther today and mafia crime boss tomorrow.

It is also said, "Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

The law, if it is wicked, seeks only to guilt trip people into paying taxes in the name of public interest. Yes, public interest is correct. The public is interested in your money.

As far as cars go, I don't pay insurance. If I had to manage without my folks, I'd probably live somewhere that most things are in walking distance or there's a bus line. I simply don't drive often enough to warrant all the yearly hassle.
And let's be honest, that inspection thing is a serious nuisance. Government can indeed allow the public to live without treating them like primary school kids. In primary school, they made you get a hall pass to go pee. In college, if you wanted to skip class, it's your money you are wasting. Insurance should not be required nor inspection. If your car fails as a result, you 100% have nobody but yourself to blame.

Government can indeed fund all of its operations without annoying the public.
1. VAT. If the public knows the total price of a sales tax, they don't have to account for it.
2. Automated payroll tax. An employer simply types in a payroll amount. Computer notifies the government, deposits its cut into every paycheck, and the paycheck is spat out.
3. Same for cars or real estate.
The point being that taxes as they stand represent a public nuisance. They allow the government claim on something they did no work on, and they require time and calculation that doesn't need to be spent. If the government has authority, they can simply take.


Not paying taxes is not a crime if you have no income. Income tax charges for what you make. I don't make anything. My work is to spread the good news. Why, that Earth is flat and illusory, of course! What good news did you think think I meant?

Government can indeed allow the public to live without treating them like primary school kids.

If people weren't as selfish as you, yes, they could.
But there are too many people who want things for themselves and don't care who else has to suffer because of it.

e.g. for cars, people will not get insurance, then get into an accident and end up causing lots of damage which they can't pay for.
So now the person who has had things damaged needs to pay for it themselves, even though they didn't cause it.
Likewise, inspections are primarily to make sure it is safe to drive and wont kill OTHERS! But it does also help identify some issues which would damage the roads.

1. VAT. If the public knows the total price of a sales tax, they don't have to account for it.

Civilised countries already do this.
The problem is the US likes having loads of different tax areas with different rates making it complicated to advertise and sell online.

2. Automated payroll tax. An employer simply types in a payroll amount. Computer notifies the government, deposits its cut into every paycheck, and the paycheck is spat out.

For the most part, already done.
The question is if you want any deductions?

Another complication is what if the amount you earn varies each week, and you work multiple jobs?
Do these systems all need to talk to each other to see how much you get paid for each job vs how much is kept as tax?
Should such a system assume you are working a constant rate throughout the year, or should it start with the lowest tax bracket at the start of the year then increase the tax rate as the total money you have earnt that year increases?

The point being that taxes as they stand represent a public nuisance. They allow the government claim on something they did no work on, and they require time and calculation that doesn't need to be spent.

And which part are you objecting to? The claim or the calculation?
If the former, your points above don't change it. If the latter, see above.

My work is to spread the good news. Why, that Earth is flat and illusory, of course!

That isn't news. That is delusional BS.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 02, 2024, 09:07:19 PM

Government can indeed allow the public to live without treating them like primary school kids.

If people weren't as selfish as you, yes, they could.
But there are too many people who want things for themselves and don't care who else has to suffer because of it.

e.g. for cars, people will not get insurance, then get into an accident and end up causing lots of damage which they can't pay for.
So now the person who has had things damaged needs to pay for it themselves, even though they didn't cause it.
Likewise, inspections are primarily to make sure it is safe to drive and wont kill OTHERS! But it does also help identify some issues which would damage the roads.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 02, 2024, 09:07:19 PM

1. VAT. If the public knows the total price of a sales tax, they don't have to account for it.

Civilised countries already do this.
The problem is the US likes having loads of different tax areas with different rates making it complicated to advertise and sell online.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 02, 2024, 09:07:19 PM

2. Automated payroll tax. An employer simply types in a payroll amount. Computer notifies the government, deposits its cut into every paycheck, and the paycheck is spat out.

For the most part, already done.
The question is if you want any deductions?

Another complication is what if the amount you earn varies each week, and you work multiple jobs?
Do these systems all need to talk to each other to see how much you get paid for each job vs how much is kept as tax?
Should such a system assume you are working a constant rate throughout the year, or should it start with the lowest tax bracket at the start of the year then increase the tax rate as the total money you have earnt that year increases?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 02, 2024, 09:07:19 PM

The point being that taxes as they stand represent a public nuisance. They allow the government claim on something they did no work on, and they require time and calculation that doesn't need to be spent.

And which part are you objecting to? The claim or the calculation?
If the former, your points above don't change it. If the latter, see above.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 02, 2024, 09:07:19 PM

My work is to spread the good news. Why, that Earth is flat and illusory, of course!

That isn't news. That is delusional BS.

The point is, these could be enough for modern governments. Either they tighten their spending, or they have more such automated taxes.

Instead they insist on terrorizing the American (and other countries, I suppose) people by forcing taxes like car tax or house property tax. Income tax. And inheritance tax.

Liberals are deeply jealous of other people. To such an extent that they never understand they cause their own misery. This is true from the voter, on up to the top tier politician who makes nine or twelve figures.

 "We need to tax the rich," politicians say. And stupid jealous voters agree. So big economic infrastructure is put into place rather than automatic system. The rich liberal politicians want to be exempt from their own taxes, but naturally with the public watching, they have to now resort to tricks. Even if they suceed, it's never enough. But for regular people, they ask, " Wait, I voted to tax the rich! Why does it seem like I'm worse off? " Because, stupid, you are rich in the eyes of government. And the very rich try to not pay, as do the very poor like me.

In terms of taxes, the worst as those is income (as it potentially results in in income being seized or paychecks being halted, and it creates massive headaches foe everyone who did poorly in math), followed closely by property tax (you work the majority of your life to buy a home, but the state can seize it through unpaid or bad forms). Then by inheritance tax (if there's a dramatic difference between what children make and parents make, the children might be without inheritance, because the tax is paid before you can collect, not after) and prize tax (see inheritance tax; seriously that's screwed up when game show contestants have to sell their own prizes, also the supposed value of items counts as money, even though it is often overpriced).

The automatic taxes I mentioned all have one thing in common, you can't "not pay," especially if done right. This means there is no penalty. Every time you get a VAT, the government collects, every time you don't it's because that item is exempt or you're not buying that day. Taxes should always be a cut of things, not something you the taxpayer should have to "refer to section 24-B, now fill out line 8. Whoops! You did line 9 instead, this means I get to take your child's birthday present." (Yes, I had a birthday tax as part of a story, the kid started crying and her mom was like "They'll pay!!!") Any time taxpayers have to set aside their own money to worry about Uncle Sam, that's money they don't have available if there's emergency repairs to be done, whereas with payroll tax, even if it's 80% (please no), that's money that is now yours and you don't have to fuss about saving the money.

Once again youre condused


Theyre not jealous
Theyre dying
Starving
Uneducated
Medical bankeuptcy
Homeless


Moron gets to live with dad...
Wonder how the congregati9n feels supporting a pedocrossdressingpinlhairedmentalwhocantgethisownjob?




Look up "privatized profits, socialized losses".
Big corp are given massive tax breaks.
But infrastructure still costs money.
That money comes out of wageeseners salaries.
And thats limited if its a fsctory with min wagers.
And the profits get shipped out of town back to HQ.

Yes no?

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Hmm, there is a poignant saying in the bible: "Idle hands are the devil's work". This means that those with nothing to do usually get up to mischief or criminality.

This looks like the direction you are heading. Flat earther today and mafia crime boss tomorrow.

It is also said, "Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

The law, if it is wicked, seeks only to guilt trip people into paying taxes in the name of public interest. Yes, public interest is correct. The public is interested in your money.

As far as cars go, I don't pay insurance. If I had to manage without my folks, I'd probably live somewhere that most things are in walking distance or there's a bus line. I simply don't drive often enough to warrant all the yearly hassle.
And let's be honest, that inspection thing is a serious nuisance. Government can indeed allow the public to live without treating them like primary school kids. In primary school, they made you get a hall pass to go pee. In college, if you wanted to skip class, it's your money you are wasting. Insurance should not be required nor inspection. If your car fails as a result, you 100% have nobody but yourself to blame.

Government can indeed fund all of its operations without annoying the public.
1. VAT. If the public knows the total price of a sales tax, they don't have to account for it.
2. Automated payroll tax. An employer simply types in a payroll amount. Computer notifies the government, deposits its cut into every paycheck, and the paycheck is spat out.
3. Same for cars or real estate.
The point being that taxes as they stand represent a public nuisance. They allow the government claim on something they did no work on, and they require time and calculation that doesn't need to be spent. If the government has authority, they can simply take.


Not paying taxes is not a crime if you have no income. Income tax charges for what you make. I don't make anything. My work is to spread the good news. Why, that Earth is flat and illusory, of course! What good news did you think think I meant?

What you are saying is you are unemployed and living with your parents? Have I got this right? So you're caring for one or both of your parents on a farm?

Now I'm beginning to understand your isolation and how your idle hands led you down the YouTube path to conspiracy theories, arriving at Flat Earth. Conspiracy theories like flat earth are most certainly the devil's work. The devil being counterproductive activity, that is.

You can obviously read and write and are articulate. What's preventing you finding any work?

Admittedly, I've been working two jobs for the past 12 months, being my primary employment and my secondary employment. At tax time, I discovered I was getting taxed 47 cents for every dollar I made in my secondary employment. And no, my membership on this forum is neither my primary or secondary employment, as you daydreamed it is.

I hope that church you are a part of, shares in your enthusiasm for flat earth. Most churches wouldn't. Jesus never taught the Earth was flat.

Instead they insist on terrorizing the American (and other countries, I suppose) people by forcing taxes like car tax or house property tax. Income tax. And inheritance tax.

You already included all bar inheritance tax in a simple calculated way.

You also are yet to show how this is terrorizing them.

Liberals are deeply jealous of other people. To such an extent that they never understand they cause their own misery. This is true from the voter, on up to the top tier politician who makes nine or twelve figures.

You are confusing liberals with republicans.
Were foolish people like you agree that rich people shouldn't be taxed, because you have the foolish belief that it will make you better off, but instead it just ends up making you worse off, with the rich getting richer, and you paying more of the tax.

The automatic taxes I mentioned all have one thing in common, you can't "not pay," especially if done right.

So you should be able to address the complications I raised?

The simple system is everyone pays the same rate for all income.
This will naturally mean those who are poor who can't afford it will be paying far too much, while those who are rich who can easily afford to pay more, will end up paying less.
Is that the system you are advocating for?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 02, 2024, 09:07:19 PM

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Hmm, there is a poignant saying in the bible: "Idle hands are the devil's work". This means that those with nothing to do usually get up to mischief or criminality.

This looks like the direction you are heading. Flat earther today and mafia crime boss tomorrow.

It is also said, "Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

The law, if it is wicked, seeks only to guilt trip people into paying taxes in the name of public interest. Yes, public interest is correct. The public is interested in your money.

As far as cars go, I don't pay insurance. If I had to manage without my folks, I'd probably live somewhere that most things are in walking distance or there's a bus line. I simply don't drive often enough to warrant all the yearly hassle.
And let's be honest, that inspection thing is a serious nuisance. Government can indeed allow the public to live without treating them like primary school kids. In primary school, they made you get a hall pass to go pee. In college, if you wanted to skip class, it's your money you are wasting. Insurance should not be required nor inspection. If your car fails as a result, you 100% have nobody but yourself to blame.

Government can indeed fund all of its operations without annoying the public.
1. VAT. If the public knows the total price of a sales tax, they don't have to account for it.
2. Automated payroll tax. An employer simply types in a payroll amount. Computer notifies the government, deposits its cut into every paycheck, and the paycheck is spat out.
3. Same for cars or real estate.
The point being that taxes as they stand represent a public nuisance. They allow the government claim on something they did no work on, and they require time and calculation that doesn't need to be spent. If the government has authority, they can simply take.


Not paying taxes is not a crime if you have no income. Income tax charges for what you make. I don't make anything. My work is to spread the good news. Why, that Earth is flat and illusory, of course! What good news did you think think I meant?

What you are saying is you are unemployed and living with your parents? Have I got this right? So you're caring for one or both of your parents on a farm?

Now I'm beginning to understand your isolation and how your idle hands led you down the YouTube path to conspiracy theories, arriving at Flat Earth. Conspiracy theories like flat earth are most certainly the devil's work. The devil being counterproductive activity, that is.

You can obviously read and write and are articulate. What's preventing you finding any work?

Admittedly, I've been working two jobs for the past 12 months, being my primary employment and my secondary employment. At tax time, I discovered I was getting taxed 47 cents for every dollar I made in my secondary employment. And no, my membership on this forum is neither my primary or secondary employment, as you daydreamed it is.

I hope that church you are a part of, shares in your enthusiasm for flat earth. Most churches wouldn't. Jesus never taught the Earth was flat.

He never taught that the world is round, either! 

Jesus taught alt-medicine, to love your neighbors and even at times your enemies, to forgive sins, and to free people from spiritual slavery.
Btw, globalism is spiritual slavery. The results of the actions of the big global elite were the COVID "pandemic" and the reason pandemic of people driven to suicide and covering for medical malpractice. The spiritual slavery of being forced by a bunch of stupid people who all behave like pack animals to believe something is something that needs to be addressed.
The truth is, you don't need to be a flat Earther anymore than a round Earther. What you do need though is to make up your own minds, and not have three people "gently persuade" you to being this or that.

My church doesn't have a profound effect on my beliefs. The people I meet at church, and only encounter once a week, and I have about four or five different churches: two in town, one near a bridge, one near the woods, and another on the outskirts of a city. Many of them, I don't even talk to. But yes, as a pack animal, you would associate the group that I attend with some kind of collective.
I don't let others influence my thinking. Not Eric Dubay, not my parents, not my Discord friends, not people here, not people in town I meet. I am lonesome because I utterly refuse to compromise who I am and what I stand for just to fit in. So if you think that my church friends can straighten me out, nope. The best they can do is occasionally make me feel less lonely.

WWJD? Well, he sure as hell wouldn't approve of this sorta shit. The systematic isolation of people to get them to fall in line with globalism. This is what the last 30 years of digital culture has been. The hyping of "connectedness" while depression rose and rose. People don't meet in-person, they don't feel meaningfully connected, and the church, instead of addressing this need, utterly failed them. No, I follow Jesus. Not the church. The church fell in line to a large extent with the betrayal of society.

Funny and unsurprising youve yet to show a GOP/ maga polciy that aligns with WWJD policy...



How many of those churches send money to your dad?

Quote from: Smoke Machine on September 03, 2024, 12:49:50 PM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 02, 2024, 09:07:19 PM

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Hmm, there is a poignant saying in the bible: "Idle hands are the devil's work". This means that those with nothing to do usually get up to mischief or criminality.

This looks like the direction you are heading. Flat earther today and mafia crime boss tomorrow.

It is also said, "Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

The law, if it is wicked, seeks only to guilt trip people into paying taxes in the name of public interest. Yes, public interest is correct. The public is interested in your money.

As far as cars go, I don't pay insurance. If I had to manage without my folks, I'd probably live somewhere that most things are in walking distance or there's a bus line. I simply don't drive often enough to warrant all the yearly hassle.
And let's be honest, that inspection thing is a serious nuisance. Government can indeed allow the public to live without treating them like primary school kids. In primary school, they made you get a hall pass to go pee. In college, if you wanted to skip class, it's your money you are wasting. Insurance should not be required nor inspection. If your car fails as a result, you 100% have nobody but yourself to blame.

Government can indeed fund all of its operations without annoying the public.
1. VAT. If the public knows the total price of a sales tax, they don't have to account for it.
2. Automated payroll tax. An employer simply types in a payroll amount. Computer notifies the government, deposits its cut into every paycheck, and the paycheck is spat out.
3. Same for cars or real estate.
The point being that taxes as they stand represent a public nuisance. They allow the government claim on something they did no work on, and they require time and calculation that doesn't need to be spent. If the government has authority, they can simply take.


Not paying taxes is not a crime if you have no income. Income tax charges for what you make. I don't make anything. My work is to spread the good news. Why, that Earth is flat and illusory, of course! What good news did you think think I meant?

What you are saying is you are unemployed and living with your parents? Have I got this right? So you're caring for one or both of your parents on a farm?

Now I'm beginning to understand your isolation and how your idle hands led you down the YouTube path to conspiracy theories, arriving at Flat Earth. Conspiracy theories like flat earth are most certainly the devil's work. The devil being counterproductive activity, that is.

You can obviously read and write and are articulate. What's preventing you finding any work?

Admittedly, I've been working two jobs for the past 12 months, being my primary employment and my secondary employment. At tax time, I discovered I was getting taxed 47 cents for every dollar I made in my secondary employment. And no, my membership on this forum is neither my primary or secondary employment, as you daydreamed it is.

I hope that church you are a part of, shares in your enthusiasm for flat earth. Most churches wouldn't. Jesus never taught the Earth was flat.

He never taught that the world is round, either! 

Jesus taught alt-medicine, to love your neighbors and even at times your enemies, to forgive sins, and to free people from spiritual slavery.
Btw, globalism is spiritual slavery. The results of the actions of the big global elite were the COVID "pandemic" and the reason pandemic of people driven to suicide and covering for medical malpractice. The spiritual slavery of being forced by a bunch of stupid people who all behave like pack animals to believe something is something that needs to be addressed.
The truth is, you don't need to be a flat Earther anymore than a round Earther. What you do need though is to make up your own minds, and not have three people "gently persuade" you to being this or that.

My church doesn't have a profound effect on my beliefs. The people I meet at church, and only encounter once a week, and I have about four or five different churches: two in town, one near a bridge, one near the woods, and another on the outskirts of a city. Many of them, I don't even talk to. But yes, as a pack animal, you would associate the group that I attend with some kind of collective.
I don't let others influence my thinking. Not Eric Dubay, not my parents, not my Discord friends, not people here, not people in town I meet. I am lonesome because I utterly refuse to compromise who I am and what I stand for just to fit in. So if you think that my church friends can straighten me out, nope. The best they can do is occasionally make me feel less lonely.

WWJD? Well, he sure as hell wouldn't approve of this sorta shit. The systematic isolation of people to get them to fall in line with globalism. This is what the last 30 years of digital culture has been. The hyping of "connectedness" while depression rose and rose. People don't meet in-person, they don't feel meaningfully connected, and the church, instead of addressing this need, utterly failed them. No, I follow Jesus. Not the church. The church fell in line to a large extent with the betrayal of society.

The shape of the world was irrelevant to Jesus.

Today, the shape of our planet is inserted everywhere. We are reminded of the shape of the world we live in, constantly. Your use of the word, "globalism" simply refers to encompassing the whole world, while also reminding us we live on a globe.

If you want the flat earth movement to be productive, simply take the stance that the shape of the whole world is irrelevant to you and all other flat earthers, and all such reminders will be ignored.

Jesus taught alt-medicine, to love your neighbors and even at times your enemies, to forgive sins, and to free people from spiritual slavery.

I wouldn't call magic faith healing alt-medicine.
It is just religious BS.
As for spiritual slavery, the biggest example of that is organised religion like Christianity and Islam.
They have their people enslaved well.

Btw, globalism is spiritual slavery.

No, it isn't.
Not even close.

Instead it is recognising that we live on a planet with other people.

If you like, Jesus even promoted it, by wanting people to spread his cult.

The spiritual slavery of being forced by a bunch of stupid people who all behave like pack animals to believe something is something that needs to be addressed.

So you think addressing a serious health issue is slavery?

What you do need though is to make up your own minds

What you actually need is the ability to think critically to critically analyse claims, or recognise you completely lack such an ability and defer to people who can who you trust.

I don't let others influence my thinking. Not Eric Dubay,

Yet you seem to be quite happy to accept his delusional BS as truth.

WWJD? Well, he sure as hell wouldn't approve of this sorta shit. The systematic isolation of people to get them to fall in line with globalism.

You mean isolation to stop the spread of a disease which cost lots of lives.
Jesus wouldn't need to. He could toss some magic pixie dust and have COVID eradicated.
Another reason why belief in a god that cares about people is clearly delusional.

But back in reality, where that magic doesn't exist, we can't just toss some magic pixie dust.
If we want to eradicate a disease, we need to isolate people with it, or vaccinate enough of the population to stop the spread before it mutates too much to make that vaccine ineffective.

The shape of the world was irrelevant to Jesus.

Today, the shape of our planet is inserted everywhere. We are reminded of the shape of the world we live in, constantly. Your use of the word, "globalism" simply refers to encompassing the whole world, while also reminding us we live on a globe.

If you want the flat earth movement to be productive, simply take the stance that the shape of the whole world is irrelevant to you and all other flat earthers, and all such reminders will be ignored.

Nice trick, inserting the word "planet" into this. Earth is a world, not a planet.

What's the difference? Well, a planet (πλανωμένοι ἀστέρες) is a wandering star. This wasn't poetic language as modern scientists seem to think. The planets are stars, sources of light. This is why you can see Venus. It casts its own light.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet

Nice trick, inserting the word "planet" into this. Earth is a world, not a planet.

Earth is a planet. Your wilful rejection of reality wont change that.
But that is you playing semantics, and yet again entirely ignoring the point.

Well, a planet (πλανωμένοι ἀστέρες) is a wandering star.

Only to people who have no idea what they actually are.
They were bright points of light in the sky so they were called stars, to match the other bright points, and because they seemed to wander the sky taking strange paths that were not understood they were called wanderers.
But now we know better.

The planets are stars, sources of light. This is why you can see Venus. It casts its own light.

No, they don't.
They reflect light.
That is why your ability to see them depends on their location relative to the sun and you. It is also why they have phases, and why photos from Earth using telescopes can see Mars as "full" but not Venus.

You are still yet to provide any viable reason for why the government would lie about the shape of Earth, or to think rockets can't work in space.

It’s easily explainable why the government would lie about the Earth. In a religious aspect alone, going along with a spherical globe contradicts how the earth was created. A spherical earth follows the Big Bang theory. A geocentric flat earth follows the Bible. If governments want to discredit the Bible to the masses, they need simply to show how science disproves it. A spherical earth does this. It shows that we are not special and we were not created by a divine God. It makes us as humans insignificant and unimportant and only lucky we are here by chance in the vast ocean of space. A spherical earth allows more control. If humans thought we were on a flat plane then there must be an end. We would go try and find it like our ancestors did, explorers. But we don’t explore anymore because we were told that we know every place on earth and there is no point in exploring more. Now they have the pipe dream that we are going to mars. We aren’t going to mars. We were told in school that we don’t live in Antarctica because it’s too cold. Because of scientific research and preservation. The governments don’t give a damn about preservation. And Antarctica is -20F. Mars is -80F and we are talking about living there. If humans knew the earth was a flat plain they would do explore again.

The part about why rockets wouldn’t work in space??? The firmament… look up operation fishbowl. We can’t leave. We are contained.

In a religious aspect alone, going along with a spherical globe contradicts how the earth was created.

If that is the best you have, it isn't very much at all, and certainly isn't convincing to anyone but the most hard core religious fanatics.
And wouldn't it be easier to just have a different religion, and convince people to join that, including claiming there is a god that says this one is right.

A spherical earth allows more control.

No, it doesn't.
Religion does. Where they claim these rules come from a god, so you better obey or else you will suffer for eternity, instead of a man where you can disagree and not suffer for eternity.

If humans thought we were on a flat plane then there must be an end. We would go try and find it like our ancestors did, explorers. But we don’t explore anymore because we were told that we know every place on earth and there is no point in exploring more.

That makes no sense at all.
Regardless of if Earth is flat or round, if it is FINITE, you can map it all, and know all the places and there is no point exploring.
You would need Earth to be infinite to have no end to go on exploring without bounds.

But even on the finite RE, there is still plenty left to discover, and you can explore the skies as well.

The part about why rockets wouldn’t work in space??? The firmament… look up operation fishbowl. We can’t leave. We are contained.

And more fantasy.
There is no evidence of the firmament at all, and plenty for rockets going up to space.
Operation fishbowl has nothing at all to do with the firmament.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on September 04, 2024, 01:17:28 PM

The shape of the world was irrelevant to Jesus.

Today, the shape of our planet is inserted everywhere. We are reminded of the shape of the world we live in, constantly. Your use of the word, "globalism" simply refers to encompassing the whole world, while also reminding us we live on a globe.

If you want the flat earth movement to be productive, simply take the stance that the shape of the whole world is irrelevant to you and all other flat earthers, and all such reminders will be ignored.

Nice trick, inserting the word "planet" into this. Earth is a world, not a planet.

What's the difference? Well, a planet (πλανωμένοι ἀστέρες) is a wandering star. This wasn't poetic language as modern scientists seem to think. The planets are stars, sources of light. This is why you can see Venus. It casts its own light.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet

Your fear that God is not powerful or omnipresent enough, to create Earth as well as the rest of our solar system and universe, must be very crippling to you.

If you can't accept the larger universe, can you accept the microverse all around you instead? The microverse is equally as endless, the smaller you go.

Do you deny the existence of the microverse as well, because the bible makes no mention of it?

I sense you are a God fearing person. You're very afraid of what will happen when you die and God reads to you out aloud, the book of your life, aren't you? Are you afraid you might be sent to hell?

I've got news for you. None of us ever really die.

And you think we are tiny specks in an uncaring universe that is gradually expanding until all heat dies. God could indeed juggle an entire system of worlds. Or he could make one world that is the universe, and have it be much bigger than RE would have us believe.



Something like that. Could God make Earth bigger than we know about? Yes. But the point of your enormous universe is not to make new frontiers for humans to explore, but to convince us we are tiny.



Even the course of the Earth on RE is basically saying that instead of being content to stay put and be down-to-earth, the Earth drifts aimlessly in a circle. If you saw something going in the same path over and over, your first thought should be "hamster wheel". Things with purpose know what they are, and where they stand. They aren't pulled around by other things, they are leaders and other things follow them. The Earth in RE is shifted from master of its destiny to a servant, just as the RE globalist governments want all of us to be servants. Rather than hunting and fishing in the land God gave us, we are supposed to eat bugs to "fight climate change."
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/02/how-insects-positively-impact-climate-change/
The end goal of globalism is no food at all. We are the carbon they wish to get rid of.
https://blog.alor.org/on-eating-bugs-the-globalist-agenda-to-control-food-by-james-reed
The Earth does indeed have a macroverse and microverse. But the universe is Earth. I will however try any food I wish.

And you think we are tiny specks in an uncaring universe that is gradually expanding until all heat dies.

Yes, we get it. You are terrified of reality.

Something like that. Could God make Earth bigger than we know about?

Yes, a loving god could make a much better world than this one.

But the point of your enormous universe is not to make new frontiers for humans to explore, but to convince us we are tiny.

No, it is to accept reality. Something you appear to be terrified of, so you need to lie about it.

You should try to accept it some time, rather than living in denial.

Especially because again, just having a different religion is far more effective than convincing people Earth is round, so still no reason to lie.

And you think we are tiny specks in an uncaring universe that is gradually expanding until all heat dies. God could indeed juggle an entire system of worlds. Or he could make one world that is the universe, and have it be much bigger than RE would have us believe.



Something like that. Could God make Earth bigger than we know about? Yes. But the point of your enormous universe is not to make new frontiers for humans to explore, but to convince us we are tiny.



Even the course of the Earth on RE is basically saying that instead of being content to stay put and be down-to-earth, the Earth drifts aimlessly in a circle. If you saw something going in the same path over and over, your first thought should be "hamster wheel". Things with purpose know what they are, and where they stand. They aren't pulled around by other things, they are leaders and other things follow them. The Earth in RE is shifted from master of its destiny to a servant, just as the RE globalist governments want all of us to be servants. Rather than hunting and fishing in the land God gave us, we are supposed to eat bugs to "fight climate change."
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/02/how-insects-positively-impact-climate-change/
The end goal of globalism is no food at all. We are the carbon they wish to get rid of.
https://blog.alor.org/on-eating-bugs-the-globalist-agenda-to-control-food-by-james-reed
The Earth does indeed have a macroverse and microverse. But the universe is Earth. I will however try any food I wish.

Tiny specks is relative. Our solar system could be called a tiny speck compared to other galaxies. A single cell in your body is a speck compared to the size of your body, yet that same cell is a solar system compared to an atom or an electron that makes up that cell.

I'm going to tell you what your big problem is, because I can. You like to picture God as a male figure who looks a lot like jesus, sitting on a throne on a cloud, overlooking your entire flat disc world. That's what you like. That's what you see when you close your eyes and pray, too. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is just your personal preference. It is subjective.

If you want to be objective, god is omnipresent, and the entire physical universe is god's body. Your body is part of his body. You are in his body and God is in yours. Likewise, your consciousness is shared by God. God is within your thoughts and you are within god's thoughts. How could it not be the case? Do you really think you are separate from God?

Think outside the box once in a while and see where it takes you.

And you think we are tiny specks in an uncaring universe that is gradually expanding until all heat dies.

I hate to break it you you, but you're a tiny speck on an uncaring earth.  Why should being a tiny speck in an uncaring universe make you feel any worse?

God could indeed juggle an entire system of worlds.

Personally, I think that creating a clockwork universe is much more impressive than creating  a boring flat earth,

But the point of your enormous universe is not to make new frontiers for humans to explore, but to convince us we are tiny.

The two are not mutually exclusive, so why can't it be both?

Even the course of the Earth on RE is basically saying that instead of being content to stay put and be down-to-earth, the Earth drifts aimlessly in a circle.

RE does not say that the earth is "drifting aimlessly in a circle". 

If you saw something going in the same path over and over, your first thought should be "hamster wheel". Things with purpose know what they are, and where they stand. They aren't pulled around by other things, they are leaders and other things follow them.

I don't know about that.  A car's transmission has lots of things going in the same path over and over, yet it seems to have a pretty clear purpose.

The Earth in RE is shifted from master of its destiny to a servant, just as the RE globalist governments want all of us to be servants. Rather than hunting and fishing in the land God gave us, we are supposed to eat bugs to "fight climate change."
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/02/how-insects-positively-impact-climate-change/
The end goal of globalism is no food at all. We are the carbon they wish to get rid of.
https://blog.alor.org/on-eating-bugs-the-globalist-agenda-to-control-food-by-james-reed
The Earth does indeed have a macroverse and microverse. But the universe is Earth. I will however try any food I wish.

*sigh*  You do realize that the earth has been known to be round for over 2000 years, don't you?  Long before any globalist environmental agendas.  In fact, some of the early Greek philosophers claimed that the sphere is one of the perfect shapes, so naturally the gods would create the earth in the form of a perfect shape.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 06, 2024, 06:40:39 AM

And you think we are tiny specks in an uncaring universe that is gradually expanding until all heat dies. God could indeed juggle an entire system of worlds. Or he could make one world that is the universe, and have it be much bigger than RE would have us believe.



Something like that. Could God make Earth bigger than we know about? Yes. But the point of your enormous universe is not to make new frontiers for humans to explore, but to convince us we are tiny.



Even the course of the Earth on RE is basically saying that instead of being content to stay put and be down-to-earth, the Earth drifts aimlessly in a circle. If you saw something going in the same path over and over, your first thought should be "hamster wheel". Things with purpose know what they are, and where they stand. They aren't pulled around by other things, they are leaders and other things follow them. The Earth in RE is shifted from master of its destiny to a servant, just as the RE globalist governments want all of us to be servants. Rather than hunting and fishing in the land God gave us, we are supposed to eat bugs to "fight climate change."
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/02/how-insects-positively-impact-climate-change/
The end goal of globalism is no food at all. We are the carbon they wish to get rid of.
https://blog.alor.org/on-eating-bugs-the-globalist-agenda-to-control-food-by-james-reed
The Earth does indeed have a macroverse and microverse. But the universe is Earth. I will however try any food I wish.

Tiny specks is relative. Our solar system could be called a tiny speck compared to other galaxies. A single cell in your body is a speck compared to the size of your body, yet that same cell is a solar system compared to an atom or an electron that makes up that cell.

I'm going to tell you what your big problem is, because I can. You like to picture God as a male figure who looks a lot like jesus, sitting on a throne on a cloud, overlooking your entire flat disc world. That's what you like. That's what you see when you close your eyes and pray, too. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is just your personal preference. It is subjective.

If you want to be objective, god is omnipresent, and the entire physical universe is god's body. Your body is part of his body. You are in his body and God is in yours. Likewise, your consciousness is shared by God. God is within your thoughts and you are within god's thoughts. How could it not be the case? Do you really think you are separate from God?

Think outside the box once in a while and see where it takes you.

Who are you to tell me how I picture Jesus?



More importantly, God's throne is this world. Emmanuel means "God with us." Compared with your notion that God is somehow distantly ruling over an entire universe, the notion that God is looking after a single world that is far larger than your RE, and indeed is part of this world and its people is far more attractive than a universe filled with empty space.

I hate to break it you you, but you're a tiny speck on an uncaring earth.  Why should being a tiny speck in an uncaring universe make you feel any worse?

Spoken like a true globe Earth nihilist.


You would be impressed by this.

I'd immediately say, "Yeah about that."


Without God, your autonomous spinning globe doesn't work. But more importantly, who wants an autonomous spinning globe, anyway? Only a person who wants the globe to be autonomous.

autonomous /ô-tŏn′ə-məs/
adjective

1. Not controlled by others or by outside forces; independent.
2. Independent in mind or judgment; self-directed.
3. Independent of the laws of another state or government; self-governing.

"We can do it ourselves, Lord, we don't need you."

Oh? How's that working out?

Cuz it seems like the last hundred years while the world got more secular, we've had two World Wars, a Holocaust, communists starve and kill millions of people, senseless isolation, senseless poverty, senseless wars and destruction, and environmentalists claiming they can supply the world with energy. My dad read last night how much land they'd actually need to do it. Nine times the amount of land, of what was it? Ohio, Idaho, and the entirety of New England? Basically, to "save the environment" means utterly bulldozing all trees in existence to make room.

So how is that working out for you? Can I go ahead and say it? "Not well."

It might appeal to you to be in a spinning "globe" in the middle of cold and empty "space." But I don't need any part of that. I have seen how society functioned from reading history.

is far more attractive than a universe

Yes, we get it, you are terrified of reality.
But guess what? Something being nice doesn't make it true.
There are lots of things which I would love to be true, but I care more about my beliefs being true than them being nice.
Especially given that ignoring that can cause more suffering in the long run because you don't try to look for solutions.

e.g. it would be wonderful if cancer didn't exist. But I would prefer people recognise it does exist and try to get it treated early, rather than dying from it.

Without God, your autonomous spinning globe doesn't work.

Pure BS.
You are yet to show a single reason why.

But more importantly, who wants an autonomous spinning globe, anyway?

Who wants cancer?

Cuz it seems like the last hundred years while the world got more secular, we've had two World Wars, a Holocaust, communists starve and kill millions of people, senseless isolation, senseless poverty, senseless wars and destruction, and environmentalists claiming they can supply the world with energy.

And how much of that was caused by religion, or that religion significantly contributed to?

It might appeal to you to be in a spinning "globe" in the middle of cold and empty "space." But I don't need any part of that.

It might appeal to you to completely reject reality and think you live in a magical fantasyland, but that will be you living in fantasy.
Sane people accept reality, even if it isn't nice.
Crazy people (like you) reject reality, for a variety of reasons, including not having the mental stability to handle it.