What keeps the Sun and Flat Earth from crashing into each other?

I don't want to start a discussion on what causes gravity.  Whether it's gravitons or warped space-time or whatever,  it apparently manifests itself as force attracting masses to each other.

The combination of gravity and Newtonian circular motion explains well how the earth can stay in orbit around the sun without crashing into it due to the attractive force between them.

In Flat Earth theory, what keeps the earth and sun from crashing into each other due to that attractive force since there is no orbital centrifugal force countering it?

I guess from the fact that in four months no one has answered, it means no one can answer it.  Which makes sense because it's an unexplainable consequence of assuming the earth is flat.

One theory that some FE'ers around here subscribe to is Universal Acceleration.  That is, not only the the flat earth itself, but the sun, moon and other celestial objects are all accelerated together upwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s^2.  Not much is known about the nature of the accelerator, but I am assured that research continues.

The OP should realize that biographers and believers of Newton admit that he suffered from a debilitating mental condition.
 
The severity of his condition has led to negating the intent of any imbedded aspirational logic he was pushing forward in his theories.

It is one area the scientific community is having problems reconciling, when trying to defend themselves against the rising tide of provable claims made by the FE community.

The OP should realize that biographers and believers of Newton admit that he suffered from a debilitating mental condition.
 
The severity of his condition has led to negating the intent of any imbedded aspirational logic he was pushing forward in his theories.

It is one area the scientific community is having problems reconciling, when trying to defend themselves against the rising tide of provable claims made by the FE community.

In other words, you have no idea how to answer the question.

The OP should realize that biographers and believers of Newton admit that he suffered from a debilitating mental condition.
 
The severity of his condition has led to negating the intent of any imbedded aspirational logic he was pushing forward in his theories.

It is one area the scientific community is having problems reconciling, when trying to defend themselves against the rising tide of provable claims made by the FE community.

"Provable"  I don't think I've seen a single claim by flat earthers that anyone could call "provable".  Maybe I shouldn't say it that way.  Many claims are provable.  That's not the same thing as saying anything has been proven. 

A provable FET, that places the other side of coin to define a non-provable RET, will result in victory for FET 100% of the time.

The value of having such revealing discussions, is that it opens the eyes of many who have not considered truths of FET.

A provable FET, that places the other side of coin to define a non-provable RET, will result in victory for FET 100% of the time.

The value of having such revealing discussions, is that it opens the eyes of many who have not considered truths of FET.

Does anyone know what this person is talking about?

I came to this website to learn what evidence the flat earthers had to support their ideas, as well as to learn just what their ideas were.  I have found there are no ideas about the flat earth (other than that it is flat) which are agreed to by any significant portion of them.  This is largely (in my opinion) because there is no evidence of any sort to support flat earth ideas. 

When people try to discuss ideas that could support or refute flat earth ideas, it never results in anything remotely like a consensus, but instead turns into a turd hurling contest.  Not only is there no science, there's not even a reasonable discussion. 

No made up magical force called ‘gravity’ exists at all, that is a ball Earth invention, out of necessity for a speeding ball Earth in endless space!

No made up magical force called ‘gravity’ exists at all

That's right, no made up, nor magical force exists.
Gravity is a very real force which is neither made up nor magical.
It acts like other forces.
It is testable and verifiable and observable.

A provable FET, that places the other side of coin to define a non-provable RET, will result in victory for FET 100% of the time.

The value of having such revealing discussions, is that it opens the eyes of many who have not considered truths of FET.

  You can have that value only if you present these truths and prove them to be true. But here starts the problem...

No made up magical force called ‘gravity’ exists at all

Then what do you suppose this experiment is measuring if it's not the gravitational constant:
https://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/sites/sand.npl.washington.edu.eotwash/files/documents/prl85-2869.pdf

We cannot measure a made up idiotic force, holding no astronauts in space, yet holding onto a moon 200000 miles further out than the floating astronauts.

That’s one of the many things that prove it’s made up bs.

Orbit is also made up bs.

If it did exist, we’d prove it with two objects of different masses. Suspend both in air, near each other. See them stay in the same position forever and ever.

The objects would attract to each other, if a made up force existed.

Forces don’t have equal strength at all distances either. Only a made up force has that unique feature. 

Saying it has less strength higher above Earth doesn’t work either. Rockets have to ‘break free’ from the made up force, at high altitudes. Where it’s ‘weaker’ than on Earth, is stronger too, but only when you need it to be.

Anything you cannot resolve about the fairy tale is answered by that made up force. It explains all things, conflicting everywhere possible, then solved by excuses, leaving it as a shell without content anymore.

We cannot measure a made up idiotic force

But you can measure the real force of gravity.
You just don't want to because it would destroy your fantasy.

holding no astronauts in space

You have had this lie refuted countless times.
Those astronauts are in orbit.
The gravity of Earth is pulling them to Earth, but due to their sideways velocity, they orbit instead of crashing into Earth.
This is not hard to understand. Stop playing dumb, and stop lying.

That’s one of the many things that prove it’s made up bs.

And given it is a complete lie, that proves that YOU are spouting BS, because you can't actually refute it.

Orbit is also made up bs.

Why?
Because you hate it?

Do you also think tying an object to a string and spinning it around you is made up BS?

If it did exist, we’d prove it with two objects of different masses. Suspend both in air, near each other. See them stay in the same position forever and ever.

And what magic would you use to suspend them, such that the tiny gravitational force will be able to overcome the friction between them?

Do you mean something like the Cavendish experiment, which supports gravity?

Forces don’t have equal strength at all distances either.

Nor does gravity. One reason why things weigh less on the equator.

Saying it has less strength higher above Earth doesn’t work either.

Again, WHY?
Because you hate being wrong? You hate how reality doesn't match your delusional fantasy?

Rockets have to ‘break free’ from the made up force, at high altitudes.

You mean the real force.
Only if they are escaping Earth. If they are going to orbit, they don't need to "break free" as that orbit is based upon gravity.

And for the ones escaping, to do that they need to reach escape velocity. Something that exists for all forces with an inverse square law.

Anything you cannot resolve about the fairy tale is answered by that made up force. It explains all things, conflicting everywhere possible, then solved by excuses, leaving it as a shell without content anymore.

Again, why not try this honestly?
Gravity is a logical and consistent force which explains so much of what is observed in reality.
There are no conflicts, just lies by conmen like you.
But because you hate reality so much, you want to dismiss it as a fairly tale and claim that anything that works to support this reality is actually made up nonsense full of contradictions.

Even though you cannot show any fault with it, nor any contradictions. Nor can you provide a viable alternative?

If it did exist, we’d prove it with two objects of different masses. Suspend both in air, near each other. See them stay in the same position forever and ever.

Don't forget to turn off the earth's gravity first.

Quote from: turbonium2 on August 11, 2024, 01:42:05 AM

We cannot measure a made up idiotic force

But you can measure the real force of gravity.

To be fair, Einstein did show that gravity is not a force.

Your made up force conflicts everywhere.

Real forces don’t change in strength to different masses of objects, only your fake force needed to invent that crap.

Real forces act as one thing, one strength, outward to all beyond it. And it loses strength with more distance away from its source.

So if gravity were a real force, it would act like real forces do. Birds would be held to Earths surface like all other objects supposedly are held by it.

Then they came up with a new bs excuse. They said their made up force varied in strength of every different mass of each object. So it doesn’t have enough strength to pull down tiny insects and birds, using tiny strength on them, but way more strength to hold heavier objects, some of them anyway.

Every bs excuse is good for a bs made up farce.

Your made up force conflicts everywhere.

Yet you cannot show a single conflict.

Real forces don’t change in strength

Real forces are proportional to something.
As has been demonstrated repeatedly.
This is not a conflict.
This is you blatantly lying to pretend gravity isn't real.

So if gravity were a real force, it would act like real forces do.

And it does.

Birds would be held to Earths surface like all other objects supposedly are held by it.

Most objects don't have wings which they flap.

Then they came up with a new bs excuse. They said their made up force varied in strength of every different mass of each object.

No, from the start they pointed out that gravity is a force that is proportional to mass.
You need to keep lying by pretending this is somehow special and that "real forces" magically act with the same force all the time, which is why a solid aluminium ball is affected by the wind just like a piece of alfoil of the same mass. Oh wait, that's your fantasy not reality.

Every bs excuse is good for a bs made up farce.

You mean your BS?

So if gravity were a real force, it would act like real forces do. Birds would be held to Earths surface like all other objects supposedly are held by it.

Are you saying that real forces can't be overcome by other, stronger forces?

We cannot measure a made up idiotic force, holding no astronauts in space, yet holding onto a moon 200000 miles further out than the floating astronauts.

That’s one of the many things that prove it’s made up bs.

Orbit is also made up bs.

If it did exist, we’d prove it with two objects of different masses. Suspend both in air, near each other. See them stay in the same position forever and ever.

The objects would attract to each other, if a made up force existed.

Forces don’t have equal strength at all distances either. Only a made up force has that unique feature. 

Saying it has less strength higher above Earth doesn’t work either. Rockets have to ‘break free’ from the made up force, at high altitudes. Where it’s ‘weaker’ than on Earth, is stronger too, but only when you need it to be.

Anything you cannot resolve about the fairy tale is answered by that made up force. It explains all things, conflicting everywhere possible, then solved by excuses, leaving it as a shell without content anymore.

What is going on when you step on a bath room scale?

We cannot measure a made up idiotic force

Ha. You posted the above right after I posted this challenge:

Then what do you suppose this experiment is measuring if it's not the gravitational constant:

https://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/sites/sand.npl.washington.edu.eotwash/files/documents/prl85-2869.pdf

Stop bloviating and answer the question.

Real forces don’t change in strength to different masses of objects, only your fake force needed to invent that crap.

They do, otherwise why will a 100kg person be different from a 50kg person?

Real forces act as one thing, one strength, outward to all beyond it. And it loses strength with more distance away from its source.

What is this statement? I am having trouble to understand it.

So if gravity were a real force, it would act like real forces do. Birds would be held to Earths surface like all other objects supposedly are held by it.

Birds have wings, it is the same as how airplanes fly, as far as I am concerned, airplanes fly, they don't crash because they are too heavy.

Then they came up with a new bs excuse. They said their made up force varied in strength of every different mass of each object.

Yes, it is true, different mass experience different gravity, I am having trouble to see why it cannot.

So it doesn’t have enough strength to pull down tiny insects and birds, using tiny strength on them, but way more strength to hold heavier objects, some of them anyway.

A 178 tons Boeing 747 can fly in the sky with no problem, are you saying that airplane is also a fraud? The key is the bird and plane can generate enough force to cancel gravity and lift them upward, while a 60kg man cannot generate enough force to lift them upwards. It is called vector addition in math.

Every bs excuse is good for a bs made up farce.

You misspelled "force", plus it is not bs if you cannot comprehend Newtonian mechanics. 

Fixed positions like in a video game. Sun and the moon have a fixed height in a flat earth model.
They rotate for seasons, prospure life and create eclipse for biblical.

Fixed positions like in a video game. Sun and the moon have a fixed height in a flat earth model.
They rotate for seasons, prospure life and create eclipse for biblical.

That does not answer the question.  How could they have a fixed position with gravity attracting them to each other?

All actual forces are not constant, your made up force you claim is a constant doesn’t exist.

Same as all actual forces act out as one level of energy outward, which loses strength over more distance from its source. Objects act differently to the same energy, based on their different mass and density. Not with your made up force which knows each objects mass and density before acting on them with appropriate level of strength to ‘pull them all down at the same rate’!

Energy from forces, emit as one thing, one strength of energy, to all outward from it.

All actual forces are not constant

And gravity is not constant.
Instead, gravity depends on mass and distance.
Just like all forces depend on different factors.

Same as all actual forces act out as one level of energy outward

No, they have a particular strength of the field for a given distance.
That is not the same energy.

Objects act differently to the same energy, based on their different mass and density.

And various other properties.

We have been over this before.
For example, you can take two identical sheets of aluminium foil, crumpling one up, and subjecting them to the same wind, and get completely different effects.
Likewise, 2 objects with the same mass to charge ratio travelling at the same velocity are deflected the same by a magnetic field, even with different masses.

Actual forces emit a single level of energy or strength outward, at any given moment.

Forces don’t care what is out there, what the mass of each object is, forces act independently and objects act differently from other objects or the same, it’s not balanced out the same for all objects by a magical all-knowing force.

Your made up force uses that fairy tale story

What is going on when you step on a bath room scale?

You're transferring your dense mass of body displacement of the atmosphere your body is in to a moving scale plate from the ground and that displacement is registered on the moving scale plate due to your body resisting the crush and the scale plate resisting your body.

All pressure and the displacement of it by any dense mass within it.

Actual forces emit a single level of energy or strength outward, at any given moment.

Repeating the same dishonest BS will not help you.

All forces act with something that is proportional to the object.

Again, all it takes to show you are a lying POS is 2 sheets of alfoil and a fan. One as a flat sheet, one crumpled up as much as possible, then blow them both with the fan.

You're transferring your dense mass of body displacement of the atmosphere your body is in to a moving scale plate from the ground and that displacement is registered on the moving scale plate due to your body resisting the crush and the scale plate resisting your body.

So you are back to repeating this BS?

As we have been over countless times. The atmosphere pushes up, not down.
You have no basis for why it should push down at all.