How can you dismiss all the space footage?

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #150 on: March 26, 2024, 03:15:56 AM »

Yeah, we knew before you, guy. It was buoyancy. Buoyancy makes things rise and it makes them fall.

Buoyancy only exists in a body of a fluid.

We can remove the atmosphere from a chamber to the point atmosphere is negligible or meaningless.  And yet objects still accelerate down.  And as the atmosphere is removed that provides the medium for buoyancy, items weigh more. 

So things have weight and accelerate down to earth when the medium that provides buoyancy is removed.

Will Helium Filled Balloons Float or Sink In a Vacuum Chamber?




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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #151 on: March 26, 2024, 03:30:28 AM »
"Gravity" is a word that "Sir" Isaac Newton (Sir being a title of knighthood added to him for shilling for the Masonic globalist elites of the day) came up with to replace several already existing rules of science.
No, that is just your strawman.
Gravity was is use before Newton. Newton came up with an explanation for gravity, as mass attracting mass, rather than a magical downwards force proportional to mass.
That is all.
That then allowed other things to be explained with it.
It follow quite simple rules (in the low energy limit) and works to explain things quite well.

it isn't logically consistent
You keep repeating this, but the only attempts you have to demonstrate the inconsistency are outright lies.
You cannot show a single contradiction.

continuing with crap about objects in motion staying in motion or equal and opposite forces.
Entirely separate to gravity, and backed up by mountains of evidence.

Do you really think it possible that Newton did not know things fall until an apple possibly whacked him on the head? Dude, little toddlers know that things fall.
As above, they knew that things fell, and had a magical downwards force proportional to mass.
Newton proposed the idea that it wasn't a magical force, instead it was a force of attraction between masses.
And that worked.

Moreover, while his theory of gravity yield no direct inventions
Except things like gravimeters used to detect things like underground oil deposits.

buoyancy
Was nothing like the delusional BS you are presenting.
Even Archimedes recognises what you are saying is BS.
Buoyancy, as per Archimedes, is an UPWARDS FORCE based upon the WEIGHT of fluid displaced.
That relied upon gravity, i.e. weight.

It is not the fundamental force you pretend it is.

Buoyancy relies upon gravity.
This causes the pressure gradient.
This pressure gradient pushes things up.

You lying wont save you.

Every modern equation of buoyancy has (G) in it.
And the previous ones had it in disguise.
Again, Archimedes makes it clear, an object immersed in a fluid is buoyed UPWARDS by a force equal to the WEIGHT of the fluid displaced.
No weight, no buoyancy.
And this should make any honest, sane person realise that buoyancy is NOT a fundamental force.
But I guess that excludes you.

Buoyancy is a law.
Just like gravity. Yet you reject both laws, and instead replace it with delusional BS.
The law for buoyancy is quite simple F_B=W_fluid

The fundamental forces are all usable.
Just like gravity, and nothing like buoyancy without gravity.

The universe works because fluids of difference masses sort themselves out.
But why do they?

Gravity? No applications that cannot be attributed to something else.
That would be buoyancy that has nothing which cannot be attributed to something else.
Buoyancy is nothing more than a manifestation of gravity and electromagnetism.
You lying about that wont change it.

Buoyancy cannot explain why there is a pressure gradient in fluids.
It cannot explain why that pressure gradient remains.
It cannot explain why that pressure gradient is proportional to the density of the fluid.
It cannot explain why this doesn't magically push everything up in addition to your magic buoyancy.

But gravity can.
Gravity directly explains why there is a pressure gradient.
It explains why this is proportional to the density of the fluid.
It explains why this pressure does push everything up as the force known as buoyancy.

Buoyancy CANNOT be a fundamental force.

If you want to reject gravity and have any hope of coming even close to being logical, still to the ancient, inexplicable idea of weight.

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #152 on: March 26, 2024, 03:50:39 AM »
Bruh Archimedes and Newton both must be turning in their graves lol
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #153 on: March 26, 2024, 05:08:39 AM »
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Newton and Archimedes must be rolling in their graves.
Archimedes might be honored. Newton can go fuck himself.


Hah... *sighs*
Ok, do want me to, like, teach you highschool physics concepts one on one? There are so many things fundamentally wrong with how you think. Buoyancy is not a force. Ok, well, maybe it is, but is the consequences of another force, namely the attractive force between any two masses in the universe. Now I could go on and on about how and why you are wrong, but let's not. Cause I have something else to address.

You're not in a position to teach me anything. When you look up buoyancy, it repeatedly calls it an upward force.

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You're telling me Newton discovered *nothing*? Regardless of our disagreement between gravity, he discovered that light is composed of many colours,

Something that any idiot holding a crystal while the sun is up well before him discovered. Newton was not a scientist. He was what is called a natural philosopher. And no, that's not a "for his time" substitute. He was basically a dude who sat around and made pompous pronouncements. A narcissist. I've had enough of narcissists in my life, I certainly know one when I see one.

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introduced the three laws of motion,
Which are memes. But we'll talk about that later.

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invented calculus (well, Leibniz did too, but still),
You see? He's like Einstein in that Family Guy episode.


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formulated the law of cooling (which does not hold under huge difference but yeah) and made many other important mathematical discoveries. To call Newton a pretentious prick is to
have the correct assessment of the man.

 Any idiot can discover that things cool. But it takes genius to write laws of thermodynamics.

Let's talk about these memes.

Newton said,
1. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless an external force acts upon it. Similarly, if the object is at rest, it will remain at rest unless an unbalanced force acts upon it.
2. When a force acts on an object, it will cause the object to accelerate
3. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Now, you may not have noticed this, but all three of these (probably self-proclaimed) "laws" of motion have a sort of snappy patter sound to them. Similar to if I'm trying to sell a book or advertise something. They are more concerned with sounding memorable than being right, which is why I call them memes. But let's examine how right they are...
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« Last Edit: March 26, 2024, 05:31:20 AM by bulmabriefs144 »
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #154 on: March 26, 2024, 05:24:34 AM »
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1. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless an external force acts upon it. Similarly, if the object is at rest, it will remain at rest unless an unbalanced force acts upon it.
If I were to knock a series of balls tied to a string, it would seem like this "law" that things stay in motion would mean this process never stops. But this is in violation to real scientific laws, those of the laws of thermodynamics. Motion does indeed wind down, as energy is gradually lost through conversion. Only a rare few things exist in perpetual motion. The sun, the moon, the tides. Stuff like that exist as long as there is an Earth.

Similarly, objects change despite themselves when left in stasis. They gather dust or cobwebs, people set on a couch forever either become morbidly obese (whereupon the couch collapses and from staying at rest, they are suddenly in motion) or they starve to death and have to be moved due to the stench.
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2. When a force acts on an object, it will cause the object to accelerate
Not all forces are forces of motion. When entropy acts on an object, it generally causes it to lose energy (slow down)
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3. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
More snappy patter words to sell nonsense theories. Newton was a marketeer and a plagiarist, not a scientist. Is there always equal reaction? Is it always opposite? And how can he possibly say for every action?

In fact, he actually did self-proclaim these The Laws of Motion.
https://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/NATP00105

They weren't laws because of scientific method. They weren't laws because of peer review. They were laws because of practical usage.

They were laws because "Sir" Isaac Newton said so. And everyone went along with what he said. Excuse me, Newton, but you're no knight. I hereby undub thee Sir Isaac Newton. You are now "Just Some Hack."
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If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #155 on: March 26, 2024, 05:33:46 AM »
Ugh you guys distract him....





Focus up.



Why did bulmba draw the gravitational center outside the southern concave half of the globe?

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #156 on: March 26, 2024, 05:42:42 AM »

If I were to knock a series of balls tied to a string, it would seem like this "law" that things stay in motion would mean this process never stops. But this is in violation to real scientific laws, those of the laws of thermodynamics.


Why would an object slow down and stop if there is no forces acting on it?  What law does that violate?

But we know there is friction.

Now address the issues.

What causes air molecules to bunch up at earths surface and create a pressure gradient.

When you throw a ball straight up, what causes the ball to slow down faster than what can be attributed to air resistance.  What makes the ball stop mid air.  Makes the ball turn the direction of travel 180 degrees to fall back to earth.  And not only fall back to earth but accelerate, and accelerate in to increasingly more pressure, density, and resistance.

Why can I take a car in neutral that I can push around all day on a flat surface, but not push it up hill in any meaningful way.  What force fights me pushing a car up hill.  Same wheels, same mechanical advantage.

Show how you can better model the trajectory of a bullet more accurately  by ignoring gravity and using “buoyancy”.

Why for stable flight, the center of gravity for a rocket or an airplane must be ahead of the center of pressure.

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The resultant of the aerodynamic forces acts on a different point, the center of pressure. The design of the aircraft will determine the relative location of the center of pressure and the center of gravity. The lower diagram shows two cases that yield different stability behavior. In (a) the center of gravity is in front of the center of pressure and small yaw or pitch motions produce an aerodynamic force that tends to restore the system to its initial orientation - an aerodynamically stable situation. When the center of pressure is in front of the center of mass, the aerodynamic forces due to small yaw or pitch deflections increase these deflections and the system is aerodynamically unstable.



https://www.princeton.edu/~maelabs/hpt/mechanics/stability.htm


There is every indication something is working on mass that isn’t atmosphere.  And that is called gravity.

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #157 on: March 26, 2024, 05:48:08 AM »
Ugh
Again
Why you confuse/ overly complicate the situation!

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #158 on: March 26, 2024, 05:51:53 AM »
Ugh you guys distract him....

Sorry dude, very little can distract me if I don't want to be distracted. I've had years to learn how to concentrate without medication.

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Why did bulmba draw the gravitational center outside the southern concave half of the globe?

The center of mass, you mean.

Also, I simply cut the thing in half then carved it out like a pumpkin, tossing all those seeds and pulp into the compost.

You're the one that thinks it needs a gravity center. I couldn't care less about that.

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Why you confuse/ overly complicate the situation!

Sorry kabool, Data is undependable.

I've learned over the years that he's full of crap.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #159 on: March 26, 2024, 05:56:47 AM »
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1. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless an external force acts upon it. Similarly, if the object is at rest, it will remain at rest unless an unbalanced force acts upon it.
If I were to knock a series of balls tied to a string, it would seem like this "law" that things stay in motion would mean this process never stops. But this is in violation to real scientific laws, those of the laws of thermodynamics. Motion does indeed wind down, as energy is gradually lost through conversion. Only a rare few things exist in perpetual motion. The sun, the moon, the tides. Stuff like that exist as long as there is an Earth.

Similarly, objects change despite themselves when left in stasis. They gather dust or cobwebs, people set on a couch forever either become morbidly obese (whereupon the couch collapses and from staying at rest, they are suddenly in motion) or they starve to death and have to be moved due to the stench.
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2. When a force acts on an object, it will cause the object to accelerate
Not all forces are forces of motion. When entropy acts on an object, it generally causes it to lose energy (slow down)
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3. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
More snappy patter words to sell nonsense theories. Newton was a marketeer and a plagiarist, not a scientist. Is there always equal reaction? Is it always opposite? And how can he possibly say for every action?

In fact, he actually did self-proclaim these The Laws of Motion.
https://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/NATP00105

They weren't laws because of scientific method. They weren't laws because of peer review. They were laws because of practical usage.

They were laws because "Sir" Isaac Newton said so. And everyone went along with what he said. Excuse me, Newton, but you're no knight. I hereby undub thee Sir Isaac Newton. You are now "Just Some Hack."

"They were laws because of practical usage." You said it yourself. Everything else you said is garbage, but you managed to debunk your own garbage with this one sentence of truth.

Just another fumbled attempt by a flat earther to discredit an esteemed scientist.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #160 on: March 26, 2024, 06:22:09 AM »
Ugh
Again
Why you confuse/ overly complicate the situation!
Please, I'm not the one over complicating stuff
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #161 on: March 26, 2024, 06:30:28 AM »
Directed at data

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #162 on: March 26, 2024, 06:33:36 AM »
Ugh you guys distract him....

Sorry dude, very little can distract me if I don't want to be distracted. I've had years to learn how to concentrate without medication.

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Why did bulmba draw the gravitational center outside the southern concave half of the globe?

The center of mass, you mean.

Also, I simply cut the thing in half then carved it out like a pumpkin, tossing all those seeds and pulp into the compost.

You're the one that thinks it needs a gravity center. I couldn't care less about that.

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Why you confuse/ overly complicate the situation!

Sorry kabool, Data is undependable.

I've learned over the years that he's full of crap.



But the earth globe model doestn have a hollow inside.
So representing it as hollow, then claiming the model doesnt work, is ridiculous.

If 2+2=4
yet i say
"2-2 = 4 is wrong.seeseee its wrong.
all math is wrong."

Does that make sense?

Are you ridiculous?

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #163 on: March 26, 2024, 06:34:03 AM »

I've learned over the years that he's full of crap.

Really. 

Then explain for a car in neutral with the same tires and mechanical advantage that I can physically push around all day by muscle on a flat surface, but can’t push it up hill into less dense atmospheric pressure and density.  With greater pressure and density trying to push it up hill. 

What force is preventing me from pushing the car up hill.
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #164 on: March 26, 2024, 06:42:10 AM »
Data is undependable.

I've learned over the years that he's full of crap.

If the earth is flat.  Then why is this dial star atlas for the southern hemisphere accurate, and reliably predict the movement of the constellations in the southern hemisphere.



A 15 dollar star atlas that totally and soundly kills flat earth.  Simplest and most obtainable demonstrable proof the heliocentric model is correct. 

What flat earth star atlas you got?  That works for accurate and reliable predictions of the movements of the constellations?

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #165 on: March 26, 2024, 07:39:58 AM »
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Newton and Archimedes must be rolling in their graves.
Archimedes might be honored. Newton can go fuck himself.


Hah... *sighs*
Ok, do want me to, like, teach you highschool physics concepts one on one? There are so many things fundamentally wrong with how you think. Buoyancy is not a force. Ok, well, maybe it is, but is the consequences of another force, namely the attractive force between any two masses in the universe. Now I could go on and on about how and why you are wrong, but let's not. Cause I have something else to address.

You're not in a position to teach me anything. When you look up buoyancy, it repeatedly calls it an upward force.

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You're telling me Newton discovered *nothing*? Regardless of our disagreement between gravity, he discovered that light is composed of many colours,

Something that any idiot holding a crystal while the sun is up well before him discovered. Newton was not a scientist. He was what is called a natural philosopher. And no, that's not a "for his time" substitute. He was basically a dude who sat around and made pompous pronouncements. A narcissist. I've had enough of narcissists in my life, I certainly know one when I see one.

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introduced the three laws of motion,
Which are memes. But we'll talk about that later.

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invented calculus (well, Leibniz did too, but still),
You see? He's like Einstein in that Family Guy episode.


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formulated the law of cooling (which does not hold under huge difference but yeah) and made many other important mathematical discoveries. To call Newton a pretentious prick is to
have the correct assessment of the man.

 Any idiot can discover that things cool. But it takes genius to write laws of thermodynamics.

Let's talk about these memes.

Newton said,
1. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless an external force acts upon it. Similarly, if the object is at rest, it will remain at rest unless an unbalanced force acts upon it.
2. When a force acts on an object, it will cause the object to accelerate
3. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Now, you may not have noticed this, but all three of these (probably self-proclaimed) "laws" of motion have a sort of snappy patter sound to them. Similar to if I'm trying to sell a book or advertise something. They are more concerned with sounding memorable than being right, which is why I call them memes. But let's examine how right they are...
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Indeed, it was presumptuous to assume I could teach you and I apologise. What I believe I meant was if you would like to have a one on one discussion on why certain events occur the way it does and the underlying causes for it.

I thank you for taking the time to go through my reply and to provide arguments regardless of the validity of either of our ideas.

Now as far as Newton's character goes, I hold no opinions. But his book Principia says all there is to it about his intellectual prowess, which we disagree upon. If I may suggest, do read Principia not trying to disprove it but rather as someone with no preconceptions of what is being discussed. You might like it, despite its supposed falseness.

Regarding the Family Man clip you posted, it was funny, true, but don't you think it takes some amount of intelligence to recognise when a paper that would completely revolutionalise the entire world is being published among the thousands of others?

https://www.sciencenordic.com/denmark-forskerzonen-physics/gravity-it-is-all-in-your-head/1453728 - In this article, the writer, albeit wrong, claims that Lagrange's Principal of Least Action can predict the path of a falling apple without relying on the "attraction between any two masses in the universe". This is wrong, as far as my knowledge goes. So my question is, are you familiar enough with Lagrangian Mechanics to provide proof of why the article is correct and I'm wrong? Unless of course, you don't believe Lagrangian Mechanics to be correct.

Now, the laws of thermodynamics and the laws of motion. First, I would like to quote Merovingian here: "It is, of course, the way of all things. You see, there is only one constant, one universal, it is the only real truth: causality. Action – reaction; cause – and effect."
skip to 1:19

If you haven't, I suggest you watch the Matrix series.
But coming back, I agree with you - Newton's laws of motion are entirely unnecessary. They are true, yes, but unnecessary. Every other mechanical system has its own model which gives you information on how the system behaves as time progresses. How you develop this model is independent (well, maybe not completely?) of the tools you used to design it.
For example, if I drop a pen from, say, height H metres, it always takes a time of √(H/4.9) seconds. In fact, feel free to verify the correctness of my equation.
But what I disagree with is the fact that gravity is unnecessary for deriving such models.

Not to be taken seriously but,
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have to be moved due to the stench.
explain mummies.

P.S. You seem to pay no attention to the fact where I pointed out you lack reading comprehension. It is because you stated that "Lagrange was born before Newton" despite the Nordic article saying that it is the other way around. In fact, Lagrange was born some 10 years after Newton died.
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #166 on: March 26, 2024, 08:11:25 AM »
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You lack reading comprehension...

https://www.sciencenordic.com/denmark-forskerzonen-physics/gravity-it-is-all-in-your-head/1453728
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Lagrange actually lived 100 years after Newton

I misread one word. And since I couldn't be bothered to care that much, it seemed logical to be that he would predate Newton since everyone has heard of Lagrange and nobody heard of Newton.
(Let's test your reading comprehension ;) )

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But don't you think it takes some amount of intelligence to recognise when a paper that would completely revolutionalise the entire world is being published among the thousands of others?

Biden must be brilliant then. Many of his speeches in early politics are quite literally just parroting other people.

Parrots are stupid, they can only repeat without understanding.

Human beings are intelligent. Humans are intelligent, because they can make Starry Night

or Moonlight Sonata

or the Laws of the Sun. It takes a first rate creative mind to come up with this nonsense.

If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #167 on: March 26, 2024, 08:28:48 AM »
the globe model has rain falling towards teh center.


WHY WOULD YOU REPRESENT A HOLLOWED OUT EARTH THEN HAVE NORTH POLE RAIN ON THE INSIDE OF THE SOUTH POLE?

WHY WOULD SOUTH POLE RAIN COLLECT ON THE INSIDE SURFACE?

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #168 on: March 26, 2024, 08:48:28 AM »

Parrots are stupid, they can only repeat without understanding.



Then what force acts on air molecules to overcome their tendency to spread away from each other to bunch up at the earth’s surface.

For stable flight, why must the center of gravity be ahead of the center of pressure.


For a car I can push around all day on a flat surface, why is it impossible for me to push the car up hill.

What causes objects to accelerate down to earth from lower atmospheric pressure, density, resistance at higher altitudes into greater atmospheric pressure, density, resistance at lower altitudes.  Why not fall up? 


There is another force that works on mass and is separate from atmosphere. 

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #169 on: March 26, 2024, 08:55:11 AM »
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You lack reading comprehension...

https://www.sciencenordic.com/denmark-forskerzonen-physics/gravity-it-is-all-in-your-head/1453728
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Lagrange actually lived 100 years after Newton

I misread one word. And since I couldn't be bothered to care that much, it seemed logical to be that he would predate Newton since everyone has heard of Lagrange and nobody heard of Newton.
(Let's test your reading comprehension ;) )

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But don't you think it takes some amount of intelligence to recognise when a paper that would completely revolutionalise the entire world is being published among the thousands of others?

Biden must be brilliant then. Many of his speeches in early politics are quite literally just parroting other people.

Parrots are stupid, they can only repeat without understanding.

Human beings are intelligent. Humans are intelligent, because they can make Starry Night

or Moonlight Sonata

or the Laws of the Sun. It takes a first rate creative mind to come up with this nonsense.

One word marks the difference between life and death, truth and falsehood, reality and fiction.
That said, your response is indeed witty but beside the point. It seems not that your reply contains anything of substance to disprove the presence of gravity. I'd say it's quite a waste of time to talk about the creative nature of mankind in a debate about the existence of gravity, is it not?
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #170 on: March 26, 2024, 10:20:20 AM »


 I'd say it's quite a waste of time to talk about the creative nature of mankind in a debate about the existence of gravity, is it not?

It’s not even the topic of this thread.

The topic of this thread is, “How can you dismiss all the space footage?”

But that’s how the lot like bulmabriefs144, keep FE on live support in their minds.  Vague answers wrapped in what-about-isms with changing the subject to derail threads. 

Great example, the topic of this thread.  Another example, the flat earth community can’t even provide a working model with a named distance to the sun.  We just get this well, it might be 300 miles above earth or it might be 3,000 miles. 

FE has to be vague so it’s harder to get flat earthers to commit to a model which would be easier to specifically prove wrong. 

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #171 on: March 26, 2024, 10:20:46 AM »
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One word marks the difference between life and death, truth and falsehood, reality and fiction.
That said, your response is indeed witty but beside the point. It seems not that your reply contains anything of substance to disprove the presence of gravity. I'd say it's quite a waste of time to talk about the creative nature of mankind in a debate about the existence of gravity, is it not?

Yes, it's a waste of time to talk to you.

That one word is buoyancy not gravity. Buoyancy holds the heavens and the earth up, gravity crushes everything under Newton's pessimist musings. Before gravity, we didn't have this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
Or this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

This is what happens when there is too much gravity.
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2. Grave consequence; seriousness or importance.
3. Solemnity or dignity of manner.
Everyone is convinced things are about to end.

Lighten up!

As for the rest, this is exactly the point. Globalism as a worldview cannot see the joy and the beauty in humanity. It is a mindset fundamentally preoccupied with the idea that even when humans breath out, they are releasing carbon. It is a poverty mindset, that fixates on the idea that for people to even be alive is a sin, and that the sooner were are all wiped out, the better for all nature. Sorry, but that is just not true. Well before humans, there were five extinction level events, some of which wiped out 85% of all life. If you cannot see the beauty and worth of human life, talking to you is senseless.

If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #172 on: March 26, 2024, 10:45:50 AM »


That one word is buoyancy not gravity.

Gravity bunches up air molecules at earth’s surface to drive the density of atmosphere that results in the pressure gradient that gives the buoyancy witnessed to where a helium balloon will rise until it gets in the pressure gradient that best matches the density of the balloon.

We know there is a separate force from atmosphere because for stable flight the center of gravity needs to be ahead of the center of pressure of the atmosphere working on the object in flight. 

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #173 on: March 26, 2024, 10:53:12 AM »


Yes, it's a waste of time

Still see you using that totally debunked video with the false claim the sun supposedly sets before it has an apparent size change.


If the earth was flat.  The sun wouldn’t set.  The sun would visibly curve overhead in its circular orbit above earth. The sun would appear small at “sunrise”, seems to hang there getting larger, then zoom overhead, then get smaller and smaller in apparent size, and slow down. 

With you still having no explanation what forces keep the sun in orbit in air and change the diameter of its orbit throughout the year.

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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #174 on: March 26, 2024, 10:59:59 AM »


But this is in violation to real scientific laws, those of the laws of thermodynamics. Motion does indeed wind down, as energy is gradually lost through conversion. Only a rare few things exist in perpetual motion. The sun,

So.  How does the sun have “perpetual” motion in a flat earth atmosphere and not violate the laws of thermodynamics?

Makes more sense and fits what is witnessed to have the earth orbit the sun in free fall in the vacuum of space. 

Your perpetual motion of the sun in earth’s atmosphere vs the fundamental force of gravity with the earth in free fall around the sun? 
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #175 on: March 26, 2024, 11:06:48 AM »
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One word marks the difference between life and death, truth and falsehood, reality and fiction.
That said, your response is indeed witty but beside the point. It seems not that your reply contains anything of substance to disprove the presence of gravity. I'd say it's quite a waste of time to talk about the creative nature of mankind in a debate about the existence of gravity, is it not?

Yes, it's a waste of time to talk to you.

That one word is buoyancy not gravity. Buoyancy holds the heavens and the earth up, gravity crushes everything under Newton's pessimist musings. Before gravity, we didn't have this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
Or this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

This is what happens when there is too much gravity.
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2. Grave consequence; seriousness or importance.
3. Solemnity or dignity of manner.
Everyone is convinced things are about to end.

Lighten up!

As for the rest, this is exactly the point. Globalism as a worldview cannot see the joy and the beauty in humanity. It is a mindset fundamentally preoccupied with the idea that even when humans breath out, they are releasing carbon. It is a poverty mindset, that fixates on the idea that for people to even be alive is a sin, and that the sooner were are all wiped out, the better for all nature. Sorry, but that is just not true. Well before humans, there were five extinction level events, some of which wiped out 85% of all life. If you cannot see the beauty and worth of human life, talking to you is senseless.
Yes... no. I believe humans to be very remarkably brilliant, creative, diverse and interesting. But that is not the topic of our discussion, nor is it at all entirely relevant when compared to the happenings of the universe we want to understand.

Everything is pointless. It does not matter if I can convince you to believe in gravity nor if you can convince me otherwise. But we do so regardless, as we've done until now.

I keep trying to bring you back on topic and yet you choose to expand upon completely unrelavant points. So let me completely rephrase and reiterate my questions, hoping to get direct answers:

A mathematical model of a mechanical system is a close approximation which, with reasonable accuracy, predict the state of said system in the near or even far future. So let's take a simple mechanical system anyone can build at home - a simple pendulum.

1) Tie an object of appreciable mass (say 50 grams) to a string exactly 1 metre long. Now suspend the string like a pendulum and swing it. Measure the time it takes to make one full back and forth swing called the Time Period.
Now, without using said gravity, can you come up with an equation to predict the Time Period for a pendulum of arbitrary string length, say L? If so, how? In fact you don't even need Newton's laws of motion to do this.

If you can't answer this question, then you can either propose a question yourself, but it must be entirely quantifiable or you can have me explain the answer, but that would involve gravity and Newton's laws of motion so do your best!
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #176 on: March 26, 2024, 01:37:08 PM »
Archimedes might be honored. Newton can go fuck himself.
Considering you are blatantly lying about buoyancy, going directly against what he said, why would be honoured with your dishonest BS?

Again, the Archimedes principle is quite simple.
An object immersed in a fluid is buoyed UPWARDS by a force equal to the WEIGHT of the fluid displaced.

He fully recognises that buoyancy is an upwards force only.
He fully recognises that it is NOT a fundamental force.
He fully recognises that buoyancy is a result of weight, a consequence of weight.

Yet here you are lying by pretending buoyancy is a fundamental force which causes weight.

You're not in a position to teach me anything. When you look up buoyancy, it repeatedly calls it an upward force.
Yet here you go ignoring that, pretending it is a downwards force.
So I guess that means you aren't in a position to teach anyone anything.

I've had enough of narcissists in my life
Then have you considered no longer being one?

have the correct assessment of the man.
No, it is to have an irrational hatred of reality and those that show your fantasy is wrong.

1. An object in motion tends to stay in motion unless an external force acts upon it. Similarly, if the object is at rest, it will remain at rest unless an unbalanced force acts upon it.
2. When a force acts on an object, it will cause the object to accelerate
3. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Which kills your fantasy so you hate it.

Now, you may not have noticed this, but all three of these (probably self-proclaimed) "laws" of motion have a sort of snappy patter sound to them.
Just like the Archimedes principle.
This has nothing to do with them being right or wrong, and is just you not liking them.


If I were to knock a series of balls tied to a string, it would seem like this "law" that things stay in motion would mean this process never stops.
Only if you do it in a frictionless vacuum, with no other energy losses.
Ignoring forces acting on it just demonstrates your dishonesty.

Motion does indeed wind down, as energy is gradually lost through conversion.
And that conversion requires a force.

Similarly, objects change despite themselves when left in stasis. They gather dust or cobwebs
Seriously?
Your argument is so pathetic you need to resort to dust falling on it or spiders crawling over it laying a web.
That is not an object being left in stasis.

Not all forces are forces of motion. When entropy
entropy is not a force.

Is there always equal reaction? Is it always opposite? And how can he possibly say for every action?
YES.
If you don't have this you have invented a perpetual motion machine, you will have created energy from no where.
This law can be restated as a product of the law of conservation of momentum or conservation of energy.

Consider some object moving along at some speed.
It has some velocity, and it collides with another object.
Now what happens?
Well it provides a force to accelerate that object.
Now, if you don't have an equal and opposite force acting to slow it down, you have just increased the momentum of the system.

Now design a system where instead of doing that, it is spinning around an axis, and the object it collides with does so as well.
Have a bunch of them, like a gear.
Then have the one being hit magically gaining momentum from nothing get hooked up to a generator.
And just to make sure it keeps going, hook the other one up to a motor.
Now this magical increase in momentum will create more power than is put in, and you have infinite energy and a perpetual motion machine.

This doesn't work in reality for the very reason that there is an equal and opposite force.
Any momentum imparted to the hit object is taken away from the object hitting.
This is done by a force pair acting on each.
A force from the hitting object acting on the hit object to accelerate it, simultaneously with a force from the hit object on the hitting object to slow it down.

They weren't laws because of scientific method. They weren't laws because of peer review. They were laws because of practical usage.
They were laws based upon experimental observations and tests.
That sure sounds like the scientific method.
They are laws, which have been peer reviewed and found to work just fine until you get to the quantum world where strange things happen.
And yes, they have practical usage, i.e. usage in practice to do things.

They work, unlike your delusional BS.

You're the one that thinks it needs a gravity center. I couldn't care less about that.
Because you aren't actually trying to show a fault with the RE model, because you know you can't.
Instead you are just spouting whatever dishonest, delusional BS you can think of to pretend there is a problem.

That one word is buoyancy not gravity. Buoyancy holds the heavens and the earth up
No, buoyancy holds things up, BECAUSE OF GRAVITY!

Before gravity, we didn't have this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
Or this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe
Yet the heat death of the universe is NOT due to gravity.
It is due to entropy.
The Big Crunch provides a way out, and wont be happening for billions of years.

Meanwhile, you religious BS has had the end of the world happening "soon" for the past 2 thousand years.

As for the rest, this is exactly the point. Globalism as a worldview cannot see the joy and the beauty in humanity.
No, your pathetic strawman can't.



Now again, care to address the pressure gradient?
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #177 on: March 26, 2024, 05:02:19 PM »

i am struggling to understand your system. it seems you still think using gravity despite claiming it isnt real. There is minimal difference in air (circles) in front and in back of car. I dont think few meters of gradient will push car that much
A bunch of nonsense.
I have a simple experiment anyone can do that proves acceleration, as in gravity is the source of buoyancy.
Get a good sized helium balloon.
Tie it to the passenger seat next to.
Roll up all the windows.
Now stomp on the accelerator.
You'll see the balloon move forward due to buoyancy.
Now hit the brakes.
The balloon will move backwards.
Opposite of what intuition tells you.

Gravity is a fundamental force of nature, not buoyancy,
Gravity is well proven experimentally over and over.
Cohesion is not a fundamental force either, it's an electromagnet interaction.
Come dude, up your game.
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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #178 on: March 26, 2024, 05:09:59 PM »
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Now, without using said gravity, can you come up with an equation to predict the Time Period for a pendulum of arbitrary string length, say L? If so, how? In fact you don't even need Newton's laws of motion to do this.

I don't see what time has to do with gravity.

But the thing is, I could do the same with a helium balloon, by swinging it off to the side and watching it float back to straight above me.

Same exact reaction in a reversed direction.


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Re: How can you dismiss all the space footage?
« Reply #179 on: March 26, 2024, 05:37:25 PM »
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Again, the Archimedes principle is quite simple.
An object immersed in a fluid is buoyed UPWARDS by a force equal to the WEIGHT of the fluid displaced.

He fully recognises that buoyancy is an upwards force only.
He fully recognises that it is NOT a fundamental force.
He fully recognises that buoyancy is a result of weight, a consequence of weight.

Yet here you are lying by pretending buoyancy is a fundamental force which causes weight.

I highly doubt that at the time, the idea of fundamental forces was even a consideration, so that's out.

Yes, weight affects displacement. But Archimedes had no dishonesty about how the weight of objects is its own.

Mass is weight, and weight is mass. Newton disguised this, by pretending that the weight of objects is somehow dependent on force. No. Mass is inherent to objects themselves.

Buoyancy is a fundamental force that applies to all of existence (unlike "gravity" which doesn't even behave the same way inside and outside of Earth). And it affects whether things sink or float by their mass as compared to the medium that surrounds it. Weight doesn't affect buoyancy. It affects displacement. That is, when a bit of rock is plopped into water by a crow, the crow doesn't bother believing gravity. It knows it can fly. It understands buoyancy and by extension displacement, solving the puzzle.
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