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If I were a battered woman, I'd be hard-pressed to produce any scars if my abuser never existed.

Hence the abusive relationship with imagination.
But abuse doesn't need to be physical

Either God is as you say, a tyrannical POS (or he's decent) or he doesn't exist.

Again, that isn't the get out of jail free card you want to make it out to be.
The God of the bible, a fictional character, is an evil POS.
If God existed and made this universe and controls it, then it is an evil POS.

But the fact that I can have bad things happen to me, doesn't that prove there is a God?

No.
Good things and bad things can happen without a god.
But you seem to want to assign the good to God while not assigning the evil.

Can he be a tyrannical POS if there are good things that happen?

Yes.
An evil tyrant wont necessarily always do evil.
For example, it can happily "do good", dangling something in front of someone, only to take it away and make them suffer more.
But a good, omnipotent being will never do evil.
That is the difference.

That is why bad things can show any god that exists cannot be good and omnipotent; while good things happen cannot be used to show that a god that exists can't be evil.

But Jack Black is wrong. He most definitely exists.

Yet you cannot provide a single thing which demonstrates he does.

Without God, there would nobody to save Hitler's life, not once, not twice, but against the laws of probability, as many times as possible until he was completely beaten.

Prove it.
Prove a god was actually required for that.

Remember, this wasn't some random person who was just targeted for an unknown reason multiple times.
This was a head of state that knew he would be targeted.

The reference you appealed to provides a list of 23 attempts, one of which isn't even known if it was an assassination attempt or just bad food prep.
Plenty of people get food poisoning and get sick. That doesn't require divine intervention to not die.

Likewise, a poisoned letter being intercepted doesn't require divine intervention.
There is nothing on that list that does.

But again, look at what you are trying to claim?
A god is interfering with free will to foil assassination plans of an evil tyrant that is causing so much suffering.
If you truly believe your god did that, then there is no way you can honestly believe your god is good.
Only an evil POS would protect Hitler.

Congratulations, you may still be able to say God is a tyrannical POS. But I'm sorry, in order for that to be true, his existence is not in doubt. You can't have this both ways.

I can have it both ways, by pointing out the fictional character of the Bible is an evil POS, and that any god that does exist is one to or just doesn't give a damn about us.

The one who can't have it both ways is you.
You cannot have your god both exist and be good. Because this world is fundamentally incompatible with that.

Hence the abusive relationship with imagination.
But abuse doesn't need to be physical

That's absurd. You accuse God of being abusive.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/types-of-abuse-5212239
But an imaginary physical abuser leaves no wound.
But an imaginary sexual abuser leave you undefiled.
But an imaginary neglecter is... well, actually that's a bit of a paradox. Can someone who doesn't exist really leave you?
Workplace abuse and discrimination don't really apply here.
So that really leaves emotional/psychological abuse and stalking.

The only way a stalking charge works if God is real. Though the whole omniscience/omnipresence thing would be clear stalking if so.

As for emotional/psychological abuse, some church members do this, but it's somewhat more difficult to make such a charge stick with an imaginary attacker. Again.

If God exists as words on a page, then I'm afraid I'm just as healthy as before.

The only way you can claim God is an abuser is if you admit he is real. Now, if you are willing to do that, I could possibly agree that making a series of laws that are impossible to follow then punishing you if you fail could constitute emotional/psychological abuse. But you'd never be able to punish God so there's no point being outraged.

But feel free to say this. I'll laugh.

You: Help! I've been abused!
Police: Please describe your attacker.
You: Well, I didn't see him.
Police: (writes notes) Describe whatever you can.
You: Okay, well he's omnipotent. And omniscient. And omnipresent. And he's totally good. But honestly I don't believe he exists.
Police: (stops writing) So your attacker is imaginary? Also, it sounds like you're talking about God.
You: That's right, I've been horribly abused by religion since childhood, and I need you to arrest... where you going?!?
Police: Sorry, as a good Irish policeman I attend Mass every weekend. I'm not paid enough to go arrest your insecurities.

That's absurd. You accuse God of being abusive.

No, I say you are in an abusive relationship with your imagination.
i.e. it isn't your god itself being abusive, it is your own imagination.

Following the hallmarks of it, never allowing the character of your imagination to be seen as bad, while accepting any evil it gives you.

Has anyone watched this video yet ? 

https://www.brighteon.com/f2e7653f-d115-47a1-9963-c16d714e5dbd

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 23, 2024, 06:30:14 PM

That's absurd. You accuse God of being abusive.

No, I say you are in an abusive relationship with your imagination.
i.e. it isn't your god itself being abusive, it is your own imagination.

Following the hallmarks of it, never allowing the character of your imagination to be seen as bad, while accepting any evil it gives you.

I suspect you actually have been in an abusive relationship, which is why you hate religion. There have been psych studies on atheists, and more than half of them fall into one of three behavior patterns.
(1) Abusive home life. Using God as a surrogate for a messed up relationship for a parental figure.
(2) Dying relative that they couldn't cure. Fixation on news events as representing the entire state of the world.
(3) Perfectionism, particularly a sense of never being good enough for those people in church. Often coupled with the idea these people are hypocrites.

My home life was mostly healthy. While my parents will eventually die, God willing, I'll die first. And yes, I did have  perfectionism, but Jesus helped me realize I don't need to work so hard to please others.
 "Church is not a hotel for saints, but a hospital for sinners." If they seem like hypocrites, it's because they are ashamed of their sins. I wasn't brainwashed , abused, or tricked. I came to church because the Jews had rules of perfection, and if I thought life outside temples was free of rules, I was mistaken. It was when I understood the purpose of those rules was to teach us that we're gonna fail was the day I became Christian. Before that, I was a Jew, wanting to do things to earn my way into heaven.

I suspect you actually have been in an abusive relationship

You suspect all sorts of delusional BS.
Which is really just a pathetic attempt to deflect from your inability to justify your delusional BS.

I can demonstrate your relationship is abusive, in the way you always claim God is good, even if it does evil, like supporting Hitler.
That is a hallmark of an abusive relationship.

Here you are, trying to suggest I was abused, because you cannot defend your god.
An evil POS you decided to latch onto because you can't handle reality, and which you shifted the focus of this thread to, because you cannot refute the mountains of evidence that shows Earth is round.

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I can love God too but i can also say the comes and goes of good fortune do not require Him.

Correct.

"For He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

We can say that God is fair to the point of being unjust.

But Jack Black is wrong. He most definitely exists. Without God, there would nobody to save Hitler's life, not once, not twice, but against the laws of probability, as many times as possible until he was completely beaten.

Congratulations, you may still be able to say God is a tyrannical POS. But I'm sorry, in order for that to be true, his existence is not in doubt. You can't have this both ways.

Then there is no discernable way to tell if good came to you because of your faith or pure luck

You are dumber than a mouse.



There was an experiment where green ligh red light were turndd on at random.
The mouse had to guess which light would turn on, and if correct caused food to come out.
Completely random but 80green 20red.
Mouse would just hit thevsame button and get 80/20.

The human though wod try to guess thevsystem and scored less than 60/40.

Skipto 10:22

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 23, 2024, 09:55:43 PM

I suspect you actually have been in an abusive relationship

You suspect all sorts of delusional BS.
Which is really just a pathetic attempt to deflect from your inability to justify your delusional BS.

I can demonstrate your relationship is abusive, in the way you always claim God is good, even if it does evil, like supporting Hitler.
That is a hallmark of an abusive relationship.

Here you are, trying to suggest I was abused, because you cannot defend your god.
An evil POS you decided to latch onto because you can't handle reality, and which you shifted the focus of this thread to, because you cannot refute the mountains of evidence that shows Earth is round.

Jack, everybody has a spiritual side. Some people feed it by going to church and believing in God, while others like yourself feed it by choosing to believe God does not exist. You still hold a spiritual belief, Sunshine, as atheist as you are. You can't get away from it.

Like most people, when you think of God which you choose not to believe in, you think of a male figure seated on a throne, am I right? May I suggest you make a concerted effort to think of that throned figure instead as sexless. That would be closer to the reality of that which you don't believe in, being real, wouldn't it?

Jack, everybody has a spiritual side.

That entirely depends on what you mean by "spiritual side".
You can pervert it into pure dishonest BS and claim anyone does.

choosing to believe God does not exist. You still hold a spiritual belief, Sunshine, as atheist as you are. You can't get away from it.

And that is the kind of dishonest BS I'm talking about.
I didn't choose to believe god doesn't exist.
There is simply no reason to think a god does.
This is NOT holding a spiritual belief.

It is a lack of one.

Your dishonest BS makes as much sense as saying asexual beings have a sex.

May I suggest you make a concerted effort to think of that throned figure instead as sexless.

Why would it matter how I view that fictional entity.
It doesn't address any of the issues at all.

Just what is the point?

I can demonstrate your relationship is abusive, in the way you always claim God is good, even if it does evil, like supporting Hitler.
That is a hallmark of an abusive relationship.

How's that?

You have probably done terrible things in your life that you don't even know about. Any people, for example, that you might have dissuaded from religion, now feeling abject sense of hopelessness and went ahead and killed themselves, each of their lives you are responsible for. That may be two people (who you've personally convinced) or 2,000 (who have happened to read or posts online).

The point being if you were responsible for the evil you have done without intention all of us would be mass murderers, though not on par with Hitler. Hitler probably never directly killed anyone, he motivated his buddies, he organized a chain of command, and they did it on his orders.

And should I not forgive you for being insufferable and maybe causing 2,000 wavering Christians to lose all hope through your stunning debate points? How much more will God forgive Hitler, who didn't even do most of the murders himself? Human beings don't know what goodness is. They confuse eye for an eye retaliation of evil actions for good. But actual goodness is not trying to prevent evil from happening somehow. When you read the Bible instead of filtering it through a 21st century postmodern lens, you find that when evil does happen, God produces good from it.

The family tree of Jesus is about 20 or so books of the world's longest genealogical setup all to get to a punchline about a man who would die for our sins.

23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,[a] the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

This is an entire line of imperfect people, who God nonetheless made a perfect testament.

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I can demonstrate your relationship is abusive, in the way you always claim God is good, even if it does evil, like supporting Hitler.
That is a hallmark of an abusive relationship.

How's that?

Exactly as described.

A hallmark of an abusive relationship is that the abuser can do know wrong, that any perceived wrong is actually good and often the fault of the abused, or someone other than the abuser.

That matches your relationship with your imagination, where you excuse anything God (a character of your imagination) does as good, while blaming man or yourself for anything bad that happens.

You have probably done terrible things in your life that you don't even know about.

As opposed to what you think of God, where it intentionally does things, knowing the outcome.

When you read the Bible instead of filtering it through a 21st century postmodern lens, you find that when evil does happen, God produces good from it.

You mean when you view it through a lens of God being good.
When viewed through a rational, honest lens, we see there is no need for that evil.
An omnipotent wouldn't need it. It would be able to just do good.

This is an entire line of imperfect people, who God nonetheless made a perfect testament.

And it entirely fails, because Jesus wasn't mean to be Joseph's biological son.
If you follow the fairy tale, God instead implanted himself into Mary.

I actually know history. History major, religion minor (used to be a horticulture minor, until I bailed at organic chemistry).

We humans have a history of bloody wars and conquests. Yet God is also part of our history. Note the quote in my signature. This is an agnostic historian wit no axe to grind for Christians. In fact, he attacks Christianity often. What he admits (because he is a credible historian) is that Jesus, despite not according to his beliefs being any kind of miraculous being, was born, lived and had ministry, and was crucified.

God died on the cross for our sins. This is a historic fact.

Yes, we are responsible for a number of bloody events over the years. The Civil War was a meat-grinder conflict that horribly killed bucket loads of people.

There's a difference from making excuses for someone, and acknowledging your part. I've seen abusive relationships. I've also seen ones where there isn't a clear cut abuser or wrongdoer.
If you want to blame God, first (again) you have to accept his existence, or I refer you to that absolute crazy exchange above, calling the cops on a nonexistent abuser. And second, you probably need to realize that historically humanity's role in matters has been much like a bf who pushes his gf down the stairs, and when he says, "Oh honey, I didn't mean it!" she takes a frypan and whacks him across the head with it. Then they continue with this back and forth until they both get frisky and start having sex on the kitchen table.

Only God is at fault? Bullshit! All of us are at fault!

Yes, knowing the outcome, God knows that planting us here Big O style with modern society 40 years ago either involves a shit ton of false memories, or setting things in motion naturally to play out. For real progress, we need the latter. Everything good in this world is the result of long-term effort.

The difference is you won't have that make-up sex. You just act like you're the only one abused. Quit being self-righteous and you might actually learn that there's blame to go around.

Also, did you notice whose family line this is? It's Mary's not Joseph's. This is Luke's genealogy, and they include Joseph only because it is customary to include fathers. But this disguises the fact that we are actually dealing with Mary's biological history. They trace it back to God, because that's who is the actual father.

We humans have a history of bloody wars and conquests.

And if we were created by your god, then your god is to blame for it.
Why would a loving god create people to wage wars and conquests?

God died on the cross for our sins. This is a historic fact.

No, it isn't.

Even if we accept your claim that Jesus lived and was crucified, that is not God, and not dying for our sins.

There's a difference from making excuses for someone, and acknowledging your part.

And what you are doing is making excuses.

Only God is at fault? Bullshit! All of us are at fault!

Notice the key part? ALL. That includes God.
I have never said humans are not to blame, with the exception of when your god interferes with free will.
But you try to twist that to pretend God is not to blame.

If God exists and made this world, it is to blame for so much evil it isn't funny.

And if we were created by your god, then your god is to blame for it.

So if I, a boat maker, make a canoe to sell at a boat shop for recreation... and the guy who buys it from me tricks it out with a ballista and makes it a war canoe,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_canoe
and sails it towards someone's how with intent to murder, how exactly does that have anything to do with what I created?

War is an invention of mankind. There is no evidence that God ever intended it. God allows war, but makes it increasingly awful with each passing war, in hopes that one day we will see sense.

As for crusades, you mean the jihads. The crusades lasted 90 years total. The Muslim jihads have been going on for around 12 centuries or more.

Even if we accept your claim that Jesus lived and was crucified, that is not God, and not dying for our sins.

Jesus is God.

The Father, Son, and Spirit are not each other, but all of these are God. You obviously never got a proper religious education. Whether you believe Jesus died for or sins or no, that's up to you. But Jesus did die for our sins.

To understand how that is, you have to understand the blood sacrifices of Judaism, how they replaced the human sacrifices of the pagans, and how they in turn were replaced by a single sacrifice. You have to understand the entire Old Testament as a lead-up to this, including as far back as Genesis and Exodus. Peter explains that anyone who hangs on a tree overnight is cursed, and that Christ became a curse by hanging on the wood of the cross. He took the curse of your sins, and paid its price. You may not accept this, you may hate it, but it was done on your behalf and mine.

You can blame God if you wish. But I do not. And to be honest, your hatred of God is misplaced and childish. It's similar to be living in a town of thieves and liars, and blaming the original architect of the town for how the citizens are. When Washington, DC was built, the founders had high ideals. Then a bunch of liberal snots decided to paint them as old white men who owned slaves. Sorry, but those same people want to renew slavery, and are very much not into government by the people, for the people, and of the people.

The architects of something cannot be blamed for how it turned out. God could make us all fall into line, yes, but it would involve actual tyranny. He could make you be a conservative, make you worship him, and make you love him. Is the reason he doesn't do so a reflection on his power?

No. It's a reflection on his mercy. You wouldn't like yourself if he made you like this.

So if I, a boat maker, make a canoe to sell at a boat shop for recreation... and the guy who buys it from me tricks it out with a ballista and makes it a war canoe,

That is nothing like what is being discussed.
This is more like you building a bomb, and then detonating it to kill a bunch of people, then trying to blame the bomb for the murders and saying it wasn't you.

War is an invention of mankind.

According to you, mankind is an invention of God.
In the Bible, God orders warfare.

Sure seems like it would be from God as well.

As you said ALL are to blame.
Why try to excuse God?

As for crusades, you mean

No. I didn't bring up crusades.

Jesus is God.

According TO YOU.
Is that a historical fact? NO!

So claiming it is a historical fact that God died is pure BS.

But Jesus did die for our sins.

No, he didn't.
As already explained, the only way that makes sense is if Jesus is actually Satan fighting against and saving us from God.
Is that what you want to believe?

Otherwise, it makes much more sense as propaganda.

You can blame God if you wish. But I do not. And to be honest, your hatred of God is misplaced and childish.

I don't hate God, I just recognise your imaginary fiend is an evil POS that decent human being would worship except out of fear, cowardice, stupidity or brainwashing.
The God of the Bible is not good.
Any omnipotent being that exists and created this world is not good.

It's similar to be living in a town of thieves and liars, and blaming the original architect of the town

Except for this comparison to hold, the original architect also created each of those thieves are liars.

That is nothing like what is being discussed.
This is more like you building a bomb, and then detonating it to kill a bunch of people, then trying to blame the bomb for the murders and saying it wasn't you.

Actually, it's exactly like what is being discussed.

God created the heavens and Earth. There is nothing to suggest it was intended from the start to be a death trap. It's a natural world filled with living plants and animals. They live their lives to experience things. Hardly a bomb!

What this more akin to is building a town, and having an official on the town planning say that whatever happens, we don't want gambling in our town (listing reasons why it's horrible), then sneak a pamphlet to the news media bringing public attention to the idea of gambling to see if they like the idea. The other town officials can in fact veto this idea. The townspeople themselves can protest. Or everyone can agree that it is a wonderful idea, ad like Vegas and Atlantic City, they can realize that it's a terrible idea.
Corrupt as hell? Yes. Evil? No. Especially, if the official actually gave all the drawbacks and people chose anyway.

You knew the risks of life when you agreed to be born in this world. You knew you would die. You just don't remember that you came from a world before this one, and the agreement you made is fair. Nobody really dies forever.

Atheists walk around with pretend amnesia while they do evil to convince others that the world is evil. No, you are evil. And not even that evil. Nothing bad enough you can do that you couldn't be forgiven. You know how Jesus said there is one unforgivable sin, "blaspheming the Holy Spirit"? This is how it works. As long as you say, "God can't forgive me," you are stuck in a delusion.

That's it.

Every issue is forgivable. There is light at the end of the dark tunnel.

As already explained, the only way that makes sense is if Jesus is actually Satan fighting against and saving us from God.
Is that what you want to believe?

While Jack is admittedly knowledgeable on a number of things in spite of his argument style and his misguided worldview, his grasp on religion troubles and amuses me.

Actually, it's exactly like what is being discussed.

So you are saying your god did not create man?

What this more akin to is building a town, and having an official on the town planning say

No. It is akin to that official who built the town also creating the people there to do what they wont.

You knew the risks of life when you agreed to be born in this world.

I didn't agree to be born.

No, you are evil.

Yet atheists are typically more moral than theists.
But notice how yet again you are fleeing from your god.

Consider any evil person.
According to your fantasy, who made them? YOUR GOD!

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As already explained, the only way that makes sense is if Jesus is actually Satan fighting against and saving us from God.
Is that what you want to believe?

While Jack is admittedly knowledgeable on a number of things in spite of his argument style and his misguided worldview, his grasp on religion troubles and amuses me.

Why?
Jesus being Satan, claiming to be God so people would follow him, as he leads them away from the commandments of the OT; with Christians even using him as an excuse for they don't need to follow the ridiculous commands of the OT.
And then the ultimate sacrifice, where he dies to save mankind from God.

That actually makes sense.

What doesn't make sense, is God coming down to sacrifice himself to himself so he can decide to not send people to hell.
If he didn't want to send people to hell, he could just choose not to.
Killing Jesus does nothing for that.
But it does look good as propaganda.
Look at John 3:16. None of it makes sense except as propaganda.

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As already explained, the only way that makes sense is if Jesus is actually Satan fighting against and saving us from God.
Is that what you want to believe?

While Jack is admittedly knowledgeable on a number of things in spite of his argument style and his misguided worldview, his grasp on religion troubles and amuses me.

Jack is a Satanist. As proven by this.

No, Jack. But the thing is, you assume manmade laws supposedly written by God are God's work. God made the heaven and the Earth. That is really his extent of involvement, besides weather.  Rebelling vs God doesn't make your life easier though. In the absence of (supposedly) God-made laws, we instead have manmade laws. There is no escaping law and retibution if you break it. There is only redemption from the law. The Bible when talking about God is really describing three things,which is why we have a doctrine of Trinity.

1. Cosmic/Natural (Father) - You witness this aspect of God create and run the universe. Strictly speaking, if you were to be worshiping God the Father, you might as well be worshiping Allah or Brahman (not to be confused with Brahma or Brahmin). The big sweeping natural events are attributed to God the Father. You can't really understand or connect with this sort of God. You cannot see the face of God (the Father) and live, as this is akin to staring at the sun or looking at an active volcano. Ask Lot's wife how that went. Of course, similar to Ta Fiti in Moana, this has a softer side. But this version of God is described as numinous, the word meaning basically set apart, beyond the natural world. This God is above us.
2. Personal (Son) - If the word of the day for the other was numinous, this one if immanent. This God is among us. Whenever God interacts with people on a personal level, we are usually talking about Jesus. Wrestling with Jacob, the man leading the two angels in the judgement of Sodom, these encounters with God on a personal level are called theophany.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophany
Rather than waiting to see Jesus's face on a piece of toast or in the sky, the Bible gives us a far simpler method. The Body of Christ. That is, Jesus can be seen through the people who speak to us. Of course, if you're not sure how to listen, you'll wind up very confused when trying to listen to multiple potentially contradictory bits of advice.
3. Internal (Spirit) - The Holy Spirit is our souls as a collective. When you pray, your soul connects to the Holy Spirit. When you hear about stuff like Elijah or Elisha doing miracles, and they don't directly discuss God's answering of prayers this is the Holy Spirit. This is what Jesus means by faith making you well. Internal spiritual energy empowers us humans to do things that are outside our normal ability. Aside from faith, this also empowers prophecy, healing, and inspiration (the Bible and other such books are not written by God but inspired by God... and that is why they are not infallible with regard to things that are based on human understanding). The point being that these laws that are supposed to demand God's punishment are inspired law. This is not to put them with laws that people just made up, but c'mon do you think God actually cares about blended fabrics? God does have real laws, but they are about the way we treat each other.

The Trinity was set up a certain way to prevent modalism, the idea that God only be in one type or mode at a time. Nor should this be seen (as the Muslims do) as a sort of polytheism. This is all God at once. In Sodom, both God the Father and Son were there.

Jack is a Satanist. As proven by this.

No, I'm not.
Pointing out your cult makes no sense doesn't make me a Satanist.

But the thing is, you assume manmade laws supposedly written by God are God's work.

No, I don't.
I assume your god is a fictional being that has done nothing in reailty.

But in the fictional work of the Bible, they are meant to have the laws of God.

In the absence of (supposedly) God-made laws, we instead have manmade laws.

Which while still flawed, are vastly superior to your "God-made" laws.

You witness this aspect of God create and run the universe.

No, I don't.

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Jesus can be seen through the people who speak to us.

You mean you are desperate to see Jesus so you pretend to.
I see people.
Different people with different views and different opinions.
Not your imaginary friend.

Internal spiritual energy empowers us humans to do things that are outside our normal ability.

Yet no one can actually demonstrate that.
Instead, we just have things which appear to be entirely within our normal ability.

Pointing out your cult makes no sense doesn't make me a Satanist.

That wasn't what made you a Satanist.

Explicitly accepting Satan as your savior did.

For the record, Satanism comprises sects of atheist freethinkers as well as weird robed cultists.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/living/5-things-satanists/index.html

Surprisingly, most card-carrying satanists do not worship Satan or any other form of the devil – they are actually atheists.

Or rather, many atheists are Satanists. Satan is defined as an "adversary/accuser" in Hebrew, that is, one who is against God or accuses God. Do you find yourself accusing God of being evil? Do you hold more sympathy with Satan than with God or Jesus? If the answer to both of these is a hard yes, then yes, this does mean you are a Satanist.

 

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Pointing out your cult makes no sense doesn't make me a Satanist.

That wasn't what made you a Satanist.
Explicitly accepting Satan as your savior did.

Yet I did no such thing.

I did not accept Satan as my saviour, as there is no reason to think Satan exists.
Instead, I merely pointed out Christianity makes far more sense with Jesus as Satan than as God.

Surprisingly, most card-carrying satanists do not worship Satan or any other form of the devil – they are actually atheists.

i.e. they aren't actually Satanists. It is just a pathetic attempt by Christians to vilify people who aren't in their cult.
Satanists need to believe in and worship Satan; not just merely reject the BS of Christianity.

i.e. they aren't actually Satanists. It is just a pathetic attempt by Christians to vilify people who aren't in their cult.
Satanists need to believe in and worship Satan; not just merely reject the BS of Christianity.

Satan exists just as Jesus does & when he comes back he ain't coming back all meek and mild, he's coming back to kick arse.

Satan exists just as Jesus does

So in the minds of believers?
With no evidence of either currently existing in reality?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on March 01, 2024, 12:07:06 AM

Satan exists just as Jesus does

So in the minds of believers?
With no evidence of either currently existing in reality?

Read your Bible, you may learn something.

Satan exists just as Jesus does & when he comes back he ain't coming back all meek and mild, he's coming back to kick arse.

Read other passages against Revelation. You'll see that Revelation contradicts several key points of Gospels (especially John itself), and thus fails the basic test of Galatians against passages against the Bible being under a curse.

(Jesus coming again to judge the Earth)

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

(The third temple being built by the Antichrist)

19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.

(Mark of the Beast preventing people from being saved)

What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.

And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

(The passages about the righteous going to a new heaven and Earth, while the wicked get tossed into a lake of fire)

“None is righteous, no, not one; 
    no one understands;
    no one seeks for God.
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
    no one does good,
    not even one.”

Revelation is a lie. It was made up by Judaizers and Ebionites. It was spread by corrupt Catholic leaders. It is against what Christ taught. And it's time for humans to stop believing in it.

Read your Bible, you may learn something.

That it is a crappy book, full of BS?
What would you want me to read after that? Harry Potter?
Should I accept Harry Potter as my saviour? Someone who died to save us all?

Revelation is a lie. It was made up by Judaizers and Ebionites. It was spread by corrupt Catholic leaders. It is against what Christ taught. And it's time for humans to stop believing in it.

As opposed to the rest of the Bible?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on March 01, 2024, 04:56:44 AM

Read your Bible, you may learn something.

That it is a crappy book, full of BS?
What would you want me to read after that? Harry Potter?
Should I accept Harry Potter as my saviour? Someone who died to save us all?

Pure Atheism at it's best.

Pure Atheism at it's best.

You mean rational thought and having beliefs trying to match reality; rather than delusional BS where you reject reality to pretend a fairy tale is true?

Again, if you want to show Earth is flat, you need to deal with the overwhelming evidence that shows it is round.
Appealing to the Bible is just showing the Bible is wrong.