Are There Extra Lands

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 08:36:02 AM

Even sun rise & sun set are down to perspective.

Prospective doesn’t explain how the sun sets relatively below the horizon so the sun becomes literally blocked by the earth’s curvature to:

 

Most people think that when the sun sets it goes down under, but it doesn't, when the sun sets it is so far away that we don't see it anymore & it turns dark.
When the sun sets it is rising somewhere else.

Most people think that when the sun sets it goes down under,

Again.  It becomes physically blocked by the earth’s curvature.  That is literally nightfall.  The earth’s curvature casting a shadow across the land.  Why the suns radiation becomes blocked, it’s shielded by the earth for the people on the night side.  Why the sun still sets even when one is on a Mountain top. Physically blocked, why from a mountain top after sunset you can’t bring the sun back into view with a telescope.

when the sun sets

That’s the point.  On a flat earth, it’s always above the flat earth.  It would never have its light or radiation blocked to create night.


A sun not setting on a flat earth has been modelled.

The animation isn't meant to convey that the sun (or Moon) moves in a straight line. It's meant to show that perspective of a very close and small sun would shrink as it moves further from you or you move further than it. It doesn't shrink like everything else in our perspective does.

And modelled again…. And demonstrated. 

This explanation has its problems. For starters, a sun circling 3,000 miles (5,000 km) above a flat Earth would never actually "set," even at the most southern latitudes. YouTube user Wolfie6020, a globe-Earth proponent, demonstrated this by building a scale model of the flat-Earth-style sun as it would be seen from Sydney on a vernal equinox. As shown in his video, the sun (actually a drone carrying a ping-pong ball) never dips below the horizon, even at its farthest point from the observer.

https://www.space.com/41915-flat-earth-explanation-for-the-equinox.html

No Sunset on a Flat Earth - Debunking the AE Map with a Drone.

Jack has explained this..

Perspective CANNOT explain the observed angle of elevation of Polaris.
The RE can.

Observations of Polaris demonstrate Earth is not flat.

Yet you choose to reject this truth which is staring you right in the face and accept the words of your preacher, yet you cannot explain how this works.
You are accepting the words of a lying con man over logic, basic geometry and simple experiments you can do yourself.

You can even validate the formula for perspective yourself.

If you need it again, for an object a distance of h above a point a distance of d away, with that height and distance measured based upon a straight line passing through your eyes, is atan(h/d).
This is basic geometry:


So stop rejecting the truth that is staring you right in the face, and start accepting reality.

Or, try and explain how perspective magically causes Polaris to vanish.

The only thing your doing Apple Scruff is ignoring the math and science and going “look here, word salad opinion FE propaganda.” 

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 09:43:06 AM

Most people think that when the sun sets it goes down under,

The only thing your doing Apple Scruff is ignoring the math and science and going “look here, word salad opinion FE propaganda.”

All this does not deflect from the earth still being level & stationary, in fact the earth is larger than one first thought if we were to travel over Antarctica's iced walls, I suggest reading this book.

Why are you here ? This forum is called  'The flat earth society' Um let me guess.

I notice you still didn't address the issue.
Instead, you resort to childish insults.
Why I am here has nothing to do with the issue.

I asked why are you here because you seem to have no interest in any discussion.
So why did you come to a discussion forum if you don't want to discuss?

Again, observations of Polaris are clear evidence that Earth is not flat.

The truth is staring you in the face. Why do you keep ignoring it?

Even sun rise & sun set are down to perspective.

Repeating the same false claims, while putting in absolutely no effort to refute what has been presented wont help you.
Linking to a bunch of useless videos wont help you.

Sun rise and sun set are also not explained by perspective.
For the same Polaris isn't.

Most people think that when the sun sets it goes down under, but it doesn't, when the sun sets it is so far away that we don't see it anymore & it turns dark.
When the sun sets it is rising somewhere else.

No, most people recognise that when the sun sets, Earth blocks the view.
This is because that is what all the evidence shows.

It clearly isn't too far away, due to things like clouds being illuminated before sunrise and after sunset.

We can also observe it with a solar filter and clearly observe it remaining basically the same angular size throughout.
We also observe it moving at the same angular rate.
And we observe it appear to sink into Earth.

None of that matches what is expected with perspective.

With perspective, it should appear to slow down and shrink and fade to nothing while still high in the sky.
And again, the angles don't match.

But another thing which really kills that nonsense is the southern summer, where the further south you are the more daylight hours you get, even in places south of the tropics.
This means for the common FE model with the north pole at the centre, you have locations closer to the sun which can't see it and places further away which can.

Now try to put in some effort and actually explain the issues, or just be honest and admit you can't.

All this does not deflect from the earth still being level & stationary

You are yet to provide anything which indicates it is flat and stationary.
And level is not the same as flat.
A level surface can curve.

I suggest reading this book.

Stop deflecting with no effort BS.
Put in the effort and explain the issues you keep dodging.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 07:30:14 AM

Why are you here ? This forum is called  'The flat earth society' Um let me guess.

I notice you still didn't address the issue.
Instead, you resort to childish insults.
Why I am here has nothing to do with the issue.

I asked why are you here because you seem to have no interest in any discussion.
So why did you come to a discussion forum if you don't want to discuss?

Again, observations of Polaris are clear evidence that Earth is not flat.

The truth is staring you in the face. Why do you keep ignoring it?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 08:36:02 AM

Even sun rise & sun set are down to perspective.

Repeating the same false claims, while putting in absolutely no effort to refute what has been presented wont help you.
Linking to a bunch of useless videos wont help you.

Sun rise and sun set are also not explained by perspective.
For the same Polaris isn't.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 09:43:06 AM

Most people think that when the sun sets it goes down under, but it doesn't, when the sun sets it is so far away that we don't see it anymore & it turns dark.
When the sun sets it is rising somewhere else.

No, most people recognise that when the sun sets, Earth blocks the view.
This is because that is what all the evidence shows.

It clearly isn't too far away, due to things like clouds being illuminated before sunrise and after sunset.

We can also observe it with a solar filter and clearly observe it remaining basically the same angular size throughout.
We also observe it moving at the same angular rate.
And we observe it appear to sink into Earth.

None of that matches what is expected with perspective.

With perspective, it should appear to slow down and shrink and fade to nothing while still high in the sky.
And again, the angles don't match.

But another thing which really kills that nonsense is the southern summer, where the further south you are the more daylight hours you get, even in places south of the tropics.
This means for the common FE model with the north pole at the centre, you have locations closer to the sun which can't see it and places further away which can.

Now try to put in some effort and actually explain the issues, or just be honest and admit you can't.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 12:00:29 PM

All this does not deflect from the earth still being level & stationary

You are yet to provide anything which indicates it is flat and stationary.
And level is not the same as flat.
A level surface can curve.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 12:00:29 PM

I suggest reading this book.

Stop deflecting with no effort BS.
Put in the effort and explain the issues you keep dodging.

I thought I just did.

I thought I just did.

Address the issues? No, not even close.
You have made no attempt to.
Instead you just post videos and books to nonsense.

You try to explain here.

Again, perspective is basic geometry which you can test yourself:


The angle of elevation is given by atan(h/d).
That means Polaris cannot drop to 0 degrees at the equator, nor can it go below when you are south of the equator.

Go find a hall or a room, or even just outside, and see how far you need to go over a flat surface to make something disappear from view.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 01:29:25 PM

I thought I just did.

Go find a hall or a room, or even just outside, and see how far you need to go over a flat surface to make something disappear from view.

Here Apple Scruff, I’ll help you out with a thread on this very site.

Start here…

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.msg2367945#msg2367945

I’ve done my homework.

I thought I just did.

On a flat earth, how would the sun ever be out of the line of sight from the west coast of California?

Here Apple Scruff, I’ll help you out with a thread on this very site.

Start here…

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.msg2367945#msg2367945

Thanks but all's I could read about was this blue duck......Yawn

d read about was this blue duck......Yawn

So.  How does a flat surface physical block an object from view when the viewer is above the same surface. 

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 02:28:38 PM

d read about was this blue duck......Yawn

So.  How does a flat surface physical block an object from view when the viewer is above the same surface.

We are talking about the sun which travels above flat earth & traverses the sky in a circular motion, so when it travels south so the north becomes dark & vice a versa.
So to see the sun set is a matter of distance so therefore it must be a matter of perspective.
So in reality the sun never really sets, it's just a matter of distance.

Thanks but all's I could read about was this blue duck......Yawn

So you fail at basic reading comprehension, yet want to accuse people of being delusional for not accepting your false claims that Earth is flat?

We are talking about the sun which travels above flat earth & traverses the sky in a circular motion, so when it travels south so the north becomes dark & vice a versa.
So to see the sun set is a matter of distance so therefore it must be a matter of perspective.
So in reality the sun never really sets, it's just a matter of distance.

Again, we see the sun with roughly the same angular size, and it doesn't appear to slow down, nor fade high in the sky. So we know it is not a matter of distance.

And for the common FE map, we see regions south of the tropics having more daylight hours, such that a location more distant from the sun can see it while a location closer can't. This again shows it is not a matter of distance.

Repeating the same false claim that perspective magic hides it wont help you.

We are talking about the sun which travels above flat earth & traverses the sky in a circular motion, .

But there is no evidence of that.  When the sun off the coast of California, it sets in the west.  For a flat earth, the sun would turn visibly north.  It wouldn’t set at all.



For a person in California, the map and the circular path for the sun on a FE shows if the sun “sets”, it would appear to set to the north after coming from the east.   The sun sets in the west for a person in California. 


More explained…

How Do Flat-Earthers Explain the Equinox? We Investigated.


https://www.space.com/41915-flat-earth-explanation-for-the-equinox.html


Moreover, during an equinox, the sun appears to rise due east and set due west everywhere on Earth except at the poles. For this to hold true on a flat Earth, where some cities are physically many times farther away from the sun than others, the sunlight would have to bend at hundreds of different angles simultaneously. That's the only way it could appear as if it was always coming from the east. YouTube user Flat Out, another prolific globe-Earth proponent, demonstrated the impossibility of this explanation using simple computer simulations in 2017.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 09:21:22 PM

We are talking about the sun which travels above flat earth & traverses the sky in a circular motion, .

But there is no evidence of that.  When the sun off the coast of California, it sets in the west.  For a flat earth, the sun would turn visibly north.  It wouldn’t set at all.



For a person in California, the map and the circular path for the sun on a FE shows if the sun “sets”, it would appear to set to the north after coming from the east.   The sun sets in the west for a person in California. 


More explained…

Quote

How Do Flat-Earthers Explain the Equinox? We Investigated.


https://www.space.com/41915-flat-earth-explanation-for-the-equinox.html


Moreover, during an equinox, the sun appears to rise due east and set due west everywhere on Earth except at the poles. For this to hold true on a flat Earth, where some cities are physically many times farther away from the sun than others, the sunlight would have to bend at hundreds of different angles simultaneously. That's the only way it could appear as if it was always coming from the east. YouTube user Flat Out, another prolific globe-Earth proponent, demonstrated the impossibility of this explanation using simple computer simulations in 2017.

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

So?  What does south mean on a flat earth to get there?  How would you navigate on a flat earth?

Considering navigation and celestial observation points to this…



And not this..





The earth is demonstrably spherical with no extra lands to discover…

Traveling relative east from a north south line out of South America leads to Africa, not to Antarctica





Following a sun on a FE that turns north would mean what to navigation?




  Vs following the sun to go west on a spherical earth?

Apparently in the land of Mars the folks there live to a good old age & the story goes that Admiral Byrd didn't die, he went off to live in the land of Mars which is over the iced walls of Antarctica.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 07:16:25 AM

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

So?  What does south mean on a flat earth to get there?  How would you navigate on a flat earth?

To go south would just take you in one big circle, this is why Columbus never fell of the edge as the earth is circumferenced by Antarctica's iced walls.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 13, 2024, 09:18:10 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 07:16:25 AM

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

So?  What does south mean on a flat earth to get there?  How would you navigate on a flat earth?

To go south would just take you in one big circle, this is why Columbus never fell of the edge as the earth is circumferenced by Antarctica's iced walls.

No.

South is meaningless on a FE.

Hello?

Considering navigation and celestial observation points to this…



And not this..





The earth is demonstrably spherical with no extra lands to discover…

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 09:34:18 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 13, 2024, 09:18:10 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 07:16:25 AM

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

So?  What does south mean on a flat earth to get there?  How would you navigate on a flat earth?

To go south would just take you in one big circle, this is why Columbus never fell of the edge as the earth is circumferenced by Antarctica's iced walls.

South is meaningless on a FE.

Yes I suppose it is in a way, like I said, to go south just takes you in one big circle to end up where you first started.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 13, 2024, 09:45:19 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 09:34:18 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 13, 2024, 09:18:10 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 07:16:25 AM

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

So?  What does south mean on a flat earth to get there?  How would you navigate on a flat earth?

To go south would just take you in one big circle, this is why Columbus never fell of the edge as the earth is circumferenced by Antarctica's iced walls.

South is meaningless on a FE.

Yes I suppose it is in a way, like I said, to go south just takes you in one big circle to end up where you first started.

I though, south  will take you to the Ice wall

Yes I suppose it is in a way, like I said, to go south just takes you in one big circle to end up where you first started.

As pointed out. How? On a flat earth with an Ice Wall?  Supposedly guarded by NASA?  Or some BS?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 10:19:07 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 13, 2024, 09:45:19 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 09:34:18 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 13, 2024, 09:18:10 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 07:16:25 AM

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

So?  What does south mean on a flat earth to get there?  How would you navigate on a flat earth?

To go south would just take you in one big circle, this is why Columbus never fell of the edge as the earth is circumferenced by Antarctica's iced walls.

South is meaningless on a FE.

Yes I suppose it is in a way, like I said, to go south just takes you in one big circle to end up where you first started.

I though, south  will take you to the Ice wall

As the earth is circled by Antarctica, any direction will take you to the iced walls, but apparently there are passages through the iced walls which will take to you to earths extra lands.

https://www.brighteon.com/f2e7653f-d115-47a1-9963-c16d714e5dbd

As the earth is circled by Antarctica, any direction will take you to the iced walls, but apparently there are passages through the iced walls which will take to you to earths extra lands.

https://www.brighteon.com/f2e7653f-d115-47a1-9963-c16d714e5dbd

Which has nothing to do with…

To go south would just take you in one big circle, this is why Columbus never fell of the edge as the earth is circumferenced by Antarctica's iced walls.

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

Lands which can't exist because Earth is round. As shown by countless things. Including the south celestial pole.

To go south would just take you in one big circle, this is why Columbus never fell of the edge as the earth is circumferenced by Antarctica's iced walls.

On your FE, going south would either take you off the edge, or take you to these magical new lands.

In reality, going south takes you to a point, the south pole.
The point under the south celestial pole.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 07:16:25 AM

Thanks for all this jargon, but this thread is about extra lands .............

Lands which can't exist because Earth is round. As shown by countless things. Including the south celestial pole.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 09:34:18 AM

To go south would just take you in one big circle, this is why Columbus never fell of the edge as the earth is circumferenced by Antarctica's iced walls.

On your FE, going south would either take you off the edge, or take you to these magical new lands.

In reality, going south takes you to a point, the south pole.
The point under the south celestial pole.

Watch this video if you want to learn more b/c at the mo you don't seem to know a lot.

https://www.brighteon.com/f2e7653f-d115-47a1-9963-c16d714e5dbd

Watch this video if you want to learn more b/c at the mo you don't seem to know a lot.

https://www.brighteon.com/f2e7653f-d115-47a1-9963-c16d714e5dbd

Vs?  You just posting lots of random links with no actual argument? 

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 01:37:20 PM

Watch this video if you want to learn more b/c at the mo you don't seem to know a lot.

https://www.brighteon.com/f2e7653f-d115-47a1-9963-c16d714e5dbd

Vs?  You just posting lots of random links with no actual argument?

Watch the video then we can discuss it.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 13, 2024, 01:51:25 PM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 13, 2024, 01:37:20 PM

Watch this video if you want to learn more b/c at the mo you don't seem to know a lot.

https://www.brighteon.com/f2e7653f-d115-47a1-9963-c16d714e5dbd

Vs?  You just posting lots of random links with no actual argument?

Watch the video then we can discuss it.

Discuss what?  I was in the navy and sailed around the world and all major land masses are discovered and accounted for. Also flew around the world on leave.  No ice wall around the continents.  No “gurad” to keep people off Antarctica. 


What now?  Parcheesi? Cribbage? 

How about instead of looking at a mythical past debunked by celestial navigation. 

Let’s discuss the possibilities in the future?

The Universe: Life On Another Planet! "The Next Earth?! (S3, E9) | Full Episode

How about instead of looking at a mythical past debunked by celestial navigation. 

Let’s discuss the possibilities in the future?

The Universe: Life On Another Planet! "The Next Earth?! (S3, E9) | Full Episode

Lol'z - And why don't we watch an episode of star trek why we're at it.