Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof

Quote from: Timeisup on February 10, 2024, 01:30:21 AM

So I take it you think the sun will suddenly stop in its orbit and reverse?

Are you capable of responding honestly?
I assume no.

Again, why did you dismiss the paper on the Allais effect as nonsense?

You are bonkers.

Ive not dismissed any scientific paper all thats in your imagination. What drives you to tell such lies only you know.
This is what I said. Words you as always ignore then distort;

"You really are crackers. Im not dismissing the scientific paper I'm dismissing this:-

" the Sun will stop right at noon time, in everyone's view, from its orbit above the surface of the Earth. Most probably this event will take place during the first total solar eclipse after an equinox (autumnal/vernal). Then, the Sun will reverse its trajectory in the sky (a reversal of its orbit) in order to go back to where it rose from that day. Consequently, it will rise again, but from the west in order to reach its setting place in the east."

Are you really so incapable of following a simple post?

What you constantly fail to understand is the actual basis that all these mad notions are based on.

You saying Im basing what I believe on some mad collection of experts is so far removed from reality it's not even worth taking issue with. I believe in accepted validated and proven science which has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue on this particular discussion. This particular discussion is rooted in madness and not in science. The random links Sandokhan has given have no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. If you think they have then you are as mad as he."

 The random links Sandokhan has given have no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. If you think they have then you are as mad as he."

 The random links Sandokhan has given have no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. If you think they have then you are as mad as he."

 The random links Sandokhan has given have no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. If you think they have then you are as mad as he."

You are free to buy into the madness of Sandokhan and add your own but in in no way changes the facts

In FET, the sun stopping in its orbit and rising from the west is the norm

While FEN does have completely insane motion of the sun, it doesn't have the sun stopping as the norm. Instead it has the sun continuing to move, rising in the east and setting in the west.

The fact that there is another planet between Mercury and the Sun can no longer be disputed

You mean the claim that there is one really can't be disputed, as it has been refuted.

Now again, where is the text of the prophecy. Why should this be fine for a FE but not a RE?

You are bonkers.

Ive not dismissed any scientific paper all thats in your imagination. What drives you to tell such lies only you know.

Great job projecting again.

Once more, here is your post:

Quote from: sandokhan on February 06, 2024, 10:00:47 PM

Since you like to listen to the experts, here's one of the best: Dr. Maurice Allais.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382

Until and unless you can explain the Allais effect, the solar eclipse is caused by a different heavenly body (not by the Moon). You cannot even explain a simple solar eclipse in your heliocentrical context.

Loki is Jupiter in the Titan version, day of Thursday. Thor is Mars (Tuesday). Odin is Saturn (Saturday). Tyr is Mercury (Wednesday). In the Olympian version, Thor is the Orion constellation, the hammer is represented by the Pleiades. The Great Red Spot of Jupiter gave birth to Venus at the Deluge, and is in the process of giving birth again to a similar star/planet (see the 2010 movie stellar ignition).

In FET the diameter of the Sun measures 636 meters; that's the equivalent of 152 days (1.5 km/year or 4.2 meters/day, westward precessional shift, for a year of 365 days in the heliocentrical context; in FE the length of the year is 364 days, where each day is a little longer); now we can infer where the famous 150 days in revelation 9 come from. The interval alloted for the pressional shift of the Sun amounts to 508.8 km, and very soon that interval will be used up. I believe that the reset starts when the center of the diameter of the Sun aligns again at the end of one of the six gates for a new cycle of precession.

Where do you obtain all this nonsense you regurgitate?
What leads you to believe in all you present that has no credibility in the real world?
...

It is there for everyone to see.
He knows how much you love experts, so he brought up an expert that he claims shows a problem with the RE model.
If you follow the link in that post, you will find a more comprehensive discussion, with lots of links to papers.

Are you really so incapable of following a simple post?

While FEN does have completely insane motion of the sun, it doesn't have the sun stopping as the norm.

Actually, it did have the sun stopping as a norm:

Aborigines of the New World: “the Sun and the moon had equal light in the past."


At the other end of the world the Japanese asserted the same: the Nihongi Chronicle says that in the past "the radiance of the moon was next to that of the sun in splendor."


Traditions of many peoples maintain that the Moon lost a large part of its light and became much dimmer than it had been in earlier ages.


The memory of a world without a moon lives in oral tradition among the Indians. The Indians of the Bogota highlands in the eastern Cordilleras of Colombia relate some of their tribal reminiscences to the time before there was a moon. "In the earliest times, when the moon was not yet in the heavens," say the tribesmen of Chibchas.


Traditions of diverse peoples offer corroborative testimony to the effect that in a very early age, but still in the memory of mankind, no moon accompanied the Earth.


At that point in time, before the Deluge, there were two suns in the sky: the Moon was the second Sun, both stationary at the spring equinox point, one for each semiplane.


My concern is with this quote:

In Thrace we have the following account: there is a period at the end of which the sun, moon, and all the planets return to their original position.


Where exactly was the original position? At the equinox.


There are three possible scenarios, the third one is the most startling:

I. The sun will rise from the west (either after the equinox, a total solar eclipse, or at the solstice) and set in the east, while the inclination of the solar disk would be modified for a colder climate. Not a real reset.

II. The displacement of the sidereal zodiac (and of the solar orbit) will be sudden, taking place at one of the tropics: Gemini will be seen at the vernal equinox point again. Of course, the sun will rise from the west. Again, not a real reset, but we are staying within the boundaries of the two tropics.

III. The third option is absolutely startling: the sun's path will reach beyond the Tropic of Cancer and will travel forward to the North Pole. This would truly be the fulfillment of the concept of a western sun. How long would it take to reach the NP? Some six months. Then, once it reaches the NP, the displacement will be sudden, and the sun's orbit will be  a beeline for the southern winter solstice point (or for the spring equinox). Otherwise, at the current westward precessional rate/shift of 1.5 km/year, it would take some 3.5 years to follow the circumference from the NP to the winter solstice point.

Right now, the orbit of the sun looks like this:



Rotate the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn by 23.5 degrees, and we get the upper and lower bounds for the orbit of the Sun on a flat earth.

This would be the most astounding phenomenon: for the sun to follow an orbit which would take it beyond one of the tropics.



As for references:

صلى الله عليه وسلم  said, "Hasten to do good deeds before six (things happen): Rising of the sun from the West..."

 صلى الله عليه وسلم  say, 'The first of the Signs that will come is the rising of the sun from the place of its setting and the emergence of the Daabba  to people in Duha (later portion of the morning before noon). Whichever of these two (signs) occurs before the other, then the other one will occur immediately after it." 

صلى الله عليه وسلم  say, "Verily a night equivalent to three of your nights will come upon people. When it comes, those who engage themselves in worship during the night will recognize it. A person will stand in prayer, read a section of the Quran and then go to sleep. Thereafter, he will wake up, stand in prayer and read a section of the Quran, then go to sleep. While this condition remains, the people will begin to shout, scream and call one another. They will say, "What is this?" With fear, they will run to the mosque. To their surprise, they will see that the sun has risen from the West. When it reaches the middle of the sky, it will return and set in the West."


The Vedic cosmology informs us that the dome receded from its wonted place by 100 yojanas (1000-1500 km): the change was sudden, the Great Bear came bowing down.

Sun still rose in the east this morning.

Did I miss anything?

Actually, it did have the sun stopping as a norm:

Focus on now, not what you have claimed has happened in the past.
We have the sun rising from the east and setting in the west.
Rising from the west and setting in the east is not the norm.
The sun stopping is not the norm.

And even your quotes don't support your claim.
All they show is that the moon is bright.

My concern is with this quote:

If you want to say you have a concern with a quote, provide a reference to the quote. Not just your paraphrase of it.

There are three possible scenarios, the third one is the most startling:

And you leave out the simplest.
That there is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary, and it is just what a superstitious group of people said.

As for references:

صلى الله عليه وسلم  said, "Hasten to do good deeds before six (things happen): Rising of the sun from the West..."

 صلى الله عليه وسلم  say, 'The first of the Signs that will come is the rising of the sun from the place of its setting and the emergence of the Daabba  to people in Duha (later portion of the morning before noon). Whichever of these two (signs) occurs before the other, then the other one will occur immediately after it." 

صلى الله عليه وسلم  say, "Verily a night equivalent to three of your nights will come upon people. When it comes, those who engage themselves in worship during the night will recognize it. A person will stand in prayer, read a section of the Quran and then go to sleep. Thereafter, he will wake up, stand in prayer and read a section of the Quran, then go to sleep. While this condition remains, the people will begin to shout, scream and call one another. They will say, "What is this?" With fear, they will run to the mosque. To their surprise, they will see that the sun has risen from the West. When it reaches the middle of the sky, it will return and set in the West."

And the latter would indicate the sun stops at night, for quite some time.
Not at mid day. It then rises from the west, for less than a day, going to mid day and then going back down to the west.

Now again, explain why this is fine for a FE, including the mechanism which causes the sun to magically stop, and then magically go backwards, going to mid day and then continuing on its normal course setting in the west.
As otherwise, it appears to be an entirely supernatural event which wouldn't matter if Earth was round or flat; and the only way it indicates flat or round, is by the lack of any sense of time zones where it more acts like the entire world will be in night.

Sun still rose in the east this morning.

Did I miss anything?

Are you certain it rose in the East this morning? If it's an overcast morning, it can be hard to tell.

Sandokhan is never wrong.

The only way to get two consecutive winters in the northern semiplane is if there is a magnetic reversal, where we become the southern semiplane, and the summer solstice initiates the start of winter.

We don't need the Sun to go to the NP: once it touches the outer limit (the summer solstice, let's say), then for 152 days (1.5 km/yr and 636 m in diameter), for the necessary precessional reset, it will go beyond the northern tropic, and then come back for another 152 days (304 days total), that's two consecutive winters.

Here are some 700 maps depicting California as an island in the 18th century:

https://searchworks.stanford.edu/catalog?f%5Bcollection%5D%5B%5D=zb871zd0767

https://searchworks.stanford.edu/?f%5Bcollection%5D%5B%5D=zb871zd0767&page=2

Maps showing California as part of the continent appear after 1820 or thereabouts.

“California is undoubtedly an island. Why, I have had in my office mariners who have sailed round it.”

Herman Moll, 1711 AD

http://californiaasanisland.org/

The sun still rose from the east this morning.  Did I miss anything?

The only way to get two consecutive winters

Your prophecy says a night as long as three, then the sun rising in the west till mid day where it then continues along its normal path, i.e. goes back to set in the west.

It does not say 2 consecutive winters.

Now again, how does this happen without supernatural intervention with a FE?

The only way to get two consecutive winters in the northern semiplane is if there is a magnetic reversal, where we become the southern semiplane, and the summer solstice initiates the start of winter.

We don't need the Sun to go to the NP: once it touches the outer limit (the summer solstice, let's say), then for 152 days (1.5 km/yr and 636 m in diameter), for the necessary precessional reset, it will go beyond the northern tropic, and then come back for another 152 days (304 days total), that's two consecutive winters.

Here are some 700 maps depicting California as an island in the 18th century:

https://searchworks.stanford.edu/catalog?f%5Bcollection%5D%5B%5D=zb871zd0767

https://searchworks.stanford.edu/?f%5Bcollection%5D%5B%5D=zb871zd0767&page=2

Maps showing California as part of the continent appear after 1820 or thereabouts.

“California is undoubtedly an island. Why, I have had in my office mariners who have sailed round it.”

Herman Moll, 1711 AD

http://californiaasanisland.org/

I went into the link you posted. Is this your way of subtley telling everybody you are no longer a flat earther and are a globe earther? The reason I say this, is because I have never seen so many globe earth depictions collected together in one place, in all my life.

As for California being an island, and one of those maps depicting California as an island, you show me the map. I can't find it. Besides, what the hell does California as an island have to do with your upcoming ultimate flat earth proof? What the hell does it have to do with anything? Who cares?

It has nothing to do with anything, Sandy.

 

Even if multiple people posted videos of this happening they would just call it an optical effect or a group FE hoax and move on with their lives.

Now again, how does this happen without supernatural intervention with a FE?

If you do not like supernatural events, then you are in for a great deal of surprises exactly of this kind in the near future.

If you do not like supernatural events, then please explain to your readers why the energy levels of all of the atoms (including U-238) are related to the distribution of the zeta zeros:

https://www.ias.edu/ideas/2013/primes-random-matrices

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.07481.pdf

Do you understand the implications?

An unconscious nature had to solve the Riemann hypothesis before the initiation of the big bang.

As for California being an island, and one of those maps depicting California as an island, you show me the map. I can't find it. Besides, what the hell does California as an island have to do with your upcoming ultimate flat earth proof? What the hell does it have to do with anything? Who cares?

Plenty of maps here for you:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2169555#msg2169555



Map of North America (1719 AD), Herman Moll (England's foremost cartographer of his day, geographer to the King)

“California is undoubtedly an island. Why, I have had in my office mariners who have sailed round it.”

Herman Moll, 1711 AD



Map of California, 1705 AD, Nicholas de Fer (the most well-known mapmaker of France of his day)


What is the significance of these facts? First of all, it means a stupendous catastrophe had occurred at the start of the 19th century, when the island of California became realigned with the continent.

Modern astronomy tells that the Great Comet of 1811 was the C/1811 F1 comet.

Not a chance.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070204020916/http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/1811.htm

On November 4, [William J.] Burchell (near the Vaal River about 50 miles west of present day Kimberly, South Africa) wrote, "as I lay waiting for sleep, and amusing myself in observing the constellations above my head, I noticed a faint nebulous star of the third magnitude, which I had not been used to see in that part of the heavens. Looking at it more attentively, it appeared plainly to be a comet." He said it was located in the tail of Aquila and formed a right triangle with Alpha Cygni and Alpha Lyrae.



"Note that Burchell's 04 Nov 1811 magnitude 3 comet in the tail of Aquila is approximately 35 degrees SSE from the ephemeris position for C/1811 F1 on the same date."

The C/1811 F1 comet was used a cover story for the planetary body which sprang forth and was first seen in the Aquila (Garuda) constellation.

This author believes that the New Madrid earthquake was caused by a meteor strike from the Great Comet of 1811:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201125055232/https://www.earthfrenzyradio.com/conspiracies/2422-the-great-comet-quake-of-1811-a-neo-connection

https://archaeologica.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3691

Did the island of California realign itself with the continent in 1811-1812? The maps certainly seem to indicate so.


You should all be concerned with this: how in the world could the author of Revelation 9 specify that the sun will rise from the west for exactly 150 days (five months)? We all know that the "apocalypse" will start with this event: the sun rising from the west, as I have explained here. There is no one today, using sophisticated computers and observation techniques, who would dare to put forward a date concerning the impact of a comet on the surface of the Earth. Yet, that author had made the most radical statement ever, specifying that the sun will rise from the west for exactly 150 days. How can that be? What data did he have at his disposal to make such a bewildering statement?

Diameter of the Sun: 636 meters. Westward precessional shift: 1.5 km/year. That's 152-154 days. Once the Sun starts the astronomical reset, it will go beyond the outer limit of one of the Tropics for 152 days.

If you do not like supernatural events, then you are in for a great deal of surprises exactly of this kind in the near future.

If you admit it is supernatural, then you entirely lose your argument.

Your argument was that the RE can't explain it, because it can't explain how the sun/Earth stops.
But if you have it be a supernatural event, then that God can do it, and there is no problem for the RE.

That means your ultimate proof entirely fails.

So, is that what you are saying?
That this alleged upcoming event is supernatural in nature and thus could happen on a FE or a RE, and so it is not FE proof at all?

energy levels ... zeta zeros

This has nothing at all to do with this thread.

Do you understand the implications?

Yes. Do you?
That you are so hopeless at defending your own claims, that you need to flee and spout mountains of other BS.

You should all be concerned with this: how in the world could the author of Revelation 9 specify that the sun will rise from the west for exactly 150 days

Why should we be concerned with your fantasy?
I don't see anything in revelation 9 saying the sun will rise from the west for 150 days. You are just making up crap.

Even if they did say that, you would still need it to happen.

That would also contradict the prophecy you provided above which has it stop overnight so a night has the length of 3 nights, then rise from the west, reach its peak and then go back to normal.

Diameter of the Sun: 636 meters.

As has already been pointed out. We know it isn't.
If that was the case, the sun, with an angular size of ~0.5 degrees, would need to be a mere 72 km away.
That would cause its angular position to change dramatically over a tiny area, which it simply doesn't.

Repeating the same false claims wont help you.

That's 152-154 days.

So not even matching the 150 you claim?

Quote

Now again, how does this happen without supernatural intervention with a FE?

If you do not like supernatural events, then you are in for a great deal of surprises exactly of this kind in the near future.

If you do not like supernatural events, then please explain to your readers why the energy levels of all of the atoms (including U-238) are related to the distribution of the zeta zeros:

https://www.ias.edu/ideas/2013/primes-random-matrices

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.07481.pdf

Do you understand the implications?

An unconscious nature had to solve the Riemann hypothesis before the initiation of the big bang.

Quote

As for California being an island, and one of those maps depicting California as an island, you show me the map. I can't find it. Besides, what the hell does California as an island have to do with your upcoming ultimate flat earth proof? What the hell does it have to do with anything? Who cares?

Plenty of maps here for you:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2169555#msg2169555



Map of North America (1719 AD), Herman Moll (England's foremost cartographer of his day, geographer to the King)

“California is undoubtedly an island. Why, I have had in my office mariners who have sailed round it.”

Herman Moll, 1711 AD



Map of California, 1705 AD, Nicholas de Fer (the most well-known mapmaker of France of his day)


What is the significance of these facts? First of all, it means a stupendous catastrophe had occurred at the start of the 19th century, when the island of California became realigned with the continent.

Modern astronomy tells that the Great Comet of 1811 was the C/1811 F1 comet.

Not a chance.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070204020916/http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/1811.htm

On November 4, [William J.] Burchell (near the Vaal River about 50 miles west of present day Kimberly, South Africa) wrote, "as I lay waiting for sleep, and amusing myself in observing the constellations above my head, I noticed a faint nebulous star of the third magnitude, which I had not been used to see in that part of the heavens. Looking at it more attentively, it appeared plainly to be a comet." He said it was located in the tail of Aquila and formed a right triangle with Alpha Cygni and Alpha Lyrae.



"Note that Burchell's 04 Nov 1811 magnitude 3 comet in the tail of Aquila is approximately 35 degrees SSE from the ephemeris position for C/1811 F1 on the same date."

The C/1811 F1 comet was used a cover story for the planetary body which sprang forth and was first seen in the Aquila (Garuda) constellation.

This author believes that the New Madrid earthquake was caused by a meteor strike from the Great Comet of 1811:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201125055232/https://www.earthfrenzyradio.com/conspiracies/2422-the-great-comet-quake-of-1811-a-neo-connection

https://archaeologica.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3691

Did the island of California realign itself with the continent in 1811-1812? The maps certainly seem to indicate so.


You should all be concerned with this: how in the world could the author of Revelation 9 specify that the sun will rise from the west for exactly 150 days (five months)? We all know that the "apocalypse" will start with this event: the sun rising from the west, as I have explained here. There is no one today, using sophisticated computers and observation techniques, who would dare to put forward a date concerning the impact of a comet on the surface of the Earth. Yet, that author had made the most radical statement ever, specifying that the sun will rise from the west for exactly 150 days. How can that be? What data did he have at his disposal to make such a bewildering statement?

Diameter of the Sun: 636 meters. Westward precessional shift: 1.5 km/year. That's 152-154 days. Once the Sun starts the astronomical reset, it will go beyond the outer limit of one of the Tropics for 152 days.

Listen, I have never even been to America, so I wasn't raised on the facts of their great country. However, I've never ever heard of California being an island in the recent past. So, I'm extremely dubious of the authenticity of these maps you've coughed up.

But, I'll play your little game. Let's say for arguments sake the map is correct about California 200 years ago being an island. Only an island by way of a strait mind you. So, what happened? Tell us how that strait disappeared and California stopped being an island.

I'm just joshing ya. Those old maps erroneously refer to the Baja peninsula which back in the 1500's, explorers mistakenly thought indicated California to be an island.

Even if they did say that, you would still need it to happen.

That is the subject of this thread, to warn all of you of what is about to happen.

If that was the case, the sun, with an angular size of ~0.5 degrees, would need to be a mere 72 km away.
That would cause its angular position to change dramatically over a tiny area, which it simply doesn't.

You are forgetting about the ether above and under the atmosphere, as always. Remember Wolfgang Pauli's calculation from 1932, where he proved that should the ether (zero point energy) exist, then the radius of curvature of the Universe is 31 km.

Tell us how that strait disappeared and California stopped being an island.

That is exactly the subject matter of this treatise:

http://californiaasanisland.org/

A summary is provided here with matching maps:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2169877#msg2169877 (two consecutive messages)

I hold it to be certain and proven that the whole Kingdom of California discovered on this voyage, is the largest island known or which has been discovered up to the present day, and that it is separated from the provinces of New Mexico by the Mediterranean Sea of California, which some call "Mar de Cortes"

Antonio de la Ascension, assistant cosmographer for Vizcaino's voyage

Wagner, Spanish Voyages

I notice you entirely ignored the fact that Revelations doesn't say 150 days, that your later math doesn't match 150 days; and most importantly, that an admission that it is a supernatural event entirely destroys the claim of it being a FE proof.

Again:
Your argument was that the RE can't explain it, because it can't explain how the sun/Earth stops.
But if you have it be a supernatural event, then that God can do it, and there is no problem for the RE.

That means your ultimate proof entirely fails.

So, is that what you are saying?
That this alleged upcoming event is supernatural in nature and thus could happen on a FE or a RE, and so it is not FE proof at all?

That is the subject of this thread, to warn all of you of what is about to happen.

Which so far remains an entirely empty claim.

You are forgetting

No. I'm not forgetting your magic pixie dust that you have absolutely no evidence of; nor the same pathetic lie you have repeated so many times and entirely ignored the refutation of.
Again, these have nothing to do with the topic.

I notice you entirely ignored the fact that Revelations doesn't say 150 days, that your later math doesn't match 150 days; and most importantly, that an admission that it is a supernatural event entirely destroys the claim of it being a FE proof.

Does your definition of "supernatural" include four trillion billion liters in place next to the outer surface of a sphere? Does it deal with an explosion out of nothing at all which later became our visible universe? Does it involve using dark matter and dark energy (96% total) to try to explain astrophysics, since attractive gravity represents just 4% of the forces? You might want to think about the supernatural again.

The apocalypse starts with the sun rising from the west. The apocalyptic events of the revelation start in ch 8 with comet Wormwood, and this comet is again described at the start of ch 9 (which is related to ch 13:11). Then 150 days ensue. A figure which matches the precessional shift of the FE Sun for the entirety of its diameter (636 meters, 1.5 km/year precession).

Your argument was that the RE can't explain it, because it can't explain how the sun/Earth stops.
But if you have it be a supernatural event, then that God can do it, and there is no problem for the RE.

No. The RE will be out of luck. The best that will be done is to ascribe the sun rising from the west together with the other events to the arrival of Garuda, Le Verrier's Vulcan planet. How are you going to explain the Sun reversing its orbit and going beyond one of the Tropics for five months? Very difficult to explain for the RE.

In addition, there will be the following astronomical event: the galactic wave, bursting from Sagittarius A (tail of Scorpio) and aiming for Betelgeuse and Rasalgeuse (Pollux).

A terrible star, or the kind called Mu-sho-sho-no-no, the star with a very long tail, descended very close upon our skies. It came so close that the earth turned upside down and what had become the sky became down, and what was the heavens became up. The whole world was turned upside down. The sun rose in the south and set in the north. Then came drops of burning black stuff, like molten tar, which burned every living thing on earth that could not escape. After that came a terrible deluge of water accompanied by winds so great that they blew whole mountaintops away. And after that came huge chunks of ice bigger than any mountain and the whole world was covered with ice for many generations. After that the surviving people saw an amazing sight. They saw rivers and streams of water that they could drink, and they saw that some of the fishes that escaped from the sea were now living in these rivers. That is the great story of our forefathers. And we are told that this thing is going to happen again very soon. Because the great star, which is the lava of our sun, is going to return on the day of the year of the red bull.

Does your definition of "supernatural" include four trillion billion liters in place next to the outer surface of a sphere?

No. It does not include perfectly natural phenomenon.

Now stop with the pathetic deflections.

Again:
Your argument was that the RE can't explain it, because it can't explain how the sun/Earth stops.
But if you have it be a supernatural event, then that God can do it, and there is no problem for the RE.

That means your ultimate proof entirely fails.

So, is that what you are saying?
That this alleged upcoming event is supernatural in nature and thus could happen on a FE or a RE, and so it is not FE proof at all?

The apocalypse starts with the sun rising from the west.

But the prophecy you provided before said a night as long as three. THEN the sun would rise from the west.

The apocalyptic events of the revelation start in ch 8 with comet Wormwood

So not the sun rising from the west so you are contradicting yourself yet again?

Then 150 days ensue.

Again, where is this coming from?

A figure which matches the precessional shift of the FE Sun for the entirety of its diameter (636 meters, 1.5 km/year precession).

Except it doesn't.
You got a different number.
150 is NOT 152.

But again, we know that diameter is BS.

No. The RE will be out of luck.

No. It wont.
If your supernatural fantasy comes true, it just means "god did it".

In order for the RE to be out of luck, you need a natural explanation for the FE and need to have this be a natural event, rather than a supernatural one.
If it is a supernatural event with a god doing which break the laws of physics, then this god can do it regardless of the shape of Earth.

How are you going to explain

God.
As you claim it is supernatural.
Or are you saying your god is so pathetic it is incapable of that?

Again, in order to have it show FE, you need a FE to be able to explain it without magic.
Considering FE can't explain basically anything without magic, I highly doubt that will happen.

The sun rose in the south and set in the north.

So now you want to say south, not west?

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I notice you entirely ignored the fact that Revelations doesn't say 150 days, that your later math doesn't match 150 days; and most importantly, that an admission that it is a supernatural event entirely destroys the claim of it being a FE proof.

Does your definition of "supernatural" include four trillion billion liters in place next to the outer surface of a sphere? Does it deal with an explosion out of nothing at all which later became our visible universe? Does it involve using dark matter and dark energy (96% total) to try to explain astrophysics, since attractive gravity represents just 4% of the forces? You might want to think about the supernatural again.

The apocalypse starts with the sun rising from the west. The apocalyptic events of the revelation start in ch 8 with comet Wormwood, and this comet is again described at the start of ch 9 (which is related to ch 13:11). Then 150 days ensue. A figure which matches the precessional shift of the FE Sun for the entirety of its diameter (636 meters, 1.5 km/year precession).

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Your argument was that the RE can't explain it, because it can't explain how the sun/Earth stops.
But if you have it be a supernatural event, then that God can do it, and there is no problem for the RE.

No. The RE will be out of luck. The best that will be done is to ascribe the sun rising from the west together with the other events to the arrival of Garuda, Le Verrier's Vulcan planet. How are you going to explain the Sun reversing its orbit and going beyond one of the Tropics for five months? Very difficult to explain for the RE.

In addition, there will be the following astronomical event: the galactic wave, bursting from Sagittarius A (tail of Scorpio) and aiming for Betelgeuse and Rasalgeuse (Pollux).

A terrible star, or the kind called Mu-sho-sho-no-no, the star with a very long tail, descended very close upon our skies. It came so close that the earth turned upside down and what had become the sky became down, and what was the heavens became up. The whole world was turned upside down. The sun rose in the south and set in the north. Then came drops of burning black stuff, like molten tar, which burned every living thing on earth that could not escape. After that came a terrible deluge of water accompanied by winds so great that they blew whole mountaintops away. And after that came huge chunks of ice bigger than any mountain and the whole world was covered with ice for many generations. After that the surviving people saw an amazing sight. They saw rivers and streams of water that they could drink, and they saw that some of the fishes that escaped from the sea were now living in these rivers. That is the great story of our forefathers. And we are told that this thing is going to happen again very soon. Because the great star, which is the lava of our sun, is going to return on the day of the year of the red bull.

Which prophecy of Armageddon is this one, Sando? Any specific year attached, or is it just open to the reader to pluck a year and date out of their backside, like you seem to have done?

The only way your prophecy of the sun rising in the West could come close to being realised is if a comet were to come so close to Earth on one side, that it appeared to be the sun rising in the West, to observers, but in actuality, were a comet.

What I have described here (details you won't find anywhere else) is the standard duration of time for the apocalypse, no surprises. However, I like surprises, and after what we have been through for the past four years, I think we deserve something, an astronomical event, which will shorten (reduce) the 304 days period.

So now you want to say south, not west?

That's actually west. The prophecy comes from the Zulu tribe of South Africa. The sun now rises from somewhere beyond Japan (east) and sets beyond Antarctica (west), in order to rise again and return to the point of origin. What Credo Mutwa was saying is that the sun will rise from Antarctica and reverse its trajectory.

What I have described here (details you won't find anywhere else) is the standard duration of time for the apocalypse, no surprises.

So you are saying you came up with this all by yourself, that it isn't based upon any prophecy, and any attempt by you to connect it to your FE fantasy is entirely circular.

That's actually west.

Then why does it say south?
South is not west.

The sun now rises from somewhere beyond Japan (east) and sets beyond Antarctica (west)

No, Antarctica is south, not west.

The prophecies regarding the sunrise from the west are well-known. But no one could explain the 150 days (five months) period.

I believe that there will be an astronomical surprise, either Garuda or comet Encke (Gochihr), or both.

The precursor to all of these events will be a huge conflict in the Persian Gulf.

Here is the Piri Reis map with latitudes:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170313164108/http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/Graphics-Other/PSCI/pirireis2.gif

Rotate the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn by 23.5 degrees, and we get the upper and lower bounds for the orbit of the Sun on a flat earth.

That place beyond Antarctica, where the sun sets and rises again, is south-west:

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0805/antarcticeclipse_bruenjes_big.jpg

But no one could explain the 150 days (five months) period.

You mean no one could baselessly assert it.
Yet here you are doing it now.

Again, the prophecy you provided is a night as long as 3, then rise from the west to mid day, then continue like normal.
That is not saying 150 days.

That is a number you have made up, with no basis, and which contradicts the prophecy you appeal to.

I also notice you have yet again ignored the fact that it being supernatural means it isn't a FE proof.

The prophecies regarding the sunrise from the west are well-known. But no one could explain the 150 days (five months) period.

I believe that there will be an astronomical surprise, either Garuda or comet Encke (Gochihr), or both.

The precursor to all of these events will be a huge conflict in the Persian Gulf.

Here is the Piri Reis map with latitudes:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170313164108/http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/Graphics-Other/PSCI/pirireis2.gif

Rotate the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn by 23.5 degrees, and we get the upper and lower bounds for the orbit of the Sun on a flat earth.

That place beyond Antarctica, where the sun sets and rises again, is south-west:

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0805/antarcticeclipse_bruenjes_big.jpg

Sando, I really enjoy hearing predictions of the Apocalypse. Would you like to know why? Too bad if you don't, I'm going to tell you anyway.

Any prediction of the apocalypse is a 100% guarantee to not come true.

So by all means....keep your apocalypse predictions coming, Sando!

https://twitter.com/hermesisos/status/1758145702943752610

How about a picture of an actual weather event.  A rainbow to the west at sunrise..



Oh, the sun still rose in the east yesterday….