Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2024, 12:51:52 PM »
Are you of the opinion that gravity is attractive?
Are you of the opinion that your OP is such utter garbage, truly delusional nonsense, that you know it has no chance of being FE proof; and so you need to flee from it by trying to change the topic?

Please say yes and make my day.

If not, stop spamming BS and deal with your OP.

Provide a source for this prophecy, and explain why it magically works for a FE but not a RE; considering BOTH would require supernatural intervention.

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2024, 01:56:46 PM »
You seem to be very scared of this thread, it is not making your day, not by a long shot.

Very simple to explain: the FE Sun undergoes a westward precessional shift of 1.5 km/year. We know the precise angle between the two tropics, and the radius of FE (6363.63 km). Divide this figure by 6 (six gates, six months). You'll end with a working model of 508.8 km (the alloted interval for the solar precession), that's 339 years.

You can't be as dumb as to not infer what has been happening to the Sun for the past year, the gamma flares, the eruption of the numerous sun spots which are getting larger every month.

We are nearing the endpoint of the solar precessional cycle which most likely will take place close to an equinox. As it does, the Sun will simply stop during daytime right in the middle of the sky and then it will reverse its trajectory (orbital path). It will then rise from the west and set in the east. The transition to a new start will take, I think, some six months at most (the fimbulwinter).

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2024, 02:03:45 PM »
You seem to be very scared of this thread, it is not making your day, not by a long shot.
Quite the opposite.
You are so terrified of the thread, that you entirely flee from the topic and start bringing up all sorts of BS.

Even now you still flee from 2 simple requests.
Provide the actual text of the prophecy.
And then explain why these events necessitate a flat Earth rather than a round Earth given that both would require supernatural intervention.

These should be fairly simple requests if your claims were valid.
But you flee from them as if you know it shows you are spouting BS.

You can't be as dumb as to not infer what has been happening to the Sun for the past year, the gamma flares, the eruption of the numerous sun spots which are getting larger every month.
The sun goes through cycles. No biggy for me.
No reason to think your religious prophecy is coming to be.


As it does, the Sun will simply stop during daytime right in the middle of the sky
For who?

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2024, 02:19:12 PM »
You must be the most religious person on this forum. It takes an enormous amount of faith to believe that four trillion billion liters of water stay in place next to the outer surface of a geoid. Of course, you could be accused of having thrown your rational mind away, since no one can explain how those trillions of gallons of water are glued to the outer surface of a sphere/geoid (no less).

The Sun simply reaches the endpoint of its alloted space, and then it reverses its trajectory: its source of energy is a double torsion mechanism, same as a ball lightning torus.



You also seem not to understand what is going on. This scenario is possible ONLY for FET, never for RET. In RET, the Earth would have to stop from orbiting the Sun and reverse its orbit to reach the previous solstice.

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2024, 02:31:07 PM »
and a gravity field that holds the solar system together

Are you of the opinion that gravity is attractive?

Please say yes and make my day.

I’m off the opinion that you know nothing about the reality of science. Making random nonsense stuff up and mixing it with cut and paste equations along with random links  does not constitute science.


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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2024, 02:33:40 PM »
Are you not able to read?
I am. Are you? Because you don't seem to be able to.

He knows how much you love blindly following experts.
So he provided something to appeal to you.
Papers from an expert.
Which you then dismissed as nonsense.

Why are you dismissing these experts?

Are you so filled with hate and spite that you are unable to understand the nature of my posts, and even his?

Once more you demonstrate the true depth of your ignorance.

Are you and Sandokhan one and the same person? As you both demonstrate a colossal ignorance of science.

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Jack Black

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2024, 03:14:46 PM »
You must be the most religious person on this forum. It takes an enormous amount of faith to believe that four trillion billion liters of water stay in place next to the outer surface of a geoid. Of course, you could be accused of having thrown your rational mind away, since no one can explain how those trillions of gallons of water are glued to the outer surface of a sphere/geoid (no less).

The Sun simply reaches the endpoint of its alloted space, and then it reverses its trajectory: its source of energy is a double torsion mechanism, same as a ball lightning torus.



You also seem not to understand what is going on. This scenario is possible ONLY for FET, never for RET. In RET, the Earth would have to stop from orbiting the Sun and reverse its orbit to reach the previous solstice.

Oh Mr Sandokhanman, bring us a dream. Oh, you have! I see your dream is Earth is flat!

Do you even understand how the solstice works?

Do I need to close my eyes for your predictions to come true?
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2024, 03:30:22 PM »
Are you not able to read?
I am. Are you? Because you don't seem to be able to.

He knows how much you love blindly following experts.
So he provided something to appeal to you.
Papers from an expert.
Which you then dismissed as nonsense.

Why are you dismissing these experts?

Are you so filled with hate and spite that you are unable to understand the nature of my posts, and even his?

Once more you demonstrate the true depth of your ignorance.

I'm sorry, Joke Black, but I don't think Timisup is appealing to experts in dumbassery like you do. Maybe you should arrive at a definition for what constitutes an expert and what doesn't, and stick with it?
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2024, 11:57:07 PM »
You must be the most religious person on this forum. It takes an enormous amount of faith to believe that four trillion billion liters of water stay in place next to the outer surface of a geoid. Of course, you could be accused of having thrown your rational mind away, since no one can explain how those trillions of gallons of water are glued to the outer surface of a sphere/geoid (no less).

The Sun simply reaches the endpoint of its alloted space, and then it reverses its trajectory: its source of energy is a double torsion mechanism, same as a ball lightning torus.



You also seem not to understand what is going on. This scenario is possible ONLY for FET, never for RET. In RET, the Earth would have to stop from orbiting the Sun and reverse its orbit to reach the previous solstice.

Just because you don’t understand science and decide to believe in total and utter rubbish just goes to prove that all you come up with is just a pile of trash.

The question is why bother?


The sun is observed 24/7 by both ground based stations and satellites. Together they present a wealth of data that gives scientists a greater understanding of what actually is going on in and around the sun.

Where do you get your ‘data’ from? It looks like you pull it out your ass as it makes no sense whatsoever.

You say the sun is magically going to stop and then reverse!!! While at the same time doubting the oceans are held to the planet by gravity!

It appears you strive to believe in the utterly impossible while rejecting actual proven reality.

There is little point dealing with the details of your madness as they go way beyond madness, a madness that you are unable to see.

Your position is that every scientist, including the ones you are so fond of appealing to, would not only disagree with you but would consider what you are proposing to be totally preposterous.

Your position is based on every scientist on the planet being wrong along with reality itself being wrong, that’s how far down the rabbit hole of madness you have descended.

How can you justify such bullshit?
"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Jack Black

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2024, 12:53:09 AM »
You must be the most religious person on this forum.
Not in the slightest.
I am not the one spouting religious prophecies as if they are the ultimate proof.

[gravity]
This thread is not about your wilful rejection of gravity and the plentiful lies you spout about it.
It is about your BS prophecy.

Again, care to provide the text?
Care to explain how this REQUIRES a flat Earth given it would be a supernatural event anyway?

The Sun simply reaches the endpoint of its alloted space, and then it reverses its trajectory
What allotted space?
Why should this magically cause it to reverse its trajectory?

You also seem not to understand what is going on.
No, I understand quite well.
You spout pure BS, only to realise you can't defend and so you flee from it, and then spout more delusional BS on a different topic.

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2024, 12:58:34 AM »
Are you and Sandokhan one and the same person? As you both demonstrate a colossal ignorance of science.
You mean you are still butthurt and need to find a way to insult me?

You are the one with far more in common with Sandy than me.

You both appeal to "experts" and dismiss anything anyone says that doesn't fit your idea of what these experts believe.

Here you are, dismissing a scientific paper, because it doesn't match your world view.

You are the very thing you despise.

I'm sorry, Joke Black, but I don't think Timisup is appealing to experts in dumbassery like you do.
So you think physics is dumbassery?
So what experts is he appealing to?

Maybe you should arrive at a definition for what constitutes an expert and what doesn't, and stick with it?
Maybe Timmy should do that, and make it clear how he decides who is an expert and who isn't; and then he can tell us what expert told him that and allowed him to make that judgement.

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2024, 03:22:35 AM »
Could it have something to do with Photoshop

From the “Manual of the Perfect Flat-Earther”, page 1:

“When confronted with contrary evidence, just claim it's Photoshop or CGI. As EVERYTHING can be photoshopped or CGIed today, your claim CANNOT be refuted”

(just wondering: what becomes of all those “black swans” which should prove flatness?)


Until and unless you can explain the Allais effect, the solar eclipse is caused by a different heavenly body (not by the Moon). You cannot even explain a simple solar eclipse in your heliocentrical context.

Is Allais effect real? Evidence is inconclusive. But let's suppose it's REAL. So there could be some unknown effect. A fifth force? An anisotropy of space? A God-knows-what?

It COULD well be.

SO WHAT?

So we wouldn't know EVERYTHING !

Big surprise. There are dozens of unsolved problems in science. There have been lots in the past, which have been solved later. Let's remember the situation at the end of the 19th century. Newtonian mechanics and Newton's theory of gravity have had an astonishing success in predicting all sorts of things. Included the position of a planet (Neptune) never seen before. But there was this tiny little thing (the precession of Mercury's perihelion) which didn't add up. Then comes Einstein who, with his theories, explains this and much more.
And maybe in your imagination there are Newtonian physicists pulling out their hair at seeing their beloved theory replaced by Einstein's. LOL. It was a day of celebration for physicists, not of mourning. We had a very good theory of gravity, and now we have a still better one, TOO.
Because, with Einstein, Newton's theory has NOT become FALSE. It's still PART of the truth. Only, not the WHOLE truth. We now know, it's just E.'s theory in the limit case of low speeds and weak fields. We still regard Newton as one of the greatest scientists EVER. And we still use its theory every time we can, because it's so much easier than GR. In the same way, I know that Earth is a globe, but I use plane geometry to build a house, instead of the more complicated spherical geometry. I make errors, but less than 1 mm.
Same with Allais effect (if it's real). Maybe some more complete theory will be required, of which GR will be considered just a limit case. This is the way science progresses

“No, this proves that you cannot explain eclipses!”

LOL. Ancient Greek scientists were ALREADY able to explain eclipses, 2000 ys ago. Without ANY physics. Just observing that, in the few days before an eclipse, the Moon moved just on the right trajectory to be in the same apparent position as the Sun, at the right time. As for us, WE can predict the timing of an eclipse, to the second, and the zone of totality, to the tenth of mile. It's flat-earthers who cannot predict  ANYTHING (oh wait, you just predicted that the Sun will reverse its course. So let's wait and see)

“But this is a proof that some other celestial body is blocking the Sun”. Like saying “a cent is missing from the till, so this proves that King Kong or Godzilla came in through that little window and stole it”.
If you want to prove that some OTHER body (miraculously, of the same size as the Moon, moving at the same speed and being “there” just at the same time the Moon should have been, then miraculously vanishing away) blocked the Sun, YOU have to show that at that moment the Moon was somewhere else. Oh yes, some flat-earthers claim that the Moon is not a material object, that vanishes a day before the “new moon” then is reborn again. You could as well claim that the Sun dissolves in the ocean at sunset, then a new Sun (but with the SAME sunspots) is created the following morning. Or that the tree you see from your window vanishes when you sleep then is formed again when you wake up, and that anyone who says to have seen it at night is a paid shill, and any image of it at night is CGI. Logically possible? YES !! But...!

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2024, 03:36:55 AM »
Are you and Sandokhan one and the same person? As you both demonstrate a colossal ignorance of science.
You mean you are still butthurt and need to find a way to insult me?

You are the one with far more in common with Sandy than me.

You both appeal to "experts" and dismiss anything anyone says that doesn't fit your idea of what these experts believe.

Here you are, dismissing a scientific paper, because it doesn't match your world view.

You are the very thing you despise.

I'm sorry, Joke Black, but I don't think Timisup is appealing to experts in dumbassery like you do.
So you think physics is dumbassery?
So what experts is he appealing to?

Maybe you should arrive at a definition for what constitutes an expert and what doesn't, and stick with it?
Maybe Timmy should do that, and make it clear how he decides who is an expert and who isn't; and then he can tell us what expert told him that and allowed him to make that judgement.

You really are crackers. Im not dismissing the scientific paper I'm dismissing this:-

" the Sun will stop right at noon time, in everyone's view, from its orbit above the surface of the Earth. Most probably this event will take place during the first total solar eclipse after an equinox (autumnal/vernal). Then, the Sun will reverse its trajectory in the sky (a reversal of its orbit) in order to go back to where it rose from that day. Consequently, it will rise again, but from the west in order to reach its setting place in the east."

Are you really so incapable of following a simple post?

What you constantly fail to understand is the actual basis that all these mad notions are based on.

You saying Im basing what I believe on some mad collection of experts is so far removed from reality it's not even worth taking issue with. I believe in accepted validated and proven science which has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue on this particular discussion. This particular discussion is rooted in madness and not in science. The random links Sandokhan has given have no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. If you think they have then you are as mad as he.
"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Jack Black

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2024, 05:50:13 AM »
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“When confronted with contrary evidence, just claim it's Photoshop or CGI. As EVERYTHING can be photoshopped or CGIed today, your claim CANNOT be refuted”

You have posted a photograph which is fake. I have provided the definite proofs for this on page 1 of this thread, both the original pic (which does not show the Moon's features) and the fake image for a similar "earthshine" event. Moreover, I have posted the photographs from the November 2003 total solar eclipse, taken by the greatest photographer of astronomical events, Fred Bruenjes: no earthshine, none whatsoever.

The 'earthshine' phenomenon has appeared only in the age of photoshop.

Moreover, we have the Allais effect which PROVES that the Moon cannot cause the solar eclipse.

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Is Allais effect real? Evidence is inconclusive. But let's suppose it's REAL. So there could be some unknown effect. A fifth force? An anisotropy of space?

The evidence is total, 100% conclusive: many experiments have been carried out, during both solar/lunar eclipses, which prove the Allais effect is real.

Is your comment supposed to be a joke? The effect is TENS OF MILLIONS TIMES greater than the luni-solar gravitational component.

What?! A fifth force? By all means tell us more about this fifth force which evidences itself during a total solar eclipse. Which heavenly body could have such an influence on the Allais' pendulum?

An anisotropy of space you say? Then, the Earth is flat and ether does exist.



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The sun is observed 24/7 by both ground based stations and satellites.

Wonderful. So far, these observations prove that there is no "nuclear" engine for the Sun. The pressure in the chromosphere is minuscule, the CNO cycle rules out any "nuclear" reactions, the faint young sun paradox proves that the age of the Sun is very young which again obliterates the "nuclear" version.


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" the Sun will stop right at noon time, in everyone's view, from its orbit above the surface of the Earth. Most probably this event will take place during the first total solar eclipse after an equinox (autumnal/vernal). Then, the Sun will reverse its trajectory in the sky (a reversal of its orbit) in order to go back to where it rose from that day. Consequently, it will rise again, but from the west in order to reach its setting place in the east."

Are you really so incapable of following a simple post?

What you constantly fail to understand is the actual basis that all these mad notions are based on.

Unfortunately, this has happened before in history: take a look at all of the legends around the world, you can start with the story of Yima (persian mythology). All of these accounts mention a reversal of the seasons, a very long winter, the sudden displacement of the zodiac constellations.

I have posted the direct proofs (L. Alvarez, Nobel prize winner and L. Dolphin from Standford University) that show that the Gizeh pyramid was covered by sea water up to the altitude of 100 meters, AFTER it had been built. What is the nature of such a catastrophe (which is not mentioned anywhere in the history textbooks) that it could inundate the Gizeh plateau for months up to a height of 100 meters? It wasn't the Santorini volcanic explosion, you have the island of Crete as a huge obstacle, and the water was there for months to submerge the pyramids. So, I have definite proof that there was a cosmic/geological cataclysm which had flooded the Gizeh plateau. This alone proves my thesis.



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What allotted space?
Why should this magically cause it to reverse its trajectory?

By now, after 20000 or so messages, you should be familiar with my AFET, where there are six gates 1017.23 x 6 km. Now, given the westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km/year) you have an alloted interval for this precession for each gate: 508.8 km. Certainly we can go back to the 1683 Jupiter-Saturn great conjunction, in history. That's 340 years already, so we are nearing the end of the precessional cycle of the Sun.

Again, read the bibliographical material on Senmut's celestial depiction, where the entire order of the zodiacal constellations is shown as being reversed. This is what happens when the Sun reaches the end of that precessional cycle, for FET. I believe it has to do with the 636 meters (at 1.5 km/year, it amounts to 152 days) which is the diameter of the Sun; in order to renew the precessional cycle, the Sun has to move backward for the entire length of the diameter.

Now, if there is large scale conflagration in the Persian Gulf, that would be a definite sign for the end of the precessional cycle of the Sun.

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2024, 07:46:01 AM »
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“When confronted with contrary evidence, just claim it's Photoshop or CGI. As EVERYTHING can be photoshopped or CGIed today, your claim CANNOT be refuted”

You have posted a photograph which is fake. I have provided the definite proofs for this on page 1 of this thread, both the original pic (which does not show the Moon's features) and the fake image for a similar "earthshine" event. Moreover, I have posted the photographs from the November 2003 total solar eclipse, taken by the greatest photographer of astronomical events, Fred Bruenjes: no earthshine, none whatsoever.

The 'earthshine' phenomenon has appeared only in the age of photoshop.

Moreover, we have the Allais effect which PROVES that the Moon cannot cause the solar eclipse.

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Is Allais effect real? Evidence is inconclusive. But let's suppose it's REAL. So there could be some unknown effect. A fifth force? An anisotropy of space?

The evidence is total, 100% conclusive: many experiments have been carried out, during both solar/lunar eclipses, which prove the Allais effect is real.

Is your comment supposed to be a joke? The effect is TENS OF MILLIONS TIMES greater than the luni-solar gravitational component.

What?! A fifth force? By all means tell us more about this fifth force which evidences itself during a total solar eclipse. Which heavenly body could have such an influence on the Allais' pendulum?

An anisotropy of space you say? Then, the Earth is flat and ether does exist.



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The sun is observed 24/7 by both ground based stations and satellites.

Wonderful. So far, these observations prove that there is no "nuclear" engine for the Sun. The pressure in the chromosphere is minuscule, the CNO cycle rules out any "nuclear" reactions, the faint young sun paradox proves that the age of the Sun is very young which again obliterates the "nuclear" version.


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" the Sun will stop right at noon time, in everyone's view, from its orbit above the surface of the Earth. Most probably this event will take place during the first total solar eclipse after an equinox (autumnal/vernal). Then, the Sun will reverse its trajectory in the sky (a reversal of its orbit) in order to go back to where it rose from that day. Consequently, it will rise again, but from the west in order to reach its setting place in the east."

Are you really so incapable of following a simple post?

What you constantly fail to understand is the actual basis that all these mad notions are based on.

Unfortunately, this has happened before in history: take a look at all of the legends around the world, you can start with the story of Yima (persian mythology). All of these accounts mention a reversal of the seasons, a very long winter, the sudden displacement of the zodiac constellations.

I have posted the direct proofs (L. Alvarez, Nobel prize winner and L. Dolphin from Standford University) that show that the Gizeh pyramid was covered by sea water up to the altitude of 100 meters, AFTER it had been built. What is the nature of such a catastrophe (which is not mentioned anywhere in the history textbooks) that it could inundate the Gizeh plateau for months up to a height of 100 meters? It wasn't the Santorini volcanic explosion, you have the island of Crete as a huge obstacle, and the water was there for months to submerge the pyramids. So, I have definite proof that there was a cosmic/geological cataclysm which had flooded the Gizeh plateau. This alone proves my thesis.



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What allotted space?
Why should this magically cause it to reverse its trajectory?

By now, after 20000 or so messages, you should be familiar with my AFET, where there are six gates 1017.23 x 6 km. Now, given the westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km/year) you have an alloted interval for this precession for each gate: 508.8 km. Certainly we can go back to the 1683 Jupiter-Saturn great conjunction, in history. That's 340 years already, so we are nearing the end of the precessional cycle of the Sun.

Again, read the bibliographical material on Senmut's celestial depiction, where the entire order of the zodiacal constellations is shown as being reversed. This is what happens when the Sun reaches the end of that precessional cycle, for FET. I believe it has to do with the 636 meters (at 1.5 km/year, it amounts to 152 days) which is the diameter of the Sun; in order to renew the precessional cycle, the Sun has to move backward for the entire length of the diameter.

Now, if there is large scale conflagration in the Persian Gulf, that would be a definite sign for the end of the precessional cycle of the Sun.

Your technique of posting pure garbage dressed up with various appeals to experts fools no one.

Have you never considered the fact that none of the experts you quote would agree with you about your crack pot flat earth ideas that are no more than the ravings of a mad person.

Claiming all images of earth from space are just products of photoshop is pure rubbish. These images beamed from satellites can be downloaded in real time straight from the camera sensor.

The reality is you have to invent some means by which you can delude yourself into believing that not only are these images faked but every astronomer on earth both professional and amateur are somehow engaged in a global conspiracy.

You also have to invent ludicrous ideas to explain away regular natural phenomena like meteor showers and the reality of satellites that can be seen regular as clockwork.

As I have previously said when it comes to the sun this is observed 24/7 by both satellites and ground based stations and their interpretation of the sun is very different from your own crazy version that makes no sense whatsoever.

In a nutshell all you say is total bollocks.

"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Jack Black

Now that is a laugh!

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Re: Upcoming Ultimate FE Proof
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2024, 08:45:40 AM »
As always, I have the real experts on my side.

Dr. Luis Alvarez, Nobel prize winner

"Nobel Prize winning scientist Dr. Luis Alvarez was given the task of x-raying the pyramids at Giza to find hidden chambers. Using naturally occurring cosmic rays, his scheme was to place spark chambers, standard equipment in the high-energy particle physics of this time, beneath the second pyramid of Chephren in a known chamber. By measuring the counting rate of the cosmic rays in different directions the detector would reveal the existence of any void in the overlaying rock structure.

Alvarez and his team were about to use space age technology to look inside the oldest building in the world.

Dr. Luis Alvarez recommended using cosmic rays to x-ray all the pyramids in the Giza Plateau.

Archaeologist and author Ahmed Fakhry was his liaison in Egypt.

Their work continued until the Six-Day War in June 1967."



Preparing to X-ray the pyramids with Egyptologist Ahmed Fakhry and team leader Jerry Anderson, Berkeley, 1966.

"The results were ASTONISHING. The cosmic rays could not penetrate the water saturated limestone blocks of the pyramids."



"The x-ray team in front of the Great Pyramid. Alvarez is on the left."


In 1974, a massive 1 million dollar project was launched by the National Science Foundation in the U.S. to locate hidden chambers in the Giza pyramids.



(setting up the x-ray equipment in the Great Pyramid)

"In 1974, apparently unaware of the pyramid x-raying of Alvarez, the National Science Foundation launched another attempt to x-ray the pyramids.

This time the results were published.

The limestone rocks were too saturated with water to allow penetration by cosmic rays."

The search had to be abandoned because the electro-magnetic sounder equipment could not penetrate the limestone rocks due to their high water content.

(Electromagnetic Sounder Experiments at the Pyramids of Giza. p. iii).

http://www.ldolphin.org/egypt/egypt1/index.html

Electromagnetic Sounder Experiments at the Pyramids of Giza

Stanford University

During its autumn 1974 electromagnetic sounder experiments the joint Egyptian-American research team established that high attenuation due to high water content in the limestone of the Giza area precluded many practical applications of radio-frequency sounding for archaeological purposes in that area.

The 10-MHz transmitter and antenna were carried 100 m up the south face of Cheops' pyramid, and placed by the air shaft from the King's chamber:



Even when the receiving antenna in the portable receiver was placed next to the air shaft on the south wall of the King's chamber, no sounder signals could be heard through the intervening 50 m of rock.

“We can clearly see the pristine condition and the details of the perforations of the exoskeleton, this means that the sea creature must have been petrified in recent times.” -Sherif El Morsy

https://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/Menkara-petrified-shallow-marine-creature.php

“During one of the documentations of the ancient coastline, I almost tripped with a block of the second level of a temple,” said Mr. Morsy in an article published on the website Gigal Research. “To my surprise, the bump on the top surface of the block that almost tripped me was in fact a  exoskeleton of a fossil of what appears to be a echinoid (sea urchin) which are marine creatures that live in relatively shallow waters.”

Archaeologist Sherif El Morsy, who has worked extensively on the Giza plateau for over two decades, and his colleague Antoine Gigal, were the ones who made the discovery of this controversial fossil, which backs up studies and theories that the Pyramids of Giza and the mighty Sphinx were once submerged under the sea.

According to El Morsy, the flooding, was quite significant, peaking at about 75 meters above current sea level and creating a coastline spanning to the Khafra enclosure near the Sphinx at the temple of Menkare.

A convincing clue proving that the Giza plateau was once covered by the sea is being studied, along with other evidence of erosion due to saturation by deep water of the surface of the plateau. An echinoid (a type of sea urchin or shallow marine creature) petrified in “recent times” has been found embedded upright in the upper surface of a block adjoining the Menkaura pyramid and within the ancient intertidal range.


Madison boulder near Conway, New Hampshire, measures 90 by 40 by  38 feet, and weighs 10,000 tons. Unlike the bedrock beneath, it is composed of granite.

"In many places of the world, and especially in the north, large  boulders are found in a position which proves that a great force must  have lifted them up and carried them long distances before depositing them where they are found today. They are of an entirely different mineral composition than the local rocks, but are akin to formations many miles away. Thus, occasionally an erratic boulder of granite perches on top of a high ridge of dolerite, whereas the nearest outcrops of granite lie far away. These  erratic boulders may weigh as much as ten thousand tons, about as  much as one hundred thirty thousand people."

"In Britain and Germany are found many such boulders brought across the sea from Norway. Boulders from Finland have been swept over Poland, the site of Moscow, and as far as the River Don.  Often they are frighteningly piled up.

Huge blocks from Canada and Labrador lie strewn over North America.  Some are plain GIGANTIC.

An erratic boulder in Warren County, Ohio, covers ¾ acre and weighs 13,500 tons (the load of a large cargo ship). And near Malmö, southern Sweden, is a mass of chalk stone 1,000 feet wide, up to 200 feet thick and THREE MILES LONG!"





Given these undeniable proofs that the Gizeh pyramid was actually submerged under the Mediterranean Sea, mainstream scientists have sought to find a possible explanation.

The first of these attempts was to claim that the tsunami generated by the explosion of the Santorini volcano reached the shores of Egypt. However, the studies which have been carried out show that the height of the initial wave was only 28 meters in height; moreover, the northern coastline of Crete would have blocked the tsunami from reaching Egypt.

https://academic.oup.com/gji/article/186/2/665/589033

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/3/3/745/htm

https://theconversation.com/santorini-eruption-new-theory-says-pyroclastic-flows-caused-devastating-bronze-age-tsunamis-68368



“Crete's northern coastline would have acted like a 250 kilometer long breakwater that absorbed and reflected much of the tsunami's energy back into the Aegean. This would have significantly reduced the amount of wave energy able to escape into the open waters of the Mediterranean Sea.”

The sea surge lasted long enough for sea urchins to embed themselves on the rocks on some of the temples


The only possible cause of the huge sea surge could have been a sudden pole shift (heliocentrical theory).



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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2024, 11:24:34 AM »
I like the pictures but as always the content is a heap of bullshit.

Once more you invoke random experts as window dressing without realising that the nub of the madness you propose rests on no more than some crazy conspiracy that’s supported by no one but you. Why you keep pursuing this charade is indeed a mystery.

Invoke all the experts you like. What you will never get away with is is the basis on which your nonesense sits which is on a giant pile of bullshit.

Conventional science and the accepted knowledge that’s agreed upon worldwide calls you out as no more than some simple nutjob.
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2024, 11:52:52 AM »
Explain to your readers the nature of the cataclysmic event which caused the Gizeh plateau to be submerged, up to an elevation of 100 meters, by the Mediterranean sea. All of this had occurred in historical times and had lasted for a few months.

Unless you have an explanation, I win (as always).

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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2024, 12:46:41 PM »
even if I've begun to see that trying to debate with you is absolutely not worth the trouble, I cannot resist the temptation of a last remark:

I believe it has to do with the 636 meters (at 1.5 km/year, it amounts to 152 days) which is the diameter of the Sun

if the Sun has a diameter of 636 m, it must be at about 70 km from our eyes

(you can check this experimentally: a ball 1 ft in diameter appears to have the same apparent size as the Sun at about 110 ft from it)

so, if someone sees the Sun at his zenith, anybody at 70 km from him should see the Sun at 45°. This, BOTH on a flat or spherical Earth.

(you can check this, without any math, just making a drawing)

Of course, I can predict your next excuse: a personal Sun, or a personal projection dome for each observer. Or the bending of light.
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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2024, 01:04:09 PM »
You really are crackers. Im not dismissing the scientific paper I'm dismissing this:-
Again, this is a quote from you:
Since you like to listen to the experts, here's one of the best: Dr. Maurice Allais.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382

Until and unless you can explain the Allais effect, the solar eclipse is caused by a different heavenly body (not by the Moon). You cannot even explain a simple solar eclipse in your heliocentrical context.

Loki is Jupiter in the Titan version, day of Thursday. Thor is Mars (Tuesday). Odin is Saturn (Saturday). Tyr is Mercury (Wednesday). In the Olympian version, Thor is the Orion constellation, the hammer is represented by the Pleiades. The Great Red Spot of Jupiter gave birth to Venus at the Deluge, and is in the process of giving birth again to a similar star/planet (see the 2010 movie stellar ignition).

In FET the diameter of the Sun measures 636 meters; that's the equivalent of 152 days (1.5 km/year or 4.2 meters/day, westward precessional shift, for a year of 365 days in the heliocentrical context; in FE the length of the year is 364 days, where each day is a little longer); now we can infer where the famous 150 days in revelation 9 come from. The interval alloted for the pressional shift of the Sun amounts to 508.8 km, and very soon that interval will be used up. I believe that the reset starts when the center of the diameter of the Sun aligns again at the end of one of the six gates for a new cycle of precession.
Where do you obtain all this nonsense you regurgitate?

This is not focusing on the original idea of the prophecy. Instead it is appealing to your hard on for experts, and using them. If you follow the link he provided he provides links to papers.

So you are dismissing scientific papers as nonsense.

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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2024, 01:08:15 PM »
Explain to your readers the nature of the cataclysmic event which caused the Gizeh plateau to be submerged, up to an elevation of 100 meters, by the Mediterranean sea. All of this had occurred in historical times and had lasted for a few months.

Unless you have an explanation, I win (as always).

I’ll let you do that. But what that has to do  with your idea of the sun suddenly doing the shimmy shimmy shake shake is not clear !reversing
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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2024, 01:12:40 PM »
You really are crackers. Im not dismissing the scientific paper I'm dismissing this:-
Again, this is a quote from you:
Since you like to listen to the experts, here's one of the best: Dr. Maurice Allais.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382

Until and unless you can explain the Allais effect, the solar eclipse is caused by a different heavenly body (not by the Moon). You cannot even explain a simple solar eclipse in your heliocentrical context.

Loki is Jupiter in the Titan version, day of Thursday. Thor is Mars (Tuesday). Odin is Saturn (Saturday). Tyr is Mercury (Wednesday). In the Olympian version, Thor is the Orion constellation, the hammer is represented by the Pleiades. The Great Red Spot of Jupiter gave birth to Venus at the Deluge, and is in the process of giving birth again to a similar star/planet (see the 2010 movie stellar ignition).

In FET the diameter of the Sun measures 636 meters; that's the equivalent of 152 days (1.5 km/year or 4.2 meters/day, westward precessional shift, for a year of 365 days in the heliocentrical context; in FE the length of the year is 364 days, where each day is a little longer); now we can infer where the famous 150 days in revelation 9 come from. The interval alloted for the pressional shift of the Sun amounts to 508.8 km, and very soon that interval will be used up. I believe that the reset starts when the center of the diameter of the Sun aligns again at the end of one of the six gates for a new cycle of precession.
Where do you obtain all this nonsense you regurgitate?

This is not focusing on the original idea of the prophecy. Instead it is appealing to your hard on for experts, and using them. If you follow the link he provided he provides links to papers.

So you are dismissing scientific papers as nonsense.

You really are crackers. You continually just make stuff up. Your responses bear no relation to the actual remarks I have made.

I’ve dismissed no science. What I keep dismissing is bullshit, both yours and Sandokhans. Different flavour but both shit none the less.
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« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2024, 01:18:30 PM »
You have posted a photograph which is fake. I have provided the definite proofs for this on page 1 of this thread
You not liking a photo doesn't mean it is fake.
Nothing you have provided even comes close to proving it is fake.

But again, that has nothing to do with the topic.

Moreover, we have the Allais effect
A yet to be verified effect which in no way demonstrates the moon can't be the cause of the solar eclipse, and which again has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Unfortunately, this has happened before in history: take a look at all of the legends
Legends are not history.
If you need to appeal to legends, you have no basis to say it has happened.
The same applies to mythology.

I have posted the direct proofs (L. Alvarez, Nobel prize winner and L. Dolphin from Standford University) that show that the Gizeh pyramid
You mean you have spammed irrelevant BS, which again has nothing to do with the thread.

By now, after 20000 or so messages, you should be familiar with my AFET
No need to run away from the issue to your insane nonsense.
It isn't advanced, and it isn't a theory, it is a pile of nonsense.

But notice how yet again you don't address the issue and instead run.

Your math doesn't make sense either.

there are six gates 1017.23 x 6 km. ...  you have an alloted interval for this precession for each gate: 508.8 km
Why?
If you have 6 gates of 1017.23 km, why is each only given 508.8 km?
What is the basis for these distances?

the westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km/year)
...
we can go back to the 1683 Jupiter-Saturn great conjunction, in history. That's 340 years already, so we are nearing the end of the precessional cycle of the Sun.
Why does the cycle only last 1 gate?
Also, with 1.5 km/year for 340 years you get 510 km, which we would already be passed.

But we also have this problem for you:
The new radical chronology of history: each and every event assumed to have taken place prior to 1780 AD has been totally forged/invented/falsified.
You are appealing to an alleged event you are saying is forged/invented/falsified.

So yet again you demonstrate you will happily spout whatever BS you can think of to pretend you are right.


Again, where is the text of the prophecy?
Why does this require a FE?
Why should the sun have an allotted space, and why should reaching the end cause it to reverse?
I don't mean for you to just assert that it does, I want you to explain why.
What physical mechanism results in this?

As always, I have the real experts on my side.
No, you don't.
You can't find a single one which actually agrees with you.

Instead, you just claim that they do and misrepresent them.

And again, the Giza Pyramids are irrelevant to this topic.

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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2024, 01:19:34 PM »
You really are crackers. Im not dismissing the scientific paper I'm dismissing this:-
Again, this is a quote from you:
Since you like to listen to the experts, here's one of the best: Dr. Maurice Allais.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382

Until and unless you can explain the Allais effect, the solar eclipse is caused by a different heavenly body (not by the Moon). You cannot even explain a simple solar eclipse in your heliocentrical context.

Loki is Jupiter in the Titan version, day of Thursday. Thor is Mars (Tuesday). Odin is Saturn (Saturday). Tyr is Mercury (Wednesday). In the Olympian version, Thor is the Orion constellation, the hammer is represented by the Pleiades. The Great Red Spot of Jupiter gave birth to Venus at the Deluge, and is in the process of giving birth again to a similar star/planet (see the 2010 movie stellar ignition).

In FET the diameter of the Sun measures 636 meters; that's the equivalent of 152 days (1.5 km/year or 4.2 meters/day, westward precessional shift, for a year of 365 days in the heliocentrical context; in FE the length of the year is 364 days, where each day is a little longer); now we can infer where the famous 150 days in revelation 9 come from. The interval alloted for the pressional shift of the Sun amounts to 508.8 km, and very soon that interval will be used up. I believe that the reset starts when the center of the diameter of the Sun aligns again at the end of one of the six gates for a new cycle of precession.
Where do you obtain all this nonsense you regurgitate?

This is not focusing on the original idea of the prophecy. Instead it is appealing to your hard on for experts, and using them. If you follow the link he provided he provides links to papers.

So you are dismissing scientific papers as nonsense.
You really are crackers. You continually just make stuff up. Your responses bear no relation to the actual remarks I have made.

I’ve dismissed no science. What I keep dismissing is bullshit, both yours and Sandokhans. Different flavour but both shit none the less.
You sure do love lying and projecting.
Unlike you, I can back up what I say with quotes, as I did above.
You on the other hand just blatantly lie about what people say.
You are the one who repeatedly makes things up, not me.

You do dismiss science, any you don't like.
All while continually spouting BS.

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« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2024, 01:53:25 PM »
None of you can address the fact that the Gizeh pyramids were covered in sea water in historical times.

I'll address it for you: the only way something like that could have happened at all requires a displacement of the geographical poles of the Earth (RE version). A massive, sudden cataclysm, caused by a heavenly body which came very close to the Earth.

Radius of FE: 6363.63 km (upper limit 10000 km)

θ = 0.959582 rad (2 x 27.49 = 54.98, 54.98° = 0.959582 rad, 1/27.49 = 0.036376864 = 0.1 - 0.063623), Tropic to Tropic (solstice to solstice)

Sun westward precessional shift: 1.5 km / year (4.2 meters / day)

Sun diameter: 636 meters (see the photos of the solar eclipse in Antarctica, november 2003)

s = r x θ

6106.4248 = 6363.63 x 0.959582

6106.4248 / 6 = 1017.73747 km, the distance alloted for each gate (six months, solstice to solstice)

The arclength for each gate (space alloted for the each of the six periods running from the winter solstice to the summer solstice, and from the summer solstice to the winter solstice) is 1017.737 km.

1017.737 / 4 = 254.434 (where 0.636363 / 25 = 0.02545454)

We must fit the solar precessional shift of 1.5 km / year into this figure of 1017.737 km.

If we divide the 1017.737 arclength by 30 (one month = thirty days), the 33.94 km figure will have been depleted in 22.5 years (solar westward shift of 1.5 km / year), and the sun would have reached the outer limit (one of the two tropics).

Therefore, the chronology of history cannot be longer than 339.24 years (508.87 / 1.5). Great Flood/Deluge to end of history = 339.24 years.

The optimum implementation uses a mobile section of 508.87 km (1017.737 / 2) which moves westward at a pace of 4.2 meters / day (1.5 km / year) at the same rate as the Sun does. That is, the Sun rises within on the six gates, and for the course of a single month uses the 508.87 km interval, where each day it shifts 4.2 meters to the west. After one year, the entire mobile section shifts itself 1.5 km to the west as well, and so on, until on the last day of history, after having shifted 508.87 km, the Sun reaches the endpoint of its alloted interval (one of the solstices).


We have definite proof (Senmut's celestial chart) that there was a backward displacement of the entire zodiac constellation system.

There are multiple prophecies which state that the Sun will rise from the West at end of a world age/epoch. So, if the Sun will rise from the West, it will have to invert its trajectory/orbit in the sky.

You might dismiss this warning, since you are RE; my duty here was to remind you that in FET the Sun will reach the end of the alloted precessional shift interval very soon.


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« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2024, 02:14:36 PM »
None of you can address the fact that the Gizeh pyramids
Again, your claims are not fact.
And more importantly, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR BS "PROOF".


Again, what is the text of the prophecy, and why should this require a FE?

Radius of FE: 6363.63 km (upper limit 10000 km)
Entirely incorrect.
You are yet again just spouting numbers with no basis in reality.

Sun diameter: 636 meters (see the photos of the solar eclipse in Antarctica, november 2003)
If you understood how photography works, you would understand you can't do that.
If you need a refresher:


We must fit the solar precessional shift of 1.5 km / year into this figure of 1017.737 km.
Why?

Your numbers are just BS, with no justification at all.

If we divide the 1017.737 arclength by 30
Why would we divide it by an entirely arbitrary length of time?

Therefore, the chronology of history cannot be longer than 339.24 years (508.87 / 1.5). Great Flood/Deluge to end of history = 339.24 years.
So your claim about history is based upon delusional nonsense?

We have definite proof
You mean you have a baseless claim.

There are multiple prophecies which state that the Sun will rise from the West at end
Yet you still don't provide a single one.

So, if the Sun will rise from the West, it will have to invert its trajectory/orbit in the sky.
Which would clearly be a supernatural event which would say nothing about RE vs FE.

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« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2024, 01:25:59 AM »
and a gravity field that holds the solar system together

Are you of the opinion that gravity is attractive?

Please say yes and make my day.

Are you of the opinion that our sun is going to stop in its orbit and reverse?

What is the celestial mechanism that will allow this bizarre event to take place?

Will it mark the end for the solar system and the destruction of the Earth?
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« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2024, 01:30:21 AM »
Are you not able to read?
I am. Are you? Because you don't seem to be able to.

He knows how much you love blindly following experts.
So he provided something to appeal to you.
Papers from an expert.
Which you then dismissed as nonsense.

Why are you dismissing these experts?

Are you so filled with hate and spite that you are unable to understand the nature of my posts, and even his?

Once more you demonstrate the true depth of your ignorance.

So I take it you think the sun will suddenly stop in its orbit and reverse?

What does you omnipotent expertise have to say about that?

Or how about your own personal experience! What does that tell you about the prospect of the sun doing what your pea pod pal says it will?
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« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2024, 02:55:38 AM »
So I take it you think the sun will suddenly stop in its orbit and reverse?
Are you capable of responding honestly?
I assume no.

Again, why did you dismiss the paper on the Allais effect as nonsense?

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« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2024, 03:37:15 AM »
and a gravity field that holds the solar system together

Are you of the opinion that gravity is attractive?

Please say yes and make my day.

Are you of the opinion that our sun is going to stop in its orbit and reverse?

What is the celestial mechanism that will allow this bizarre event to take place?

Will it mark the end for the solar system and the destruction of the Earth?

In FET, the sun stopping in its orbit and rising from the west is the norm, it is nothing out of the ordinary. If everyone was FE, they'd know that the end of a world age has arrived and would head for the underground shelters. That is why I told everyone here to read up on the myth of Yima. Yima was warned that there was an ice age approaching (the melting of this ice is the legend of the Deluge) and would have to take shelter in the underground city of Cappadocia (at Derinkuyu). The ice age lasted some six months or two consecutive winters.

This astronomical event has happened before, the tilt of the equinox to its present position. Before the Deluge, there was only one season, spring, as there was no angle of 23.4 degrees for the solar orbit (the six gates were centered on the vernal/autumnal equinox point).

The destruction of the surface of the Earth can come only if one of the stars/planets actually collides with it (not an asteroid or meteor, but the actual star/planet). In FET, stars and planets are very small, but very powerful, since if they reach our atmosphere, they can activate the dextrorotatory telluric currents to cause earthquakes, fires, huge storms. There are prophecies which state that parts of the Moon will break up and fall on the Earth.

The fact that there is another planet between Mercury and the Sun can no longer be disputed, plenty of videos and photographs are revealing its presence. However, it is not Nibiru, it is Garuda, the FireBird, or Rahu (in vedic cosmology).