Goodbye

This is a goodbye.

You won't be seeing me in awhile if I live. Or you may not hear from me again.

There's simply so much stress right now and I'm sad.

I hope things work out okay for you. Hang in there.

Hang in there. Things will work out in the long run. Don't apply a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Bye.

Live and prove them wrong.

How many topics are you going to post about this?

How many topics are you going to post about this?

This is the second, third if you count Kill Me in AR.

Alexei, as someone who almost got hospitalized for having a sh*t ton of suicidal thoughts, I can tell you now that there's help. But no one can help you if you only tell the people on the internet who don't know enough about you TO help.

Why not skip the self harm and just go straight to the getting help stage? The odds of a successful suicide are low, and the odds a failed one scars are pretty high.

Bye.

Live and prove them wrong.

The irony of your post contradicting your signature-quote-thing

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 27, 2023, 01:16:07 PM

Bye.

Live and prove them wrong.

The irony of your post contradicting your signature-quote-thing

This is a common misunderstanding of the philosophy of the Glenlivet clan.

The statement “Life is meaningless, and everything dies” emblazoned as it is on our coat of arms, is not to be taken as a cry of hopelessness, the very opposite is true.

Humanities hunt for patterns and significance in the workings of the universe, whilst laudable, has bought about the most hideous of outcomes, that being the invention of religions of faith. These poisonous ideologies focusing on afterlife and proscription seek to hide what “is”, under a comfort blanket of “what we would wish for”, but to make this inadequate covering stick, it must be accompanied by the threat of “If you remove the blanket and really take a look at things, you are damned and tortured for eternity!” Nice.

We all know in our hearts that the cosmos is vast and uncaring, that our lives in respect to it are more fleeting and insignificant than a lacrimal secretion in the ocean, but once that feeling of vertigo is passed, then the initiate should arise to an unavoidable epiphany, that which is the rocker to our colours.

Fuck it! Let’s have a party.

Then you are truly free.

Once again, you have shown how an expert you are at irony and diversion, Jura.

Oh, let me tell you then, I'm saying that you have a direct impact on Alexey's mood. You are even more influential on Alexey's mood than Alexey himself.

there's no way he can understand that. Oh, some people will never understand the logic of why you haunted Alexey because they thought he was a man.

a joke that you wish him a long life, just a joke, the kind that only wise can understand. Julyas never wish long life to anyone but themselves, Giovanni told, haha.

Has anyone seen d1 come back?

Yeah, about D1.

When you are screaming round that long corner powering an 8 litre inline straight six Bentley to the places it dreamed of, it’s not the time to take a phone call.
The weekend D1 had his meltdown, I was absent, this I regret. I’m not saying I could have done much; the power of paranoia was strong in this one and all my previous attempts at lightening his mood, had largely been misconstrued as subliminal attempts to gather his soul. I didn’t want his soul.

Sometimes, when you have lived the eons that I have, you look to the depressed of humanity and say WHAT? You have an existence that is your one chance at seeing the magnificent absurdity of life and you want to cut it short because someone called you fat?
You are mayflies, born to mate and die in a proverbial day and some of you are fed up with things by breakfast, it’s inconceivable to me.

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 27, 2023, 05:54:46 PM

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 27, 2023, 01:16:07 PM

Bye.

Live and prove them wrong.

The irony of your post contradicting your signature-quote-thing

This is a common misunderstanding of the philosophy of the Glenlivet clan.

The statement “Life is meaningless, and everything dies” emblazoned as it is on our coat of arms, is not to be taken as a cry of hopelessness, the very opposite is true.

Humanities hunt for patterns and significance in the workings of the universe, whilst laudable, has bought about the most hideous of outcomes, that being the invention of religions of faith. These poisonous ideologies focusing on afterlife and proscription seek to hide what “is”, under a comfort blanket of “what we would wish for”, but to make this inadequate covering stick, it must be accompanied by the threat of “If you remove the blanket and really take a look at things, you are damned and tortured for eternity!” Nice.

We all know in our hearts that the cosmos is vast and uncaring, that our lives in respect to it are more fleeting and insignificant than a lacrimal secretion in the ocean, but once that feeling of vertigo is passed, then the initiate should arise to an unavoidable epiphany, that which is the rocker to our colours.

Fuck it! Let’s have a party.

Then you are truly free.

Ill flip that and say the pascals wager is the same religious view that i took your quote to mean.

"Store your treasures in heaven".
Do good things.
Live the best life.
And the reward is will come.

Positiviyy Works both ways.
So does pessimism.



Also
We talking about the whiskey family?

Yeah, about D1.

When you are screaming round that long corner powering an 8 litre inline straight six Bentley to the places it dreamed of, it’s not the time to take a phone call.
The weekend D1 had his meltdown, I was absent, this I regret. I’m not saying I could have done much; the power of paranoia was strong in this one and all my previous attempts at lightening his mood, had largely been misconstrued as subliminal attempts to gather his soul. I didn’t want his soul.

Sometimes, when you have lived the eons that I have, you look to the depressed of humanity and say WHAT? You have an existence that is your one chance at seeing the magnificent absurdity of life and you want to cut it short because someone called you fat?
You are mayflies, born to mate and die in a proverbial day and some of you are fed up with things by breakfast, it’s inconceivable to me.

Let's not turn this into a double argument. I gave d1 as an example. The main idea here is that you are not sincere in your well-intentioned wishes.

if attention is paid to the rest of his interpretation, it is clear that his view of human beings is no different from flies. Not all alike Jura, not all alike. I'm an ordinary person, yes, but you must have noticed that I am not a mayfly. Is it paranoia that I reminded you of this? When I said here that you are not like everyone else, no one including d1 believed it. and I warned him and he didn't listen to me. and now he's not here.

Actually, your solution about the problem is also correct. but this must be done after finding the truth.

The fact that she's having problems with me makes her pointless and you get triggered by the rivalry between girls. This is the problem.

As for the solution, the best thing for him is to stay away from the internet for a while. and you have already told this. but before doing so, he must find a reliable priest and seek help to protect herself from the influence of the demons. or sanitize the house with holy water so that creatures like Jura cannot enter.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 28, 2023, 02:13:26 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 27, 2023, 05:54:46 PM

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 27, 2023, 01:16:07 PM

Bye.

Live and prove them wrong.

The irony of your post contradicting your signature-quote-thing

This is a common misunderstanding of the philosophy of the Glenlivet clan.

The statement “Life is meaningless, and everything dies” emblazoned as it is on our coat of arms, is not to be taken as a cry of hopelessness, the very opposite is true.

Humanities hunt for patterns and significance in the workings of the universe, whilst laudable, has bought about the most hideous of outcomes, that being the invention of religions of faith. These poisonous ideologies focusing on afterlife and proscription seek to hide what “is”, under a comfort blanket of “what we would wish for”, but to make this inadequate covering stick, it must be accompanied by the threat of “If you remove the blanket and really take a look at things, you are damned and tortured for eternity!” Nice.

We all know in our hearts that the cosmos is vast and uncaring, that our lives in respect to it are more fleeting and insignificant than a lacrimal secretion in the ocean, but once that feeling of vertigo is passed, then the initiate should arise to an unavoidable epiphany, that which is the rocker to our colours.

Fuck it! Let’s have a party.

Then you are truly free.

Ill flip that and say the pascals wager is the same religious view that i took your quote to mean.

"Store your treasures in heaven".
Do good things.
Live the best life.
And the reward is will come.

Positiviyy Works both ways.
So does pessimism.



Also
We talking about the whiskey family?

The problem with Pascals reasoning are legion, would your god accept me paying lip service to save my soul, if I take a god it would it be god-light, a watered down version that would allow me my sins, I may get the wrong gods entirely, who's to say the Hindu's aren't right?

In any case I would be a hypocrite, as I see no god in my world and that doesn't bring pessimism just the freedom and wonder of the universe that we live in.
The fact we have made a rubbish dump of our world is in some sense the problem of too many of us thinking that paradise awaits and this world is but the waiting room, so the ash trays overflow and the toilets are somebody else's problem.

The Whisky Glenlivets sold out to the conglomerates many years ago, the Clan, are warrior poets dedicated to the war against the penguin hegemony.   

pascal is a mathemtician who thinks he can game the system.

but the problems with the wager are irrelevant to the point i was making.
   "If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is."

it is philosphilcally the ooppiste in that you believe there IS no heaven so get the most you can of this KNOWN life now because you KNOW this is what you got.

   "life is meaningless, everything dies"

there's only one way to look at this and its pessimism.
to think this is hopeful, i don't see how that was explained in your explanation.
or you could say, hopefully i won't get any repurcussions and i should trumpity-trump my way to the most sex, drugs and money i can before i die.
why should anyone care about anything?

No, the statement is one of fact and it is liberation.
You, I, give our meaning to what is left, if you want sex, drugs and money fine, I prefer beauty, love of family and friends and a bit of drugs and sex. I am not on my knees begging for redemption for a sin I never committed, enslaved to a promise that things are better when I'm dead, that is the ultimate pessimism, because it's a lie, you should care because this is all we have, this one throw of the dice, make the most of it.

well no ignore the rleigious aspect - i said "flip of pascal".
i'm not saying the wager part.
i'm saying the pessimistic part.

how are you liberated?
you're liberated from guilt or responsibility because "life is meaningless and everything dies".
common rule of thumb is unless you've done somehting to get into-the-books, in 3generations you're forgotten.

so make the most of it.
if you want love of family friends over sex drugs money then sure go for it.
if one wants to steal kill and maim then should they go for it?

Why would you do that? Is your god the only thing that stops you killing people?

"REVERSE/ FLIP PASCAL".
ANY RELIGIOUS TALK IS IRRELEVANT TO POINT AT HAND.

HOW IS your comment is "life is meaningless and everything dies" hopeful to create a positive optimistic view?

I’ll try again.

If I am right and all the gods we’ve ever had are constructs to explain the world, to take away the fear of death, then the teachings (thou shalt not kill, do unto others…) are also humanities creations, so we have the tools.

On the face of it, “Life is meaningless, and everything dies.” Can seem depressing (it made me laugh out loud TBH), if depressing is facing the truth, then we do that and then we impose our own meaning to life, that the universe doesn’t care is immaterial, yes, within a few generations all I have done and said will be forgotten, that will not change if I hang my hat in a church or temple.

For me until humanity gets up off its knees and stops inventing fairy tales to make it sleep better, we waste the dawn, we lie to ourselves and our children in the hope that they repeat the lie for comforts sake.
Liberation comes from facing the truth, death is the end of my awareness as it was before I was born, as it is most nights as I sleep, and each morning I awake is a joy, a resurrection that I will celebrate until it ends.

ok
so doesn't really answer the question or point


"live and prove them wrong" vs "life is meaningless, everything dies"

prove who wrong?
it's meaningless  when considering mine and your deaths are inevitable and then that's it, just a memory in something someone else that will momentarily "live" on for a short insignificant duration of time.

"Wager, then, without hesitation that them, [anything you do], doesn't matter [and feel no guilt in hurting anyone]"

No, you seem to have this all screwed up.

Just because I live without a god doesn’t mean I do not feel guilt if I wrong somebody, that is a human reaction, god doesn’t come in to it. The same with murder or rape, I consider them wrong, god is the projection of our intuitions.
You seem to be saying that without a religion I should revert to basic animal instincts, and without doubt people do, but not because of lack of religion, they have done it countless times when the laws of civilization falter, during war, famine, or disaster. The laws that "we" made not some idol.

If I am a good person, I am because I think it is the right way to live, my neigbours are old and frail, do I go in and steal their shit? No, I cut their hedge, ask if they want some shopping and refuse payment, because it feels right.

Likewise, if I encourage someone to live their life instead of flushing it away, I do so because that’s the only chance he has at this and it would be a waste, and the chances are, he will get over whatever angst he’s feeling right now, and that stems from my philosophy of life which very much includes the statement that bothers you.

This “wager” you seem to want me to try, has no lure for me, an empty gesture to a yawning nothingness, I have better things to do.

You seem fixated my intention is to argue gods existence

It is not



"Nothing matters"

So why does doing right matter?

As a pessismist that is how i read it.


I would argue "everything" mattets.
If you were an optimsit.
If it matters to you, go do it because everyhribg dies.
You got one chance.
Yolo.

Whi cares what they think
They dont mater
Yolo.



Your spin on the glenvit quote makes no sense and contradicts your flushed out view of life.

I interpret the quote as life has no meaning.
Life doesn't have a meaning, so there's nothing you're meant to do. You can do anything you want, and you're not wrong just because the TVA says you were supposed to do something else (you might be wrong on a societal and moral level, just not an existential level.)

Everything dies, so live a good life. Pack it full, and be happy.

I interpret the quote as life has no meaning.
Life doesn't have a meaning, so there's nothing you're meant to do. You can do anything you want, and you're not wrong just because the TVA says you were supposed to do something else (you might be wrong on a societal and moral level, just not an existential level.)

Everything dies, so live a good life. Pack it full, and be happy.

I always thought of it as snark.  But this is a good interpretation too.

Build on "no meaning", as a fellow non believer I maintain that whatever meaning life has is a decision left up to us.

You seem fixated my intention is to argue gods existence

It is not



"Nothing matters"

So why does doing right matter?

As a pessismist that is how i read it.


I would argue "everything" mattets.
If you were an optimsit.
If it matters to you, go do it because everyhribg dies.
You got one chance.
Yolo.

Whi cares what they think
They dont mater
Yolo.



Your spin on the glenvit quote makes no sense and contradicts your flushed out view of life.

Magicalus/Crout's gets it.

It’s nothing more than a stating of facts, and a challenge to make something out of the negativistic state of the cosmos.

And you are right, ultimately what I do doesn’t matter, but it does to me, now, because it begins and ends with me.
I believe that the universe was here before me and will carry on when I die, I hope so, I have children. If what I have done while I am here has left fond memories, laughs, and little heartache other than my passing, good.
Those ripples in the timeline will quickly fade, heyho.

I interpret the quote as life has no meaning.
Life doesn't have a meaning, so there's nothing you're meant to do. You can do anything you want, and you're not wrong just because the TVA says you were supposed to do something else (you might be wrong on a societal and moral level, just not an existential level.)

Everything dies, so live a good life. Pack it full, and be happy.

I can accept and agree to that pov.

However the 2nd half is what i catch as pessimistc.
Im a pesismist so i read it that way all together as a whole.

I interpret the quote as life has no meaning.

I am the second take it this way.

This signature has a structure that encourages suicide. It will have limited impact on reading once or experienced readers, but when a young reader sees it as a daily subtitle, the idea of ​​suicide will inevitably came in to fore.

If life is meaningless and everything is dying, so to die is a must.

It is unthinkable that someone hundreds of years old used this signature without knowing this effect.

But theres a difference in it.
You have bestowed some self disciplined code of ethics to do good.
Whatever arbitrary good you feel is good.

I agrre and understand your phikosphy of dont-live-for-someone-elses-meaning.

I just found your post was conttadicting.


I have a do-no-harm and a give-yourself-meaning.




Thats all

Be good humans wveryone!

Quote from: Magicalus on June 29, 2023, 07:59:19 AM

I interpret the quote as life has no meaning.

I am the second take it this way.

This signature has a structure that encourages suicide. It will have limited impact on reading once or experienced readers, but when a young reader sees it as a daily subtitle, the idea of ​​suicide will inevitably came in to fore.

If life is meaningless and everything is dying, so to die is a must.

It is unthinkable that someone hundreds of years old used this signature without knowing this effect.

I agree.

Wise is wise.

When those wth no purpose they turn to violence drugs cults suicide etc.

Find your own 'meaning'.
Vs someone elses ' meaning'

In response to those who dislike or are disturbed, or potentially disturbed by my tag-line, I have added disclaimers and a little uplifting message.

Peace.