Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2023, 09:04:35 AM »

This is far from the case, although a society is a dynamic and sometimes intelligent one, if you use up a resource be it trees, water, available metals, or poison your earth by salination or mine tailings you increase the factors available for collapse, like pulling another Jenga stick from the pile.

Europeans, sitting above relatively new soil (last ice age) seem to imagine their deforestation is repeatable everywhere, but it isn’t in the tropics where the nutrient cycle alone seems to keep forests healthy, or where climate will quickly strip away soil as it did in Iceland.

The Easter Island example of collapse has not been debunked it has been challenged, as with all these things it will probably never be fully resolved, and it was more likely a combination of factors, but apparent precipitous drops in populations of Olmec,  Anasazi and the Maya, all bear signs that these peoples were at peak population densities for their habitat, if a change in weather pattern occurs as they are wont to, then shit happens, ask the Lemmings.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2023, 12:53:29 AM »
archeological finds the world over have found traces of civilisations that have risen to die essentially of idiocy
I think this view of the history of civilisation (however you actually want to define that) is much overplayed and largely debunked now.  Easter Island for example - the received wisdom being that they killed themselves by chopping all their trees to move their religious icons around.  Whereas the evidence actually pointed to a society that had learnt to farm and cultivate the (largely) treeless island very effectively -  their society actually collapsed very quickly due to to the massive shock of a bunch of European thugs arriving out of nowhere.

A delusion is a lie that you keep telling yourself because the truth is unacceptable. You have white guilt, so the idea that western invaders came is more acceptable than the idea that an island ppl can be dumbasses that don't understand that statues are simply idols, and you need plants to live.

Another island, I think it was Haiti or Cuba, basically cut down all their trees. They have a serious erosion problem, and poor health, and they are basically a basketcase country.
https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/haiti-communities-take-aim-deforestation
Yup, it was Haiti.

Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2023, 11:02:00 AM »
archeological finds the world over have found traces of civilisations that have risen to die essentially of idiocy
I think this view of the history of civilisation (however you actually want to define that) is much overplayed and largely debunked now.  Easter Island for example - the received wisdom being that they killed themselves by chopping all their trees to move their religious icons around.  Whereas the evidence actually pointed to a society that had learnt to farm and cultivate the (largely) treeless island very effectively -  their society actually collapsed very quickly due to to the massive shock of a bunch of European thugs arriving out of nowhere.

A delusion is a lie that you keep telling yourself because the truth is unacceptable. You have white guilt, so the idea that western invaders came is more acceptable than the idea that an island ppl can be dumbasses that don't understand that statues are simply idols, and you need plants to live.

Another island, I think it was Haiti or Cuba, basically cut down all their trees. They have a serious erosion problem, and poor health, and they are basically a basketcase country.
https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/haiti-communities-take-aim-deforestation
Yup, it was Haiti.

Surely the main lesson from Easter island isn’t about who’s fault it was, but as a very small scale example of ecological devastation that we probably want to avoid for the rest of the world.

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2023, 04:55:26 AM »
No.

It's that if we can't even determine whose fault it is properly, we are sure to ruin the world rather than saving it. You can't avoid a catastrophe, if you arrive to the exact wrong conclusion and support the people most likely to bring it about.

Haiti was run by a corrupt despot, and the people resorted to cutting down every square inch of forest. This forest acts as a natural barrier to erosion and had plenty of fruits and berries. Their national dish is now freaking mud pies (not the cool kind with chocolate).
Easter Island had a bunch of nutter idolaters.

If we instead blame imperialism, then we get the entire story wrong.

You know what happened to countries that rejected imperialism, hoping that they would magically understand how to do things properly on their own? Well, it usually turned out that over time, they lost some of their old tribal skills (India was an exception, because Gandhi insisted they make the effort), and you get exactly Zimbabwe.

If you don't know Zimbabwe's history, it's a good idea what happens when you let socialism or social justice take over instead of industry. Basically, they had skilled white farmers in a country of apartheid. They decided to oust them, and give all their land to blacks. Fine, if they're trained. Only, they weren't, they were just picked cuz they're black. Suddenly you have shortages, and the money starts inflating. Alot. It turns out inflation has nothing to do with government debt and everything to do with whether money can be trusted to buy things. If you can't make things, money starts to rise in "value."


Why am I talking about Zimbabwe? It's because this is what countries actually look like who go the woke route. Many of the trendy cappuccino communists in America talk about how socialist environmentalism overlook that communist Russia is burned by radiation and by conspicuous production (specifically making far more steel than they needed, polluting lakes and forests). And behold,  the solution "environmentalists" have for the environment is to go electric. Like many things here it looks good on paper, but the actual logistics is rampant mining and smelting of rare earth metals instead of reusing metal we already have (as ICE cars have done for decades) in order to move noticeable pollution from exhaust to unnoticeable but actually far worse pollution from power plants.

The way conservatives managed the environment is actually sensible. Ducks Unlimited is run by duck hunters. Most farms care about sustainability of crops and livestock because this is their product, and they care about it being there for generations to come. They don't make a fuss about conservation (maybe they should have). But they did a better job of it. Bulldozing forests to build damned solar powerplants is not conservation. It's radicalism. What does need to stop is industries that clear cut rather than selectively cutting for teak or whatever they're needing. But the woke left actually ruined many countries it tries to save.

And before you ask, third world countries don't want to be green. They want a better life. So the first world has to drive itself into poverty because the third world wants to develop. If you want to see polluted places, don't go after the US. Drive to Mexico City.

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2023, 12:16:35 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/07/13/business/actors-strike-sag

And now it seems the actors guild is on strike.  I'm not even bothered by it.  I have so many shows to catch up on.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2023, 05:46:15 PM »
Probably just as well.  With the writers on strike and Emmys coming up, who would write actor's acceptance speeches?
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