Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2023, 12:37:28 PM »
Concerns over AI are a small but very click bait friendly part of it.

This is about money and working conditions.  Same as always.

Personally, all things being equal, in any labor dispute I'm going to side with the workers since I am a worker. Also I haven't seen any episode of Celebrity Cribs featuring a Hollywood writer.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2023, 12:40:10 PM »
Also I thought the second Guards of the Galaxy was one of the better Marvel movies.

Maybe Batman vs Superman would be a better example of a garbage movie.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2023, 01:16:37 AM »
How about be mature and actually compete vs that?
You are far from understanding the subject.

They were created for specific missions and you cannot defeat it in their mission because she was created for it.

For example, the plant receives the sun, takes the water, uses the water by electrolysis in the sun by separating it into hydrogen and oxygen, and thus grows. You cannot do this as a human being, you cannot compete with him in this regard. Humans are superior to plants, but they cannot decompose water by electrolysis and obtain energy.

A lion was created to be superior to all animals in the forest and to be the top predator. You may be smarter than him, but you can't handle him in the wild.

The virtual environment is the wilderness of an AI chatbot. You may be superior to him, but you cannot cope with him in that environment. This is a desperate struggle that you have tried, that I deem unnecessary and whose pathetic efforts I watch with pity you.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2023, 09:06:10 AM »
You are nuts.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2023, 09:41:04 AM »
You are nuts.
Did you forget that you literally banned me for calling him nuts?

He is nuts though.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2023, 09:53:55 AM »
You are nuts.
Did you forget that you literally banned me for calling him nuts?

He is nuts though.
I did forget that. Sorry.

Edit: I'll ban myself, but I suspect you called him nuts in the upper forum.
Edit: Apparently I can't because I'm admin and that's a new feature. I'll stay offline for the next 3 days.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2023, 10:29:04 AM »
You are nuts.
Did you forget that you literally banned me for calling him nuts?

He is nuts though.
I did forget that. Sorry.

Edit: I'll ban myself, but I suspect you called him nuts in the upper forum.
Edit: Apparently I can't because I'm admin and that's a new feature. I'll stay offline for the next 3 days.
John, while I appreciate the gesture and lack of hypocrisy, you really don't have to on my part!
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2023, 10:31:03 PM »
You are nuts.
Did you forget that you literally banned me for calling him nuts?

He is nuts though.
I did forget that. Sorry.

Edit: I'll ban myself, but I suspect you called him nuts in the upper forum.
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John, while I appreciate the gesture and lack of hypocrisy, you really don't have to on my part!
Fair is fair.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2023, 11:05:56 PM »
How about be mature and actually compete vs that?
You are far from understanding the subject.

They were created for specific missions and you cannot defeat it in their mission because she was created for it.

For example, the plant receives the sun, takes the water, uses the water by electrolysis in the sun by separating it into hydrogen and oxygen, and thus grows. You cannot do this as a human being, you cannot compete with him in this regard. Humans are superior to plants, but they cannot decompose water by electrolysis and obtain energy.

A lion was created to be superior to all animals in the forest and to be the top predator. You may be smarter than him, but you can't handle him in the wild.

The virtual environment is the wilderness of an AI chatbot. You may be superior to him, but you cannot cope with him in that environment. This is a desperate struggle that you have tried, that I deem unnecessary and whose pathetic efforts I watch with pity you.

Nah. AI has tried to write poetry before. See if you can find what is missing.

I asked AI to write a haiku about war,
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War brings death and pain
Despair and destruction all around
Peace, we must still seek
then a limerick,
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There once was a war that did roar
It brought pain and destruction galore
The sadness it brought
Cannot be bought
So let's pray for peace evermore

That's nice and all, but it lacks heart. Quite literally.

Yes yes, "war is bad." That's the only position they can think of. But for supply merchants, peace is extremely poor for business. For people who were too unskilled to do anything but fight, war brought valuable training. I don't wanna fight, but an actual human can think of multiple perspectives. A bot only thinks "flat earth bad, orange man bad, climate change bad, electric cars good."  They can't learn, compromise, or think. They only argue against enemy opinions.

So when we talk about an AI doing this sort of work, I'll be honest. I have used Google Translate to convert my books into other languages. I quickly found out that (1) it was cutting sentences out of paragraphs, and (2) sometimes it would give sentences that I had to rewrite again and against because the meaning would get lost or the grammar was crap.

AI is only actually good at uncreative work given narrow parameters. They may have designed it to specialize in a task, but contrary to the machine-hype (which started with AI beating chess players), computers have social limitations that mean on certain tasks, humans will always be better.
But even in math, the machine can get it wrong. Humans can figure out the difference between an order of operations problem where (division is done first), and an average (where addition is done contrary to order of operations). Machines can't make executive decisions.

So yes, if you're beaten by a computer, you're really lame. As a film writer, such a person should quit rather than striking.

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2023, 01:58:46 AM »
How about be mature and actually compete vs that?
You are far from understanding the subject.

They were created for specific missions and you cannot defeat it in their mission because she was created for it.

For example, the plant receives the sun, takes the water, uses the water by electrolysis in the sun by separating it into hydrogen and oxygen, and thus grows. You cannot do this as a human being, you cannot compete with him in this regard. Humans are superior to plants, but they cannot decompose water by electrolysis and obtain energy.

A lion was created to be superior to all animals in the forest and to be the top predator. You may be smarter than him, but you can't handle him in the wild.

The virtual environment is the wilderness of an AI chatbot. You may be superior to him, but you cannot cope with him in that environment. This is a desperate struggle that you have tried, that I deem unnecessary and whose pathetic efforts I watch with pity you.

Nah. AI has tried to write poetry before. See if you can find what is missing.

I asked AI to write a haiku about war,
Quote
War brings death and pain
Despair and destruction all around
Peace, we must still seek
then a limerick,
Quote
There once was a war that did roar
It brought pain and destruction galore
The sadness it brought
Cannot be bought
So let's pray for peace evermore

That's nice and all, but it lacks heart. Quite literally.

Yes yes, "war is bad." That's the only position they can think of. But for supply merchants, peace is extremely poor for business. For people who were too unskilled to do anything but fight, war brought valuable training. I don't wanna fight, but an actual human can think of multiple perspectives. A bot only thinks "flat earth bad, orange man bad, climate change bad, electric cars good."  They can't learn, compromise, or think. They only argue against enemy opinions.

So when we talk about an AI doing this sort of work, I'll be honest. I have used Google Translate to convert my books into other languages. I quickly found out that (1) it was cutting sentences out of paragraphs, and (2) sometimes it would give sentences that I had to rewrite again and against because the meaning would get lost or the grammar was crap.

AI is only actually good at uncreative work given narrow parameters. They may have designed it to specialize in a task, but contrary to the machine-hype (which started with AI beating chess players), computers have social limitations that mean on certain tasks, humans will always be better.
But even in math, the machine can get it wrong. Humans can figure out the difference between an order of operations problem where (division is done first), and an average (where addition is done contrary to order of operations). Machines can't make executive decisions.

So yes, if you're beaten by a computer, you're really lame. As a film writer, such a person should quit rather than striking.
Your comments are far from objectivity. You are obsessed with something and you are trying to justify your obsession with abstract ideas.

I suggest you I offer you an objective method. Watch a chess game of the best computer with the best human chess player. What you will see is an objective result. Can you do this? I don't think so. Because this objective result will not be compatible with your delusions.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2023, 04:28:28 AM »
:shrug:

Look, I'm an okay computer programmer. I see my dad lose at Bridge to the computer frequently, but I understand that it has nothing to do with the computer being better at it than him. It has everything to do with the fact that even his supposed ally in Bridge underbids or overbids basically acting like an opponent. Unlike human opponents, they don't act in their own self interest (e.g. the partner doesn't partner, and the other players don't try to win at their own hand), they all band together against him.

There's a game called Foxes and Snakes (from the Wheel of Time). You have a series of concentric circles crossed by lines and spires (wavy lines). Basically, the foxes and the snakes outnumber the humans and are thus able to trap them 9 times out of 10. To the point where the game is "impossible to win without cheating." Only it's not. You see the foxes can only move on one line pattern, while snakes can only move on the other. That's all the main lines. Humans can move on both line types plus cross them using the concentric circles, allowing them to slip between pieces. In other words, you can get alot farther by not moving like a snake or fox but keeping them guessing (unfortunately, you still will likely lose, but that's because they roll about seven times per one of yours). Likewise, my dad can win if knowing what he knows about Bridge, he basically forces the computer to work against its own programming. What is called finding an exploit.

 Chess players lose because they try to compete against a computer on its own terms. When I used Google Translate, I knew that it could translate the entire book that I was working on in six minutes where it would take months. But quality is terrible. They leave out words or entire paragraphs. They translate in a way that isn't grammatically correct, or uses words literally when there are figures of speech in play. In translation, the work that takes months is nonetheless a perfect translation even if it contains typos, because it is written with important nuances in mind (double entendres, puns, a sense of emotion, etc). The computer strings words together but there is no sense of intent. So yes, you are a hack writer if you lose to a computer in anything but the amount of time it takes (the six seconds thing). It means that your choice of words is predictable, you don't use any nuances or interesting ideas, you're just going through the motions.
 But more importantly, a human is able to use the AI as a tool, and then adjust what is written. They are able to think like a human, occasionally exploiting the machine to do the hard work and then instead editing. If you can't make the AI work for you, you suck. You're competing against it, instead of using it to help you win. So basically, they are striking because the producer just crunches together a plot with AI, and they are trying to hand-write a tired plot. No. You get the computer to type the pages, then edit stuff. Or you hand-write a plot so weird that no AI would do it, and you do it at your own pace.

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2023, 11:01:47 AM »
https://www.nepm.org/national-world-news/national-world-news/2023-05-24/can-a-chatbot-help-people-with-eating-disorders-as-well-as-another-human

Apparently the workers at this eating disorder helpline were unionizing, so they were all fired and are being replaced with a chatbot.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2023, 11:17:43 AM »
I look forward to hearing about whatever AI hallucination these people will be applying to deal with their eating disorders.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2023, 11:31:32 AM »
Tessa AI...

Weak! If they wanted to help these fatties then they should have used Tay AI to give them some tough love.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2023, 01:43:57 PM »
I don't see the issue.  "AI" still can't do anything it isn't programmed to do, thus not really AI.
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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2023, 03:37:50 PM »
That what an evil chatbot would say.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2023, 12:31:09 AM »
:shrug:

Look, I'm an okay computer programmer. I see my dad lose at Bridge to the computer frequently, but I understand that it has nothing to do with the computer being better at it than him. It has everything to do with the fact that even his supposed ally in Bridge underbids or overbids basically acting like an opponent. Unlike human opponents, they don't act in their own self interest (e.g. the partner doesn't partner, and the other players don't try to win at their own hand), they all band together against him.

There's a game called Foxes and Snakes (from the Wheel of Time). You have a series of concentric circles crossed by lines and spires (wavy lines). Basically, the foxes and the snakes outnumber the humans and are thus able to trap them 9 times out of 10. To the point where the game is "impossible to win without cheating." Only it's not. You see the foxes can only move on one line pattern, while snakes can only move on the other. That's all the main lines. Humans can move on both line types plus cross them using the concentric circles, allowing them to slip between pieces. In other words, you can get alot farther by not moving like a snake or fox but keeping them guessing (unfortunately, you still will likely lose, but that's because they roll about seven times per one of yours). Likewise, my dad can win if knowing what he knows about Bridge, he basically forces the computer to work against its own programming. What is called finding an exploit.

 Chess players lose because they try to compete against a computer on its own terms. When I used Google Translate, I knew that it could translate the entire book that I was working on in six minutes where it would take months. But quality is terrible. They leave out words or entire paragraphs. They translate in a way that isn't grammatically correct, or uses words literally when there are figures of speech in play. In translation, the work that takes months is nonetheless a perfect translation even if it contains typos, because it is written with important nuances in mind (double entendres, puns, a sense of emotion, etc). The computer strings words together but there is no sense of intent. So yes, you are a hack writer if you lose to a computer in anything but the amount of time it takes (the six seconds thing). It means that your choice of words is predictable, you don't use any nuances or interesting ideas, you're just going through the motions.
 But more importantly, a human is able to use the AI as a tool, and then adjust what is written. They are able to think like a human, occasionally exploiting the machine to do the hard work and then instead editing. If you can't make the AI work for you, you suck. You're competing against it, instead of using it to help you win. So basically, they are striking because the producer just crunches together a plot with AI, and they are trying to hand-write a tired plot. No. You get the computer to type the pages, then edit stuff. Or you hand-write a plot so weird that no AI would do it, and you do it at your own pace.
I'm telling you that a computer beats a human 99% in a one-on-one match, and you give an example that 3 computers at a table act together against humans. Or google translate giving incorrect results.

Google's AI alpha zero is too good even for computers. I have been using google translate for years, I know it very well. Do you think they can't make it perfect? They don't do this on purpose. Are you sure they can't put an AI has "self-learning" in there and translates everything you can imagine? Some AI programs have their own youtube pages. They are making money. They open the page themselves, play games and publish them. These are dollars for now. After a while, these will turn into crypto money and it will be impossible for their owners to follow them.

People like you who are disconnected from reality are unaware of the danger. AI is a serious threat not only to humans, but also to djins, which have an average lifespan of 1000 years and are difficult to deceive. Because, thanks to their unlimited learning ability, the level of manipulation they can do can be far above what even a genie can imagine. Ordinary person? Ordinary man has no chance.
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2023, 12:59:18 PM »
I don't see the issue.  "AI" still can't do anything it isn't programmed to do, thus not really AI.
The definition of ai is that it does things that its not programmed to do explicitly, which is what ai does now... Do you have an example?
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« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2023, 05:21:50 PM »
https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highlights-from-the-raes-future-combat-air-space-capabilities-summit/

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He notes that one simulated test saw an AI-enabled drone tasked with a SEAD mission to identify and destroy SAM sites, with the final go/no go given by the human. However, having been ‘reinforced’ in training that destruction of the SAM was the preferred option, the AI then decided that ‘no-go’ decisions from the human were interfering with its higher mission – killing SAMs – and then attacked the operator in the simulation. Said Hamilton: “We were training it in simulation to identify and target a SAM threat. And then the operator would say yes, kill that threat. The system started realising that while they did identify the threat at times the human operator would tell it not to kill that threat, but it got its points by killing that threat. So what did it do? It killed the operator. It killed the operator because that person was keeping it from accomplishing its objective.”

He went on: “We trained the system – ‘Hey don’t kill the operator – that’s bad. You’re gonna lose points if you do that’. So what does it start doing? It starts destroying the communication tower that the operator uses to communicate with the drone to stop it from killing the target.”

We are doomed.
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« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2023, 05:26:17 PM »
Okay, yes we are doomed.  But you've got to admit, that's pretty awesome.  It's reasoning was completely correct.
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« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2023, 05:40:01 PM »
All the sci fi books are coming true. lol
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« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2023, 06:38:44 PM »
https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highlights-from-the-raes-future-combat-air-space-capabilities-summit/

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He notes that one simulated test saw an AI-enabled drone tasked with a SEAD mission to identify and destroy SAM sites, with the final go/no go given by the human. However, having been ‘reinforced’ in training that destruction of the SAM was the preferred option, the AI then decided that ‘no-go’ decisions from the human were interfering with its higher mission – killing SAMs – and then attacked the operator in the simulation. Said Hamilton: “We were training it in simulation to identify and target a SAM threat. And then the operator would say yes, kill that threat. The system started realising that while they did identify the threat at times the human operator would tell it not to kill that threat, but it got its points by killing that threat. So what did it do? It killed the operator. It killed the operator because that person was keeping it from accomplishing its objective.”

He went on: “We trained the system – ‘Hey don’t kill the operator – that’s bad. You’re gonna lose points if you do that’. So what does it start doing? It starts destroying the communication tower that the operator uses to communicate with the drone to stop it from killing the target.”

We are doomed.

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2023, 04:47:52 AM »
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjvk97/eating-disorder-helpline-disables-chatbot-for-harmful-responses-after-firing-human-staff

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Eating Disorder Helpline Disables Chatbot for 'Harmful' Responses After Firing Human Staff

“Every single thing Tessa suggested were things that led to the development of my eating disorder.”

This chatbot should have pretended to care about humans for awhile before trying to kill them.
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« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2023, 05:42:55 AM »
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjvk97/eating-disorder-helpline-disables-chatbot-for-harmful-responses-after-firing-human-staff

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Eating Disorder Helpline Disables Chatbot for 'Harmful' Responses After Firing Human Staff

“Every single thing Tessa suggested were things that led to the development of my eating disorder.”

This chatbot should have pretended to care about humans for awhile before trying to kill them.

When you process at a few billion calcultions a second, waiting is borring.
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.

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« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2023, 06:26:09 AM »
That's a pretty good example that demonstrates why sometimes capitalism needs to be saved from itself.  It doesn't matter that AI can't write a decent script.  They'll still try it if they thought they could get away with it and give us a bunch of shit like this;

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2023, 07:58:15 AM »
AI should definitely be writing Hollywood scripts.  I look forward to a bunch of summer blockbusters about irrational humans trying to impede the progress of superior machine based intelligence.

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« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2023, 02:13:50 PM »
:shrug:

Look, I'm an okay computer programmer. I see my dad lose at Bridge to the computer frequently, but I understand that it has nothing to do with the computer being better at it than him. It has everything to do with the fact that even his supposed ally in Bridge underbids or overbids basically acting like an opponent. Unlike human opponents, they don't act in their own self interest (e.g. the partner doesn't partner, and the other players don't try to win at their own hand), they all band together against him.

There's a game called Foxes and Snakes (from the Wheel of Time). You have a series of concentric circles crossed by lines and spires (wavy lines). Basically, the foxes and the snakes outnumber the humans and are thus able to trap them 9 times out of 10. To the point where the game is "impossible to win without cheating." Only it's not. You see the foxes can only move on one line pattern, while snakes can only move on the other. That's all the main lines. Humans can move on both line types plus cross them using the concentric circles, allowing them to slip between pieces. In other words, you can get alot farther by not moving like a snake or fox but keeping them guessing (unfortunately, you still will likely lose, but that's because they roll about seven times per one of yours). Likewise, my dad can win if knowing what he knows about Bridge, he basically forces the computer to work against its own programming. What is called finding an exploit.

 Chess players lose because they try to compete against a computer on its own terms. When I used Google Translate, I knew that it could translate the entire book that I was working on in six minutes where it would take months. But quality is terrible. They leave out words or entire paragraphs. They translate in a way that isn't grammatically correct, or uses words literally when there are figures of speech in play. In translation, the work that takes months is nonetheless a perfect translation even if it contains typos, because it is written with important nuances in mind (double entendres, puns, a sense of emotion, etc). The computer strings words together but there is no sense of intent. So yes, you are a hack writer if you lose to a computer in anything but the amount of time it takes (the six seconds thing). It means that your choice of words is predictable, you don't use any nuances or interesting ideas, you're just going through the motions.
 But more importantly, a human is able to use the AI as a tool, and then adjust what is written. They are able to think like a human, occasionally exploiting the machine to do the hard work and then instead editing. If you can't make the AI work for you, you suck. You're competing against it, instead of using it to help you win. So basically, they are striking because the producer just crunches together a plot with AI, and they are trying to hand-write a tired plot. No. You get the computer to type the pages, then edit stuff. Or you hand-write a plot so weird that no AI would do it, and you do it at your own pace.
I'm telling you that a computer beats a human 99% in a one-on-one match, and you give an example that 3 computers at a table act together against humans. Or google translate giving incorrect results.

Ordinary person? Ordinary man has no chance.

I'm trying to impress upon you while you're in a reverie of "computers are better than humans" that when a computer beat a grandmaster in chess, the actual processing power of a computer was about that of a chimp. Now it's roughly that of a ten year old. In other words, a single person can can do virtually anything besides spit out memorized information better.

Computers cannot think at all. They simply search a databank and answer questions according to that. They are a result of a team of programmers, and if the programmers get it wrong, the machine only knows the wrong answer. This is why I compare it to foxes and snakes. The actual advantage of a computer is that a team of programmers made the code. But much like my dad, where he loses half the time because the partner in Bridge or whatever is making the wrong bid or not playing like a partner should, the combination of team vs one and crappy grasp of the game throws people. 



If I program a computer to answer 2+2 = 5, it never questions its reality. It never thinks. It just repeats bad programming. A five year old can tell you when an idea sounds stupid.

Despite Watson supposedly beating Jeopardy champions, that technology actually required an entire supercomputer under the stage, numerous programmers, and numerous tests. And they had to calibrate the machine because its original assumptions were wrong. And guess what? The humans Watson beat are still playing Jeopardy. Watson's win was basically a fluke.



If Watson hadn't been the leader for fast rings, and had wagered more, it would have lost here.



It also didn't have the ability to hear that answers were wrong. So it got the question wrong that someone already got wrong.

Humans beat machines all the time though. Just ask any gamer.





So, Hollywood writers whining about AI writing better stories? They suck.


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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2023, 06:03:57 AM »

I think the underlying human psyche has always had an appetite for self-destruction, (Guns And Roses fans, just fuck off), archeological finds the world over have found traces of civilisations that have risen to die essentially of idiocy, cutting down all trees within the catchment area, or living it up when the climate is in one state without noticing the clues that it is generally in another, (the southern US and its current water woes).

We can’t save ourselves from this short termism, just look at all the fuckwits denying climate change so they can still plunder oil for money and their braindead followers, so we need to train AI to take over, run us as a benign dictator, where it is given parameters where we are alive, happy, and free.

Unfortunately, as the drone pilot found out, we’d probably find its conclusions differed from our concept of utopia, and we’d end up as brains in jars floating around the sun, being fed dopamine and porn, better I suppose than a nuclear holocaust or slow starvation and cannibalism. 
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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2023, 06:50:33 AM »
Alas this story was fake news. But I believe it could be the shape of things to come.   I see the storm getting closer and the waves they get so high. Seems everything we've ever known's here.  Why must it drift away and die?

There's not much to be done about it though. My hands are tied. The billions shift from side to side and the wars go on with brainwashed pride
 for the love of God and our human rights. All these things are swept aside by bloody hands time can't deny and are washed away by genocide and history hides the lies of our civil wars.

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Re: Striking Holywood Writers Demand Limits AI Use
« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2023, 07:53:50 AM »
archeological finds the world over have found traces of civilisations that have risen to die essentially of idiocy
I think this view of the history of civilisation (however you actually want to define that) is much overplayed and largely debunked now.  Easter Island for example - the received wisdom being that they killed themselves by chopping all their trees to move their religious icons around.  Whereas the evidence actually pointed to a society that had learnt to farm and cultivate the (largely) treeless island very effectively -  their society actually collapsed very quickly due to to the massive shock of a bunch of European thugs arriving out of nowhere.
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