Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

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Themightykabool

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2160 on: September 23, 2023, 01:14:16 PM »
Water pushes things up

Air pushes things up




Youve yet to explain how it oushes things down outside tye singular "it falls because its dense"

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2161 on: September 23, 2023, 03:45:33 PM »
It has.
No, it hasn't.
If it had, it would be trivial for you to provide the answer.
Instead you need to hide behind the lie that you already have.

If you think it has been, prove us all wrong by providing it here.
Again, how does the low pressure air above the object push the object down into the high pressure air?
Again, we know it has nothing to do with how it got there, so don't bother going down that path.
We also know it has nothing to do with it displacing air, because that just means the air is pushing on it, it doesn't magically displace only the air above to cause it to push back down.

Of course we can but it's understanding why and it isn't fictional gravity.
It is about understand why.
And it clearly isn't the air.
Instead, it appears to be a force entirely disconnected from air, which acts directly on mass.
That sure sounds like gravity.
And there is no reason to think gravity is fictional. Especially when it explains what is observed and has plenty of evidence supporting it.

Conversely, your idea that the air is doing it is clearly fictional.
Low pressure air can't push the object down into high pressure air.
And there is no reason for it to push high density objects one way and low density objects another.

You first have to understand how those heavy dense masses end up higher in order to fall and overcome below resistance.
No, we don't.
As it doesn't matter how it is moved.
If that was going to be the case, moving a heavy object to the right would result in the air pushing it back to the left; pushing a heavy object down would result in it pushing back up.

We can also easily see this with a tube sealed at one end, and then pushing a heavy object into it (creating a seal). Regardless of which way we push, the air pushes back opposite that. If we push it to the right, the air pushes back to the left. If we push it down, the air pushes up.

If we make the tube larger, so an air-tight seal isn't made, then the air flows around and doesn't push back.

For bonus points we can even use water.
We can have the water be nice and high density, sitting in a pot;
We heat the water up causing it to evaporate to low density steam.
This then rises upwards, to reach a cool surface above.
At this cool surface it condenses, and then falls.

In your fantasy, the air pushed the water up. There was no need for any external force to be provided to push it up. All that was required was converting it to steam. Then when it cooled, it falls back down.

So it clearly doesn't depend on how the heavy object got there.
And it clearly isn't the air causing it to fall.

Nothing is pushed up unless there's an added force to the atmospheric displacement of the object.
Such as the air pressure being greater below the object than above, being an "added" force.
Otherwise, what is there pushing a helium filled balloon up?

I have but it's perfectly clear you have no clue or intention of trying to understand it judging by your first quoted post in this reply.
No, you haven't.
Again, the fundamental issue you keep ignoring is that the air pressure is greater BELOW the object.
In order to push down, you need to have this low pressure air above the object overcome the higher pressure air below.
You have never explained how this happens.
The closest you have come to that is appealing to the dense mass of the object, as if it is trying to go down all by itself.
So again, what is perfectly clear is that you have no intention of trying to explain, as you clearly can't.

Negative scale reading.
No, negative pressure:
the scale will still have offered negative pressure upon it.

Do you know what a simpler name for negative pressure is? Vacuum.

anyone partaking should at least try and understand it.
And when they do, you just insult them because they don't just accept your fantasy works, because it doesn't.

Most just want to argue and try and ridicule then whine when they don't get the required bites.
No, most just explain why your model doesn't work and ask simple questions to demonstrate this, and YOU then try to to ridicule and wine because you can't answer.

Nobody's asking you to agree with it or accept it in any way shape or form but at the very least take some time to understand some of it to get to a better understanding of more.
Again, we are. We understand you claim that displacing the air causes things to be pushed down.
But we want to know why/how.
How does the air push objects down?

The atmosphere is crushing you back by your entire body's dense mass displacement of it.
Again, it is CRUSHING, not pushing down.
The full force of the atmosphere is pushing on the outside of your body, with a slightly higher force from below, meaning overall as well as crushing you, it pushes you up.
Feeling it pushing us in (or up) is not the same as feeling it pushing us down.

Have a good think about it, it may help you understand.
MAYBE.

Have you ever wondered how certain fish stand the pressures of deeper and deeper oceans?
By equalising with the outside pressure.
That way the force pushing out is the same as the force pushing in.
Once the pressure has roughly equalised, there is basically no crush.

Put your mind to work.
We have, which is why we know your model doesn't work.

I have but you somehow can't understand atmospheric displacement yet you can understand it when it comes to water.
You haven't.
We understand both, including why it happens.
And it can be explained in a few ways.

When you place something in air or water, this will raise the level of it (assuming it has an open top). This means it is higher, and wants to go back down.
This can be modelled with a see-saw.
Pushing something into water or air is pushing down its side of the see-saw and lifts up the other side.
This means the other side then tries to push back down, which in turn provides an upwards force on the side with the object.
i.e. the fluid pushes the object up.

The more fundamental way is to understand that each layer of fluid needs to support the weight of the fluid above. This creates a pressure gradient, with the pressure greater the further down you are. (As you don't believe in weight, but do accept the pressure gradient, you can start here)
This pressure gradient acts on any object inside the fluid, pushing it upwards. And doing the math we find out the upwards force is equal to the weight of the displaced fluid.

In both cases, the fluid pushes up.

So we do understand.
Putting an object in a fluid, causing it to displace that fluid, results in an upwards force equal to the weight of the fluid displaced.
It does not push the object down.

Why should putting it in a fluid cause the fluid to push it down?
That is what you refuse to explain.
Appealing to displacement does not help.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2162 on: September 23, 2023, 05:17:26 PM »

If that's the case then you shouldn't be giving me one more second of your time, so why are you?
Try and ignore me. What's so difficult?

Because one simple question like what pressure and density is it impossible for oxygen to exist and only helium coupled with I never experienced such a pressure and density just proves den pressure delusion is wrong. 

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2163 on: September 23, 2023, 05:23:29 PM »

You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.

Twist what?  You literally referred to negative pressure.

Negative scale reading. Minus.
I don't expect you to understand. I know your forum replies are based on copying and pasting from books without knowing what it is you are copying and pasting.


You seemed to ignored the rest of the post…


If I had a chamber at say 5 pounds of pressure absolute or something like 18” mg vacuum (which is about equal to the pressure on top of Mount Everest ) and opened it to atmosphere.  The atmosphere would rush into the chamber to equalize the pressure with atmosphere.  The difference in pressure potential will disappear.

So.  What force keeps air modules bunched up at sea level, and prevents them from rushing to the top of Mount Everest like the atmosphere rushes to the chamber at 5 psia when open to atmosphere?


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Timeisup

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2164 on: September 24, 2023, 04:07:04 AM »
The problem for everyone apart from you is that ALL of your notions are in direct contradiction with reality!
In your mind they are because your reality is entirely based on following storylines without actual proof but accepted as truth based on who tells and sells the stories.

Your argument is entirely based on mass acceptance and your participation within those masses.


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How do you expect people to relate to ideas that are pure fiction being passed off as alleged facts.
I don't pass anything off as fact with denpressure. I state it often enough.
Once a person gets fixated on it they can't seem to see past that.
I can't help that, it's not my issue.

I could offer it back to you expecting me to relate to pure fiction by trying to pass it off as facts based entirely on parroting idols.


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Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist.
They don't. Lower pressure can be attained in many variations.
Vacuums? Not a chance.

Quote from: Timeisup
In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.
Chambers capable of evacuation of atmosphere, yes. Lowering pressure, yes.
Vacuums.....no.


Quote from: Timeisup
This is quite an easy thing to fact check for any one interested to do so.
Already have and there's no such thing as a vacuum.


Quote from: Timeisup
You however have no real interest in the truth so you just close your already closed iff mind and simply deny they exist.
I'm very interested in the truth. Not the ones you think are truths.


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You have no interest in debate or the truth and only care about the fiction you have created inside your own head. That is all people need to understand.
People can understand what they wish.
I know what I know and I think what I think.
You won't alter that by pretending you know facts.

You now admit these vacuum chambers physically exist!

However you deny the function for which they were designed and built.  Namely to create hard vacuums.

This of course you deny despite the glaring fact that these chambers are used all over the world for producing the exact conditions that you continue to deny exist.

What you are in fact claiming is that all the companies who design and make these chambers and all the end users are somehow delusional! In reality all the delusion is with you.

And you expect people to engage with your ideas when they are all based on nothing more of a mad denial of reality.

How do you explain the undeniable fact that the very existence of the vacuum chambers, their design and manufacture and their daily use disproves all you claim at a stroke.

Yet you refuse to accept the reality of both their purpose and use. Check out reality:-

https://cadinox.com/en/sectors/science/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg460sZrAgQMV1uvtCh2BjQOGEAAYASABEgI_MfD_BwE

The only thing people need to know about what you claim is that it is all built on the denial of this reality.

You accept vacuum chambers physically exist but deny the use for which they are intended!

You have nothing without your denial as it’s the basis on which all your notions are built.

The real question that needs to be answered and understood is why you choose to deny reality?
You went through all this again hoping for a different answer.
The answers are still the same as previous.
Don't waste your time.

This is why you keep avoiding confronting reality.

The reality is something you maintain does not exist is a daily happening all over the globe.

The manufacture of units to create vacuums is a reality as are vacuums themselves.

You religiously avoid dealing with that truth closing your mind off and just using denial.

Regardless of all the other comments you make it is the undeniable truth that is so easily verified, is that vacuums are regularly created on a daily basis.

The fact that you keep denying this truth reveals just how dishonest and closed minded you are.



Are you claiming all these people who design and manufacture these chambers are wrong or worse lying?

How can you on the face of irrefutable proof maintain that vacuums don’t exist?





"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Jack Black

Now that is a laugh!

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2165 on: September 24, 2023, 04:17:28 AM »
Water pushes things up

Air pushes things up

They crush, not push from directly underneath. It's important to understand this in denpressure.
And they only crush up if the dense mass displacement of the atmosphere is not greater than the resistance below, otherwise, they're crushed down.

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Youve yet to explain how it oushes things down outside tye singular "it falls because its dense"
I have but those with blinkers on will not see and those with excess ear wax will struggle to hear.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2166 on: September 24, 2023, 04:18:18 AM »
It has.
No, it hasn't.

It certainly has. It's your issue if you refuse to try and understand it.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2167 on: September 24, 2023, 04:18:58 AM »

If that's the case then you shouldn't be giving me one more second of your time, so why are you?
Try and ignore me. What's so difficult?

Because one simple question like what pressure and density is it impossible for oxygen to exist and only helium coupled with I never experienced such a pressure and density just proves den pressure delusion is wrong.
You don't even know what you're talking about so don't waste it trying to argue.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2168 on: September 24, 2023, 04:21:59 AM »

You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.

Twist what?  You literally referred to negative pressure.

Negative scale reading. Minus.
I don't expect you to understand. I know your forum replies are based on copying and pasting from books without knowing what it is you are copying and pasting.


You seemed to ignored the rest of the post…


If I had a chamber at say 5 pounds of pressure absolute or something like 18” mg vacuum (which is about equal to the pressure on top of Mount Everest ) and opened it to atmosphere.  The atmosphere would rush into the chamber to equalize the pressure with atmosphere.  The difference in pressure potential will disappear.

So.  What force keeps air modules bunched up at sea level, and prevents them from rushing to the top of Mount Everest like the atmosphere rushes to the chamber at 5 psia when open to atmosphere?
When you decide to actually take notice and stop your idiotic stance then I'll be happy to oblige you. Failure to take anything in and just hit back with silliness will result in these replies because you're not worth much else.
The choice is yours.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2169 on: September 24, 2023, 04:24:05 AM »
The problem for everyone apart from you is that ALL of your notions are in direct contradiction with reality!
In your mind they are because your reality is entirely based on following storylines without actual proof but accepted as truth based on who tells and sells the stories.

Your argument is entirely based on mass acceptance and your participation within those masses.


Quote from: Timeisup
How do you expect people to relate to ideas that are pure fiction being passed off as alleged facts.
I don't pass anything off as fact with denpressure. I state it often enough.
Once a person gets fixated on it they can't seem to see past that.
I can't help that, it's not my issue.

I could offer it back to you expecting me to relate to pure fiction by trying to pass it off as facts based entirely on parroting idols.


Quote from: Timeisup
Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist.
They don't. Lower pressure can be attained in many variations.
Vacuums? Not a chance.

Quote from: Timeisup
In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.
Chambers capable of evacuation of atmosphere, yes. Lowering pressure, yes.
Vacuums.....no.


Quote from: Timeisup
This is quite an easy thing to fact check for any one interested to do so.
Already have and there's no such thing as a vacuum.


Quote from: Timeisup
You however have no real interest in the truth so you just close your already closed iff mind and simply deny they exist.
I'm very interested in the truth. Not the ones you think are truths.


Quote from: Timeisup
You have no interest in debate or the truth and only care about the fiction you have created inside your own head. That is all people need to understand.
People can understand what they wish.
I know what I know and I think what I think.
You won't alter that by pretending you know facts.

You now admit these vacuum chambers physically exist!

However you deny the function for which they were designed and built.  Namely to create hard vacuums.

This of course you deny despite the glaring fact that these chambers are used all over the world for producing the exact conditions that you continue to deny exist.

What you are in fact claiming is that all the companies who design and make these chambers and all the end users are somehow delusional! In reality all the delusion is with you.

And you expect people to engage with your ideas when they are all based on nothing more of a mad denial of reality.

How do you explain the undeniable fact that the very existence of the vacuum chambers, their design and manufacture and their daily use disproves all you claim at a stroke.

Yet you refuse to accept the reality of both their purpose and use. Check out reality:-

https://cadinox.com/en/sectors/science/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg460sZrAgQMV1uvtCh2BjQOGEAAYASABEgI_MfD_BwE

The only thing people need to know about what you claim is that it is all built on the denial of this reality.

You accept vacuum chambers physically exist but deny the use for which they are intended!

You have nothing without your denial as it’s the basis on which all your notions are built.

The real question that needs to be answered and understood is why you choose to deny reality?
You went through all this again hoping for a different answer.
The answers are still the same as previous.
Don't waste your time.

This is why you keep avoiding confronting reality.

The reality is something you maintain does not exist is a daily happening all over the globe.

The manufacture of units to create vacuums is a reality as are vacuums themselves.

You religiously avoid dealing with that truth closing your mind off and just using denial.

Regardless of all the other comments you make it is the undeniable truth that is so easily verified, is that vacuums are regularly created on a daily basis.

The fact that you keep denying this truth reveals just how dishonest and closed minded you are.



Are you claiming all these people who design and manufacture these chambers are wrong or worse lying?

How can you on the face of irrefutable proof maintain that vacuums don’t exist?
Once you understand you could never evacuate all pressure, meaning you can't evacuate all molecules, only then will you understand why a vacuum cannot exist.
If you want to offer lower pressure or even extreme low pressure then fine but don't offer a vacuum unless you can offer proof of nothing.
Can you?

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Smoke Machine

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2170 on: September 24, 2023, 05:03:01 AM »
Sceptimatic, this thread is devoted to YOUR theory - denpressure.
Yes it is and anyone partaking should at least try and understand it.
Most just want to argue and try and ridicule then whine when they don't get the required bites.




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The opportunities opened up to you in your life because of your denpressure model, is everybody in this thread's business.
If you make it your business then try and understand it. Nobody's asking you to agree with it or accept it in any way shape or form but at the very least take some time to understand some of it to get to a better understanding of more.
If not then carry on trying to just argue about nothing. I have no issue with the whining and stuff by whoever tries to just come in to argue and end up frustrated.
If you make me and denpressure your business then don;t waste your efforts dismissing it without knowing what it is you're dismissing.
It's a case of being too scared to look at it for fear of appearing to put your accepted, on-the-platter global storylines on the backburner, leaving the hyenas to come for the potential pickings.


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Nobody here is interested in your other opportunities in life - only those afforded you by your super genius denpressure model. A model, which coincidentally, no other flat earther on this entire forum seems to agree with.

This isn't about otehr flat Earth theorists. It's about anyone who wants to try and take me on. If they try then at least know what it is they're trying to argue against.
None of you and the usual suspects have a clue.

 
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If your theory is all about density pressure, why not call it density pressure instead of denpressure? Even densepressure is more accurate.

Because it's denpressure and seeing as you pay no attention it's the dense mass displacement of atmosphere creating a pressure....denpressure.
You can call it whatever you wish but it's denpressure to me.

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I know about air pressure changes felt in my ears, Sceptimatic.
Then try and understand why you feel it and take some time to get your head around it.


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What I also know, is I've never felt any air pressure from the atmosphere pushing down on the top of my head, or the top of my shoulders when I'm walking around or standing upright. I breathe the air and I don't get pushed down by it.
The atmosphere is crushing you back by your entire body's dense mass displacement of it.
Have a good think about it, it may help you understand.
MAYBE.


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So you say you can detect denpressure on your body, Sceptimatic?
We all can, we just don't pay much attention to correlating it.
We do pay attention to it when we are immersed in water, which is just a denser mass being displaced.

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Please tell me on which part of your body you feel denpressure pushing you down to the Earth?
All over if you pay attention.


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(If you were thinking of saying your pecker and ball sack, no, that's old age and gravity atmospheric displacement respectively)
I wish but unfortunately mine are like cheap label peas with a tiny snapped matchstick stuck to them.


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Myself and all the other people in this thread, are humans just like you, and none of us have ever felt denpressure pushing down on us.
You feel pressure and so does everyone else. What you accept it as is entirely up to you and all the others you claim to know the minds of.


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No sore tops of our heads, no soreness on the tops of our shoulders from air pressure crushing down on us.
Your dense body sees to that but it's all about understanding it.
Have you ever wondered how certain fish stand the pressures of deeper and deeper oceans?
Put your mind to work.


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Would you like to enlighten us all, how you detect denpressure first-hand, pushing you down to Earth, Sceptimatic, while everybody else, can't?

I'm afraid you'll have to try and figure it out because that's what it'll take. It requires you to put your thinking cap on.


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Excuse the pun, but, no pressure....  ;)
Excuse the pun but it's always pressure. There's no escaping it.

Atmospheric displacement is responsible for your saggy balls, Sceptimatic? Not the weights you used to hang from your schlong and ballbag when you were trying to make a porn career, hmm? Is it also responsible for you losing height as you enter the twilight years of your life? Is it also responsible for your jowels, turkey neck, and tuckshop lady arms? Come on! You give air too much credit. Next, you'll be telling us you're a breatharian.

I'm starting to feel pressure in my head right now, replying to you - it's called a headache. Oh wait, no, that's from replying to  bulshitbeliefs.

Sceptimatic, you're re-writing physics, like for some sci-fi movie plot or tv series. "Life on Flat Earth"? Will that be the title? Or will it be a serious documentary - "An air of flat earthery"?  Maybe the enterprise could visit your world in an episode of Star Trek - strange new worlds. A very very strange new world in this case.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2171 on: September 24, 2023, 05:10:29 AM »

If that's the case then you shouldn't be giving me one more second of your time, so why are you?
Try and ignore me. What's so difficult?

Because one simple question like what pressure and density is it impossible for oxygen to exist and only helium coupled with I never experienced such a pressure and density just proves den pressure delusion is wrong.
You don't even know what you're talking about so don't waste it trying to argue.


What pressure and density is it impossible where oxygen can’t exist and only helium.  And why doesn’t the helium breakdown to hydrogen?

Seems like you told a lie.  And den pressure delusion is the lie. 

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2172 on: September 24, 2023, 05:18:58 AM »

You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.

Twist what?  You literally referred to negative pressure.

Negative scale reading. Minus.
I don't expect you to understand. I know your forum replies are based on copying and pasting from books without knowing what it is you are copying and pasting.


You seemed to ignored the rest of the post…


If I had a chamber at say 5 pounds of pressure absolute or something like 18” mg vacuum (which is about equal to the pressure on top of Mount Everest ) and opened it to atmosphere.  The atmosphere would rush into the chamber to equalize the pressure with atmosphere.  The difference in pressure potential will disappear.

So.  What force keeps air modules bunched up at sea level, and prevents them from rushing to the top of Mount Everest like the atmosphere rushes to the chamber at 5 psia when open to atmosphere?
When you decide to actually take notice and stop your idiotic stance then I'll be happy to oblige you. Failure to take anything in and just hit back with silliness will result in these replies because you're not worth much else.
The choice is yours.


You claim the lower pressure of the upper atmosphere can keep the greater pressure of the lower atmosphere from equalizing? Without gravity.

But a tank of lower pressure when open to atmosphere can’t keep the greater pressures out.

  If I take a pressurized tank grater than atmospheric pressure at 25,000 feet, the lower pressure can’t keep the pressure from escaping if the pressurized tank is open to atmosphere.

I can take a small tank filled with water open to atmosphere and connect an air line pressurized to 5 psi above atmosphere to the bottom of the tank.  And the air line will push the air into the water.  Despite the water’s greater density.  I’m actually doing something similar right now, bubbling my fish tank with an air stone.


Den pressure is stupid. 

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Timeisup

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2173 on: September 24, 2023, 06:44:13 AM »
The problem for everyone apart from you is that ALL of your notions are in direct contradiction with reality!
In your mind they are because your reality is entirely based on following storylines without actual proof but accepted as truth based on who tells and sells the stories.

Your argument is entirely based on mass acceptance and your participation within those masses.


Quote from: Timeisup
How do you expect people to relate to ideas that are pure fiction being passed off as alleged facts.
I don't pass anything off as fact with denpressure. I state it often enough.
Once a person gets fixated on it they can't seem to see past that.
I can't help that, it's not my issue.

I could offer it back to you expecting me to relate to pure fiction by trying to pass it off as facts based entirely on parroting idols.


Quote from: Timeisup
Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist.
They don't. Lower pressure can be attained in many variations.
Vacuums? Not a chance.

Quote from: Timeisup
In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.
Chambers capable of evacuation of atmosphere, yes. Lowering pressure, yes.
Vacuums.....no.


Quote from: Timeisup
This is quite an easy thing to fact check for any one interested to do so.
Already have and there's no such thing as a vacuum.


Quote from: Timeisup
You however have no real interest in the truth so you just close your already closed iff mind and simply deny they exist.
I'm very interested in the truth. Not the ones you think are truths.


Quote from: Timeisup
You have no interest in debate or the truth and only care about the fiction you have created inside your own head. That is all people need to understand.
People can understand what they wish.
I know what I know and I think what I think.
You won't alter that by pretending you know facts.

You now admit these vacuum chambers physically exist!

However you deny the function for which they were designed and built.  Namely to create hard vacuums.

This of course you deny despite the glaring fact that these chambers are used all over the world for producing the exact conditions that you continue to deny exist.

What you are in fact claiming is that all the companies who design and make these chambers and all the end users are somehow delusional! In reality all the delusion is with you.

And you expect people to engage with your ideas when they are all based on nothing more of a mad denial of reality.

How do you explain the undeniable fact that the very existence of the vacuum chambers, their design and manufacture and their daily use disproves all you claim at a stroke.

Yet you refuse to accept the reality of both their purpose and use. Check out reality:-

https://cadinox.com/en/sectors/science/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg460sZrAgQMV1uvtCh2BjQOGEAAYASABEgI_MfD_BwE

The only thing people need to know about what you claim is that it is all built on the denial of this reality.

You accept vacuum chambers physically exist but deny the use for which they are intended!

You have nothing without your denial as it’s the basis on which all your notions are built.

The real question that needs to be answered and understood is why you choose to deny reality?
You went through all this again hoping for a different answer.
The answers are still the same as previous.
Don't waste your time.

This is why you keep avoiding confronting reality.

The reality is something you maintain does not exist is a daily happening all over the globe.

The manufacture of units to create vacuums is a reality as are vacuums themselves.

You religiously avoid dealing with that truth closing your mind off and just using denial.

Regardless of all the other comments you make it is the undeniable truth that is so easily verified, is that vacuums are regularly created on a daily basis.

The fact that you keep denying this truth reveals just how dishonest and closed minded you are.



Are you claiming all these people who design and manufacture these chambers are wrong or worse lying?

How can you on the face of irrefutable proof maintain that vacuums don’t exist?
Once you understand you could never evacuate all pressure, meaning you can't evacuate all molecules, only then will you understand why a vacuum cannot exist.
If you want to offer lower pressure or even extreme low pressure then fine but don't offer a vacuum unless you can offer proof of nothing.
Can you?

All the understanding needs to come from YOU.

All your belief is entirely based on denial.

The real issue here you have no way of testing if a perfect vacuum can be produced, which it cant, not here on earth, but its possible to come very close to it that can indeed mimic the hard vacuum of outer space.

That aside what you believe is entirely wrong. Here is the truth which of course you deny, based on nothing but ignorance.

https://www.vacuumscienceworld.com/ultra-and-extreme-high-vacuum#key_considerations_for_working_in_hv_uhv_and_xhv_conditions





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Now that is a laugh!

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JackBlack

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2174 on: September 24, 2023, 04:49:13 PM »
It certainly has. It's your issue if you refuse to try and understand it.
Repeating the same lie wont help you.
Again, if it has been answered, if it has been explained, it would be trivial for you to provide it.
But you don't. Instead you cling to this baseless claim that it has been so you can pretend it has without providing anything.
It certainly hasn't been explained or answered.

It is entirely your issue that you cannot explain your model to make it work to match reality.

Again, if you want to claim it has, provide it here, or provide a link to the post where you allegedly did.

They crush, not push from directly underneath. It's important to understand this in denpressure.
You don't crush from one side.
You crush from all around.
It crushes from above and below.

Crushing does not provide a force to move in any particular direction.

Crushing is simply pushing from multiple directions at once.
If it is crushing it is pushing.

You want to claim it isn't a push so you can pretend that means it shouldn't push the object up.

But why is it magically not a push?
At least until you need it to be a push to make an object go up?

We can even clearly demonstrate it is a push by placing a thin membrane on the bottom of an air-tight container, and removing some of the air so the pressure inside is lower.
The atmosphere pushes into the membrane to stretch it due to that pressure differential.
And this applies in all directions.
So yes, the object is being pushed from below.


I have but those with blinkers on will not see and those with excess ear wax will struggle to hear.
No, you haven't.
And those who want a coherent explanation recognise this.

We have the air around the object, pushing it (or crushing it) from all directions.
This includes from above and below.
Only, the push from below is greater than the push from above.
So this should push the object up.

Your only "explanation" is that it is more dense so it should go down.
You have not explain how being more dense results in it going down.
How this greater density should result in the push up from below magically not counting so the object falls.

What is even more problematic for your model is that density should be entirely irrelevant.
According to your model, the mass of the object is simply based upon how much air is displaced.
2 objects with the same mass must displace the same volume, regardless of "density".
The density of the actual matter making it up (so ignoring all the "air" in the "pores" of the object) a 1 kg block of steel, and a 1 kg block of balsa wood, and a 1 kg helium filled balloon should all displace the same volume of air and have the same density.
So all should go up or down the same regardless of if it is in water or air.
And as the pressure is greater below, they should all go up.

Again, can you explain how the low pressure air above the object overcomes the higher pressure air below to push the object down?

Once you understand you could never evacuate all pressure
That is not needed to be a vacuum.
Again, a vacuum does not need to be perfect to be a vacuum.

You just repeat this lie so you can pretend space needs to be a perfect vacuum so you can pretend it can't exist, so you can pretend (based upon more pure nonsense) that rockets can't work in space, so you can pretend we don't have photos of Earth from space, clearly showing it is round.

Again, any time you seen vacuum, just replace it in your mind with extremely low pressure.

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Mikey T.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2175 on: September 24, 2023, 06:00:57 PM »
I don't have to say much, you highlight your dishonesty quite well.  I just need to trigger you.  It's quite easy.  You aren't that smart and fall for it constantly. 
Good job.  I am happy.
Good for you.
It is you that should be congratulated for such a fine job of self discreditdation. 
The continued attempts to dodge with pure dishonesty is rather artistic.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2176 on: September 25, 2023, 12:40:38 AM »
Atmospheric displacement is responsible for your saggy balls, Sceptimatic?

It's responsible for everything.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Not the weights you used to hang from your schlong and ballbag when you were trying to make a porn career, hmm?
Are you projecting?


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Is it also responsible for you losing height as you enter the twilight years of your life?
Absolutely.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Is it also responsible for your jowels, turkey neck, and tuckshop lady arms?
Absolutely.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Come on! You give air too much credit. Next, you'll be telling us you're a breatharian.
I give atmospheric displacement by any dense mass matter minus the natural internal volume. Why? Because it's essential to all life and material.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
I'm starting to feel pressure in my head right now, replying to you - it's called a headache. Oh wait, no, that's from replying to  bulshitbeliefs.
Try paracetamol.



Quote from: Smoke Machine
Sceptimatic, you're re-writing physics, like for some sci-fi movie plot or tv series.
I could well be.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
"Life on Flat Earth"? Will that be the title?
No. Maybe global fiction replaced by alternate Earth potential.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Or will it be a serious documentary - "An air of flat earthery"?
Dissolved global minds.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
  Maybe the enterprise could visit your world in an episode of Star Trek - strange new worlds.
Unpin it from your ceiling and package it up.



Quote from: Smoke Machine
A very very strange new world in this case.
A global Earth is a very very strange world. A good fictional story that can incorporate all the Star Trek toys and whatnot that you amass.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2177 on: September 25, 2023, 12:41:21 AM »

If that's the case then you shouldn't be giving me one more second of your time, so why are you?
Try and ignore me. What's so difficult?

Because one simple question like what pressure and density is it impossible for oxygen to exist and only helium coupled with I never experienced such a pressure and density just proves den pressure delusion is wrong.
You don't even know what you're talking about so don't waste it trying to argue.


What pressure and density is it impossible where oxygen can’t exist and only helium.  And why doesn’t the helium breakdown to hydrogen?

Seems like you told a lie.  And den pressure delusion is the lie.
Seems like you're incapable of paying any attention.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2178 on: September 25, 2023, 12:43:10 AM »

You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.

Twist what?  You literally referred to negative pressure.

Negative scale reading. Minus.
I don't expect you to understand. I know your forum replies are based on copying and pasting from books without knowing what it is you are copying and pasting.


You seemed to ignored the rest of the post…


If I had a chamber at say 5 pounds of pressure absolute or something like 18” mg vacuum (which is about equal to the pressure on top of Mount Everest ) and opened it to atmosphere.  The atmosphere would rush into the chamber to equalize the pressure with atmosphere.  The difference in pressure potential will disappear.

So.  What force keeps air modules bunched up at sea level, and prevents them from rushing to the top of Mount Everest like the atmosphere rushes to the chamber at 5 psia when open to atmosphere?
When you decide to actually take notice and stop your idiotic stance then I'll be happy to oblige you. Failure to take anything in and just hit back with silliness will result in these replies because you're not worth much else.
The choice is yours.


You claim the lower pressure of the upper atmosphere can keep the greater pressure of the lower atmosphere from equalizing? Without gravity.

But a tank of lower pressure when open to atmosphere can’t keep the greater pressures out.

  If I take a pressurized tank grater than atmospheric pressure at 25,000 feet, the lower pressure can’t keep the pressure from escaping if the pressurized tank is open to atmosphere.

I can take a small tank filled with water open to atmosphere and connect an air line pressurized to 5 psi above atmosphere to the bottom of the tank.  And the air line will push the air into the water.  Despite the water’s greater density.  I’m actually doing something similar right now, bubbling my fish tank with an air stone.


Den pressure is stupid.
When you're ready to pay attention and stop acting like a  little brat I'll be more than happy to answer your questions.
In the meantime, you carry on as you are until its out of your system.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2179 on: September 25, 2023, 12:47:58 AM »


All your belief is entirely based on denial.

The real issue here you have no way of testing if a perfect vacuum can be produced, which it cant, not here on earth,
I've been trying to tell you for long enough.
All you have to do is to pay attention and stop getting all worked up.


Quote from: Timeisup
but its possible to come very close to it that can indeed mimic the hard vacuum of outer space.


You have no clue what you're saying.
What do you mean "mimic the hard vacuum."
What the hell is a hard vacuum?
And what is outer space?

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2180 on: September 25, 2023, 12:49:02 AM »
It certainly has. It's your issue if you refuse to try and understand it.
Repeating the same lie wont help you.

Repeating the same thing won't help you either.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2181 on: September 25, 2023, 12:50:10 AM »
I don't have to say much, you highlight your dishonesty quite well.  I just need to trigger you.  It's quite easy.  You aren't that smart and fall for it constantly. 
Good job.  I am happy.
Good for you.
It is you that should be congratulated for such a fine job of self discreditdation. 
The continued attempts to dodge with pure dishonesty is rather artistic.
And your inability to understand is mildly amusing.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2182 on: September 25, 2023, 01:36:36 AM »

You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.

Twist what?  You literally referred to negative pressure.

Negative scale reading. Minus.
I don't expect you to understand. I know your forum replies are based on copying and pasting from books without knowing what it is you are copying and pasting.


You seemed to ignored the rest of the post…


If I had a chamber at say 5 pounds of pressure absolute or something like 18” mg vacuum (which is about equal to the pressure on top of Mount Everest ) and opened it to atmosphere.  The atmosphere would rush into the chamber to equalize the pressure with atmosphere.  The difference in pressure potential will disappear.

So.  What force keeps air modules bunched up at sea level, and prevents them from rushing to the top of Mount Everest like the atmosphere rushes to the chamber at 5 psia when open to atmosphere?
When you decide to actually take notice and stop your idiotic stance then I'll be happy to oblige you. Failure to take anything in and just hit back with silliness will result in these replies because you're not worth much else.
The choice is yours.


You claim the lower pressure of the upper atmosphere can keep the greater pressure of the lower atmosphere from equalizing? Without gravity.

But a tank of lower pressure when open to atmosphere can’t keep the greater pressures out.

  If I take a pressurized tank grater than atmospheric pressure at 25,000 feet, the lower pressure can’t keep the pressure from escaping if the pressurized tank is open to atmosphere.

I can take a small tank filled with water open to atmosphere and connect an air line pressurized to 5 psi above atmosphere to the bottom of the tank.  And the air line will push the air into the water.  Despite the water’s greater density.  I’m actually doing something similar right now, bubbling my fish tank with an air stone.


Den pressure is stupid.
When you're ready to pay attention and stop acting like a  little brat I'll be more than happy to answer your questions.
In the meantime, you carry on as you are until its out of your system.

This is what your down to when asked questions that should have direct and specific answers. 

Whining like a little bitch?


How is it high pressure of the lower atmosphere can’t equalize with the lower pressure of the upper atmosphere.

Yet higher pressure of my air pump and air stone can push air into the bottom of my tank?

You claim no space between molecules.  Then why does the air bubble up from my air stone to dissolve small amounts of oxygen into the water so my fish can breathe? 


For den pressure delusional where the water should make one sheet of one mass. Why doesn’t the air from the air stone not overcome the less pressure above and just make a layer of air at the bottom of the tank.  Then lift the water out as a one mass.  If the water has no space, how does oxygen dissolve in the water so the fish can breathe?

The water isn’t breaking down. 

What drives the siphon effect so I can vacuum the gravel of my aquarium and lift water up and over the side of the aquarium and then down to a bucket? 


Quote

While the atmospheric pressure theory seems to make sense, some scientists noted that it requires the presence of air. When tested in a vacuum, a siphon still worked, so it seemed that some other force must also be at work.

More recently, scientists who have studied siphons have theorized that the key force is gravity. When liquid is sucked up the tube and over the hump, the force of gravity continues to pull the liquid through the tube. This theory relies upon liquid cohesion, which means a continuous chain of cohesive bonds must exist in the liquid.


https://wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-does-a-siphon-work



Look at that, siphons work in a vacuum. Works because of gravity.   (Hmm like a feather still falls in a vacuum, and falls faster?) And cohesive bonds, an attractive force.



Siphon in a Vacuum - Periodic Table of Videos
« Last Edit: September 25, 2023, 03:23:32 AM by DataOverFlow2022 »

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Smoke Machine

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2183 on: September 25, 2023, 03:38:57 AM »
Atmospheric displacement is responsible for your saggy balls, Sceptimatic?

It's responsible for everything.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Not the weights you used to hang from your schlong and ballbag when you were trying to make a porn career, hmm?
Are you projecting?


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Is it also responsible for you losing height as you enter the twilight years of your life?
Absolutely.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Is it also responsible for your jowels, turkey neck, and tuckshop lady arms?
Absolutely.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Come on! You give air too much credit. Next, you'll be telling us you're a breatharian.
I give atmospheric displacement by any dense mass matter minus the natural internal volume. Why? Because it's essential to all life and material.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
I'm starting to feel pressure in my head right now, replying to you - it's called a headache. Oh wait, no, that's from replying to  bulshitbeliefs.
Try paracetamol.



Quote from: Smoke Machine
Sceptimatic, you're re-writing physics, like for some sci-fi movie plot or tv series.
I could well be.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
"Life on Flat Earth"? Will that be the title?
No. Maybe global fiction replaced by alternate Earth potential.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Or will it be a serious documentary - "An air of flat earthery"?
Dissolved global minds.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
  Maybe the enterprise could visit your world in an episode of Star Trek - strange new worlds.
Unpin it from your ceiling and package it up.



Quote from: Smoke Machine
A very very strange new world in this case.
A global Earth is a very very strange world. A good fictional story that can incorporate all the Star Trek toys and whatnot that you amass.

Sceptimatic, I've enjoyed messing around with you and your gravity replacement. But, every now and again, I like to be slightly serious - like now.

This is going to be something for you ponder, regarding that denpressure model of yours and atmospheric displacement - and it's going to annoy you.

The force we are talking about, which I call gravity and you call denpressure - cannot be shielded. Try and absorb that for a second. There is no such thing as a gravity shield.

Yet, we shield ourselves from atmospheric air pressure all the time - like in the cabins of pressurised high altitude aeroplanes.

Are you starting to see yet another massive problem with your denpressure model working in reality?

Denpressure can be isolated and shielded, Sceptimatic. The force everybody else on this planet refers to as gravity, cannot be shielded.



For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2184 on: September 25, 2023, 04:18:36 AM »

You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.

Twist what?  You literally referred to negative pressure.

Negative scale reading. Minus.
I don't expect you to understand. I know your forum replies are based on copying and pasting from books without knowing what it is you are copying and pasting.


You seemed to ignored the rest of the post…


If I had a chamber at say 5 pounds of pressure absolute or something like 18” mg vacuum (which is about equal to the pressure on top of Mount Everest ) and opened it to atmosphere.  The atmosphere would rush into the chamber to equalize the pressure with atmosphere.  The difference in pressure potential will disappear.

So.  What force keeps air modules bunched up at sea level, and prevents them from rushing to the top of Mount Everest like the atmosphere rushes to the chamber at 5 psia when open to atmosphere?
When you decide to actually take notice and stop your idiotic stance then I'll be happy to oblige you. Failure to take anything in and just hit back with silliness will result in these replies because you're not worth much else.
The choice is yours.


You claim the lower pressure of the upper atmosphere can keep the greater pressure of the lower atmosphere from equalizing? Without gravity.

But a tank of lower pressure when open to atmosphere can’t keep the greater pressures out.

  If I take a pressurized tank grater than atmospheric pressure at 25,000 feet, the lower pressure can’t keep the pressure from escaping if the pressurized tank is open to atmosphere.

I can take a small tank filled with water open to atmosphere and connect an air line pressurized to 5 psi above atmosphere to the bottom of the tank.  And the air line will push the air into the water.  Despite the water’s greater density.  I’m actually doing something similar right now, bubbling my fish tank with an air stone.


Den pressure is stupid.
When you're ready to pay attention and stop acting like a  little brat I'll be more than happy to answer your questions.
In the meantime, you carry on as you are until its out of your system.

This is what your down to when asked questions that should have direct and specific answers. 

Whining like a little bitch?


How is it high pressure of the lower atmosphere can’t equalize with the lower pressure of the upper atmosphere.

Yet higher pressure of my air pump and air stone can push air into the bottom of my tank?

You claim no space between molecules.  Then why does the air bubble up from my air stone to dissolve small amounts of oxygen into the water so my fish can breathe? 


For den pressure delusional where the water should make one sheet of one mass. Why doesn’t the air from the air stone not overcome the less pressure above and just make a layer of air at the bottom of the tank.  Then lift the water out as a one mass.  If the water has no space, how does oxygen dissolve in the water so the fish can breathe?

The water isn’t breaking down. 

What drives the siphon effect so I can vacuum the gravel of my aquarium and lift water up and over the side of the aquarium and then down to a bucket? 


Quote

While the atmospheric pressure theory seems to make sense, some scientists noted that it requires the presence of air. When tested in a vacuum, a siphon still worked, so it seemed that some other force must also be at work.

More recently, scientists who have studied siphons have theorized that the key force is gravity. When liquid is sucked up the tube and over the hump, the force of gravity continues to pull the liquid through the tube. This theory relies upon liquid cohesion, which means a continuous chain of cohesive bonds must exist in the liquid.


https://wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-does-a-siphon-work



Look at that, siphons work in a vacuum. Works because of gravity.   (Hmm like a feather still falls in a vacuum, and falls faster?) And cohesive bonds, an attractive force.



Siphon in a Vacuum - Periodic Table of Videos

When you learn to control your anger and frustration let me know and we can get back to it.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2185 on: September 25, 2023, 04:26:43 AM »
Sceptimatic, I've enjoyed messing around with you and your gravity replacement. But, every now and again, I like to be slightly serious - like now.
I thought you were always messing. It just goes to show that words can't offer any real insight into the person behind them.


Quote from: Smoke Machine

This is going to be something for you ponder, regarding that denpressure model of yours and atmospheric displacement - and it's going to annoy you.

The force we are talking about, which I call gravity and you call denpressure - cannot be shielded. Try and absorb that for a second. There is no such thing as a gravity shield.

Yet, we shield ourselves from atmospheric air pressure all the time - like in the cabins of pressurised high altitude aeroplanes.

Are you starting to see yet another massive problem with your denpressure model working in reality?
I don't see any problem because denpressure cannot be shielded.
Try and understand it and you won't need to reply like this.

I'll try and make this clear once again.
Denpressure is any object displacing its own dense mass of atmosphere.
Now let me be even more clear.
That doesn't matter whether the object is directly in the atmosphere or placed in a container.
It always displaces its own dense mass structure of the atmosphere minus its own natural volume.


Let's see if you can understand this. Likely not but you never know.



Quote from: Smoke Machine

Denpressure can be isolated and shielded, Sceptimatic.
No it can't.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

 The force everybody else on this planet refers to as gravity, cannot be shielded.
There is no force of gravity. You have no clue what gravity is. You simply parrot what you're told without having a clue.

Denpressure is alive and kicking and has never been debunked and for good reason. Nobody dares to understand it.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2186 on: September 25, 2023, 04:27:06 AM »
When you learn to control your anger and frustration let me know and we can get back to it.

The point is you never answer anything. 


You supposedly learn from experience.  Is that false?

Then what experiment can I run at what pressure and density to show oxygen can’t exist in your delusion at those parameters and only helium. You claimed helium is a renewable resource, what experiment have you experienced that proves that? 

What have you experienced?

See you’re running away from siphon, cohesion, and vacuum when you yourself like to use the term negative pressure.

😂


Seems den pressure is the lie.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2187 on: September 25, 2023, 04:30:44 AM »

I don't see any problem because denpressure cannot be shielded.


Really?  From the person that uses the term negative pressure?

And yet.  As pointed out.  You can greatly pressurize a chamber, or evacuate a chamber of atmosphere until air resistance and pressure are negligible.  But as pressure decreases below atmospheric pressure, weight of objects increase.  How does that work?  Reduce the force of den pressure delusion that should drive things, and things weigh more and fall faster? 

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2188 on: September 25, 2023, 04:52:45 AM »
When you learn to control your anger and frustration let me know and we can get back to it.

The point is you never answer anything. 


You supposedly learn from experience.  Is that false?

Then what experiment can I run at what pressure and density to show oxygen can’t exist in your delusion at those parameters and only helium. You claimed helium is a renewable resource, what experiment have you experienced that proves that? 

What have you experienced?

See you’re running away from siphon, cohesion, and vacuum when you yourself like to use the term negative pressure.

😂


Seems den pressure is the lie.
If you want to pose one issue whilst trying your very best to stop acting like a brat then I'll answer.
If my answer does not suit you and you decide to go into another brat attack then you'll get the same treatment.
The choice is yours.


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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2189 on: September 25, 2023, 04:53:32 AM »

I don't see any problem because denpressure cannot be shielded.


Really?  From the person that uses the term negative pressure?

And yet.  As pointed out.  You can greatly pressurize a chamber, or evacuate a chamber of atmosphere until air resistance and pressure are negligible.  But as pressure decreases below atmospheric pressure, weight of objects increase.  How does that work?  Reduce the force of den pressure delusion that should drive things, and things weigh more and fall faster?
Don't try and argue something you refuse to understand.