Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2130 on: September 22, 2023, 01:44:12 AM »


Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist. In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.


And yet.  sceptimatic likes the term negative pressure?


It doesn't matter if you set it remotely or whatever, the scale will still have offered negative pressure upon it. Only you have zeroed it from what you would clearly see as negative.


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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2131 on: September 22, 2023, 04:53:27 AM »




Notice key words that are repeated but dont give DIRECTIONALITY.
Which was THE QUESTION.

After the dense mass of the bowling ball displaces the tennisballs.
The tennisbballs crush back.

For directionality to happen, the bowling ball must be crushed on one side MORE than the other.


What youre alluding is this:

Say bowling ball starts at the corner.
Along the foundation it is pushed.
Never goes up.
But a wall is a wall.
So tennis balls dont know rhe difference between a'sky' wall vs 'foundation' wall.
Tennis balls get crushed as the bowling ball pushes them forward.

No?

You're proving once again that you have no intention of trying to understand. This is why you're choosing your own answers to something you know nothing about and it's clear by how you go on.
Just back out and go and do something on another topic or stay on this but leave me out of it.


dodgy mcdodger doesn't want to answer the question he knows can't be answered by denpressure.
All answered.
You not grasping it is your issue, not mine.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2132 on: September 22, 2023, 05:05:35 AM »
You are asking people to believe you when you make statements of fact like you do all the time.
I make no statements of fact. You simply decide to take what I say as me offering it as fact.
The issue is yours, not mine.
And as I said before, I ask people to try and understand what I'm saying. I don't expect anyone to believe anything I say.

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Never, ever is it said as your opinion, even when called out.
Oh but it is. You and others like to ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda.


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  You definitely want people to believe you, it's quite obvious.
It's not obvious at all. You simply offering that is neither here nor there.


 
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Yep, there you go again, trying to claim I'm angry, in an attempt to discredit my words.
You come across as being irate and frustrated and it's all your own doing.
If you're sitting there all calm then good for you but that's not how you come across. You do seem angry.


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  Yes, don't deny that's what you are doing, you absolutely want to discredit what I say.
You say very little so discrediting you isn't an issue.
Mostly it's just angry ranting.


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  I've caught you in so many lies it isn't even very amusing anymore.
No, you haven't. By all means think what you want but don't expect me to frown over it and spoil my smile.


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  Queue you being insulting now.
I think you're projecting, massively.


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So, I have explained it to you like any 5 year old would understand, if you want me to stop calling your bullshit out, then add that your statements are your opinion, add "I think" to the beginning of all your statements like "molecules fill all the space, there is no empty spaces".
You have called nothing out and explained nothing so what are you talking about?


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And stop lying, point blank period full stop.
Lying about what?


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  Yes you acting like any questions are the person incapable or unwilling to understand is in fact lying.
I'm stating something that appears as though you and others don't have a clue about denpressure.
Too many angry replies that skirt around what I explain and the understanding is virtually nil.

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  But go ahead, cry about being picked on, throw your little hissy fit that noone believes.
I'm doing fine as I am. I'm smiling but maybe you would help yourself by actually having some real input instead of angry ranting and playing to a forum audience.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2133 on: September 22, 2023, 05:06:25 AM »

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2134 on: September 22, 2023, 05:07:18 AM »

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2135 on: September 22, 2023, 05:21:27 AM »
Only fools rush in, Sceptimatic.
This is what I've been trying to tell you.


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 I've thought way more deeply about your theory than it deserved. The outcome is always the same.
You have spent about 10 seconds thinking time on denpressure and that's why your outcome is always the same, because your mind is fully focused on the mainstream ideals.
It's absolutely clear you've taken no time to understand any of what I say, which is fine by me, I'm just letting you know.


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What opportunities and benefits have opened up to you in life through your flat earth fetish? Will you be a speaker at this weekend's flat earth conference in Las Vegas?
The opportunities I have in life are my business.


 
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Is denpressure your crowning glory contribution to the flat earth movement?
Denpressure is my thought and it's as simple as that.

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 You haven't even explained how you came uo with the name, "denpressure". I assume you see the world as a pressurised den, but I shouldn't assume, should I?

And here's you pretending you gave it too much of your time. If you had taken notice you would know what it stands for. I'm surprised your forum mates haven't helped you out.


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So, can I ask, and this is important, do you avoid watching tv shows and movies with outer space in the plotline?
Not at all. I watch a lot of fiction shows. They're good for a bit of entertainment.


 
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Sceptimatic, you and I, and everybody else, has never felt any atmospheric pressure pushing down on us and holding us to the Earth floor.
Oh but you have.
Your issue is in not wanting to admit it.
There's a reason why your ears start to hurt when you change altitude.
There's a reason why a window clamp stays on a window when you evacuate atmosphere from the clamp.
And so on and so on.
If you want to pretend it doesn't happen then no issue here.
If you want to pretend gravity causes it all then you go for it, but know you're parroting the story you accept as fact but absolutely know nothing about.



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I thought you only believed in things you can see, hear, and feel, first-hand.
I do but I can also accept things as being potentially true without actually believing them to be a full on fact. I can also be sceptical.
I'm not a purist like yourself and others.


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 Why are you believing something you can't detect with any of your senses - something you cant feel? 
Because I can detect it.


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It's a bit hypocritical, Sceptimatic, considering.
Not at all. It's only hypocritical to someone who hasn't a clue what they're actually talking about.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2136 on: September 22, 2023, 05:31:14 AM »
The problem for everyone apart from you is that ALL of your notions are in direct contradiction with reality!
In your mind they are because your reality is entirely based on following storylines without actual proof but accepted as truth based on who tells and sells the stories.

Your argument is entirely based on mass acceptance and your participation within those masses.


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How do you expect people to relate to ideas that are pure fiction being passed off as alleged facts.
I don't pass anything off as fact with denpressure. I state it often enough.
Once a person gets fixated on it they can't seem to see past that.
I can't help that, it's not my issue.

I could offer it back to you expecting me to relate to pure fiction by trying to pass it off as facts based entirely on parroting idols.


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Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist.
They don't. Lower pressure can be attained in many variations.
Vacuums? Not a chance.

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In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.
Chambers capable of evacuation of atmosphere, yes. Lowering pressure, yes.
Vacuums.....no.


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This is quite an easy thing to fact check for any one interested to do so.
Already have and there's no such thing as a vacuum.


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You however have no real interest in the truth so you just close your already closed iff mind and simply deny they exist.
I'm very interested in the truth. Not the ones you think are truths.


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You have no interest in debate or the truth and only care about the fiction you have created inside your own head. That is all people need to understand.
People can understand what they wish.
I know what I know and I think what I think.
You won't alter that by pretending you know facts.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2137 on: September 22, 2023, 05:32:55 AM »


Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist. In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.


And yet.  sceptimatic likes the term negative pressure?


It doesn't matter if you set it remotely or whatever, the scale will still have offered negative pressure upon it. Only you have zeroed it from what you would clearly see as negative.


😂😂😂😂
You obviously can't understand scale minus.
Never mind.  ;) ;D

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2138 on: September 22, 2023, 05:52:46 AM »


Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist. In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.


And yet.  sceptimatic likes the term negative pressure?


It doesn't matter if you set it remotely or whatever, the scale will still have offered negative pressure upon it. Only you have zeroed it from what you would clearly see as negative.


😂😂😂😂
You obviously can't understand scale minus.
Never mind.  ;) ;D


Look at you.  Lots of word salad that doesn’t explain anything asked of you.  And you got caught redhanded using a term synonymous with vacuum when referencing pressure as seen by the scale.

So your vacuum arguments are complete bullshit. 


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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2139 on: September 22, 2023, 07:00:54 AM »




Notice key words that are repeated but dont give DIRECTIONALITY.
Which was THE QUESTION.

After the dense mass of the bowling ball displaces the tennisballs.
The tennisbballs crush back.

For directionality to happen, the bowling ball must be crushed on one side MORE than the other.


What youre alluding is this:

Say bowling ball starts at the corner.
Along the foundation it is pushed.
Never goes up.
But a wall is a wall.
So tennis balls dont know rhe difference between a'sky' wall vs 'foundation' wall.
Tennis balls get crushed as the bowling ball pushes them forward.

No?

You're proving once again that you have no intention of trying to understand. This is why you're choosing your own answers to something you know nothing about and it's clear by how you go on.
Just back out and go and do something on another topic or stay on this but leave me out of it.


dodgy mcdodger doesn't want to answer the question he knows can't be answered by denpressure.
All answered.
You not grasping it is your issue, not mine.


Correct

Your answer is denP:    the tennis balls crush and push back on the bowling ball from highpressure pushing towards low pressure.

Then the sentient tennis balls defy their directional Sky wall push, and push the bowling ball towards the Foundation wall.




Thats the answer youve provided.

Which doesnt answer why the Foundation wall is so magical.





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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2140 on: September 22, 2023, 07:27:16 AM »


Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist. In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.


And yet.  sceptimatic likes the term negative pressure?


It doesn't matter if you set it remotely or whatever, the scale will still have offered negative pressure upon it. Only you have zeroed it from what you would clearly see as negative.


😂😂😂😂
You obviously can't understand scale minus.
Never mind.  ;) ;D


Look at you.  Lots of word salad that doesn’t explain anything asked of you.  And you got caught redhanded using a term synonymous with vacuum when referencing pressure as seen by the scale.

So your vacuum arguments are complete bullshit.
You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.
Just take a back seat, Mr. Parrot.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2141 on: September 22, 2023, 07:29:40 AM »




Notice key words that are repeated but dont give DIRECTIONALITY.
Which was THE QUESTION.

After the dense mass of the bowling ball displaces the tennisballs.
The tennisbballs crush back.

For directionality to happen, the bowling ball must be crushed on one side MORE than the other.


What youre alluding is this:

Say bowling ball starts at the corner.
Along the foundation it is pushed.
Never goes up.
But a wall is a wall.
So tennis balls dont know rhe difference between a'sky' wall vs 'foundation' wall.
Tennis balls get crushed as the bowling ball pushes them forward.

No?

You're proving once again that you have no intention of trying to understand. This is why you're choosing your own answers to something you know nothing about and it's clear by how you go on.
Just back out and go and do something on another topic or stay on this but leave me out of it.


dodgy mcdodger doesn't want to answer the question he knows can't be answered by denpressure.
All answered.
You not grasping it is your issue, not mine.


Correct

Your answer is denP:    the tennis balls crush and push back on the bowling ball from highpressure pushing towards low pressure.

Then the sentient tennis balls defy their directional Sky wall push, and push the bowling ball towards the Foundation wall.




Thats the answer youve provided.

Which doesnt answer why the Foundation wall is so magical.
When you get your head around the bowling ball's displacement of the atmosphere by its own entire dense mass minus its natural internal volume, let me know.
You simply can't grasp that and this is why you'll never grasp denpressure at all.

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Themightykabool

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2142 on: September 22, 2023, 10:04:12 AM »
"Dense displacement of internal volume"

Aka things are heavy so they fall.


Cool
So we can accept "heavy things fall"

But no where in that can be related to "air pushes things down" when by contrary we know that "air pushes thigs up due to pressure gradients".





So no
You still have not explained why air pushes things down.

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Mikey T.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2143 on: September 22, 2023, 10:34:09 AM »
You are asking people to believe you when you make statements of fact like you do all the time.
I make no statements of fact. You simply decide to take what I say as me offering it as fact.
The issue is yours, not mine.
And as I said before, I ask people to try and understand what I'm saying. I don't expect anyone to believe anything I say.

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Never, ever is it said as your opinion, even when called out.
Oh but it is. You and others like to ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda.


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  You definitely want people to believe you, it's quite obvious.
It's not obvious at all. You simply offering that is neither here nor there.


 
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Yep, there you go again, trying to claim I'm angry, in an attempt to discredit my words.
You come across as being irate and frustrated and it's all your own doing.
If you're sitting there all calm then good for you but that's not how you come across. You do seem angry.


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  Yes, don't deny that's what you are doing, you absolutely want to discredit what I say.
You say very little so discrediting you isn't an issue.
Mostly it's just angry ranting.


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  I've caught you in so many lies it isn't even very amusing anymore.
No, you haven't. By all means think what you want but don't expect me to frown over it and spoil my smile.


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  Queue you being insulting now.
I think you're projecting, massively.


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So, I have explained it to you like any 5 year old would understand, if you want me to stop calling your bullshit out, then add that your statements are your opinion, add "I think" to the beginning of all your statements like "molecules fill all the space, there is no empty spaces".
You have called nothing out and explained nothing so what are you talking about?


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And stop lying, point blank period full stop.
Lying about what?


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  Yes you acting like any questions are the person incapable or unwilling to understand is in fact lying.
I'm stating something that appears as though you and others don't have a clue about denpressure.
Too many angry replies that skirt around what I explain and the understanding is virtually nil.

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  But go ahead, cry about being picked on, throw your little hissy fit that noone believes.
I'm doing fine as I am. I'm smiling but maybe you would help yourself by actually having some real input instead of angry ranting and playing to a forum audience.
So much lying. 

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2144 on: September 22, 2023, 12:32:49 PM »

You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.

Twist what?  You literally referred to negative pressure.


It doesn't matter if you set it remotely or whatever, the scale will still have offered negative pressure upon it. Only you have zeroed it from what you would clearly see as negative.




But you get your panties in a wad if somebody uses the term vacuum to reference a pressure of say a bottle or chamber less than atmospheric pressure. 

Add.
Which is funny. 

If I had a chamber at say 5 pounds of pressure absolute or something like 18” mg vacuum (which is about equal to the pressure on top of Mount Everest ) and opened it to atmosphere.  The atmosphere would rush into the chamber to equalize the pressure with atmosphere.  The difference in pressure potential will disappear.

So.  What force keeps air modules bunched up at sea level, and prevents them from rushing to the top of Mount Everest like the atmosphere rushes to the chamber at 5 psia when open to atmosphere? 
« Last Edit: September 22, 2023, 12:42:04 PM by DataOverFlow2022 »

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JackBlack

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2145 on: September 22, 2023, 03:59:35 PM »
All answered.
You not grasping it is your issue, not mine.
No, it has not been answered.
Your inability to explain and justify your BS is YOUR issue, not ours.
Your inability to explain how low pressure above an object magically pushes down into the higher pressure air below is YOUR issue, not ours. (And so on for all the other questions you refuse to answer).

I make no statements of fact. You simply decide to take what I say as me offering it as fact.
Because you make bold claims, dismissing things as fiction and boldly asserting that things are a particular way; without any qualifier that it is just your delusional BS.
That is asserting it as a fact.

Why not be honest, admit publically that it is just your worthless opinion that gravity is fiction, and that the claim "gravity is fiction" is not a fact.
Then do the same for your claim that there is no such thing as a pull, or no such thing as free space, or no such thing as a vacuum.

I'm stating something that appears as though you and others don't have a clue about denpressure.
Yet you can't demonstrate how.
It appears your entire basis for saying we don't have a clue, is because we reject it as the delusional BS it is because it cannot explain reality.

I'll stay thanks.
And I will continue to object to your delusional BS.

You have spent about 10 seconds thinking time on denpressure and that's why your outcome is always the same, because your mind is fully focused on the mainstream ideals.
It's absolutely clear you've taken no time to understand any of what I say, which is fine by me, I'm just letting you know.
Again, you conflate understanding with mindllessly accepting your BS.
Given what we have said it is clear we have spent more than 10 second on your nonsense.
We aren't just telling you gravity makes things fall and Earth is round and you are wrong.
We recognise and understand what you are claiming, and have explained why it doesn't work.

Oh but you have.
No, we haven't.
With appropriate set ups we can easily measure it pushing in, and even upwards.
But the only time we feel it pushing down is when there is a wind pushing down. Never just the static atmosphere.

There's a reason why a window clamp stays on a window when you evacuate atmosphere from the clamp.
And notice how that works regardless of direction.
e.g. if you have the clamp above the window, the high pressure air below the glass pushes up, and for the clamp there is a region of effectively 0 pressure, meaning for that region you have the entire force of the atmosphere pushing up with only the weight due to gravity pulling it down.

We know how air pressure works, with high pressure pushing to low pressure. So if you have high pressure below and low pressure above, it gets pushed UP. Not down.

If you want to pretend gravity causes it all then you go for it
Why would we?
Unlike you, we aren't claiming gravity is magic which causes everything.
Conversely you want to claim the air is magic which causes everything.

but know you're parroting the story you accept as fact but absolutely know nothing about.
Again, just because we are saying the truth does not mean we are parroting or that we don't know anything about it.
Simple experiments clearly demonstrate that there is a downwards force proportional to mass which does NOT depend on the air.

In your mind they are because your reality is entirely based on following storylines without actual proof but accepted as truth based on who tells and sells the stories.
No, in reality they are. Based upon simple observations and experiments.
In reality, air pushes from high pressure to low pressure. But you claim the opposite, that the air is magically stacked and the low pressure air above pushes objects down overcoming the higher pressure air below.

I don't pass anything off as fact with denpressure. I state it often enough.
You don't state it often enough.
That would be qualifying all your assertions which you are not intending to present as fact as just your opinion.

They don't. Lower pressure can be attained in many variations.
i.e. vacuums can be attained in many variations.
Again, it doesn't need to be a perfect vacuum to be a vacuum.
That is your strawman to try to attack space by pretending it needs to be a perfect vacuum so it can't exist.

I'm very interested in the truth.
No you aren't.
If you were, you would have actually focused on all those simple questions you can't answer with denpressure, to realise denpressure is wrong and needs an extra force.
You would realise free space and attractive forces are part of nature due to the different phases of matter and how they change between them.

So no, you are not interested in the truth at all.

I know what I know and I think what I think.
So you know you are knowingly spouting fiction?
Otherwise, you do not know what you know. Instead you falsely believe you do.

When you get your head around the bowling ball's displacement of the atmosphere by its own entire dense mass minus its natural internal volume, let me know.
We fully understand this.
The bowling ball displaces the tennis balls, compressing them. This doesn't magically cause the tennis balls to push down.
When you get your head around that, let us know.
You simply can't grasp that and this is why you'll never grasp denpressure and reality at all.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2146 on: September 23, 2023, 12:43:46 AM »
The problem for everyone apart from you is that ALL of your notions are in direct contradiction with reality!
In your mind they are because your reality is entirely based on following storylines without actual proof but accepted as truth based on who tells and sells the stories.

Your argument is entirely based on mass acceptance and your participation within those masses.


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How do you expect people to relate to ideas that are pure fiction being passed off as alleged facts.
I don't pass anything off as fact with denpressure. I state it often enough.
Once a person gets fixated on it they can't seem to see past that.
I can't help that, it's not my issue.

I could offer it back to you expecting me to relate to pure fiction by trying to pass it off as facts based entirely on parroting idols.


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Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist.
They don't. Lower pressure can be attained in many variations.
Vacuums? Not a chance.

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In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.
Chambers capable of evacuation of atmosphere, yes. Lowering pressure, yes.
Vacuums.....no.


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This is quite an easy thing to fact check for any one interested to do so.
Already have and there's no such thing as a vacuum.


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You however have no real interest in the truth so you just close your already closed iff mind and simply deny they exist.
I'm very interested in the truth. Not the ones you think are truths.


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You have no interest in debate or the truth and only care about the fiction you have created inside your own head. That is all people need to understand.
People can understand what they wish.
I know what I know and I think what I think.
You won't alter that by pretending you know facts.

You now admit these vacuum chambers physically exist!

However you deny the function for which they were designed and built.  Namely to create hard vacuums.

This of course you deny despite the glaring fact that these chambers are used all over the world for producing the exact conditions that you continue to deny exist.

What you are in fact claiming is that all the companies who design and make these chambers and all the end users are somehow delusional! In reality all the delusion is with you.

And you expect people to engage with your ideas when they are all based on nothing more of a mad denial of reality.

How do you explain the undeniable fact that the very existence of the vacuum chambers, their design and manufacture and their daily use disproves all you claim at a stroke.

Yet you refuse to accept the reality of both their purpose and use. Check out reality:-

https://cadinox.com/en/sectors/science/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg460sZrAgQMV1uvtCh2BjQOGEAAYASABEgI_MfD_BwE

The only thing people need to know about what you claim is that it is all built on the denial of this reality.

You accept vacuum chambers physically exist but deny the use for which they are intended!

You have nothing without your denial as it’s the basis on which all your notions are built.

The real question that needs to be answered and understood is why you choose to deny reality?

"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Jack Black

Now that is a laugh!

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2147 on: September 23, 2023, 02:50:09 AM »
"Dense displacement of internal volume"
Surely this has to be deliberate by you.
You know fine well I didn't say that.
I hope it is deliberate.

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Aka things are heavy so they fall.
Cool
So we can accept "heavy things fall"
Of course we can but it's understanding why and it isn't fictional gravity.

You first have to understand how those heavy dense masses end up higher in order to fall and overcome below resistance.

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But no where in that can be related to "air pushes things down" when by contrary we know that "air pushes thigs up due to pressure gradients".

Nothing is pushed up unless there's an added force to the atmospheric displacement of the object.

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So no
You still have not explained why air pushes things down.
I have but it's perfectly clear you have no clue or intention of trying to understand it judging by your first quoted post in this reply.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2148 on: September 23, 2023, 02:50:48 AM »
You are asking people to believe you when you make statements of fact like you do all the time.
I make no statements of fact. You simply decide to take what I say as me offering it as fact.
The issue is yours, not mine.
And as I said before, I ask people to try and understand what I'm saying. I don't expect anyone to believe anything I say.

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Never, ever is it said as your opinion, even when called out.
Oh but it is. You and others like to ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda.


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  You definitely want people to believe you, it's quite obvious.
It's not obvious at all. You simply offering that is neither here nor there.


 
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Yep, there you go again, trying to claim I'm angry, in an attempt to discredit my words.
You come across as being irate and frustrated and it's all your own doing.
If you're sitting there all calm then good for you but that's not how you come across. You do seem angry.


Quote from: Mikey T.
  Yes, don't deny that's what you are doing, you absolutely want to discredit what I say.
You say very little so discrediting you isn't an issue.
Mostly it's just angry ranting.


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  I've caught you in so many lies it isn't even very amusing anymore.
No, you haven't. By all means think what you want but don't expect me to frown over it and spoil my smile.


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  Queue you being insulting now.
I think you're projecting, massively.


Quote from: Mikey T.
So, I have explained it to you like any 5 year old would understand, if you want me to stop calling your bullshit out, then add that your statements are your opinion, add "I think" to the beginning of all your statements like "molecules fill all the space, there is no empty spaces".
You have called nothing out and explained nothing so what are you talking about?


Quote from: Mikey T.
And stop lying, point blank period full stop.
Lying about what?


Quote from: Mikey T.
  Yes you acting like any questions are the person incapable or unwilling to understand is in fact lying.
I'm stating something that appears as though you and others don't have a clue about denpressure.
Too many angry replies that skirt around what I explain and the understanding is virtually nil.

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  But go ahead, cry about being picked on, throw your little hissy fit that noone believes.
I'm doing fine as I am. I'm smiling but maybe you would help yourself by actually having some real input instead of angry ranting and playing to a forum audience.
So much lying.
You have nothing much to say except angry ranting.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2149 on: September 23, 2023, 02:53:24 AM »

You try hard to twist just like your brother and you fail every time.

Twist what?  You literally referred to negative pressure.

Negative scale reading. Minus.
I don't expect you to understand. I know your forum replies are based on copying and pasting from books without knowing what it is you are copying and pasting.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2150 on: September 23, 2023, 02:58:11 AM »
All answered.
You not grasping it is your issue, not mine.
No, it has not been answered.

It has.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2151 on: September 23, 2023, 03:02:04 AM »
The problem for everyone apart from you is that ALL of your notions are in direct contradiction with reality!
In your mind they are because your reality is entirely based on following storylines without actual proof but accepted as truth based on who tells and sells the stories.

Your argument is entirely based on mass acceptance and your participation within those masses.


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How do you expect people to relate to ideas that are pure fiction being passed off as alleged facts.
I don't pass anything off as fact with denpressure. I state it often enough.
Once a person gets fixated on it they can't seem to see past that.
I can't help that, it's not my issue.

I could offer it back to you expecting me to relate to pure fiction by trying to pass it off as facts based entirely on parroting idols.


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Case in point, vacuums. You say they don’t exist.
They don't. Lower pressure can be attained in many variations.
Vacuums? Not a chance.

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In reality vacuum chambers are manufactured and used for many different processes all over the world.
Chambers capable of evacuation of atmosphere, yes. Lowering pressure, yes.
Vacuums.....no.


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This is quite an easy thing to fact check for any one interested to do so.
Already have and there's no such thing as a vacuum.


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You however have no real interest in the truth so you just close your already closed iff mind and simply deny they exist.
I'm very interested in the truth. Not the ones you think are truths.


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You have no interest in debate or the truth and only care about the fiction you have created inside your own head. That is all people need to understand.
People can understand what they wish.
I know what I know and I think what I think.
You won't alter that by pretending you know facts.

You now admit these vacuum chambers physically exist!

However you deny the function for which they were designed and built.  Namely to create hard vacuums.

This of course you deny despite the glaring fact that these chambers are used all over the world for producing the exact conditions that you continue to deny exist.

What you are in fact claiming is that all the companies who design and make these chambers and all the end users are somehow delusional! In reality all the delusion is with you.

And you expect people to engage with your ideas when they are all based on nothing more of a mad denial of reality.

How do you explain the undeniable fact that the very existence of the vacuum chambers, their design and manufacture and their daily use disproves all you claim at a stroke.

Yet you refuse to accept the reality of both their purpose and use. Check out reality:-

https://cadinox.com/en/sectors/science/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg460sZrAgQMV1uvtCh2BjQOGEAAYASABEgI_MfD_BwE

The only thing people need to know about what you claim is that it is all built on the denial of this reality.

You accept vacuum chambers physically exist but deny the use for which they are intended!

You have nothing without your denial as it’s the basis on which all your notions are built.

The real question that needs to be answered and understood is why you choose to deny reality?
You went through all this again hoping for a different answer.
The answers are still the same as previous.
Don't waste your time.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2152 on: September 23, 2023, 05:36:01 AM »

You went through all this again hoping for a different answer.
The answers are still the same as previous.
Don't waste your time.


You’re the one wasting people’s time with lies.  Supposedly you base your views off direct observation, but can’t come up with one experiment after 73 pages.  Just noting but your unsubstantiated opinions you try to  falsely assert as fact.


What is the supposed pressure and density where oxygen can’t exist, only helium.

Again.  I have ran processes that utilizes oxygen from pressures to vacuums.  It always stays oxygen no matter the pressure or density.

Den pressure is the lie.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2153 on: September 23, 2023, 05:36:35 AM »
Only fools rush in, Sceptimatic.
This is what I've been trying to tell you.


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 I've thought way more deeply about your theory than it deserved. The outcome is always the same.
You have spent about 10 seconds thinking time on denpressure and that's why your outcome is always the same, because your mind is fully focused on the mainstream ideals.
It's absolutely clear you've taken no time to understand any of what I say, which is fine by me, I'm just letting you know.


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What opportunities and benefits have opened up to you in life through your flat earth fetish? Will you be a speaker at this weekend's flat earth conference in Las Vegas?
The opportunities I have in life are my business.


 
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Is denpressure your crowning glory contribution to the flat earth movement?
Denpressure is my thought and it's as simple as that.

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 You haven't even explained how you came uo with the name, "denpressure". I assume you see the world as a pressurised den, but I shouldn't assume, should I?

And here's you pretending you gave it too much of your time. If you had taken notice you would know what it stands for. I'm surprised your forum mates haven't helped you out.


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So, can I ask, and this is important, do you avoid watching tv shows and movies with outer space in the plotline?
Not at all. I watch a lot of fiction shows. They're good for a bit of entertainment.


 
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Sceptimatic, you and I, and everybody else, has never felt any atmospheric pressure pushing down on us and holding us to the Earth floor.
Oh but you have.
Your issue is in not wanting to admit it.
There's a reason why your ears start to hurt when you change altitude.
There's a reason why a window clamp stays on a window when you evacuate atmosphere from the clamp.
And so on and so on.
If you want to pretend it doesn't happen then no issue here.
If you want to pretend gravity causes it all then you go for it, but know you're parroting the story you accept as fact but absolutely know nothing about.



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I thought you only believed in things you can see, hear, and feel, first-hand.
I do but I can also accept things as being potentially true without actually believing them to be a full on fact. I can also be sceptical.
I'm not a purist like yourself and others.


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 Why are you believing something you can't detect with any of your senses - something you cant feel? 
Because I can detect it.


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It's a bit hypocritical, Sceptimatic, considering.
Not at all. It's only hypocritical to someone who hasn't a clue what they're actually talking about.

Sceptimatic, this thread is devoted to YOUR theory - denpressure. The opportunities opened up to you in your life because of your denpressure model, is everybody in this thread's business. Nobody here is interested in your other opportunities in life - only those afforded you by your super genius denpressure model. A model, which coincidentally, no other flat earther on this entire forum seems to agree with.

If your theory is all about density pressure, why not call it density pressure instead of denpressure? Even densepressure is more accurate.

I know about air pressure changes felt in my ears, Sceptimatic. What I also know, is I've never felt any air pressure from the atmosphere pushing down on the top of my head, or the top of my shoulders when I'm walking around or standing upright. I breathe the air and I don't get pushed down by it.

So you say you can detect denpressure on your body, Sceptimatic? Please tell me on which part of your body you feel denpressure pushing you down to the Earth? (If you were thinking of saying your pecker and ball sack, no, that's old age and gravity respectively)

Myself and all the other people in this thread, are humans just like you, and none of us have ever felt denpressure pushing down on us. No sore tops of our heads, no soreness on the tops of our shoulders from air pressure crushing down on us.

Would you like to enlighten us all, how you detect denpressure first-hand, pushing you down to Earth, Sceptimatic, while everybody else, can't?

Excuse the pun, but, no pressure....  ;)
« Last Edit: September 23, 2023, 05:40:20 AM by Smoke Machine »
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2154 on: September 23, 2023, 07:16:59 AM »
You are asking people to believe you when you make statements of fact like you do all the time.
I make no statements of fact. You simply decide to take what I say as me offering it as fact.
The issue is yours, not mine.
And as I said before, I ask people to try and understand what I'm saying. I don't expect anyone to believe anything I say.

Quote from: Mikey T.
Never, ever is it said as your opinion, even when called out.
Oh but it is. You and others like to ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda.


Quote from: Mikey T.
  You definitely want people to believe you, it's quite obvious.
It's not obvious at all. You simply offering that is neither here nor there.


 
Quote from: Mikey T.
Yep, there you go again, trying to claim I'm angry, in an attempt to discredit my words.
You come across as being irate and frustrated and it's all your own doing.
If you're sitting there all calm then good for you but that's not how you come across. You do seem angry.


Quote from: Mikey T.
  Yes, don't deny that's what you are doing, you absolutely want to discredit what I say.
You say very little so discrediting you isn't an issue.
Mostly it's just angry ranting.


Quote from: Mikey T.
  I've caught you in so many lies it isn't even very amusing anymore.
No, you haven't. By all means think what you want but don't expect me to frown over it and spoil my smile.


Quote from: Mikey T.
  Queue you being insulting now.
I think you're projecting, massively.


Quote from: Mikey T.
So, I have explained it to you like any 5 year old would understand, if you want me to stop calling your bullshit out, then add that your statements are your opinion, add "I think" to the beginning of all your statements like "molecules fill all the space, there is no empty spaces".
You have called nothing out and explained nothing so what are you talking about?


Quote from: Mikey T.
And stop lying, point blank period full stop.
Lying about what?


Quote from: Mikey T.
  Yes you acting like any questions are the person incapable or unwilling to understand is in fact lying.
I'm stating something that appears as though you and others don't have a clue about denpressure.
Too many angry replies that skirt around what I explain and the understanding is virtually nil.

Quote from: Mikey T.
  But go ahead, cry about being picked on, throw your little hissy fit that noone believes.
I'm doing fine as I am. I'm smiling but maybe you would help yourself by actually having some real input instead of angry ranting and playing to a forum audience.
So much lying.
You have nothing much to say except angry ranting.
I don't have to say much, you highlight your dishonesty quite well.  I just need to trigger you.  It's quite easy.  You aren't that smart and fall for it constantly. 
Good job.  I am happy.

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Themightykabool

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2155 on: September 23, 2023, 07:24:03 AM »
"Dense displacement of internal volume"
Surely this has to be deliberate by you.
You know fine well I didn't say that.
I hope it is deliberate.


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Aka things are heavy so they fall.
Cool
So we can accept "heavy things fall"
Of course we can but it's understanding why and it isn't fictional gravity.

You first have to understand how those heavy dense masses end up higher in order to fall and overcome below resistance.

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But no where in that can be related to "air pushes things down" when by contrary we know that "air pushes thigs up due to pressure gradients".

Nothing is pushed up unless there's an added force to the atmospheric displacement of the object.

Quote from: Themightykabool
So no
You still have not explained why air pushes things down.
I have but it's perfectly clear you have no clue or intention of trying to understand it judging by your first quoted post in this reply.




Deliberate?



The bowling ball's entire dense mass, minus it's natural volume is displacing that amount of atmosphere and that amount of atmosphere is trying to decompress back against that bowling ball.




Feel free to clarify your word salad.







"It takes energy to lift something"


Correct
But youve in no way shown that energy is resisted by air to push it back down.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2023, 07:29:03 AM by Themightykabool »

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2156 on: September 23, 2023, 09:25:25 AM »

You went through all this again hoping for a different answer.
The answers are still the same as previous.
Don't waste your time.


You’re the one wasting people’s time with lies.
If that's the case then you shouldn't be giving me one more second of your time, so why are you?
Try and ignore me. What's so difficult?

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2157 on: September 23, 2023, 10:01:36 AM »
Sceptimatic, this thread is devoted to YOUR theory - denpressure.
Yes it is and anyone partaking should at least try and understand it.
Most just want to argue and try and ridicule then whine when they don't get the required bites.




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The opportunities opened up to you in your life because of your denpressure model, is everybody in this thread's business.
If you make it your business then try and understand it. Nobody's asking you to agree with it or accept it in any way shape or form but at the very least take some time to understand some of it to get to a better understanding of more.
If not then carry on trying to just argue about nothing. I have no issue with the whining and stuff by whoever tries to just come in to argue and end up frustrated.
If you make me and denpressure your business then don;t waste your efforts dismissing it without knowing what it is you're dismissing.
It's a case of being too scared to look at it for fear of appearing to put your accepted, on-the-platter global storylines on the backburner, leaving the hyenas to come for the potential pickings.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Nobody here is interested in your other opportunities in life - only those afforded you by your super genius denpressure model. A model, which coincidentally, no other flat earther on this entire forum seems to agree with.

This isn't about otehr flat Earth theorists. It's about anyone who wants to try and take me on. If they try then at least know what it is they're trying to argue against.
None of you and the usual suspects have a clue.

 
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If your theory is all about density pressure, why not call it density pressure instead of denpressure? Even densepressure is more accurate.

Because it's denpressure and seeing as you pay no attention it's the dense mass displacement of atmosphere creating a pressure....denpressure.
You can call it whatever you wish but it's denpressure to me.

Quote from: Smoke Machine
I know about air pressure changes felt in my ears, Sceptimatic.
Then try and understand why you feel it and take some time to get your head around it.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
What I also know, is I've never felt any air pressure from the atmosphere pushing down on the top of my head, or the top of my shoulders when I'm walking around or standing upright. I breathe the air and I don't get pushed down by it.
The atmosphere is crushing you back by your entire body's dense mass displacement of it.
Have a good think about it, it may help you understand.
MAYBE.


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So you say you can detect denpressure on your body, Sceptimatic?
We all can, we just don't pay much attention to correlating it.
We do pay attention to it when we are immersed in water, which is just a denser mass being displaced.

Quote from: Smoke Machine
Please tell me on which part of your body you feel denpressure pushing you down to the Earth?
All over if you pay attention.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
(If you were thinking of saying your pecker and ball sack, no, that's old age and gravity atmospheric displacement respectively)
I wish but unfortunately mine are like cheap label peas with a tiny snapped matchstick stuck to them.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
Myself and all the other people in this thread, are humans just like you, and none of us have ever felt denpressure pushing down on us.
You feel pressure and so does everyone else. What you accept it as is entirely up to you and all the others you claim to know the minds of.


Quote from: Smoke Machine
No sore tops of our heads, no soreness on the tops of our shoulders from air pressure crushing down on us.
Your dense body sees to that but it's all about understanding it.
Have you ever wondered how certain fish stand the pressures of deeper and deeper oceans?
Put your mind to work.


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Would you like to enlighten us all, how you detect denpressure first-hand, pushing you down to Earth, Sceptimatic, while everybody else, can't?

I'm afraid you'll have to try and figure it out because that's what it'll take. It requires you to put your thinking cap on.


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Excuse the pun, but, no pressure....  ;)
Excuse the pun but it's always pressure. There's no escaping it.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2158 on: September 23, 2023, 10:02:44 AM »
I don't have to say much, you highlight your dishonesty quite well.  I just need to trigger you.  It's quite easy.  You aren't that smart and fall for it constantly. 
Good job.  I am happy.
Good for you.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #2159 on: September 23, 2023, 10:03:56 AM »
"Dense displacement of internal volume"
Surely this has to be deliberate by you.
You know fine well I didn't say that.
I hope it is deliberate.


Quote from: Themightykabool
Aka things are heavy so they fall.
Cool
So we can accept "heavy things fall"
Of course we can but it's understanding why and it isn't fictional gravity.

You first have to understand how those heavy dense masses end up higher in order to fall and overcome below resistance.

Quote from: Themightykabool
But no where in that can be related to "air pushes things down" when by contrary we know that "air pushes thigs up due to pressure gradients".

Nothing is pushed up unless there's an added force to the atmospheric displacement of the object.

Quote from: Themightykabool
So no
You still have not explained why air pushes things down.
I have but it's perfectly clear you have no clue or intention of trying to understand it judging by your first quoted post in this reply.




Deliberate?



The bowling ball's entire dense mass, minus it's natural volume is displacing that amount of atmosphere and that amount of atmosphere is trying to decompress back against that bowling ball.




Feel free to clarify your word salad.







"It takes energy to lift something"


Correct
But youve in no way shown that energy is resisted by air to push it back down.
I have but you somehow can't understand atmospheric displacement yet you can understand it when it comes to water.
I find that strange.