Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1470 on: July 15, 2023, 08:40:56 AM »
Masks are more effective on preventing RELEASE, catching it at the face of the infectious.
50% people didnt wear masks.
Xyz% peiole wore on their chins or wore tshirt fabric.

Without considering that, despite a mask policy, covid still spread.

Conclusion:

"Masks didnt work".




Oh gee.


I never had covid.  So what would a forcing me to wear a mask have done.  And yes I didn’t wear a mask when possible. And I was maskless around people with covid.


And it’s call personal protective equipment for a reason.  I can control how effectively I wear PPE.  I can’t control other people, nor how well the use masks.  And what quality of masks they wear. 


Bottom line.  If you’re sick.  Stay home.   More effort / resources should have went to the truly immune compromised. Not mass senseless mandates. 
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1471 on: July 15, 2023, 10:49:53 AM »
Bottom line

I changed my original post from 'sick" to "contageuos" because you can be contageuous and not sick.

You are wrong.

And same problem with masks and stay home - people went to work or partues.
People dodnt believe covid was real.
Etcetc

So lets swap mask for quaratine

Quarantine for 10days if contacted, not sick, theres a difference.
So 50% population didnt do the thing.
Xyz% did the thing wrong.
Abc% were considered vital workers like amazom and grocery stores which had low wagers given shitass shifts amd protective gear by big corp.

Without considering that, despite quaratine measures, covid still spread.

Conclusion:

Covid mitigation measures didnt work



Oh gee.
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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1472 on: July 15, 2023, 11:55:06 AM »

You are wrong.


On masks? No matter the “purpose“.  I go with my gut and experience,  if the mask doesn’t have a solid lip for a seal it’s worthless. 

Sorry.  I’ve been in too many situations where my health was dependent on a good mask worn correctly. 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1473 on: July 15, 2023, 12:28:20 PM »
"All it takes for BS to triumph, is for intelligent people to say nothing".

That sums you up, Jack Black. Right there in that one sentence you typed. That's your motto, your signature, and your motivation.

However, that sentence you typed, is a load of BS. Since when has BS ever triumphed, and saying lots, the way of the intelligent man?

Is hitting your head against a brick wall, intelligent? Is trying to turn water into wine, intelligent? Is trying to get Sceptimatic to concede defeat in any flat earth debate, intelligent? I would argue that an intelligent person would say nothing, and 50 pages of not saying nothing is - unintelligent.

Back to the former, the difference between BS and evil, is BS never ever triumphs in the end. BS always ends up losing. BS always has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. But is it intelligent to pick out and identify every single hole, just to know it's a block of Swiss cheese?

Are you seriously worried flat earth is getting a firmer footprint in the world? Flat Earthers are just obsessed about the world having a rim. It reminds them of their favourite pastime - rimming.
If BS never triumphs then either you or I haven't been paying close enough attention.
But we did actually elect Trump once, so there's that.  We also went crazy over wearing a mask when it did nothing.  We had groups of people follow their political leaders in first denouncing a vaccine then preaching that it was the ultimate cure and anyone who disagrees with them is evil, no matter where on that timeline you pick. 
But hey, sure BS never prevails, human beings aren't inherently stupid, and there are no gulible people who believe someone who factually state things that are unproven.  Yep no group of morons stormed a capital building thinking an election was stolen.  No group of morons tried burning down courthouses because they were taking advantage of some very bad things that happened to a few black men.  I guess those were not based/fueled/triggered from BS that wasn't challenged enough. 
No, a belief in FE isn't likely going to incite violence, but most religions don't start out intending on inciting violence either and see where that has led thus far.

Trump was a great president or a lousy one, depending on your political views. If he was a great president, then all those lazy American fools who couldn't be bothered voting, had a solid win.

You say mask wearing did nothing, yet I experimented with wearing masks around heaps of covid 19 infected people, and I never caught it. I also experimented wearing masks around people with influenza and I never caught that. I did catch covid-19 when i wasnt wearing a mask around covid-19 infected people. So from my perspective, masks were a godsend and worked extremely well.

Likewise, I'm an advocate of the covid vaccine, and believe many millions of people were saved thanks to the vaccine. If you follow science, you would know the mrna vaccine for covid has paved the way for the cure of many other viruses that affect millions of people. So, so far, I disagree with everything you've written, no example of BS prevailing so far.

Yep, a bunch of morons did storm the capital building and enacted violence. Did their BS triumph - they were all identified and arrested, so no. Did the morons who tried burning down a few courthouses triumph? Nope - arrested.

All instances fuelled by BS where BS lost in the end.

FE is like living off the grid in your mind. Your view of the world is no longer being powered by science and authority. How can that possibly triumph? 

Denpressure is simply air pressure. You can create a vacuum chamber in your own lounge room with transparent walls, which is simply a chamber devoid of all denpressure. No air molecules in the chamber.

You can then test if objects still fall in that chamber, which they do. You can then test if they fall faster in the vacuum chamber than in normal air pressure, (I mean denpressure) which they will, thus proving air provides resistance to whatever force makes the objects fall and air doesn't make objects fall.

Every person in this thread could do this experiment, including Sceptimatic. What other experiment is needed?

Take away the denpressure/air pressure, and objects still fall. Has denpressure triumphed over gravity? Only if you're a flat earther who's mind is unplugged from the grid and wants to keep their flat earth mindset alive.

I don't know what's worse - flat earthers who love the idea of the world having a rim, reminding them of their favourite passtime, or flat earthers who love the idea of the Earth as a cell, reminding them of the homemade sex dungeon cells in the dingy basement under their house.
Read what I said again and try, to put your emotions aside for 2 seconds.
Did I make a claim about the vaccine?  no.  Did the most recent medical findings say that mask wearing had no real effect on the spread of Covid, yeah.  Did I say I wasn't one of the people dutifully wearing my mask when told to? No.  Trump was a master at the art of slinging BS and I'm pretty sure that it was a big reason he got elected. 
Just because some got arrested doesn't mean they were not negatively influenced by some BS slinging asshat and they believed it enough to go and act terribly.
Seriously, you must be delusional if you think BS always loses. 
But you won't admit anything that disagrees your feelings that Jack must be wrong right, you mainly want to troll Jack.  There was another person who was emotionally unbalanced around Jack once upon a time... oh yeah you jumped on board with him too right, almost like... an alt would.  Listen, Jack is an asshole, Jack says things that piss me off too, but IU don't go out of my way to whine and cry and continually fail to try to get him in various gotchas.  But you do you.

There were no emotions whatsoever in my last post. You said we went crazy over wearing a mask when it did nothing, and I pointed out you were wrong.

I said BS never triumphs. BS has a few hoorahs. Some people get influenced and get conned, but where does it go? BS might win a few battles but never the war.

The only person bitching and crying is you, like a whimpering child who can't find it's dummy. I lost one argument with jackblack where i admitted i was wrong, and that isn't continual failure. That's a one-off. Jackblack however can't admit when he's wrong. He has to continually be the smartest guy in the room even in a flat earth debate. If I have a rivalry with JackBlack, so what?

Address my other points in my post or slink back into your wormhole.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1474 on: July 15, 2023, 03:15:57 PM »
Personal Protective Equipment doesn’t remove the hazard.  It only helps mintages risk.
Especially if you don’t understand PPE doesn’t remove risk, and gives the wearer a false sense of security.
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Not all “masks” are made equal.
I go with my gut and experience,  if the mask doesn’t have a solid lip for a seal it’s worthless. 

You are basically arguing with yourself here.
Yes, not all masks are equal.
But as stated, PPE doesn't just magically remove the risk.
Different PPE has different effectiveness as reducing the risk.
That means even a poor mask will reduce the risk, just not as much as others.

It is about weighing how significant is the risk, the consequences of that risk, how expensive are the alternatives, and so on.

Are you really saying that if your choice was a surgical mask or no mask, you would pick no mask as it is no less effective?

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1475 on: July 15, 2023, 04:26:51 PM »

Are you really saying that if your choice was a surgical mask or no mask, you would pick no mask as it is no less effective?

I think what is being glossed over is the ridiculousness of the expectations and social signaling of masks.

Again.  By two blood tests I never had covid.  I didn’t participate in vaccinations.  I went without wearing a mask whenever possible. I was around people that had covid.  I didn’t hide during covid.

 What was accomplished by forcing me to wear a mask? 

In stores people wore their masks down to their chins, constantly adjusting them, removing them to talk. Where one good sneeze or wet cough would loaded a mask with moisture.

  What did false innuendo concerning that masks made of T-shirts were a protection actually accomplished.

I’m sorry it’s a little crass.  Condoms can be an example of effectivenesses.  An imaginary condom might be 30% effective at stoping thousands of individual sperms. (I think most surgical masks are supposed to be 30 percent effective.) And you can say that is better than “nothing”, but what does that translate to actual mitigation of pregnancies.  I would say nothing effective at stoping actual pregnancies.  I think the same of cheap surgical masks.  Or the ones made out of t-shirts.

I’m referring to BS like this..

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Everything you need to know about making your own face mask
Even if you’re not crafty at all.
By Alanna Okun on April 6, 2020 11:22 am

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-goods/2020/4/1/21203241/coronavirus-diy-face-mask-homemade-tutorials

There are official guidelines from the CDC on what qualities homemade masks should have, such as including multiple layers of snug-fitting fabric and holding up to machine washing. It also suggests what types of fabric to seek out: “tightly woven cotton, such as quilting fabric or cotton sheets. T-shirt fabric will work in a pinch.”


I guess the back story is the ridiculousness of of “we must do something”.  It’s like the submarine captain in a time of war telling his crew he let the Pentagon know he was willing to fight the war on terrorism.  The reality was the sub was in the shipyard with large holes still in the hull for shipyard work and an untested reactor core. 

So over the attitude of “well it’s better than nothing.” “Or we have to do something” to signal we are on the “team”.  How about a little common sense. 



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Smoke Machine

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1476 on: July 15, 2023, 04:34:15 PM »

You are wrong.


On masks? No matter the “purpose“.  I go with my gut and experience,  if the mask doesn’t have a solid lip for a seal it’s worthless. 

Sorry.  I’ve been in too many situations where my health was dependent on a good mask worn correctly.

It's not worthless at all. You seem to be confusing mask wearing around dangerous chemicals in your line of work, to mask wearing around people with covid-19 or the common cold or flu.

Big difference.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1477 on: July 15, 2023, 04:38:39 PM »

You are wrong.


On masks? No matter the “purpose“.  I go with my gut and experience,  if the mask doesn’t have a solid lip for a seal it’s worthless. 

Sorry.  I’ve been in too many situations where my health was dependent on a good mask worn correctly.

It's not worthless at all. You seem to be confusing mask wearing around dangerous chemicals in your line of work, to mask wearing around people with covid-19 or the common cold or flu.

Big difference.

Then why mask mandates at all? 

Why would it be different than protecting life from a dropped biological weapon for personnel in a hot spot?  Are you posting covid wasn’t a battle of life and death for some? 

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1478 on: July 15, 2023, 05:10:00 PM »
Shrugs

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Biden warns of winter of 'severe illness and death' for unvaccinated due to Omicron
By Allie Malloy and Maegan Vazquez, CNN
Updated 6:30 PM EST, Thu December 16, 2021

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/16/politics/joe-biden-warning-winter/index.html



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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1479 on: July 15, 2023, 06:42:21 PM »
I think what is being glossed over is the ridiculousness of the expectations and social signaling of masks.

Again.  By two blood tests I never had covid.  I didn’t participate in vaccinations.  I went without wearing a mask whenever possible. I was around people that had covid.  I didn’t hide during covid.

 What was accomplished by forcing me to wear a mask? 

In stores people wore their masks down to their chins, constantly adjusting them, removing them to talk. Where one good sneeze or wet cough would loaded a mask with moisture.

  What did false innuendo concerning that masks made of T-shirts were a protection actually accomplished.

I’m sorry it’s a little crass.  Condoms can be an example of effectivenesses.  An imaginary condom might be 30% effective at stoping thousands of individual sperms. (I think most surgical masks are supposed to be 30 percent effective.) And you can say that is better than “nothing”, but what does that translate to actual mitigation of pregnancies.  I would say nothing effective at stoping actual pregnancies.  I think the same of cheap surgical masks.  Or the ones made out of t-shirts.

I’m referring to BS like this..

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Everything you need to know about making your own face mask
Even if you’re not crafty at all.
By Alanna Okun on April 6, 2020 11:22 am

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-goods/2020/4/1/21203241/coronavirus-diy-face-mask-homemade-tutorials

There are official guidelines from the CDC on what qualities homemade masks should have, such as including multiple layers of snug-fitting fabric and holding up to machine washing. It also suggests what types of fabric to seek out: “tightly woven cotton, such as quilting fabric or cotton sheets. T-shirt fabric will work in a pinch.”


I guess the back story is the ridiculousness of of “we must do something”.  It’s like the submarine captain in a time of war telling his crew he let the Pentagon know he was willing to fight the war on terrorism.  The reality was the sub was in the shipyard with large holes still in the hull for shipyard work and an untested reactor core. 

So over the attitude of “well it’s better than nothing.” “Or we have to do something” to signal we are on the “team”.  How about a little common sense.
So what would have happened if no one bothered to use masks or have a vaccine and so on?
How many more people would be dead?

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Themightykabool

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1480 on: July 15, 2023, 07:08:13 PM »

You are wrong.


On masks? No matter the “purpose“.  I go with my gut and experience,  if the mask doesn’t have a solid lip for a seal it’s worthless. 

Sorry.  I’ve been in too many situations where my health was dependent on a good mask worn correctly.

It's not worthless at all. You seem to be confusing mask wearing around dangerous chemicals in your line of work, to mask wearing around people with covid-19 or the common cold or flu.

Big difference.

Then why mask mandates at all? 

Why would it be different than protecting life from a dropped biological weapon for personnel in a hot spot?  Are you posting covid wasn’t a battle of life and death for some?


Why where a mask?
Because people that didnt have your luck of an immune system suffered.

Because hospitals at their best had icu capacities for 25-35 per 100,000.

You are wrong.

You are wrong in your assertion only the sick require masks.

Contageious is different from sick/ symptomatic.

Generic wearing of masks in oublic settings (vs at work for 10hrs in the same space as other).

Thats why you are wrong.
Be less wrong.

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Themightykabool

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1481 on: July 15, 2023, 07:09:43 PM »
Shrugs

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Biden warns of winter of 'severe illness and death' for unvaccinated due to Omicron
By Allie Malloy and Maegan Vazquez, CNN
Updated 6:30 PM EST, Thu December 16, 2021

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/16/politics/joe-biden-warning-winter/index.html

By your logic we should never have banned hfc to close the ozone.

Becaus ethe "problem" sorted itself out.

Some how....


Oh gee

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1482 on: July 16, 2023, 01:18:35 AM »

Because it's not quite as broken down at the foundation.

Where in your delusion does helium come from.  And it doesn’t make a skin.  It’s either solid, liquid, gas, or plasma.

Helium like anything else comes from Earth decay or Earth breakdown by applied pressure based on the energy applied.
Ice over water is skin.
Anything that forms a layer can be skin. If your mind is on animal skin or human skin or whatever then its no wonder you're struggling.


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Again.  I can take a bottle of nitrogen, flow it into a chamber with pressure less than atmospheric pressure, then the suction of a positive displacement pump will draw the nitrogen in, the pump will press it back up to pressure to flow into a second gas bottle.
You're offering energy to alter the pressure. You're offering nothing against denpressure.


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The nitrogen doesn’t “break” down.  It stays nitrogen through the whole process.
Everything can be broken down depending on the pressures applied or the pressure being allowed to dissipate either naturally or by force.

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You can react nitrogen with hydrogen and make ammonia.
You can reach a lot of stuff with a lot of stuff based on attachments of molecules by pressures applied.
You can also detach a lot.

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You can actually store more hydrogens per volume as ammonia vs liquid hydrogen. 
Anything denser than another can store much more molecules.
This is the reason we have so many variations of elements and in whatever forms depending on pressures.

You're not offering anything against denpressure, you're just bringing up stuff you think makes you look smart.
Regurgitation makes you look robotic, not smart.
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You can start knocking off protons and neutrons to make smaller radioactive atoms.
Knocking off?


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You claim helium is “renewable”.  Explain how I can make helium in den pressure delusion from air composed of O2, N2, CO2, and argon.
Breaking down.


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Your delusion has nothing to do with reality.
Yours certainly does not.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1483 on: July 16, 2023, 01:22:19 AM »

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I can observe electron flow.

You can observe a spark.

A “spark” is from something mechanical.  Like flint hitting steel.
A spark or an arc. Take your pick.


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This picture is from the flow of electrons across the gap of an igniter.
It's a spark or an arc and that's all you know.

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Similar to a spark plug.
Weirdly you offer a spark plug yet argue against a spark.
Make your mind up.


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It doesn’t require oxygen to make the arc.
It requires atmosphere in whatever variation it works under.

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 Like as in how vacuum tubes work.
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No such thing as a vacuum tube.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1484 on: July 16, 2023, 01:26:08 AM »


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I can use by telescope to see the moon is a three dimensional object.

Can you see yourself in a mirror?
What dimension are you?


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I can see the moon is a solid object by the way it blocks distant objects behind it from view as it travels the night sky. 
You believe it is because you bought into your moon being a big rock that men supposedly landed on. Nothing more than that.

The mirror image appears flat.  I can see the shadowing as the light changes overtime on the moon’s 3D surface.  Coupled with when I watch solar eclipses the moon literally blocks the light and radiation from the sun.  So there is a darkness and noticeable cooling during a solar eclipse.

What dimension are you standing looking at a mirror and what dimension are you in your mirror reflection?


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What are you.  Like stupid? 
Are you asking me or telling me?



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Anyway.  Then there are radar surveys of the moon.  And HAM radio operators can bounce radio waves off the moon.  (And not the skin of your dome hmmm).  Items you cannot prove they are false in any way.
No they can't.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1485 on: July 16, 2023, 01:41:01 AM »

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I can observe that atmosphere doesn’t “push” things down.
No you can't.

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  But things are pulled through the atmosphere downward by the swirling wake it leaves from drag.


You don't even know what you're saying with this and you can't understand your wake.


Literally right there in the clip.  No evidence the atmosphere is “pushing the ball down”.  The atmosphere would have to actually be moving downward to convey the ball down along with it.  That is how fluids work. 

The “atmosphere” doesn’t have to move down because gravity is pulling it down. 

Note.  Added.  The wake is the low area behind the ball as the ball creates higher pressure in front of it.  The area of drag behind the ball.  The wake shows no evidence the atmosphere is staying a consistent higher pressure or maintaining a consistent density to push the ball down like a ram rod.
Just for once put your own brain to work by thinking for yourself and udnerstanding what I mean by dense mass displacement of atmosphere minus natural volume.
Then marry that up with the stacked layering.
And then understand dropping a ball from a height means energy was applied to it to actually displace the higher atmospheric layers in that stack.


Then understand that the ball now acts as a barrier to compression of above and at the side layering down to half of that ball.
The rest of the layering in the stack is under the ball and at the side up to half of that ball.

The only thing keeping that ball up is the resistance to its compression which can be a hand or something holding it.

Once released the upper atmospheric pressure down to the middle of the ball squeezes that ball into the resistance below and as that resistance below and up to half of the ball tries to resist it, it's compressed back around the ball and adds another kick to it and so on and so on with the speed gaining due to each resistant layering being overcome by ever-increasing pressure gained from above, all the way to the ground.

I dare you to put your brain to work.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1486 on: July 16, 2023, 02:13:31 AM »

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I can observe that I can only throw my kid up in the air two foot when in the pool.  But I can push them in a cart so they coast 10 or more feet indicating there is a force that opposes a change in height not based on air resistance.
That's because you are using layering of atmosphere in the stacked and horizontal which are both massively different and you simply can't understand it despite being explained to many many times.


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I can witness a ball or brick thrown straight up into the air slows down faster than what is accounted for by air resistance.
No you can't. You think you can because you were told this fictional gravity offers something even though you have absolutely no clue as to what it is....and for good reason.


Ok?

And again…

Again..

There is no directionality in den pressure delusion.  Is it false to state if I move my hand horizontal back and forth, it should have the same resistance if I move my hand vertical up and down?

No.
Stacked layering caters to that.



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Back to a ball thrown straight up where it is slowed down faster than what is accounted for by air resistance.
I can further illustrate this by upping the weight, and changing the model to exaggerate the downward force of gravity.  That things are actually attracted to earth.

I can make a 2000 lbs steel sled with four wheels, and channeling / guides.

For the horizontal version, something like this.



The wheels fit in the channels or guides. The wheels use good bearings.  I can push it with my body.  Probably with a good shove, get the wheeled sled to coast a bit of a distance on its own.  I could even use a winch rated for 500 pounds and get the thing to move.  I could even build all kinds of walls and roofs around it if your worried about “foundation” in the context of horizontal movement with the ground.

Now.  In den pressure delusion.  There should be no “directionality”. Or solved by building a “foundation” perpendicular to the movement of the sled?
The foundation for your vehicle is the track your vehicles wheels stand on which hold up your entire vehicle.
Your vehicle is being crushed to that track with every bit of its entirety of dense mass minus natural volume within.
This means it's crushed to the track right to the very bottom of the wheels.

If your track is near perfect horizontal then your vehicle sits within horizontally stacked layering near equal meaning any push forward will result in only those stacked layers being compressed and those compressed stacked layers have to decompress in order to allow the movement of that vehicle.

So how it works is, you create a higher pressure in front of the vehicle by your push from behind. You also immediately create a lower pressure behind the vehicle than the higher pressure in front.

This has to be near equalised (action and equal and opposite reaction to that action).

So what happens is a two-way reactionary crash of compressed atmosphere.
One is decompression from the energy that compressed the atmosphere horizontally which now compresses that atmosphere in many layers above while layers around the vehicle are pushed around by compressive force.

Those decompressive layers along with the decompression of the layering above crash into each other and basically kick the vehicle's arse to keep a near equilibrium in movement based on the energy applied.

The end result is a near-balanced movement horizontally as long as energy is applied. And if energy ceases to be applied, only then will the reactionary arse kicking dissipate. Hence why the vehicle can continue moving for a short while while slowing down to a stop.

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Den pressure delusion is stupid.

Anything is stupid to someone who can only read and regurgitate official lines.



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A recreational wind tunnel enables human beings to experience the sensation of flight without planes or parachutes, through the force of wind being generated vertically. Air moves upwards at approximately 195 km/h (120 mph or 55 m/s), the terminal velocity of a falling human body belly-downwards. A vertical wind tunnel is frequently called 'indoor skydiving' due to the popularity of vertical wind tunnels among skydivers, who report that the sensation is extremely similar to skydiving. The human body 'floats' in midair in a vertical wind tunnel, replicating the physics of 'body flight' or 'bodyflight' experienced during freefall.[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_wind_tunnel
A wind tunnel offers massive energy consistently and that consistency compresses denser atmosphere below into less dense atmosphere above. Below layering pushed into higher layering.
It counteracts the atmosphere above overcoming the resistance below, hence why a person can lay on a higher compressive force foundation to cause them to appear to float.

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. It’s not about your delusion.  It’s about understanding the actual world, and the ability to model it to make accurate predictions and safe equipment/buildings/structures.
Nobody understands the Earth in its entirety. It's all about nibbling away at what we are part of as we go on and then trying to understand it against massive resistance to those who try, by force, to dampen a search for potential reality by them offering regurgitation of schooling and mass adherence to peer pressure.


And no, I'm under no illusions as to what you'll do with my explanations. I have you sussed.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1487 on: July 16, 2023, 02:21:58 AM »
back to water and air


do you agree fluids push and crush directionally from high crush to a lower crush?
Fluids crush in all ways.
The difference in the crush is based on the molecular make-up and resistance which depends on how much crush force there is.
I'm almost sure you'll take another massive step backward as you regularly do.


cool

except you can experimentally change the fluid and see that the object being crushed will rise or lower.

take tap water in a glass.
drop a hard boiled egg.
watch it sink to bottom.

dump a container full of salt into the water.
watch the egg float up.
You've just made the water much denser against what was pushed into it so naturally it will be crushed against and rise.




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there's something about the fluid that pushes.
curshes.
and that direction is up and depended on the properties of the fluid.
The direction of the push is at the sides and from above in natural circumstances.
Energy is required to push anything from below the very bottom of any object.



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the egg's displacement of atmospheric sponge air didn't change did it?
Of course. All of it marries up whether it's water or whatever, against the atmosphere.




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use a helium balloon in an air-air container.
pump in hydrogen-only gas into the air container and watch the helium balloon sink.
You're offering a lower resistance to the balloon by ridding the atmosphere and replacing it with broken-down molecules of hydrogen against helium.
The balloon itself wins the displacement for down.


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did the helium balloon change just because you changed the fluid?
No, the fluid did.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1488 on: July 16, 2023, 02:23:44 AM »

What dimension are you?

If you have a friend far away where you can both see the moon at the same time.  You can make a close calculation how faraway the moon is, and then you could calculate how big it is.

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How Anyone Can Measure The Distance To The Moon Using Cameras


No you can't.


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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1489 on: July 16, 2023, 02:25:25 AM »

You have observed nothing of the sort and you certainly have not observed gravity.

Which is a blatant lies. And you still haven’t shared any documentation experiment that proves den pressure in a thread literally titled, “ Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?”



If I'm lying then you should be able to offer me proof of your gravity.
Can you personally do that and if so, how?

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1490 on: July 16, 2023, 02:26:16 AM »
Two balls one mad of glass one of wood droop in water one sinks the other floats how does den-pressure tell the difference. the size of the balls are the same!
Porosity and displacement.

Basically how much atmosphere is within a structure and how much a structure can displace atmosphere.
as the size is the same atmosphere displacement is the same.
Not at all.
Volume plays a massive part. Porosity.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1491 on: July 16, 2023, 02:28:20 AM »


Molecules having a fixed size does NOT mean they are all the same size.
This was explained to you repeatedly; yet here you are lying and acting like it does yet again.

If they aren't all the same size then they don't have a fixed size.
Make your mind up.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1492 on: July 16, 2023, 02:33:24 AM »
back to water and air


do you agree fluids push and crush directionally from high crush to a lower crush?
Fluids crush in all ways.
The difference in the crush is based on the molecular make-up and resistance which depends on how much crush force there is.
I'm almost sure you'll take another massive step backward as you regularly do.

I have two questions for you, Sceptimatic.

1) Is denpressure air pressure?

Denpressure is atmospheric pressure being displaced by any dense mass, including every molecule of the atmosphere/Earth itself.
Merely using air pressure does not tell any story.


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2) Have you experimented using a vacuum chamber to prove or disprove your denpressure theory?
I've experimented using low pressure in a chamber.
Vacuums do not and can not ever be a reality.



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I legitimately have no idea what your responses will be, so this is kinda exciting. Oh, and I am looking forward to doing that other experiment we talked about.
If you're as smart as I think you are then put your mind to work and try and understand what I'm getting at and try not to be sidetracked by the usual suspects who appear to have grasped nothing after all this time.
Whether that's on purpose or something else....well, who really knows.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1493 on: July 16, 2023, 02:36:29 AM »
Seeing as the topic has changed to mask-wearing, I think I'll leave it with that.
Carry on maskers.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1494 on: July 16, 2023, 03:21:58 AM »
You can reach a lot of stuff with a lot of stuff based on attachments of molecules by pressures applied.
You mean attractive forces holding the molecules together?
Otherwise it isn't attachment.

This is the reason we have so many variations of elements and in whatever forms depending on pressures.
No, it isn't. As elements don't vary based upon pressure, at least not until you go to extreme pressures to allow nuclear fusion.

Yours certainly does not.
Then why does the mainstream model work so well to explain reality, with you entirely incapable of demonstrating a single fault; while your nonsense repeatedly fails, with so many faults it isn't funny?

Just for once put your own brain to work by thinking for yourself and udnerstanding what I mean by dense mass displacement of atmosphere minus natural volume.
Try to follow your own advice, and understand that the pressure gradient means the fluid pushes things up, not down.

And then understand dropping a ball from a height means energy was applied to it to actually displace the higher atmospheric layers in that stack.
And where does it go? Below the ball.
And the same happens regardless of the mass of the ball, it even happens with a balloon.

The only thing keeping that ball up is the resistance to its compression which can be a hand or something holding it.
Or the high pressure air below?

Once released the upper atmospheric pressure down to the middle of the ball squeezes that ball into the resistance below
But the pressure below is greater, so the air above can't push down into it. It CANNOT overcome the greater resistance below.
That means it can't push the ball down.

I dare you to put your brain to work.
I have, which is why I can see that your model doesn't work.

Stacked layering caters to that.
Which you can't explain, and which would push things up. It would NOT slow them down faster if they are thrown upwards.

If your track is near perfect horizontal then your vehicle sits within horizontally stacked layering near equal meaning any push forward will result in only those stacked layers being compressed and those compressed stacked layers have to decompress in order to allow the movement of that vehicle.
And the only difference if it is vertical, and your nonsense was true, was the pressure gradient pushing it up.

A wind tunnel offers massive energy consistently and that consistency compresses denser atmosphere below into less dense atmosphere above. Below layering pushed into higher layering.
It counteracts the atmosphere above overcoming the resistance below, hence why a person can lay on a higher compressive force foundation to cause them to appear to float.
No, it overcomes GRAVITY.
It has a high enough pressure below the person to push them up.

Without gravity, the pressure below is already enough to overcome the resistance above and the object should go up.

The direction of the push is at the sides and from above in natural circumstances.
And from below.
Stop ignoring it.

Again, you NEED this push from below to explain why things rise.
Stop ignoring it just because it shows your delusional BS is wrong.

Energy is required to push anything from below the very bottom of any object.
Energy is required to push (with movement), regardless of direction.
This includes from above and from below.

For the atmosphere, that energy comes from the pressure, and the pressure gradient.

If I'm lying then you should be able to offer me proof of your gravity.
We have.
You just lie and claim that the air magically does it.

Again, the fact that objects fall against the pressure gradient demonstrates there is another force.
The fact that there is a pressure gradient demonstrates that there is another force.
The fact that things falling or rising depends upon their density demonstrates that there is a force proportional to mass.

If they aren't all the same size then they don't have a fixed size.
Make your mind up.
Stop with all the dishonest BS.
You have it explained why that is BS, you were unable to provide any fault with that explanation.
Instead you just cling to this because it destroys your delusional BS.

Again, it is quite simple to understand, a molecule of H2 has a fixed size, lets call it 1. A molecule of O2 has a fixed size, lets call it 10.
That means any molecule of H2 you find, will have a size of 1. Every single one. It doesn't matter what you do to it, it will continue to have a size of 1.
That also means any molecule of O2 you find will have a size of 10. Every single one. It doesn't matter what you do to it, it will continue to have a size of 1.
If you have them at 1 atm of pressure, H2 will have a size of 1 and O2 will have a size of 10.
If you have them at 1 000 000 atm of pressure, H2 will have a size of 1 and O2 will have a size of 10.
If you have them at 0.0000000000001 atm of pressure, H2 will have a size of 1 and O2 will have a size of 10.

Their size is fixed.

But this does NOT mean that H2 and O2 have the same size. They are different.

So the size of each molecule is fixed, but that does NOT mean they are all the same.

This is why the molecular sieves work for the separation of gases.
Some molecules are small enough to go through, others are not.

Stop with all this dishonest BS and start trying to honestly and rationally defend your claim or admit your BS doesn't work.

I've experimented using low pressure in a chamber.
Vacuums do not and can not ever be a reality.
If they can't be a reality, that means you are lying, and have NEVER experimented with them (i.e. low pressure in a chamber, as that is vacuum).

Once more, stop with the dishonest BS. A vacuum does not need to be perfect.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1495 on: July 16, 2023, 04:05:51 AM »

Just for once put your own brain to work

How about putting your brain to work concerning actual documentation of a ball dropping.





by thinking for yourself and udnerstanding what I mean by dense mass displacement of atmosphere minus natural volume.

Which has nothing to do with what is actually observed when a ball drops.





Then marry that up with the stacked layering.

No proof the atmosphere is conveying things down like a piston or ram rod.  No indication the atmosphere is mechanically driving the ball down.  Mechanically is the only means offered by your model.




And then understand dropping a ball from a height means energy was applied to it to actually displace the higher atmospheric layers in that stack.

We are not posting about your blind devotion to your den pressure delusion.  We are posting about actual observations.


And then understand dropping a ball from a height means energy was applied

What is the source of “energy” the the static atmosphere in the tube. 


It’s explained by gravitational potential energy converting over to kinetic energy as the ball drops.


Then understand that the ball now acts as a barrier to compression of above and at the side layering down to half of that ball.

In your delusion the atmosphere has to physically move the ball down.  It’s obviously by the wake and resultant swirling the ball is not being moved down by atmosphere.  Not being conveyed down.  The atmosphere isn’t actively moving the ball down. It’s not even conveying the ball down.  The atmosphere is reactive to gravity pulling the ball down through atmosphere.



The rest of the layering in the stack is under the ball and at the side up to half of that ball.

Meaningless words salad where video shoes no proof the ball is being moved down by atmosphere.  No evidence the ball is being driven down by atmosphere.



The only thing keeping that ball up is the resistance to its compression which can be a hand or something holding it.

No.  The ball being pulled down by gravity creates a high pressure area in front of the ball.  There is a low pressure area created by the falling ball from drag behind the ball that leaves an area of lower pressure potential behind the ball and chaotic swirling that provides no means for the atmosphere to push down the ball with any consistency for steady and consistent acceleration.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1496 on: July 16, 2023, 04:19:23 AM »

The foundation for your vehicle

Your meaningless word salads.

For this.



When it’s horizontal.  There is no change in gravitational potential energy.  I provide the energy to overcome all resistances to move the sledge and make it coast. The “atmosphere” only is resistance. The atmosphere is in no way providing an energy input that helps me move the sled.

When the sledge it placed in the vertical position



In den pressure delusion there is no new forces.  No new resistances

In reality moving the sled vertically adds a new “resistance” of fighting the force of gravity.  Trying to fight gravity to raise the sled’s gravitational potential.

The reason I can’t push up the sled but can move it horizontally is pushing up adds the “resistance” of changing potential gravitational energy by changing height above ground.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1497 on: July 17, 2023, 06:27:02 AM »
Was trying to find something in past posts.


Boy.  This is a lie.


I'll accept everything if it's proven to be a reality.


And yet you have to ignore if you make air resistance negligible like dropping a feather, coin, and bowling ball with most of the atmosphere evacuated out of a chamber they drop at the same rate.

Is that all you have is blatant lies sceptimatic.



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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1498 on: July 17, 2023, 09:48:09 AM »

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did the helium balloon change just because you changed the fluid?



No, the fluid did.

You've just made the water much denser against what was pushed into it so naturally it will be crushed against and rise.

You're offering a lower resistance to the balloon by the [...] balloon itself wins the displacement for down.




so we agree
fluids push from all sides and the net direction always is from high pressure to low pressure.
in a non-wind situation, that direction is up.

a change in the fluid properties results in a change in up.

if a theoretical tube from the "foundation" (DPism) aaaaaaalll the way up to the ice dome where the "air" is replaced with hydrogen gas (a real thing), if a helium balloon were inflated, it would not rise.

so you still have no mechanism for down because "displacement" (DPism) relies on the "air" (DPism) to push things down.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1499 on: July 17, 2023, 10:52:44 PM »
Was trying to find something in past posts.


Boy.  This is a lie.


I'll accept everything if it's proven to be a reality.


And yet you have to ignore if you make air resistance negligible like dropping a feather, coin, and bowling ball with most of the atmosphere evacuated out of a chamber they drop at the same rate.

Is that all you have is blatant lies sceptimatic.
It's not a lie. I will accept anything that can be proven to be a reality.
Your offering of regurgitation from books and appealing to authority does not offer any proof of anything.