Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1200 on: June 28, 2023, 12:27:48 AM »

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However, if you actually observe what pulling forces are you will quickly notice that it takes a pushing force or a compressive force to move anything in any direction.
You have repeated this lie countless times.
You can be incredibly dishonest and look for any tiny pushing force, and then lie to everyone by claiming it means it is all push.
But that is just a pathetic lie.
You can believe anything you want to but I stick by what I'm saying.



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If instead you look honestly, you need a pulling force.
There is no way out of it.

We have been over this repeatedly.
Remember the link in the chain?
How does the force get transmitted to the left?
By a PULLING force.

Again, here is what happens without it:

You offer a link that's being pushed and yet you split it.
What is it you're offering.
How about you offer a chain and try the same thing with your supposed (attrractive/pulling force?
And try and explain what a pulling force actually means.


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Remember the gobstopper and peeling and layering and how the peeling works to change molecular behaviour?
Remember how you can't explain what keeps your layers of molecules attracted to each other to hold together in the gobstopper?
Pay attention.
If you can't grasp what was said then it's you that has the issue.
If you want to go on and on saying I haven't explained then you'll be always saying it and that's on you because I'm absolutely fine with what I have explained.


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Every molecule is attached to a molecule
Attached, as in an attractive force, or merely touching?
There is a very big difference.
There's no difference other than the pressures of attachment. It's all compression and decompression but you can't compress unless you decompress.
Seems counterintuitive but only if you don't pay attention.
You can't offer attraction or pulling because you have no clue what mechanism can create it.
There's a reason for that.


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I'll tell you what makes no sense and that is, free space.
How about instead of just repeating the same pathetic assertions, you try explaining it.

Why doesn't it makes sense?
It makes no sense because to have free space means you offer no path for anything, meaning life cannot work and nor can the cell of life nor the entirety of all the rest of it.

However, if you want to change your free space to saying you think an empty room with some space in it is free space of molecules you cannot see and can offer boxes to fill it then I'd happily understand why you're offering it.

But you aren't offering anything like this, are you?
You're offering your fictional vacuum of nothing. Zilch. Nada. Total non-existence of matter/molecules or your atoms or whatever you want.

And this is where your science becomes the fiction.

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The gobstopper analogy and the peeling should offer you some crude insight
It offers none, because it explains nothing.
You have no reason for why some things are solid, some are liquid and some are gas.
There is no reason without attractive forces.
If you paid closer attention you would understand.
Maybe ponder over what I said above with the mindset of solids and how far each goes to be what they are deemed as.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1201 on: June 28, 2023, 12:36:57 AM »
41 pages.  And no stated experiment where one can personally witness den pressure delusion.

Those who refuse to listen will be forever deaf. Those who refuse to see will be forever blind. And those who refuse to use their own mind will be forever regurgitating a script.
You fit all categories.


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Where a hand plunger can be used to compress gas in a vertical cylinder straight down, and have the plunger rise to lower pressure once the force of the hand is gone.

But no explanation from den pressure delusion where springy and “compressed” gas molecules are over come by a force to stop their natural tendency to dissipate, but bunch up sea level. 

The hand plunger is as allowed to rise up.  Why in the no gravity directionality of den pressure delusion are the “compressed” gas molecules no allowed to “decompress” by the less dense and pressure above?  The hand plunger shows “decompression” is “allowed” in den pressure delusion.


I say the hand plunger shows the atmosphere is in equilibrium with the gravity.  Push down on the hand plunger compressing the gas in the vertical cylinder, the trapped atmosphere builds pressure.  Remove the hand, the plunger is pushed up by the high pressure equalizing with the lower pressure above the plunger.  The hand plunger doesn’t continue to rise to increasing lower pressure and density of the upper atmosphere because the trapped gas pressure pushing up becomes in equilibrium with the force of gravity pulling down on the plunger.

Use a pump to evacuate the atmosphere under the hand plunger, the plunger moves down.  How is this possible in den pressure delusion if all space under the plunger is filled at all times with mass?  What if the vacuum pump is so good only one molecule of O2 is left?  How much can one molecule expand in DPD to fill all space with mass at all times?  How does it maintain the properties of O2.  Is it expanded to the point it is broken down, thinned out into nonexistent?
Pay better attention to what was said way back and you won't feel the need to retype the same stuff.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1202 on: June 28, 2023, 01:06:57 AM »

Nothing can exist as a single atom.




Argon exists as a single atom in the atmosphere.

What now of den pressure delusion?


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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1203 on: June 28, 2023, 01:19:19 AM »

Nothing can exist as a single atom.




Argon exists as a single atom in the atmosphere.

What now of den pressure delusion?
Nothing exists as a single atom.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1204 on: June 28, 2023, 01:24:09 AM »

Pay better attention to what was said way back and you won't feel the need to retype the same stuff.


Back to the hand pump pushing down on trapped gas in a vertical cylinder with a plunger.

I can push down and compress the gas with the plunger.

When I remove my hand den pressure delusion allows the higher pressure to equalize with the lower pressure by pushing the plunger up to lower density in the atmosphere.  But why doesn’t the plunger keep going up because up is into increasingly less dense, less pressure, less resistant atmosphere.  The plunger even has upward momentum.  What force “decelerates” and stops the upward momentum when “resistance” in den pressure delusion is needed for movement.


It’s because once an object is in motion it doesn’t need resistance.  The more you reduce resistance, the farther the object can travel.

The plunger stops upward motion because gravity.  It stops to the point atmosphere is in equilibrium with gravity.  It stops because of the downward force of gravity.  The upward momentum of plunger plunger slows down faster than what is accounted for by air resistance because of gravity.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1205 on: June 28, 2023, 01:29:38 AM »

Nothing can exist as a single atom.




Argon exists as a single atom in the atmosphere.

What now of den pressure delusion?
Nothing exists as a single atom.

And yet argon exists in the atmosphere as single fixed size atoms with space between other fixed sized argon atoms.

And shows why the periodic table makes sense for chemistry and den pressure delusion is crap.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1206 on: June 28, 2023, 01:35:01 AM »

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Just only one atom of hydrogen with nothing else existing in all the space of the universe.
That one atom would expand infinitely to create infinite mass to fill all the universe?  Or would it “break down” to complete nothingness?
It doesn't work like that

Why?

It doesn’t change if you use two atoms of oxygen to form a molecule of O2.

What happens if in all the space of the universe there was only one molecule of diatomic oxygen

How could it infinitely expand to create infinite mass to fill up infinite space?  Or would it “decompress” and “breakdown” into nonexistent?
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1207 on: June 28, 2023, 01:41:58 AM »
This is already existing electrons being motivated to move because of changes in electrical potential.



How in den pressure delusion is this a hydrogen generator.  How is there movement through materials normally gas tight.  What is being consumed to produce hydrogen.  Why is there no sign of pitting in the igniter from the loss of material being broken down to hydrogen in the den pressure delusion. 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1208 on: June 28, 2023, 01:51:30 AM »

Pay better attention to what was said way back and you won't feel the need to retype the same stuff.


Back to the hand pump pushing down on trapped gas in a vertical cylinder with a plunger.

I can push down and compress the gas with the plunger.

When I remove my hand den pressure delusion allows the higher pressure to equalize with the lower pressure by pushing the plunger up to lower density in the atmosphere.  But why doesn’t the plunger keep going up because up is into increasingly less dense, less pressure, less resistant atmosphere.  The plunger even has upward momentum.  What force “decelerates” and stops the upward momentum when “resistance” in den pressure delusion is needed for movement.

When you push down onto a plunger you compress the molecules within the container, meaning you have changed the natural layering of those molecules because of the energy applied by your force/push.
However, the back of your plunger was filling up with an atmosphere that took its natural place in that stacked layering.
The foundation of the container you plunged the compressed molecules against is trying to decompress back to their original state within their original layering but your energy/force is stopping that from happening.

Once you release that force the molecules will decompress and push that plunger back against a less dense atmosphere to get closer to equilibrium but never manage it.

It's all about you paying attention.


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It’s because once an object is in motion it doesn’t need resistance.  The more you reduce resistance, the farther the object can travel.
In a fictional world you'd have a point. In sci-fi you would have a thought process but that's all it is.
The old con job attributed to Newton of ......an object in motion remains in motion at a constant speed and in a straight line unless acted on by an unbalanced force...... is absolute utter clap trap.

To get anything in motion you first need to have resistance to dense mass and an energy to create that resistance to actually move it.
You also need a resistance to keep it in motion along with enough energy to ensure continuous motion.
You can offer a higher resistacne for motion and a lower resistance to it if you offer enough resistance to a foundation to push it. Or to be blunt, when you offer enough energy to overcome resistance to the push of the object.


An object in motion will always come to a stop no matter how little resistance there is to an initial push and stopping a consistent energy push to it. It may take longer than otehr dense masses of objects depending on what's being pushed.

However, little resistance is still resistance and will always offer a  force/resistance against the dense mass of the object.
No object will every stay in constant motion no matter how much energy you use to try to keep it in that motion. It's impossible when people bother to actually understand why.


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The plunger stops upward motion because gravity.  It stops to the point atmosphere is in equilibrium with gravity.  It stops because of the downward force of gravity.  The upward momentum of plunger plunger slows down faster than what is accounted for by air resistance because of gravity.
Gravity is just a fictional bull that's used to give people the idea that supposed space is real and Earth supposedly spins in it and all the rest of the silliness that fiction offers.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1209 on: June 28, 2023, 01:56:18 AM »

Nothing can exist as a single atom.




Argon exists as a single atom in the atmosphere.

What now of den pressure delusion?
Nothing exists as a single atom.

And yet argon exists in the atmosphere as single fixed size atoms with space between other fixed sized argon atoms.

And shows why the periodic table makes sense for chemistry and den pressure delusion is crap.
The periodic table can work under denpressure but you have to understand it and you understand absolutely none of it and prove it with every post.
That's because you're too busy offering up a selective copy and paste to follow the ideals set out for you.
You have no interest in denpressure and that's clear but you're all too willing to argue against something you have no clue about. I find that odd that you would waste your time trying to tell me about the world you're told you live in when most of us were schooled into that sci-fi.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1210 on: June 28, 2023, 01:58:06 AM »

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Just only one atom of hydrogen with nothing else existing in all the space of the universe.
That one atom would expand infinitely to create infinite mass to fill all the universe?  Or would it “break down” to complete nothingness?
It doesn't work like that

Why?

It doesn’t change if you use two atoms of oxygen to form a molecule of O2.

What happens if in all the space of the universe there was only one molecule of diatomic oxygen

How could it infinitely expand to create infinite mass to fill up infinite space?  Or would it “decompress” and “breakdown” into nonexistent?
Pay attention.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1211 on: June 28, 2023, 02:04:05 AM »
This is already existing electrons being motivated to move because of changes in electrical potential.
Explain what you're saying.
Existing electrons?
What is an electron?
Why is one exist?
What is motivated?
What is an electrical potential and why does it work?

You're offering nothing.

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How in den pressure delusion is this a hydrogen generator.
 How is there movement through materials normally gas tight.
What do you mean by gas-tight?
Explain it.

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What is being consumed to produce hydrogen.
Nothing is consumed, just altered. Broken-down molecular make-up

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  Why is there no sign of pitting in the igniter from the loss of material being broken down to hydrogen in the den pressure delusion.
Explain?

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1212 on: June 28, 2023, 03:12:21 AM »

Once you release that force the molecules will decompress and push that plunger back against a less dense atmosphere to get closer to equilibrium but never manage it.


Why does it stop and not continue upward into increasingly less dense  and less pressure of the atmosphere.

How does den pressure delusion know to only let it decompose only a little.  Den pressure delusion doesn’t.  In reality the plunger is lifted up until the lifting force of the compressed gas is in equilibrium with the downward force of gravity on the plunger.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1213 on: June 28, 2023, 03:18:58 AM »

Explain what you're saying.
Existing electrons?
What is an electron?
Why is one exist?
What is motivated?
What is an electrical potential and why does it work?

You're offering nothing.

Blatant lie by you.

This is electron flow.

By the way.  These are electrons arcing across the gap of the metal.



As explained here..


Vibrational frequencies or basically creating heat by pressure/compression and breaking down molecules into hydrogen and super compressing it as an instance.

Which is completely and utter BS that has nothing to do with why AC current flowing through a copper wire will induce current flow in a nearby copper wire.

Note added.  As demonstrated why current can flow across a “gap” in  a vacuum tube. 



The more atmosphere evacuated from the tube, better its operation. 

Which has noting to do with why a copper wire wrapped around an iron nail creates an electromagnet with voltage applied.

In your den pressure delusion of nothing attracts what is the significance of an hydrogen atom and how do they create current flow in a copper wire or solar panel. 

Why can’t a gas cylinder of hydrogen have leads hooked up to it to be used as a battery? Why doesn’t the gas cylinder of hydrogen induce current in nearby metals and wires?  Why can a tank of hydrogen gas be stored in an explosive gas / dust area with no fear of the hydrogen trapped in the gas cylinder creating a static charge that would be an ignition source?

And here.


Understand how water and steam flow and you'll get a basic grasp of how molecules on a smaller scale work to produce electricity.


Funny.  Pure / distilled water is a poor conductor of electricity with there being two hydrogens to every oxygen.  Water is not considered a conductor until it’s contained with something like salt.

Which you still haven’t explained why hydrogen would bond to oxygen to form water if nothing in den pressure delusion attracts.



And yet you're explaining nothing.



Ac current flowing through a copper wire is created by a spinning magnet where the positive and negative poles push and pull electrons that have a negative charge to create a rising and collapsing magnetic field.  This can be represented by using an oscilloscope to “sense” the changes in electrical potential in reference to ground / zero electrical potential.  This is seen as a sine wave. Items like capacitors, diodes, and inductors can be used to change a sign wave into a square wave or to a DC current.

For AC current, electrons flow through a copper wire totally void of hydrogen. Hydrogen is a poor conductor of electricity.  The pushing and pulling of the magnetic of the generator causes the current to go from zero potential in electricity, peak at some positive value, descend to back to zero potential electricity.  Then peak to some negative value that represents that reverse flow of current from positive.  This is the sine wave of current and voltage.  In a motor or inductor the sine wave of voltage and current become 90 degrees out of phase. 

The movement AC current causes a magnetic field to build and collapse as it flows through a copper wire.  The rising and falling of a collapsing magnetic field can induce current flow in other unshielded copper wires too close.  This is not pressure dependent.  Depends on using conductors like copper, not poor conductors like hydrogen.

And here..


Vibrational frequencies or basically creating heat by pressure/compression and breaking down molecules into hydrogen and super compressing it as an instance.


Thought about this a little more.

The real world observation that a little electrical potential liberates a few already existing electrons in elements that are good conductors such a copper to get them flowing.

Which produces this.

By the way.  These are electrons arcing across the gap of the metal.




Vs from a person that doesn’t believe in nuclear power thinks hydrogen is produced from thin air because you can’t prove any amount of molecules are reduced to make hydrogen.  And that the igniter on my stove is a hydrogen generator that doesn’t explain how hydrogen migrates hundreds of miles through copper wires that can be used to make gas tight containers. 


By the way.  Electronics are also a form of radiation called beta radiation.  The closest thing to your hydrogen is alpha radiation.  A particle of two protons and two neutrons stripped of electrons. 

So.  In the den pressure delusion, how do solar panels make electricity? 

If you think something is being broken down, write the reaction equation.  What is being consumed to produce what?  Do the same for copper wiring.  Or semiconductors.  Microchips.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1214 on: June 28, 2023, 03:33:46 AM »

The periodic table can work under denpressure

No.  Because the periodic table is a road map of elements that shows their structure based on electrons, neutrons, and protons.  And basses  reactivity and the bonds they can form on these structures


Example how den pressure delusion fails and is not compatible with the periodic table.

Your claim on electricity..


Vibrational frequencies or basically creating heat by pressure/compression and breaking down molecules into hydrogen and super compressing it as an instance.



Using the periodic table write the chemical reaction of what is “breaking down” to form “electrical hydrogen”.

 With this being in reality the arcing of already existing elections across a gap because of electrical potential.



With the arcing in den pressure delusion would have to be a hydrogen generator by your definition.  But there is no sign the igniter is being consumed to “breakdown” to hydrogen


And you still haven’t addressed the reality that argon exists in the atmosphere as single atoms. 

Where argon stays single atoms as argon atoms are drawn in at lower than atmospheric pressure to be compressed up for a purification process, bottled at 3000 PSI, dropped down to one PSI for shielding gas in welding. 
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1215 on: June 28, 2023, 05:49:33 AM »

Once you release that force the molecules will decompress and push that plunger back against a less dense atmosphere to get closer to equilibrium but never manage it.


Why does it stop and not continue upward into increasingly less dense  and less pressure of the atmosphere.
Becuase it decompresses back to its original form when you first started to compress it.
It could only go a bit higher if you allowed it to decompress at a rate that means you'd have to disconnect the plunger but then the decompressed molecules would simply be squeezed back down into their layers.


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How does denpressure  know to only let it decompose only a little.

What do you mean with this?

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  In reality the plunger is lifted up until the lifting force of the compressed gas is in equilibrium with the downward force of gravity on the plunger.
In fantasy you mean.
You can't even offer a reason for gravity. I'm giving you the reasoning for denpressure..
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1216 on: June 28, 2023, 07:01:43 AM »

Once you release that force the molecules will decompress and push that plunger back against a less dense atmosphere to get closer to equilibrium but never manage it.


Why does it stop and not continue upward into increasingly less dense  and less pressure of the atmosphere.
Becuase it decompresses back to its original form when you first started to compress it.

No.  That doesn’t explain it.  The compressed gas pushes up because there is ever decreasing pressure above the plunger.  There is no reason for the plunger to stop rising into increasingly less dense atmosphere and pressure in the den pressure delusion.

The plunger stops in reality where the upward force is equalized with gravity creating a downward force on the plunger.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1217 on: June 28, 2023, 07:07:24 AM »

In fantasy you mean.
You can't even offer a reasoning for gravity. I'm giving you the reasoning for denpressure..

What stops the upward momentum of the plunger faster than what is accounted for by air friction where you claim items in motion need air resistance.

There is less and less resistance above the plunger.  Why does the decompression of the gas not lift it up to 10,000 or 20,000 thousand feet?  Why does the decompression stop with there still being a pressure differential below (greater pressure) and above (less than) the plunger. 
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1218 on: June 28, 2023, 07:29:05 AM »



And you still haven’t addressed the reality that argon exists in the atmosphere as single atoms. 


I have addressed it. I told you there are no single atoms.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1219 on: June 28, 2023, 07:33:08 AM »

Once you release that force the molecules will decompress and push that plunger back against a less dense atmosphere to get closer to equilibrium but never manage it.


Why does it stop and not continue upward into increasingly less dense  and less pressure of the atmosphere.
Becuase it decompresses back to its original form when you first started to compress it.

No.  That doesn’t explain it.  The compressed gas pushes up because there is ever decreasing pressure above the plunger.  There is no reason for the plunger to stop rising into increasingly less dense atmosphere and pressure in the den pressure delusion.

The plunger stops in reality where the upward force is equalized with gravity creating a downward force on the plunger.
Action and equal and opposite reaction to that action.
You used your energy to compress the molecules that were in the very same layers in the atmospheric stack.
You chose to compress them into fewer layers by compression and that compression decompresses back into their original layers once you take away your energy to hold them.
If that doesn't make sense to you then it doesn't surprise me because nothing makes any sense to you unless you can copy and paste it.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1220 on: June 28, 2023, 07:37:28 AM »
What stops the upward momentum of the plunger faster than what is accounted for by air friction where you claim items in motion need air resistance.
The walls the plunger is against adds friction to the decompression.


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There is less and less resistance above the plunger.  Why does the decompression of the gas not lift it up to 10,000 or 20,000 thousand feet?

Are you talking about a plunger or a fuelled missile?

You've been explained to. How is it you can't grasp anything at all?
I'm beginning to suspect something.
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  Why does the decompression stop with there still being a pressure differential below (greater pressure) and above (less than) the plunger.
It stops because you take away your energy. Keep your energy pushing on the plunger and it will stay compressed.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1221 on: June 28, 2023, 08:41:05 AM »



And you still haven’t addressed the reality that argon exists in the atmosphere as single atoms. 


I have addressed it. I told you there are no single atoms.

Which means you’re wrong.  Argon exists in the atmosphere as single fixed sized atoms.

What are you?  Like five? Or just your mentality. 
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1222 on: June 28, 2023, 08:46:23 AM »

Are you talking about a plunger or a fuelled missile?


No.  But there is always a pressure difference of higher pressure below the plunger and a lower increasingly so pressure above the plunger.  There is always a pressure differential across the plunger.


There is no gravity to give a downward force in den pressure delusion. 

The reason the plungers upward momentum is stopped is because the pressure under the plunger pushing up equalizes with the force of gravity pushing down.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1223 on: June 28, 2023, 08:47:03 AM »



And you still haven’t addressed the reality that argon exists in the atmosphere as single atoms. 


I have addressed it. I told you there are no single atoms.

Which means you’re wrong.  Argon exists in the atmosphere as single fixed sized atoms.

What are you?  Like five? Or just your mentality. 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1224 on: June 28, 2023, 09:01:05 AM »



And you still haven’t addressed the reality that argon exists in the atmosphere as single atoms. 


I have addressed it. I told you there are no single atoms.

Which means you’re wrong.  Argon exists in the atmosphere as single fixed sized atoms.

What are you?  Like five? Or just your mentality.
Show me this fixed-size single atom.

You must be in possession of a picture of it...right?
If not then what are you basing it on?

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1225 on: June 28, 2023, 09:47:35 AM »

Show me this fixed-size single atom.


As repeatedly posted.

Everything from molecular sieve with fixed pore sizes that allows individual molecules with individual fixed sizes over a range of pressures to pass through while removing larger molecules, to how lungs and carburetors work, to why a feather falls faster and faster as pressure decreases below atmospheric pressure, to the difference between solid, liquid, and gas.


Now you show me proof that molecules expand with pressure to ensure no voids of mass to the point if only one molecule existed in all of the space of the universe it would infinitely expand to create infinite mass.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1226 on: June 28, 2023, 01:45:46 PM »


Show me this fixed-size single atom.

You must be in possession of a picture of it...right?
If not then what are you basing it on?

Shrugs…



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https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2014-05-physicists-unlimited-graphene.amp


Scanning tunnelling microscopy (STM) image of graphene on Ir(111). The image size is 15 nm × 15 nm. Credit: ESRF


Still waiting on "why down" also, but you guys continue.  The vacuum semantics are fun.  The so called expanded molecule that's never been observed, theorized, mathematically tested, etc.
Has the free space been observed?
Yes, there are actual, award winning, "photos" of atoms.  Photo not being exactly correct since they used electrons instead of photons. 
But you will cry and throw a fit saying it's all fake... boo hoo, can't back up anything so everything else has to be fake to make himself feel better. 
I'm sure you can show me them and verify them and explain them, right?
I'll wait till you have something and then we'll discuss it.


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Go ahead, we are waiting.  Throw your hissy fit. Better yet, try saying I'm upset, that's always a good laugh for me. 
Entertain me.
I'm fine but I'd try and curb your own frenzy and it'll likely make it easier for you to argue your points when you ever have any.
I'm sure you can show me an expanding molecule, verify the picture and explai....    wait you never explain anything.  Exactly as I said, you claim its fake.  I'm STILL waiting on explanations from you.   But if you want links and explanations of those photos, first you promise not to immediately cry fake, conspiracy, etc.  It's all you have really have though so I'm not holding my breath.

Also, frenzy???  3 to 5 posts in a month?  Sure.  You really are quite desperate.  Try new dance moves.  Continue though, it still entertains me.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1227 on: June 28, 2023, 02:02:49 PM »
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30 years of moving atoms: How scanning probe microscopes revolutionized nanoscience

https://cen.acs.org/analytical-chemistry/imaging/30-years-moving-atoms-scanning/97/i44



For 22 h over Nov. 9 and 10, 1989, Donald M. Eigler and Erhard K. Schweizer used the ultrasharp tip of a scanning tunneling microscope (STM) to pick up 35 xenon atoms and spell IBM in 5 nm tall letters on a cold nickel surface (shown). By the end of the experiment, the IBM team recorded a microscope image of the masterpiece—published several months later (Nature 1990, DOI: 10.1038/344524a0)—that created a scientific sensation and was displayed in newspapers around the globe.



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IBM in atoms was a demonstration by IBM scientists in 1989 of a technology capable of manipulating individual atoms.[1] A scanning tunneling microscope was used to arrange 35 individual xenon atoms on a substrate of chilled crystal of nickel to spell out the three letter company initialism. It was the first time that atoms had been precisely positioned on a flat surface.[2][3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_(atoms)


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Nanotechnology Takes Giant Leap Foward by Manipulating Molecules
Scientists have been able to move atoms around for 30 years, but moving molecules has proven much more difficult

https://spectrum.ieee.org/amp/molecular-nanotechnology-takes-giant-leap-foward-by-manipulating-molecules-2650277224


In research described in the journal Nature, the scientists from the Peter Grünberg Institute, in Germany, were able to use an SPM to get a platelet-shaped PTCDA molecule, which is structurally related to graphene, to stand upright on a silver platform rather than its favored position of lying flat on the surface. The results could serve as an important stepping-stone in the effort to make molecular nanotechnology a reality and, in so doing, bring about other disruptive technologies.



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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1228 on: June 28, 2023, 02:13:21 PM »
Sceptimatic is never going to address all the points or admit his model doesn't work. So, where does that leave you?
Continually objecting to their BS until they give up and go home, or start being honest for a change.

And where does it leave you?
Just throwing shit on the fire to try to piss people off.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1229 on: June 28, 2023, 02:23:40 PM »
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Atomic-scale manufacturing method could enable ultra-efficient computers

https://www.acs.org/pressroom/newsreleases/2019/november/atomic-scale-manufacturing-method-could-enable-ultra-efficient-computers.html

Scientists have previously manipulated single atoms to make ultra-dense memory arrays for computers, which store more data in a much smaller space than conventional hard drives and consume much less power. In a technique known as hydrogen lithography, researchers use the tip of a scanning tunneling microscope (STM) to remove single atoms of hydrogen bonded to a silicon surface. The pattern of silicon atoms bound to or lacking a hydrogen atom forms a binary code that stores the data. However, there is a bottleneck when rewriting the data because the STM tip must pick up and deposit hydrogen atoms at precise locations. Roshan Achal, Robert Wolkow and colleagues wanted to develop a more efficient method to rewrite atomic memory arrays.