Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2023, 08:30:14 AM

It's just molecular breakdown

UV radiation isn’t a molecule.  It’s electromagnetic radiation.

Ok let's deal with it as I said to your brother in the last post.

Tell me in your own words what UV is and how it's radiated. In your own words.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2023, 08:30:14 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022

Two.  The fact air passing through a Venturi in a carburetor picks up gasoline and mixes it to the correct ratio for combustion shows there is space between air molecules.  Too much fuel the engine floods.  Too little fuel, the mixture will not burn.
If your DPD was true, the air molecules would expand when passing through the carburetor.  Taking up all free space. Leaving no room to pick up gasoline.  Leaving no room for mixing gasoline with air to achieve the correct ratio to sustain combustion.

It simply comes down to molecular breakdown and what set of molecules can overcome less dense ones.

You are the one not paying attention.

There is nothing to breakdown. For combustion to take place the air has to go in as air.  The gasoline has to go in as gasoline .  The air and gasoline have to mix and mix in the right ratio.  For the carburetor to draw gasoline into the incoming air, the air has to create a low pressure area in the Venturi. That means space between the molecules.

In you den pressure delusion where molecules expand to take up all free space, there would be no motive for the air to pick up the gasoline in the carburetor because your “gobstoppers” would literally take up all the space and expand in the low pressure of the Venturi. In your delusion where molecules expand, there would be no low pressure in the Venturi because it would be full of your expanding mater.  There would be no room to mix the gasoline with the air because the venturi would be full of mater from your expanded molecules.  Density doesn’t in this case mean a thing because gasoline molecules and air molecules cannot occupy the same space.  And if the Venturi is full of the delusional expanding air molecules (the Venturi literal filled of all free space of your expanding mater), there is no space to pickup gasoline molecules.

After all this time I honestly thought you'd grasp a little bit but you're still at the start line. I find that bizarre.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 07, 2023, 03:25:10 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2023, 08:30:14 AM

It's just molecular breakdown

UV radiation isn’t a molecule.  It’s electromagnetic radiation.

Ok let's deal with it as I said to your brother in the last post.

Tell me in your own words what UV is and how it's radiated. In your own words.

Not playing this games.

This is how a UV lamp works.

What is a UV Lamp?
A UV lamp artificially creates UV light so it can be put to various uses, such as sterilizing and purifying. UV lamps come in many different sizes and shapes, allowing them to be used for various purposes, such as detecting counterfeit money, inspecting artwork, or by a ticket agent checking your re-entry stamp at a concert.
A UV lamp is different from a regular lamp because it’s typically made of quartz instead of glass. Inside, there is an inert gas mixed with mercury. When the lamp is plugged in, electricity reacts with the mercury, and the lamp produces UV light. The type of UV light emitted depends on the pressure inside the lamp. Not all UV lamps produce the UV-C germ-killing wavelength.

Basically a successful experiment completed every time a lamp is used.


Now.  If you think how the stated source is wrong.  Show you can actually understand the stated source, the principles behind how UV lamp works, and then provided actual evidence if you think the statement is false.


With has nothing to do with you haven’t explained what specifically is “breaking down” in the atmosphere by what energy to create UV radiation. 

Your measured weight is never constant. There are always fluctuations with everything.

No.  Not really.  My scale reads completely accurate and consistent to the pound.

Note added.  Even more for scales certified and calibrated for commerce.  Also for load and weight limit safety. Or scales used to count parts by weight so more useless lies and deflection by you.



Which has nothing to do with den pressure delusion cannot explain.

One, how it can produce a constant “transmission” to foundation when gas molecules move in random directions as seen in a gas bottle.  Especially in a chaotic atmosphere where updrafts and thermals are created.  In the context my weight is stable to the pond on a scale, and things like updrafts should have great impacts on my weight if DPD was responsible for weight.  Gravity and the action of gravity on my mass explains how my scale produces reliable, accurate, reproducible, and consistent results to the pound despite different atmospheric conditions.

Two.  You butchered buoyancy which is related to three.

Three.  If you weigh objects in a chamber with the atmosphere evacuated. As the chamber pressure is reduced increasingly below atmospheric, objects will weigh increasing more as the effect of buoyancy is reduced.  A closed air filled plastic bottle gains a significant amount of weight as the effects of buoyancy is removed.  The opposite effect dictated by DPD where less pressure should cause less weight.

Four


DPD has no explanation why a twenty times more dense steel ball falls at the same rate as a ping pong ball. When in DPD the steel ball should be falling twenty times faster.  Where in reality they accelerate at the same rate.  With history showing gravity is the dominate determination of acceleration.  With no correlation between rates objects drop and their densities.  And gravity correctly models drag and buoyancy.  Not DPD

And you have not provided any model when their densities should change their rates of acceleration.  And by how much. And you have not shown, Mr experience, by documented experiment your false assertions are true.

Five. As pressure is reduced increasingly below atmospheric pressure, and feather falls faster and faster.  A feather will fall increasingly faster until enough atmosphere is evacuated to the point air resistance is negligible where a coin, a feather, and a bowling bowl will all drop at the same rate.  In DPD, as atmosphere is removed things should fall slower.  Not faster.

Six. 

In DPD where you think molecules expand, there is no free space, and air resistance can never be made negligible because you think your expanded mater is taking up all free space.  Your expanding molecules would make it impossible for a carburetor to pick up gasoline in the incoming air via the Venturi for mixing to the right ratio for combustion.  Your expanding “gobstoppers” using expanding mater would fill all the free space in the Venturi with mater.  So.  In DPD there would be no low pressure created by the Venturi.  You stated in DPD molecules expand so air resistance is never negligible.  By molecules filling all available free space with mater. In DPD there would be simply no room to pickup the gasoline because a molecule of gas and a molecule of air cannot take up the same space.


Demonstrable reality shows air resistance can be made negligible.  A feather and a coin can drop at the same rate as enough atmosphere is evacuated from a chamber.  Contradicting DPD, a feather will fall faster as pressure is reduced below atmosphere.  Contradicting DPD, items will weigh more as pressure is reduced below atmosphere.  Expanding molecules with all free space taken with their mater would make the operation of a carburetor impossible as there needs to be free space between molecules to create a low pressure in the Venturi, room to pick up gasoline, and room to mix air a gas to the proper ratio for combustion.  DPD has failed to show a correlation between densities and drop rates. While willfully misrepresenting buoyancy.


And there still no evidence your atmosphere pushes things constantly to “foundation”

 

By the way gravity pulled the ball through the atmosphere.  Creating drag and low pressure behind it.  Showing the chaotic nature of atmosphere as the falling ball leaves a spiraling wake behind it.  With no indication the atmosphere pushed down from low pressure to high pressure to convey the ball down. 

How about you explain what a UV ray actually is?

Why?
So you can run off on more pathetic deflections?
That comment wasn't even addressed to you. Yet you cling to it as a way out.

How about you stop with all these pathetic deflections and try explaining your model.
What causes the atmosphere to stack?
What causes the atmosphere to defy what even you have admitted to allow a low pressure to push and overcome a higher pressure?

If dense mass is the reason objects fall, can you explain why if I hold a sheet of copy paper parallel to the ground and put a steel bolt on top of it, why does the steel bolt not push through the paper and continue to the ground.  The bolt is clearly denser.  How can the less dense molecules of paper overcome the denser molecules of steel.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2023, 10:19:17 PM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 07, 2023, 03:25:10 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2023, 08:30:14 AM

It's just molecular breakdown

UV radiation isn’t a molecule.  It’s electromagnetic radiation.

Ok let's deal with it as I said to your brother in the last post.

Tell me in your own words what UV is and how it's radiated. In your own words.

Not playing this games.

This is how a UV lamp works.

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What is a UV Lamp?
A UV lamp artificially creates UV light so it can be put to various uses, such as sterilizing and purifying. UV lamps come in many different sizes and shapes, allowing them to be used for various purposes, such as detecting counterfeit money, inspecting artwork, or by a ticket agent checking your re-entry stamp at a concert.
A UV lamp is different from a regular lamp because it’s typically made of quartz instead of glass. Inside, there is an inert gas mixed with mercury. When the lamp is plugged in, electricity reacts with the mercury, and the lamp produces UV light. The type of UV light emitted depends on the pressure inside the lamp. Not all UV lamps produce the UV-C germ-killing wavelength.

Basically a successful experiment completed every time a lamp is used.


Now.  If you think how the stated source is wrong.  Show you can actually understand the stated source, the principles behind how UV lamp works, and then provided actual evidence if you think the statement is false.


With has nothing to do with you haven’t explained what specifically is “breaking down” in the atmosphere by what energy to create UV radiation.

Get back to me when you can use your own words to explain UV light.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2023, 10:11:29 PM

Your measured weight is never constant. There are always fluctuations with everything.

No.  Not really.  My scale reads completely accurate and consistent to the pound.

Note added.  Even more for scales certified and calibrated for commerce.  Also for load and weight limit safety. Or scales used to count parts by weight so more useless lies and deflection by you.



Which has nothing to do with den pressure delusion cannot explain.

One, how it can produce a constant “transmission” to foundation when gas molecules move in random directions as seen in a gas bottle.  Especially in a chaotic atmosphere where updrafts and thermals are created.  In the context my weight is stable to the pond on a scale, and things like updrafts should have great impacts on my weight if DPD was responsible for weight.  Gravity and the action of gravity on my mass explains how my scale produces reliable, accurate, reproducible, and consistent results to the pound despite different atmospheric conditions.

Two.  You butchered buoyancy which is related to three.

Three.  If you weigh objects in a chamber with the atmosphere evacuated. As the chamber pressure is reduced increasingly below atmospheric, objects will weigh increasing more as the effect of buoyancy is reduced.  A closed air filled plastic bottle gains a significant amount of weight as the effects of buoyancy is removed.  The opposite effect dictated by DPD where less pressure should cause less weight.

Four


DPD has no explanation why a twenty times more dense steel ball falls at the same rate as a ping pong ball. When in DPD the steel ball should be falling twenty times faster.  Where in reality they accelerate at the same rate.  With history showing gravity is the dominate determination of acceleration.  With no correlation between rates objects drop and their densities.  And gravity correctly models drag and buoyancy.  Not DPD

And you have not provided any model when their densities should change their rates of acceleration.  And by how much. And you have not shown, Mr experience, by documented experiment your false assertions are true.

Five. As pressure is reduced increasingly below atmospheric pressure, and feather falls faster and faster.  A feather will fall increasingly faster until enough atmosphere is evacuated to the point air resistance is negligible where a coin, a feather, and a bowling bowl will all drop at the same rate.  In DPD, as atmosphere is removed things should fall slower.  Not faster.

Six. 

In DPD where you think molecules expand, there is no free space, and air resistance can never be made negligible because you think your expanded mater is taking up all free space.  Your expanding molecules would make it impossible for a carburetor to pick up gasoline in the incoming air via the Venturi for mixing to the right ratio for combustion.  Your expanding “gobstoppers” using expanding mater would fill all the free space in the Venturi with mater.  So.  In DPD there would be no low pressure created by the Venturi.  You stated in DPD molecules expand so air resistance is never negligible.  By molecules filling all available free space with mater. In DPD there would be simply no room to pickup the gasoline because a molecule of gas and a molecule of air cannot take up the same space.


Demonstrable reality shows air resistance can be made negligible.  A feather and a coin can drop at the same rate as enough atmosphere is evacuated from a chamber.  Contradicting DPD, a feather will fall faster as pressure is reduced below atmosphere.  Contradicting DPD, items will weigh more as pressure is reduced below atmosphere.  Expanding molecules with all free space taken with their mater would make the operation of a carburetor impossible as there needs to be free space between molecules to create a low pressure in the Venturi, room to pick up gasoline, and room to mix air a gas to the proper ratio for combustion.  DPD has failed to show a correlation between densities and drop rates. While willfully misrepresenting buoyancy.


And there still no evidence your atmosphere pushes things constantly to “foundation”

 

By the way gravity pulled the ball through the atmosphere.  Creating drag and low pressure behind it.  Showing the chaotic nature of atmosphere as the falling ball leaves a spiraling wake behind it.  With no indication the atmosphere pushed down from low pressure to high pressure to convey the ball down.

Get back to me when you can understand what you're saying and also understand denpressure at the very basics.
It's clear you have no clue.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 07, 2023, 10:16:31 PM

How about you explain what a UV ray actually is?

Why?
So you can run off on more pathetic deflections?
That comment wasn't even addressed to you. Yet you cling to it as a way out.

How about you stop with all these pathetic deflections and try explaining your model.
What causes the atmosphere to stack?
What causes the atmosphere to defy what even you have admitted to allow a low pressure to push and overcome a higher pressure?

How about you explain UV in your own words.
It seems it's you deflecting just like your brother.

If dense mass is the reason objects fall, can you explain why if I hold a sheet of copy paper parallel to the ground and put a steel bolt on top of it, why does the steel bolt not push through the paper and continue to the ground.  The bolt is clearly denser.  How can the less dense molecules of paper overcome the denser molecules of steel.

Because the paper is molecularly bonded and adds to the foundation for the denser bolt.
If you placed that paper in the atmosphere and placed the bolt on top the atmospheric displacement of the bolt dense mass of atmosphere will overcome the dense mass displacement of the paper, especially horizontally laid in that atmosphere and covering less stacked layering and laying in that less layering meaning it's under more resistance of the layering below it but in this case with the bolt on top and both allowed to fall, the bolt crushes into the paper and changes the configuration of the area of it.

How about you explain UV in your own words.
It seems it's you deflecting just like your brother.

UV is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
You are just clinging to it as some new pathetic deflection.
So no, lets not bother playing your pathetic game.

How about you explain how the atmosphere stacks, and how this causes the air to outright defy the known laws of physics by having low pressure push to overcome higher pressure.

Because the paper is molecularly bonded

That requires a pull. You say there is no pull.
No pull, no bonds, and the bolt should fall through.

Get back to me when you can understand what you're saying and also understand denpressure at the very basics.
It's clear you have no clue.

Why would something like a parachute fall to the ground in den pressure delusion.


If a gently press my finger against a knife edge, slowly increase pressure with no sawing motion, the knife will not cut me.

If I step on a nail point up, it will puncture my foot.

If I step or lay down on a bed of nails with points up, the nails will not puncture my skin.


So.  In den pressure delusion where there is no free space between molecules.  Air molecules supposedly expand to take up all space.  (Hey, why wouldn’t oxygen do the same thing as a liquid in DPD as it’s doing as a gas? WTF?)

Why would a parachute fall to the ground?  If there is no free space in your stack with molecules that magically expand to take up any and all space, why wouldn’t the action of the parachute be like me walking across a bed of nails?  Why would the parachute fall to the earth?

Because the paper is molecularly bonded and adds to the foundation for the denser bolt.

What foundation?  What if the paper and bolt are dropped in a area of a large thermal and updraft?




When objects drop through the atmosphere, they are pulled by gravity. Not pushed down by atmosphere as seen by the low pressure area and wake left behind the falling area. And the swirling chaos left behind.

Again.  Up drafts, thermals, jet steam, winds, low pressure cells should have a great impact on weight if weight was driven by the chaotic atmosphere to ground.  Can you explain how DPD is transmitting weight to foundation in an area where there are large updrafts and thermals? 

https://aerospaceweb.org/question/nature/q0253.shtml

It looks like thermals are doing the opposite, pushing air away from DPD “fountain”.


Weight driven by gravity explains why scales, especially large scales used in commerce and loading safety, can be calibrated and literally certified to be accurate to the pound despite the chaotic atmosphere. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 08, 2023, 10:55:09 PM

How about you explain UV in your own words.
It seems it's you deflecting just like your brother.

UV is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Tell your twin brother that.

How about you explain how the atmosphere stacks, and how this causes the air to outright defy the known laws of physics by having low pressure push to overcome higher pressure.

Already done so many times and wasted on you, so go and look back or just accept you can't grasp it or don't want to. Just like your twin.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 08, 2023, 11:00:35 PM

Because the paper is molecularly bonded

That requires a pull. You say there is no pull.
No pull, no bonds, and the bolt should fall through.

Nope, it's all push.
You just have to use your mind and understand the explanations and diagrams, which you and your twin refuse to do, which is fine by me.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 08, 2023, 10:54:21 PM

Get back to me when you can understand what you're saying and also understand denpressure at the very basics.
It's clear you have no clue.

Why would something like a parachute fall to the ground in den pressure delusion.


If a gently press my finger against a knife edge, slowly increase pressure with no sawing motion, the knife will not cut me.

If I step on a nail point up, it will puncture my foot.

If I step or lay down on a bed of nails with points up, the nails will not puncture my skin.


So.  In den pressure delusion where there is no free space between molecules.  Air molecules supposedly expand to take up all space.  (Hey, why wouldn’t oxygen do the same thing as a liquid in DPD as it’s doing as a gas? WTF?)

Why would a parachute fall to the ground?  If there is no free space in your stack with molecules that magically expand to take up any and all space, why wouldn’t the action of the parachute be like me walking across a bed of nails?  Why would the parachute fall to the earth?

When you decide to p[ay attention to all of what I say I'll be happy to go over it again.
Never forget the dense mass displacement of the atmosphere by the object within the payers of the stacking system.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 08, 2023, 11:00:35 PM

Because the paper is molecularly bonded and adds to the foundation for the denser bolt.

What foundation?  What if the paper and bolt are dropped in a area of a large thermal and updraft?
 

The paper will remain the bolt's foundation until the paper and bolt hit a more solid foundation.

When you decide to p[ay attention to all of what I say I'll be happy to go over it again.
Never forget the dense mass displacement of the atmosphere by the object within the payers of the stacking system.

So this is the game you’re going to play since den pressure delusion is an incomplete and failed model.


In reality, as atmosphere is evacuated from a chamber a feather with fall faster and faster as pressure decreases below atmosphere.  Completely contradicting and invalidating den pressure delusion.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 09, 2023, 04:20:40 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 08, 2023, 11:00:35 PM

Because the paper is molecularly bonded and adds to the foundation for the denser bolt.

What foundation?  What if the paper and bolt are dropped in a area of a large thermal and updraft?
 

The paper will remain the bolt's foundation until the paper and bolt hit a more solid foundation.

But what happens when they are dropped in a thermal updraft? 

https://aerospaceweb.org/question/nature/q0253.shtml

It looks like thermals are doing the opposite, pushing air away from DPD “fountain”.


And we can see that DPD is a failed model in the way a ball drops through atmosphere.



One simple experiment shows atmosphere isn’t pushing things to “foundation” by the area of low pressure behind the ball that is created called drag.  And by the swirling wake the ball leaves behind. It’s obvious the ball is pulled through atmosphere by gravity, not pushed down impossibly by pressure from low pressure to high pressure.  From lower atmospheric resistance to higher atmospheric resistance.

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

Yes.  But for air to flow to push something there has to be the difference in potential. And as you pointed out the difference in potential is from a higher energy state / stored energy to a lower energy state/ lower stored energy.  And that is from high pressure actually flowing molecules to low pressure. 

Already done so many times and wasted on you, so go and look back or just accept you can't grasp it or don't want to. Just like your twin.

No, you haven't.
You have NEVER explained it, because you have no explanation.
You spout some vague potentially related crap, which doesn't explain anything, or just repeat the observation you are meant to be explaining, without explaining anything.
That is why it is repeatedly asked. Because you haven't explained it.

And because you have run out of excuses, you use your usual tactic of just insulting people and lying to their face.

Nope, it's all push.

No, it isn't. A bond is a pull.
It truly is quite simple, if it was a push, then there is nothing holding it together. Instead it would only be held by other things pushing them together, at which point others thing can push into it and move it apart.

You just have to use your mind and understand the explanations and diagrams

The ones you refuse to provide because you can't?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 10, 2023, 02:31:55 AM

When you decide to p[ay attention to all of what I say I'll be happy to go over it again.
Never forget the dense mass displacement of the atmosphere by the object within the payers of the stacking system.

So this is the game you’re going to play since den pressure delusion is an incomplete and failed model.


In reality, as atmosphere is evacuated from a chamber a feather with fall faster and faster as pressure decreases below atmosphere.  Completely contradicting and invalidating den pressure delusion.

Regardless of what you say you're udner some kind of illusion that tehre's no pressure inside the chamber.
There are and even in normal atmospheric conditions it still offers a displacement of it by an object placed into it.
Understand this.

And also understand that the object will be squeezed down against a much less resistant atmosphere within that chamber.

So, as I said, pay attention to denpressure before you argue against it.
Because you have no clue about it and it's clear.

Regardless of what you say you're udner some kind of illusion that tehre's no pressure inside the chamber.

A lie by you.  Please quote where I ever posted such a thing.

There’s a reason vacuum gauges read a whole range.  Vacuum gauges read when pressure is below atmospheric pressure. 



A simple gauge shows the reality that different degrees of negative pressure / vacuum is expected.

And even posted about how much vacuum can realistically be drawn for a AC system as an example.   Where moisture and air has to evacuated before refrigerate is added to ensure proper AC operation.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 07:52:04 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 03:03:09 AM

Vacuum pumps work against a close system .
 That’s why they can evacuate an AC system of air and moisture so the system can be filled with refrigerant to work and not freeze up with moisture.

You're not offering anything.
What is it you're trying to offer?

No.  I’m offering reality that vacuum pumps are used to evacuate air and moister from AC systems in preparation for adding coolant.

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What Is Refrigerant Evacuation?

Refrigerant evacuation is the removal of moisture, air and non-condensable gases from a refrigeration system.[3] During this process, a vacuum pump is used to draw the sealed HVAC system into a vacuum. This removes air, nitrogen and moisture from the unit.[4]

https://www.rsi.edu/blog/hvacr/what-is-refrigerant-evacuation-and-why-is-it-important/#:~:text=Refrigerant%20evacuation%20is%20the%20removal,and%20moisture%20from%20the%20unit.

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Deep vacuum method will require you to pull vacuum down to 500 microns or less (ideally less than 200 microns to ensure no moisture at all).
Once you have reached your vacuum isolate vacuum by shutting the ball valves on your core removers and perform a rise test for 30 minutes.
It should not rise more than 100 microns. If it does break the vacuum with nitrogen, then perform evacuation again to ensure the removal off all contaminants. You may need to change oil in the vacuum pump, I recommend changing after every use!  This is why it is best to have a variety of vacuum pumps as you don't need a 230 litre per min pump on a domestic fridge.

https://www.cooltools.net.au/blogs/how-to/how-to-correctly-evacuate-a-refrigeration-or-air-conditioning-system-with-a-vacuum-pump

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 07:52:04 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022

Now stop trying to avoid the question by lawyering it to death.  And stop trying to change the subject from the meat of the post.

Why does a feather fall faster and faster in a chamber as a pump draws out an increasing amount of gas molecules below the amount found at one atmosphere until the point a feather will fall at the same rate as a coin or bowling ball.

Explain what you mean by a pump drawing our gas.

I didn’t post “drawing out gas.”

A vacuum pump literally provides the prime mover to reduce the amount of air molecules in a closed  space that can seal out atmospheric pressure.  Reduce the number of air molecules for a given volume less than what is found at one atmosphere.

We have been over this countless times.  Use the pump to move gas molecules out of the chamber, and move them to atmosphere.  Enough air molecules can be removed until air resistance becomes negligible to the point a coin, bowling ball, feather will drop at the same rate.

Now.  Stop changing the subject.  Why in the delusion of den pressure, why does a feather fall faster in a chamber where air molecules have been evacuated out of that chamber than less what is found at one atmosphere.  This occurs before “perfect vacuum”.

There are and even in normal atmospheric conditions it still offers a displacement of it by an object placed into it.
Understand this.

And also understand that the object will be squeezed down against a much less resistant atmosphere within that chamber.

So, as I said, pay attention to denpressure before you argue against it.
Because you have no clue about it and it's clear.

What has what to do with, as pressure is reduced less and less than atmospheric a feather falls faster and faster as air resistance becomes negligible.  Which completely contradicts sense pressure delusion.  As pressure is reduced less that atmospheric pressure in den pressure delusion, objects like a feather should fall slower.


So you are down to three things.


One.  You ignore what is an actually posted.


Two. You lie about what is actually posted.


Three.  You ignore demonstrable reality.

Ok, I've looked through where I left off and there doesn't seem to be much except the you tube experiments that starman put out. All the rest are just little digs and not worth a reply, so I'll concentrate on those youtube videos of starman.

Firstly, I've never mentioned anything floating in any evacuated chamber. If you find that I have, I will accept that I'm wrong and you are right. If you cannot find anything then you are simply making stuff up to keep hold on to fake gravity for some strange reason. Ok back to the experiments.

In the first clip with the two balls and feather, they are in a EVACUATION chamber. It still has pressure but very little resistance to the feather due to the molecules being EXPANDED, meaning the mass of the feather can easily push through the friction under it because it is weak.
As I said before but people didn't listen. The feather or a ball or wood, all originates from being pushed UP from the ground and it's natural break down is back to where it came from, because the matter inside is greater than the atmosphere it is under. No gravity, just a cycle of dense materials being pushed up all the time and being pushed against what is above it, for example: the matter in the atmosphere. No gravity involved and no floating.

The moon experiment is laughable and should never ever be put out by science to try to prove anything, because it's just killed off what you were trying to prove in the first place by using that evacuated chamber.
You see, what you lot failed to grasp, is that the chamber on Earth is subject to FULL gravity  as you lot bang on about...yet your moon is subject to ONE SIXTH of Earth's gravity and guess what we see when both experiments are performed?
We see the same drop. It makes no odds though because gravity is 100% made up and cannot be explained as to what it is, yet it's gripped onto like a mouse caught in an Eagles claw.

I'm well aware that your gravity is hard to disprove. There's a simple reason for that. It's because it's like the invisible man;  you can't see him, you can't feel him... but you're told he's all around you and to accept it because it's true.
No gravity, just a element stack of dense to less dense molecules/matter/particles all pushing against each other from top to bottom and bottom to top. Action and reaction in equal measures.

So.  You expect people to go back to 2014?

This is how stupid den pressure delusion is.  You claim molecules with mass expand to take up all space so no space is massless.  You claim even in an evacuated chamber the molecules expand so there is no free space. Every bit of volume in the chamber is filled with mass / matter.  With no space between the molecules.  No space between matter. Is that a false statement.

A feather has mass / matter.

In your delusion for a feather to fall, the mass/matter of the father must occupy the same space filled with the mass/matter of air molecules. Your delusion literally requires the matter of the feather and the matter of air molecules to simultaneously occupy the same space in the same instance for the feather to fall. 

 The feather or a ball or wood, all originates from being pushed UP from the ground and it's natural break down is back to where it came from, because the matter inside is greater than the atmosphere it is under.

Crazy.  So you are just a disciple of
 turbonium2’s return to origin delusion? 

No gravity, just a element stack of dense to less dense molecules/matter/particles all pushing against each other from top to bottom and bottom to top. Action and reaction in equal measures.

Vs 2023…

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

What’s the opposite and equal reaction for high pressure flowing to low pressure?

And how can low pressure with lower energy push objects into high pressure/higher potential/higher energy to fall down?  And why not up?  Why doesn’t the higher potential of atmosphere push objects up into lower pressure.  Just like your statement concerning a tank? 

And remember.  There is no downward force of gravity in your delusion.  Den pressure has no directionality for air molecules trying to expand into lower pressure.  That means in den pressure delusion the gas molecules at higher pressure should be expanding up into the lower pressure of the upper atmosphere until pressure is equalized.  If air molecules expand in a vacuum chamber while a vacuum pump creates a pressure imbalance.  Why do the gas molecules not expand in your delusion since there is a pressure imbalance in our atmosphere until there is no pressure imbalance.  Why is pressure equalized in a vacuum chamber with expanding molecules, but not in the atmosphere with its pressure imbalance? 

Regardless of what you say you're udner some kind of illusion that tehre's no pressure inside the chamber.

None of what they said there indicates that.

Instead, they just highlight the insanity of your claim, where the air clearly resists the motion, not causes it.

And also understand that the object will be squeezed down against a much less resistant atmosphere within that chamber.

Yet the squeeze down should be getting less as well. but for some magical reason it isn't.

Your model doesn't work.
But as your model can't even explain why the air magically overcomes the higher pressure below to push down, that shouldn't be surprising.

So, as I said, pay attention to denpressure before you argue against it.

And have you just start throwing out insults and lies?
I have paid attention, and clearly explained many points where your model fails.

You seem to think "pay attention" means to accept whatever crap you say without thinking.

Scepti, I've got a question: if vacuums don't exist, how do incandescent light bulbs work?

To recap: Current passes through a thin tungsten filament, making it so hot it glows. Under normal circumstances, it would instantly ignite (if you want proof, smash a light bulb open and turn it on.) However, the inside of a light bulb is a vacuum, so there's no oxygen or other gas to ignite with.

How does this work if there's no vacuum?

Scepti, I've got a question: if vacuums don't exist, how do incandescent light bulbs work?

They fully accept that vacuums do exist. They just refuse to allow them to be called vacuums. Instead they demand they are called extremely low pressure.

This is so they can pretend that when people say space is a vacuum it must be a perfect vacuum which can't exist so space can't exist.
And so they can say (after first getting it wrong by falsely claiming that rockets need ot push off the air) rockets can't work in space as they would have nothing to push off.

It is all just a big con to prop up a fantasy.

There’s a reason vacuum gauges read a whole range.  Vacuum gauges read when pressure is below atmospheric pressure. 



A simple gauge shows the reality that different degrees of negative pressure / vacuum is expected.

There's never negative pressure, there's higher and lower pressure and that's it.

Your gauge is set in one environment and has a higher and lower pressure reading scale on it and a pointer.
It simply resists pressure put into a chamber or pressure released from a chamber.
That's all it does.

No vacuums or negative pressure, just higher or lower pressure.

Quote from: Magicalus on June 11, 2023, 12:17:24 AM

Scepti, I've got a question: if vacuums don't exist, how do incandescent light bulbs work?

They fully accept that vacuums do exist. They just refuse to allow them to be called vacuums. Instead they demand they are called extremely low pressure.

This is so they can pretend that when people say space is a vacuum it must be a perfect vacuum which can't exist so space can't exist.
And so they can say (after first getting it wrong by falsely claiming that rockets need ot push off the air) rockets can't work in space as they would have nothing to push off.

It is all just a big con to prop up a fantasy.

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Oh.  Now Scepti is going to drone on about Rockets. 

One would think if den pressure delusion had any truth it would be easy to model a specific outcome with den pressure and then document an experiment off that modeling to show how one can experience den pressure.

Not at you.  Just a general question. 

What’s this thread again? 

With sarcasm.  It’s not like any experiments have been presented that totally contradict den pressure. With loads of experiments presented so one can specifically experience den pressure.  Can someone list those den pressure experiments for me….

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 10, 2023, 11:11:52 AM

There’s a reason vacuum gauges read a whole range.  Vacuum gauges read when pressure is below atmospheric pressure. 



A simple gauge shows the reality that different degrees of negative pressure / vacuum is expected.

There's never negative pressure, there's higher and lower pressure and that's it.

Your gauge is set in one environment and has a higher and lower pressure reading scale on it and a pointer.
It simply resists pressure put into a chamber or pressure released from a chamber.
That's all it does.

No vacuums or negative pressure, just higher or lower pressure.

Again. 

If I tell a coworker a tank has pressure.  They know if they jack with the tank it will eject or spray its contents out.

If I tell a coworker a tank is vented   They know the stored energy is gone, and it’s equalized with atmosphere.  It’s safe to start maintenance.

If a tell a coworker a tank is at vacuum, they know it will draw in atmosphere if the pressure boundaries are broken.  This can cause a hazard to personal.  If the tank is jacked with.  It can draw in air that may lead to process contamination, ruin system efficiency, lead to dangerous reactions with air, damage equipment. 

Telling a coworker a tank has pressure, is vented, or at a vacuum communicates clear operating and safety context and meaning.