Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

If atmosphere crushes denser objects always.  Why do denser objects fall through atmosphere?

Because they are crushed down after energy to overcome their dense mass placed the objects into the atmosphere in the first place.

26 pages to the thread and not one experiment outlined to show how one can witness and document den pressure acting in accordance to den pressure? 

And shows gravity still holds for accurately modeling real world events.

All you ever do is copy and paste what you think suits you.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 01, 2023, 06:52:47 AM

If atmosphere crushes denser objects always.  Why do denser objects fall through atmosphere?

Because they are crushed down after energy to overcome their dense mass placed the objects into the atmosphere in the first place.

You said they are always crushed.  There shouldn't be an after.  Thus atmosphere should be able to crush an object and keep it in place since it is always crushing it.

Communicating in this manner (on a forum) has it's disadvantages. That's why i ocassionally go fishing. Btw, I can deal with my current reality just fine.

Likely you can. We all have to deal with reality regardless of what we believe aside from the starkness of it.

I get it. You're an individual determined to walk your own walk.

It's not about me walking my own walk as such, it's about me looking for better answers to the one's that I was pushed along with as a child and even to my 30s.
I simply will not go with something that I don't necessarily believe is a fact, if it stands out as something potentially massively different.
This is where I'm at.

  But you're afraid of being sucked into the herd instinct - to follow the rest of the sheep.

I was in that herd instinct up to my 30s but much stronger in my early years as most of us were/are.
We all follow traits in many forms, whether it's a belief in family or friends or authority loyalty to specific people or ideals, and so on.
None of us are exempt from going with a flow, including myself but I'm much more careful in what I choose than I was in my earlier years.

  If none of this matters to you, why even bother replying? Aren't we all here, comparing beliefs anyway, in the form of our comments?

What I think of things matters a lot to me. What people think of me doesn't matter to me, unless they are close or family, so people can reply to anything I say with whatever they choose but I reserve the right to reply or bypass or tell a person their wording is pointless...just as they can.

You told me not too long ago that you were not going to respond to me as it was pointless and I agreed, but here you are doing just that, so what's with that?
You can choose to do as you wish, obviously but just understand that your little digs and good cop bad cop routine gains nothing more than a few smirks from me.
Your efforts are best channeled to looking deeper as you appear intelligent, so use it for the better.

Our comments betray our beliefs all the time. Surely you must know you will receive feedback if you broadcast your beliefs?

Of course but if I don't then I'll simply type in what I think and if it gains no reply I'll be away and read through to offer more replies to whatever.
Feedback is not a must for me.
What I offer is a teaser for the intuitive minds but I understand that I will be attacked by the usual suspects and I'm fine with that.

I know in my mind that some people will be trying to decipher what I'm saying and I also know that those who do will do it more or less silently because to offer up thoughts and questions to me would render them in the same bracket and attacked themselves by the usual weak suspects.

You must be looking for feedback, and others' beliefs and what they think of your beliefs, must matter to you.

Those that matter are those who have a mind to think alternately to the global garbage that is offered.
I respect anyone who has a theory that is alternate no matter what it is or how good or bad or ugly it may appear to look to a globalist intent on ensuring it gains no traction.


It is what it is and has never changed so I'm under no illusions about anything, yet I will stand by what I say and respect those who respect alternates to the global fairy stories.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:28:25 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 01, 2023, 06:52:47 AM

If atmosphere crushes denser objects always.  Why do denser objects fall through atmosphere?

Because they are crushed down after energy to overcome their dense mass placed the objects into the atmosphere in the first place.

You said they are always crushed.  There shouldn't be an after.  Thus atmosphere should be able to crush an object and keep it in place since it is always crushing it.

I'm not sure what you're gatting at. Can you elaborate a little bit?

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 01, 2023, 09:36:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:28:25 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 01, 2023, 06:52:47 AM

If atmosphere crushes denser objects always.  Why do denser objects fall through atmosphere?

Because they are crushed down after energy to overcome their dense mass placed the objects into the atmosphere in the first place.

You said they are always crushed.  There shouldn't be an after.  Thus atmosphere should be able to crush an object and keep it in place since it is always crushing it.

I'm not sure what you're gatting at. Can you elaborate a little bit?

Atmosphere is always crushing.  Thus an object that's not on the ground is also being crushed and thus crushed from all idrections as it is always being crushed.  So why do things fall if things are always crushed.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 01, 2023, 07:45:58 AM

26 pages to the thread and not one experiment outlined to show how one can witness and document den pressure acting in accordance to den pressure? 

And shows gravity still holds for accurately modeling real world events.

All you ever do is copy and paste what you think suits you.

Because you never answer anything.

Cite, link, quote where you answered the below question.

Why if I draw a vacuum on a chamber does a feather fall faster as the vacuum increases to the point a feather, Bowling ball, and a coin all drop at the same rate before perfect vacuum is reached, 

Quote from: JackBlack on June 01, 2023, 05:02:45 AM

You still aren't responding. Why?

Responding to what?

The fact that you have effectively admitted your model is garbge.

I get it, you can't rationally respond, so you resort to ignoring people, and then just insulting them.
All because you can't defend your garbage.

If you want me to respond more nicely, then try responding more nicely yourself.

Here is the big part you want to ignore:

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 31, 2023, 03:14:25 AM

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

Thanks for admitting your model is complete garbage, a fallacy, impossible.
Because that is exactly what you demand from your model. The low pressure air above overcoming the higher pressure air below to push an object down.

Because they are crushed down

HOW?
What magic causes them to be crushed down?
The higher pressure is below.
That means they are pushed up, not down.
You have even admitted that low pressure (above) cannot overcome high pressure (below). Meaning the air can't push it down.

it's about me looking for better answers

No it isn't.
It is about you rejecting reality because you don't like it, and trying to construct an elaborate fantasy to claim reality must be wrong.

If it was about looking for better answers, you would have moved on from your failed denpressure long ago.

Your efforts are best channeled to looking deeper as you appear intelligent, so use it for the better.

Have you tried following your own advice?
You only ever look at the RE and your model in an incredibly superficial way.
Try looking deeper, to understand how your model entirely fails, and your arguments against the RE fail.

I know in my mind that some people will be trying to decipher what I'm saying and I also know that those who do will do it more or less silently because to offer up thoughts and questions to me would render them in the same bracket and attacked themselves by the usual weak suspects.

And more delusional BS.
THose that actually want to understand what you are saying will ask questions.
Questions like "how does the atmosphere push things down? Especially when the pressure above the object is higher than the pressure below?"
"How does the air know to push heavy objects down, but light objects like a helium filled balloon up?"
Questions you can't answer, so you avoid at all costs.

There is no need for them to be silent. The questions they would ask to improve understanding would demonstrate fundamental flaws in your model. That wouldn't be getting them attacked.
Instead you will dismiss them as not honestly trying and instead just attacking with an indoctrinated mindset, or some BS along those lines.

Those who may be silent are those who are desperate to reject reality and are looking for excuses to do so. Because deep down they know that questioning would make it fall apart.

Those that matter are those who have a mind to think alternately to the global garbage that is offered.

i.e. those that matter are those that have already rejected reality and are desperately seeking a fantasy to replace it.
Not those honestly trying to understand how the world works.

I respect anyone who has a theory that is alternate

You mean alternate to reality (i.e. a globe).
To those with a theory that actually works to describe reality, because it has a globe, you don't respect them.
You have no respect at all for those who care about the truth.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on June 01, 2023, 08:36:50 AM

Communicating in this manner (on a forum) has it's disadvantages. That's why i ocassionally go fishing. Btw, I can deal with my current reality just fine.

Likely you can. We all have to deal with reality regardless of what we believe aside from the starkness of it.

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I get it. You're an individual determined to walk your own walk.

It's not about me walking my own walk as such, it's about me looking for better answers to the one's that I was pushed along with as a child and even to my 30s.
I simply will not go with something that I don't necessarily believe is a fact, if it stands out as something potentially massively different.
This is where I'm at.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

  But you're afraid of being sucked into the herd instinct - to follow the rest of the sheep.

I was in that herd instinct up to my 30s but much stronger in my early years as most of us were/are.
We all follow traits in many forms, whether it's a belief in family or friends or authority loyalty to specific people or ideals, and so on.
None of us are exempt from going with a flow, including myself but I'm much more careful in what I choose than I was in my earlier years.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

  If none of this matters to you, why even bother replying? Aren't we all here, comparing beliefs anyway, in the form of our comments?

What I think of things matters a lot to me. What people think of me doesn't matter to me, unless they are close or family, so people can reply to anything I say with whatever they choose but I reserve the right to reply or bypass or tell a person their wording is pointless...just as they can.

You told me not too long ago that you were not going to respond to me as it was pointless and I agreed, but here you are doing just that, so what's with that?
You can choose to do as you wish, obviously but just understand that your little digs and good cop bad cop routine gains nothing more than a few smirks from me.
Your efforts are best channeled to looking deeper as you appear intelligent, so use it for the better.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

Our comments betray our beliefs all the time. Surely you must know you will receive feedback if you broadcast your beliefs?

Of course but if I don't then I'll simply type in what I think and if it gains no reply I'll be away and read through to offer more replies to whatever.
Feedback is not a must for me.
What I offer is a teaser for the intuitive minds but I understand that I will be attacked by the usual suspects and I'm fine with that.

I know in my mind that some people will be trying to decipher what I'm saying and I also know that those who do will do it more or less silently because to offer up thoughts and questions to me would render them in the same bracket and attacked themselves by the usual weak suspects.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

You must be looking for feedback, and others' beliefs and what they think of your beliefs, must matter to you.

Those that matter are those who have a mind to think alternately to the global garbage that is offered.
I respect anyone who has a theory that is alternate no matter what it is or how good or bad or ugly it may appear to look to a globalist intent on ensuring it gains no traction.


It is what it is and has never changed so I'm under no illusions about anything, yet I will stand by what I say and respect those who respect alternates to the global fairy stories.

Ok, so is this a fishing expedition for you to find others with alternative views then? Also, I'm getting that you save your respect for only those who hold alternate views of earth and reality.

My good cop bad cop routine has served me well for the past 25 years as a cop. I did say some time ago, I wasn't going to respond to you, because it's pointless, and yet here I am again. I think you know you infuriate the shit out of people and you find enjoyment in that. I like mysteries and you are a mystery.

I'm trying to get to the bottom of why you value alternative reality views and explanations, so much.

 I think you know you infuriate the shit out of people and you find enjoyment in that.

It’s not the questioning of round RE.  And I think it’s more out of bewilderment at times.  It’s the false authority and pompous attitude of certain flat earther’s trying to use some imagined self ordained authority over items they are totally clueless in, trying to shame people with daily working knowledge flat earth principles fail.

Like this ridiculous statement in the context of venting and draining  a vessel for maintenance to equalize the system with atmospheric pressure to remove system stored energy from the pressurized fluid(s).

It can never equalize.

Note added. 
I don’t think sceptimatic goes this far.  But nothing like posting with FE’s you think are “open minded” in what you think is honest debate, then the next thing you know your being called a stupid sheep of the evil new world order because you can cite evidence the moon is a real three dimensional object while posting your own close up views of the moon? 

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:28:25 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 01, 2023, 06:52:47 AM

If atmosphere crushes denser objects always.  Why do denser objects fall through atmosphere?

Because they are crushed down after energy to overcome their dense mass placed the objects into the atmosphere in the first place.

You said they are always crushed.  There shouldn't be an after.  Thus atmosphere should be able to crush an object and keep it in place since it is always crushing it.

Ever tried to crush a wet bar of soap in the bath?
What happens?
You either crush it up or down depending on the energy applied to it and how that soap displaces your gripping hand.

So simply apply that thought to objects in the atmosphere as the atmosphere tries to crush up or down depending on the dense mass of the object against the dense mass of the atmosphere it displaces.

Have a good think on it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:53:42 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 01, 2023, 09:36:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:28:25 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 01, 2023, 06:52:47 AM

If atmosphere crushes denser objects always.  Why do denser objects fall through atmosphere?

Because they are crushed down after energy to overcome their dense mass placed the objects into the atmosphere in the first place.

You said they are always crushed.  There shouldn't be an after.  Thus atmosphere should be able to crush an object and keep it in place since it is always crushing it.

I'm not sure what you're gatting at. Can you elaborate a little bit?

Atmosphere is always crushing.  Thus an object that's not on the ground is also being crushed and thus crushed from all idrections as it is always being crushed.  So why do things fall if things are always crushed.

Marry up the above with stacked layering and see what peaks your interest, or not.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:29:05 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 01, 2023, 07:45:58 AM

26 pages to the thread and not one experiment outlined to show how one can witness and document den pressure acting in accordance to den pressure? 

And shows gravity still holds for accurately modeling real world events.

All you ever do is copy and paste what you think suits you.

Because you never answer anything.

I answer most of what's put but the answers don't suit you so it becomes a non-answer to you.
The fact is I answer, so either put your mind to work or carry on complaining and I'll simply bypass those complaints.

Why if I draw a vacuum on a chamber does a feather fall faster as the vacuum increases to the point a feather, Bowling ball, and a coin all drop at the same rate before perfect vacuum is reached,

No such thing as a vacuum and I have no cluw what you mean by draw.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:26:28 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 01, 2023, 05:02:45 AM

You still aren't responding. Why?

Responding to what?

The fact that you have effectively admitted your model is garbge.

This is why you get nowhere to be fair.

Ever tried to crush a wet bar of soap in the bath?
What happens?
You either crush it up or down depending on the energy applied to it and how that soap displaces your gripping hand.

So simply apply that thought to objects in the atmosphere as the atmosphere tries to crush up or down depending on the dense mass of the object against the dense mass of the atmosphere it displaces.

Have a good think on it.

How are my lungs being crushed if my airways are open and my lungs are equalized with the atmosphere.

How can I breathe if it’s not the contraction and expanding of my diaphragm drawing in and forcing out air. 

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 01, 2023, 10:32:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:29:05 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 01, 2023, 07:45:58 AM

26 pages to the thread and not one experiment outlined to show how one can witness and document den pressure acting in accordance to den pressure? 

And shows gravity still holds for accurately modeling real world events.

All you ever do is copy and paste what you think suits you.

Because you never answer anything.

I answer most of what's put but the answers don't suit you so it becomes a non-answer to you.
The fact is I answer, so either put your mind to work or carry on complaining and I'll simply bypass those complaints.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022

Why if I draw a vacuum on a chamber does a feather fall faster as the vacuum increases to the point a feather, Bowling ball, and a coin all drop at the same rate before perfect vacuum is reached,

No such thing as a vacuum and I have no cluw what you mean by draw.

See.  You didn’t answer even if the question doesn’t rely on a perfect vacuum.

Why if I draw a vacuum on a chamber does a feather fall faster as the vacuum increases to the point a feather, Bowling ball, and a coin all drop at the same rate before perfect vacuum is reached,

Ok, so is this a fishing expedition for you to find others with alternative views then?

In a way, yes but also an insight into why people choose to follow certain traits, so it covers everything to be fair.

 Also, I'm getting that you save your respect for only those who hold alternate views of earth and reality.

Not at all. I respect anyone who is respectful.
On this or any forum, I respect the words put in by whoever is behind them if they warrant it but I have no respect for the actual person personally because I have no clue who that person is or their real intentions.
Words at the time can be agreed with or disagreed with but the person behind those words may or may not be genuine in their mindset when offering those words.
Just like you on here. Some of the words you put in I respect and some I don't but I have zero respect for you as a person because I don't know you at all and you could be anyone posing as anyone, as we all could, unless some people have actually been open, which very few will.

My good cop bad cop routine has served me well for the past 25 years as a cop.

Maybe, maybe not. I have your words. You could be anything. It doesn't matter to me in that respect but your words on a forum are like anyone else's, they are treated based on input, not a mindset of who a person may be.
The thing is many people believe in personas and can be taken in by them in all walks of life.

 I did say some time ago, I wasn't going to respond to you, because it's pointless, and yet here I am again.

Such is life. Sometimes a few words are felt to be needed to get a response and generally, a person is hoping for just that.

 I think you know you infuriate the shit out of people and you find enjoyment in that. I like mysteries and you are a mystery.

Most people have the sense to bypass what I say if it bores them or they think I talk gibberish or they simply don't like the name and the persona.
Others feel they need to create a mission to ensure I'm ridiculed and when it isn't getting the desired result, even after a posse is created with ever-increasing nastiness, they become frustrated.
You know who I'm talking about.

I'm trying to get to the bottom of why you value alternative reality views and explanations, so much.

There can't be an alternative reality. You get one reality and it comes down to best guesses as to what appears to be closer to it for each individual, whether it's by personal investigation or following traits to following masses to form a belief system and to fit in.

Most people think they're independent thinkers.  The reality is, they don't exist on the whole.

I can state the question this way.  Why does a feather fall faster and faster in a chamber as a pump draws out an increasing amount of gas molecules below the amount found at one atmosphere until the point a feather will fall at the same rate as a coin or bowling ball. 

It’s just easier to say vacuum.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 01:42:29 AM

Ever tried to crush a wet bar of soap in the bath?
What happens?
You either crush it up or down depending on the energy applied to it and how that soap displaces your gripping hand.

So simply apply that thought to objects in the atmosphere as the atmosphere tries to crush up or down depending on the dense mass of the object against the dense mass of the atmosphere it displaces.

Have a good think on it.

How are my lungs being crushed if my airways are open and my lungs are equalized with the atmosphere.

How can I breathe if it’s not the contraction and expanding of my diaphragm drawing in and forcing out air.

Remember what I said about dense mass displacement of the atmosphere?

If you don't believe your entire dense mass of your body is under pressure then I can't help you.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 01:46:20 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 01, 2023, 10:32:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:29:05 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 01, 2023, 07:45:58 AM

26 pages to the thread and not one experiment outlined to show how one can witness and document den pressure acting in accordance to den pressure? 

And shows gravity still holds for accurately modeling real world events.

All you ever do is copy and paste what you think suits you.

Because you never answer anything.

I answer most of what's put but the answers don't suit you so it becomes a non-answer to you.
The fact is I answer, so either put your mind to work or carry on complaining and I'll simply bypass those complaints.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022

Why if I draw a vacuum on a chamber does a feather fall faster as the vacuum increases to the point a feather, Bowling ball, and a coin all drop at the same rate before perfect vacuum is reached,

No such thing as a vacuum and I have no cluw what you mean by draw.

See.  You didn’t answer even if the question doesn’t rely on a perfect vacuum.

Why if I draw a vacuum on a chamber does a feather fall faster as the vacuum increases to the point a feather, Bowling ball, and a coin all drop at the same rate before perfect vacuum is reached,

No such thing as a vacuum. And what do you mean by draw?

I can state the question this way.  Why does a feather fall faster and faster in a chamber as a pump draws out an increasing amount of gas molecules below the amount found at one atmosphere until the point a feather will fall at the same rate as a coin or bowling ball. 

It’s just easier to say vacuum.

Explain what the pump is doing in drawing out this gas.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 02:00:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 01:42:29 AM

Ever tried to crush a wet bar of soap in the bath?
What happens?
You either crush it up or down depending on the energy applied to it and how that soap displaces your gripping hand.

So simply apply that thought to objects in the atmosphere as the atmosphere tries to crush up or down depending on the dense mass of the object against the dense mass of the atmosphere it displaces.

Have a good think on it.

How are my lungs being crushed if my airways are open and my lungs are equalized with the atmosphere.

How can I breathe if it’s not the contraction and expanding of my diaphragm drawing in and forcing out air.

Remember what I said about dense mass displacement of the atmosphere?

If you don't believe your entire dense mass of your body is under pressure then I can't help you.

Which has nothing to do with if the lungs are open to atmosphere and equalized with atmosphere they can’t be crushed by atmosphere.


And has nothing to do with the chest needing to change volume to draw in and expel air.  Effectively putting mechanical energy in the system to move air. 

Remember you yourself said this as pointed out by jack.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 31, 2023, 03:14:25 AM

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

Thanks for admitting your model is complete garbage, a fallacy, impossible.
Because that is exactly what you demand from your model. The low pressure air above overcoming the higher pressure air below to push an object down.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 02:08:21 AM

I can state the question this way.  Why does a feather fall faster and faster in a chamber as a pump draws out an increasing amount of gas molecules below the amount found at one atmosphere until the point a feather will fall at the same rate as a coin or bowling ball. 

It’s just easier to say vacuum.

Explain what the pump is doing in drawing out this gas.

Vacuum pumps work against a close system .  That’s why they can evacuate an AC system of air and moisture so the system can be filled with refrigerant to work and not freeze up with moisture.

Now stop trying to avoid the question by lawyering it to death.  And stop trying to change the subject from the meat of the post.

Why does a feather fall faster and faster in a chamber as a pump draws out an increasing amount of gas molecules below the amount found at one atmosphere until the point a feather will fall at the same rate as a coin or bowling ball.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 02:11:08 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 02:00:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 01:42:29 AM

Ever tried to crush a wet bar of soap in the bath?
What happens?
You either crush it up or down depending on the energy applied to it and how that soap displaces your gripping hand.

So simply apply that thought to objects in the atmosphere as the atmosphere tries to crush up or down depending on the dense mass of the object against the dense mass of the atmosphere it displaces.

Have a good think on it.

How are my lungs being crushed if my airways are open and my lungs are equalized with the atmosphere.

How can I breathe if it’s not the contraction and expanding of my diaphragm drawing in and forcing out air.

Remember what I said about dense mass displacement of the atmosphere?

If you don't believe your entire dense mass of your body is under pressure then I can't help you.

Which has nothing to do with if the lungs are open to atmosphere and equalized with atmosphere they can’t be crushed by atmosphere.

Pay attention.

And has nothing to do with the chest needing to change volume to draw in and expel air.  Effectively putting mechanical energy in the system to move air. 

Remember you yourself said this as pointed out by jack.

What do you mean by draw in the air?
Explain what you're saying and don't copy and paste anything, just explain it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 31, 2023, 03:14:25 AM

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

Thanks for admitting your model is complete garbage, a fallacy, impossible.
Because that is exactly what you demand from your model. The low pressure air above overcoming the higher pressure air below to push an object down.

Pay attention.

To what benefit to you?

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

What do you mean by draw in the air?

See above quote from you pointed out by Jackie B in the context of what function the diaphragm provides to the lungs.

And you’re changing the subject again from the meat of my post.


How can the atmosphere “crush” your chest if you are relaxed with your airways open and your lungs equalized with atmospheric pressure. 

Is the atmosphere “crushing” an open and bone dry soda can? 

This is what “crushed” means.

How to Make a Train Tanker Implode | MythBusters

And why was the most crush from the sides inward?  Not top down? 

In den pressure.  Why can’t I stand on my head to exhale? Then stand up to inhale.  In den pressure you should be able to force a person to breathe by spinning them head over heels.  But that doesn’t work.  A person doesn’t breathe until some sort of pump is used to move air. 

Quote from: Smoke Machine on June 02, 2023, 01:20:15 AM

Ok, so is this a fishing expedition for you to find others with alternative views then?

In a way, yes but also an insight into why people choose to follow certain traits, so it covers everything to be fair.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

 Also, I'm getting that you save your respect for only those who hold alternate views of earth and reality.

Not at all. I respect anyone who is respectful.
On this or any forum, I respect the words put in by whoever is behind them if they warrant it but I have no respect for the actual person personally because I have no clue who that person is or their real intentions.
Words at the time can be agreed with or disagreed with but the person behind those words may or may not be genuine in their mindset when offering those words.
Just like you on here. Some of the words you put in I respect and some I don't but I have zero respect for you as a person because I don't know you at all and you could be anyone posing as anyone, as we all could, unless some people have actually been open, which very few will.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

My good cop bad cop routine has served me well for the past 25 years as a cop.

Maybe, maybe not. I have your words. You could be anything. It doesn't matter to me in that respect but your words on a forum are like anyone else's, they are treated based on input, not a mindset of who a person may be.
The thing is many people believe in personas and can be taken in by them in all walks of life.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

 I did say some time ago, I wasn't going to respond to you, because it's pointless, and yet here I am again.

Such is life. Sometimes a few words are felt to be needed to get a response and generally, a person is hoping for just that.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

 I think you know you infuriate the shit out of people and you find enjoyment in that. I like mysteries and you are a mystery.

Most people have the sense to bypass what I say if it bores them or they think I talk gibberish or they simply don't like the name and the persona.
Others feel they need to create a mission to ensure I'm ridiculed and when it isn't getting the desired result, even after a posse is created with ever-increasing nastiness, they become frustrated.
You know who I'm talking about.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

I'm trying to get to the bottom of why you value alternative reality views and explanations, so much.

There can't be an alternative reality. You get one reality and it comes down to best guesses as to what appears to be closer to it for each individual, whether it's by personal investigation or following traits to following masses to form a belief system and to fit in.

Most people think they're independent thinkers.  The reality is, they don't exist on the whole.

I think the word you were fishing for to describe block and overflow, is CRUSADERS. Honestly, it's like watching batman and robin from the old 60s series, battling iy out with the riddler or the penguin.

They have made it a crusade in life to refute all flat earther claims such as yours. Man, those two don't let any flat earther comment slip through their fingertips. They do it, by throwing science at you, straight out of the physics textbooks. They know physical science. But, neither seem to understand or acknowledge psychology.

When I said you value alternative reality views, well, you do. Block and Overflow value the mainstream reality view of science. You value the alternative reality view if den pressure.

Both look at real phenomena, but deviate in the explanations for such. Reality is subjective to a degree. Your reality is very different to Block's or Overflows. They see gravity while you see den pressure and stacking of atmosphere. Your mind is perceiving and filtering the same information differently to mainstream adherents.

As for what I am in the 3d world, away from this 2d screen, well, yes,  I could be anyrhing. I would never say what I do, to impress anybody, but purely as a matter of fact, and to offer a glimpse into the person typing the words you are reading. Do you have any idea how fucked up I am because of my job? Look at this forum I'm on for starters.

Hell, I might be really shit at my job. But it is a job involving gathering physical evidence and psychology. So, my job does explain somewhat why I'm such a hard nosed globe earther, just as being an astronaut or actual scientist might.

Overflow had no qualms telling everybody what his job in the 3d world is, offering a glimpse into his globe earth psychology. Block probably had too, but I forget.

Likewise, what you do for a job in the 3d world, might offer a massive insight into your leanings towards alternative views. You could bullshit, ofcourse. But, what would be the point?

Vacuum pumps work against a close system .
 That’s why they can evacuate an AC system of air and moisture so the system can be filled with refrigerant to work and not freeze up with moisture.

You're not offering anything.
What is it you're trying to offer?

Now stop trying to avoid the question by lawyering it to death.  And stop trying to change the subject from the meat of the post.

Why does a feather fall faster and faster in a chamber as a pump draws out an increasing amount of gas molecules below the amount found at one atmosphere until the point a feather will fall at the same rate as a coin or bowling ball.

Explain what you mean by a pump drawing our gas.

This is what “crushed” means.

Now understand what crushing is and what displacement and resistance is and you might start to get somewhere.

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And why was the most crush from the sides inward?  Not top down?

Weakest part of the container.