What is a woman? plus Last Supper in Paris Olympics discussion.

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JackBlack

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1020 on: February 07, 2024, 12:50:20 PM »
because the horse and dog, the F1 and the nascar, the male and female, are shown to be of different class.
No, no where near.
Again, there is massive overlap between male and female, in pretty much every aspect.
There is not between a horse and a dog, or F1 and nascar.

If you want to appeal to things like that, you need to divide it up such that the males that are not those elite males are in a different class.

If you would like a racing analogy, it would be like improved production over 2 L and improved production under 2 L.
Or the various competitions which divide into classes even among similar cars.

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1021 on: February 07, 2024, 01:09:23 PM »

MASSIVE OVERLAP!

Serena not as good as the top 350 men!

Take your pick.
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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1022 on: February 07, 2024, 02:42:41 PM »
MASSIVE OVERLAP!
Yes, with that study showing an overlap of 90%.

Serena not as good as the top 350 men!
Yes, 350 out of over 7 billion people.

How many men do you think are required for it to be deemed not massive overlap?
5?

Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1023 on: February 07, 2024, 02:56:17 PM »
ok

because the population is massive, there is massive overlap.

and of the population, one half of the population will NEVER achieve the upper 10%skill of the other half of the population.
So the one half population, let's call them F will be competeing agingst itself and the 90% of the other half, called M.
let's make an extreme example.

exrtreme example.
let's say there are only 100people in the world 50F and 50M.
the 50F can run the 100m in 10seconds +/- a fraction of a second.
45M can run the 100m in 10seconds +/- a fraction of a second.
but 10% of the M side, 5M can run the 100m can run it in 9seconds +/- a fraction of a second.

so 95people are racing for top prize of the lower tier 10second racers.
and 5people are racing for the toptop prize of top tier 9second racers.

will there ever be a fastest Female?
only if she beats out 94people.
will she ever be in the top 5?
no
becuase she phsyically can't compete at that level.
she is of a different class.
she is female
hear her roar.

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1024 on: February 08, 2024, 12:18:08 AM »
MASSIVE OVERLAP!
Yes, with that study showing an overlap of 90%.

In pre-puberty studies before the real disparity kicks in.


Serena not as good as the top 350 men!
Yes, 350 out of over 7 billion people.

How many men do you think are required for it to be deemed not massive overlap?
5?

Desperate, 7 billion are not competing, and in any case where it matters she’s 350th, apparently unfair to the poor males, born with an advantage and whose position incidentally would not improve under any of your facile schemes.
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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1025 on: February 08, 2024, 04:41:38 AM »
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2024/02/07/utah-school-board-member-natalie/

A great new option for winning at sports, just accuse your opponent of being transgender!
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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1026 on: February 08, 2024, 04:45:06 AM »
Thats what ive been saying!


The karens been doing it with "hair" viloations.
Now just making it easier to inspect girls genitles when they lose.

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1027 on: February 08, 2024, 06:38:29 AM »
You don't actually have to inspect anyone's genitals to determine their sex. A cheek swab and a sex chromatin test is what the Olympics used to do.

Anyway, the school board member who insinuated one of the players was really a boy should be fired. Since the law barring males from playing on female teams was passed, they need to find a way to settle these kinds of disputes without endangering the kids in question. You can't just point fingers at a kid! People are too crazy. The gendershit makes people crazy, and sports makes people crazy. Add them together and you get ultra-crazy people threatening a kid they don't even know is trans or not.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1028 on: February 08, 2024, 06:44:50 AM »
You don't actually have to inspect anyone's genitals to determine their sex.


New sex category for pornhub.


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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1029 on: February 08, 2024, 06:47:13 AM »
Don't give them ideas!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1030 on: February 08, 2024, 07:01:25 AM »
You can't just point fingers at a kid! People are too crazy. The gendershit makes people crazy, and sports makes people crazy. Add them together and you get ultra-crazy people threatening a kid they don't even know is trans or not.




Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1031 on: February 08, 2024, 09:16:26 AM »
They want to yank her nursing license for saying that you can't literally change sex. They want her nursing license for putting up an I love JKR billboard
Be interesting to see how that goes.  The UK courts have now, several times, ruled it is a protected belief and employers will be in trouble for sacking anyone over it.
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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1032 on: February 08, 2024, 09:24:54 AM »
Medical service vs gay baker is interesting



Because there have been cases of people injecting false vaccined saline.
People leaving fridge door open tp let vacc spoil.
"Do no harm" - who considers harm?

Vs

Baker wont bake a gay cake.
There have been reddits about people given gluten and regular HFCS coke instwad of diet becauee they dont believe in choice.


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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1033 on: February 08, 2024, 11:37:17 AM »
They want to yank her nursing license for saying that you can't literally change sex. They want her nursing license for putting up an I love JKR billboard
Be interesting to see how that goes.  The UK courts have now, several times, ruled it is a protected belief and employers will be in trouble for sacking anyone over it.

Yes, thanks to Maya Forstater! I think her case opened the door for the others to prevail. What was the latest one, Jo Phoenix? Hopefully her case will help restore some sanity to your universities. I don't know wtf it's going to take for the US to turn around. We are completely bombarded with bullshit all the time.

I think Amy won't know the results of her tribunal for several months. 
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1034 on: February 09, 2024, 05:22:24 AM »
Another win! https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68250071  (the Green Party is bonkers)

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1035 on: February 09, 2024, 05:43:45 AM »
Another win! https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68250071  (the Green Party is bonkers)
They didn't used to be.  They were all about recycling and renewables before.
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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1036 on: February 09, 2024, 07:03:53 AM »
save the whales
cancel to genders!



sidesing to the extreme!



stay-in-your-lane comes to mind.

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1037 on: February 09, 2024, 07:29:15 AM »

There was a time when a vague, we support all in their struggles, would have done, since then the labour party has purged itself of antisemitism, including holocaust survivors, and a new, proactive approach seems to want rid of those who have doubts about the party line, fucking idiots.
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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1038 on: February 09, 2024, 07:48:00 AM »
Haha

All or nothing!
And all or do nothing!





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JackBlack

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1039 on: February 14, 2024, 12:04:07 AM »
and of the population, one half of the population will NEVER achieve the upper 10%skill of the other half of the population.
95% of the population wont.

No need to divide it in half on sexist grounds.

exrtreme example.
let's say there are only 100people in the world 50F and 50M.
the 50F can run the 100m in 10seconds +/- a fraction of a second.
45M can run the 100m in 10seconds +/- a fraction of a second.
but 10% of the M side, 5M can run the 100m can run it in 9seconds +/- a fraction of a second.

so 95people are racing for top prize of the lower tier 10second racers.
and 5people are racing for the toptop prize of top tier 9second racers.

will there ever be a fastest Female?
Do you mean a female that is the fastest overall?
If so, no.
But in that second tier, females will win.

What you would actually need would be something more like:

let's say there are only 100people in the world 50F and 50M.
the 50F can run the 100m in 11seconds +/- a fraction of a second.
45M can run the 100m in 10seconds +/- a fraction of a second.
but 10% of the M side, 5M can run the 100m can run it in 9seconds +/- a fraction of a second.

But at that point you have all males beating all females.

In the extreme example you provide, the top female can compete with the 90% of males.
And those 90% of males stand no better chance than the females do when competing against the 10% of males.


Desperate, 7 billion are not competing, and in any case where it matters she’s 350th, apparently unfair to the poor males, born with an advantage and whose position incidentally would not improve under any of your facile schemes.
So how many tennis players do you think there are?
How significant a portion do you think that 350 players are?

How many of the people who aren't competing aren't doing so because "they aren't good enough", yet if they were able to compete and train would do better than Serena?
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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1040 on: February 14, 2024, 06:22:51 AM »
So a class called F
5of them out of 50 are able to compete with another class called M.
But this M class has 45 of them.
So this specific level of competetion pool is 5/(5+45) if we do not discern between the class.

Glad we agree.

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1041 on: February 14, 2024, 12:26:31 PM »
So a class called F
5of them out of 50 are able to compete with another class called M.
But this M class has 45 of them.
So this specific level of competetion pool is 5/(5+45) if we do not discern between the class.

Glad we agree.
No, that is nothing like what you did.

What you had were all 50 of them were able to compete with 45 of the other class.
So their contribution to the competition pool is 50/(50+45) = 52.6%

i.e. massive overlap.

And importantly, those 45 M have no chance with the 5M.

So what you really have are 3 "classes".

You have the A class, the elite, with 5 people in it.
You have the BM class, with 45 people in it.
And you have the BF class, with 50 people in it.

Except the only distinction between the BM and BF is an entirely arbitrary one not based upon performance at all.

If we instead go based upon performance, there are 2 classes:
A, with 5 people in it - which will complete in roughly 9 seconds.
B, with 95 people in it - which will complete in roughly 10 seconds.

Those in the B class have no chance to compete with the A class, they will never be good enough. So none of them will ever be able to the fastest overall. Instead, they can just be the fastest of their class.

Separating the BM from the BF makes no sense, and is just blatant sexism.

Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1042 on: February 14, 2024, 01:05:18 PM »
if one class will never achieve top level of the other class, then they are not of the same class.
they are by definition a separate class.

the top elite class of M being M, genetically gifted and effortally efforted, are of the class M.
the top elite class of F, being genetically gifted and efoortally efoorted, will never achieve the same level as the top elites of M, no matter how much more effort they put.

hurray
glad we agree that the category of "performance" blends and hides the "effort".



F class will never partake in the A category.
all you did was explain why the female sports teams don't get as much sponsorship money.


so the top 5females competing against a 45pool will not affect or "steal" a job away from a deserving male who is "equal perfomring".
the straight-white-male can hold his head high, no one will replace him.



it's sex-based, but not sex-discriminatory.
terhe is a difference.
come on now.

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1043 on: February 15, 2024, 01:06:04 AM »
if one class will never achieve top level of the other class, then they are not of the same class.
they are by definition a separate class.
So the BM are a different class to A.
The BF are the same class as BM.

So why do you separate it as M and F, when it should be as A and B?

A and B are based upon ability/performance/the possibility of achieving a certain time.
M and F are based upon sex.

the top elite class of M being M, genetically gifted and effortally efforted, are of the class M.
As you said above, they are NOT of the same class.
It is not just a simple M class. There are divisions inside, with people at the lower end of the M never able to achieve the top level or the upper end.

F class will never partake in the A category.
Nor will the BM.
No one in the B class will, because they aren't good enough.
Why should the BF get their own special division which the BM are excluded from, when the BM and BF have the same performance?

so the top 5females competing against a 45pool will not affect or "steal" a job away from a deserving male who is "equal perfomring".
You mean the 50 of the F group which you don't want to allow to compete against the 45 pool.
Instead, you reject those 45, allowing the 50 in the F class to take any prospective job in the B class.

In a non-sexist world from your example, you have the A class and the B class.
The B class is composed of 95 people, on equal footing.
But you want to deny 45 of them on the basis of their sex.
How is that not taking their jobs?
If you were to randomly pick 19 of them (to get whole numbers), then you would expect 9 from BM and 10 from BF.
You want to deny those 9 from BM, and instead give those jobs to those in the BF group.
And you do this on the basis of sex.
Sure sounds like "affect or "steal" a job away from a deserving male who is "equal perfomring"."

it's sex-based, but not sex-discriminatory.
terhe is a difference.
come on now.
You are discriminating on the basis of sex, allowing one sex to compete in the B division, but not the other.
That is sex based discrimination.

Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1044 on: February 15, 2024, 04:14:49 AM »
Because the B Mhas potential tobbe an A thourgh training.
There are in the pool the genetically ungifted.
But that is irrelevantly subclassing that any competirion will sort itself out by the practical method of comoetitiin.

Howeber an F will never achieve the upper level of an M no matter how much effort they put in.
Because if the M class puts in the effort they automatically have that 10-15% inherent advantage.



No
Each M and F class have their own A B divisions.
It is not discriminwtion.

The 45M compete.
The 45F conoete.
The 5F
The 5m.
Separately.
Pegging the 5F with 45M in a 50 pool ensures the 5D have a harder time at placing.

It is not just top dothesportthibg.
It is also top of class dosportandbegeneticallygoodanddoeffort thing.

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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1045 on: February 15, 2024, 12:06:37 PM »
Because the B Mhas potential tobbe an A thourgh training.
No, it doesn't.

Due to genetic differences, it has no chance. They try their best, yet fall short of A.

There are in the pool the genetically ungifted.
As are everyone else in B, the BM and the BF.
Why are you making exceptions for BF and not BM?
Again, it is about blatant sexism.

Howeber an F will never achieve the upper level of an M no matter how much effort they put in.
Again, no need for F and M.
A B will never achieve the upper level of an A no matter how much effort they put in.

You are ignoring their ability, including their genetics, so you can arbitrarily group them based upon sex, so you can then divide men and women to give an unfair advantage to the women by creating a separate class for them, while excluding the men that would naturally fall in this class.

As already pointed out, we can do the same for race.
Where black people, on average, have an advantage.

All it takes is looking at the past Olympic medallists.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-14679657

Do we need to separate black people and non-black people, because it is clear that black people have a genetic advantage on average?

Each M and F class have their own A B divisions.
Not in the example you provided above.
Lets stick to that.

It is not discriminwtion.
Again, by definition it MUST be discrimination.
You can try to pretend that discrimination is justified, but you will need to justify it, which you have failed to do.

Your argument is because other men are better, these men that are not better, that could compete in the same class as those women, should still be excluded purely based upon their sex.
It is not based upon their ability or potential, it just based upon their sex.

And that is unjustifiable sex based discrimination.

Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1046 on: February 15, 2024, 12:44:32 PM »
incorrect

yes there are some who are geneticaly "inferior"

but there are also those who never entered professional level training.

no one will know about them because they're in a different sport, too poor to get into it, or no interest/ desire/ parents missed the boat to train at that level.

Physical + Effort.


say it with me

Physical + EFFORT




yes
black people are the best!


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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1047 on: February 16, 2024, 04:38:52 AM »
Hahahah



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Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1048 on: February 16, 2024, 01:27:58 PM »
incorrect
No, my argument is quite correct.

You are arbitrarily dividing based upon sex.
You are using men who are better for whatever to exclude men who are not as good from competing in a lower class, even though that is where they should be competing.

Yes, there are multiple factors for why, but it is incredibly dishonest and sexist to pretend that all men should be capable of the performance of elite male athletes which are genetically gifted.

In your hypothetical example you tried to demonstrate the problem with my thinking, you just refuted yourself.

Again, you have 5 in the elite class, which can run it in 9 seconds. You then have 95 in the next class, that can all run it in 10 seconds.

Why should blatant sexism be permitted to exclude the 45 men from that class when that is what their performance indicates they should be in, and they clearly have no chance against the 5 elite males.

yes there are some who are geneticaly "inferior"
Which you only ever want to apply to women, not to other men.

but there are also those who never entered professional level training.
And there are plenty more that are both. Genetically inferior which makes them not selected, so they never bother trying.

black people are the best!
So why don't we have separate divisions for black people and non-black people?

Re: What is a woman?
« Reply #1049 on: February 16, 2024, 02:07:35 PM »
Repetitve


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