From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.

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When I want to go play in tidal pools at low tide, does FE offer better and more accurate predictions to schedule when I should go?

For a costal river.  When I row down river to get to sea.  Can FE offer better modeling and predictions when the tide will be going out?  So I don’t have to row against the tide coming in.

When I want to see a solar eclipse, does FE offer accurate predictions of when and where? 

When I want to see a comet,  does FE offer accurate predictions of when and where? 

When I want to see a lunar eclipse,  does FE offer accurate predictions of when and where? 

As pointed out by others, accelerometers are a thing.  Does Flat Earth offer better explanations and predictions on how and why they work?

If I want to photograph geostationary satellites holding their positions vs the trails stars leave in a night time long exposure, does FE offer better modeling and explanations.

Does flat earth make better predictions on the course of the sun throughout the day? Funny?  Looks like the sun on a FE would have to turn and travel north once over the USA?




What use is flat earth to me?  What use is FE in modeling and predicting with accuracy and dependability natural phenomena? 

Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2023, 10:37:08 PM »
When I want to go play in tidal pools at low tide, does FE offer better and more accurate predictions to schedule when I should go?

For a costal river.  When I row down river to get to sea.  Can FE offer better modeling and predictions when the tide will be going out?  So I don’t have to row against the tide coming in.

When I want to see a solar eclipse, does FE offer accurate predictions of when and where? 

When I want to see a comet,  does FE offer accurate predictions of when and where? 

When I want to see a lunar eclipse,  does FE offer accurate predictions of when and where? 

As pointed out by others, accelerometers are a thing.  Does Flat Earth offer better explanations and predictions on how and why they work?

If I want to photograph geostationary satellites holding their positions vs the trails stars leave in a night time long exposure, does FE offer better modeling and explanations.

Does flat earth make better predictions on the course of the sun throughout the day? Funny?  Looks like the sun on a FE would have to turn and travel north once over the USA?




What use is flat earth to me?  What use is FE in modeling and predicting with accuracy and dependability natural phenomena?

The flat Earth was known and accepted, when they first could predict ocean tides, solar/lunar eclipses, etc.

All our MAPS were based on the flat Earth, not a ball Earth.

How can they have ever mapped out a ball Earth, anyway?

Mapmakers have always used the flat Earth, flat surface OF the Earth, that's what ALL our maps were based on, in fact.

There's never been a ball Earth map, or a map with a curved surface of Earth, that's for sure...

Why would you believe the 'ball Earth' had anything to do with it? Because liars who say Earth is a ball, said that they could 'predict' when eclipses would occur, in future, because they had 'calculations based on the ball Earth', blah, blah, blah.....

It's nothing but the same old BS stories, made up to support a ball Earth lie, as usual.


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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2023, 01:34:38 AM »
The flat Earth was known and accepted, when they first could predict ocean tides, solar/lunar eclipses, etc.
Firstly, the FE was NEVER known, as that would require Earth to be flat, something which clearly isn't true.

Secondly, the ancient FE models you are appealing to have more in common with the modern RE model than the modern FE models.
For example, in these ancient models, the sun set, because it went below Earth and Earth blocked the view. They didn't need to care about time zones.

But more importantly, the ancients Greeks were good at things like that, by using a RE model.

All our MAPS were based on the flat Earth, not a ball Earth.
What maps?
The vast majority of the maps were based on a round Earth, with known distortions.
All flat maps of Earth which show a large portion of Earth have significant distortions.

How can they have ever mapped out a ball Earth, anyway?
Well a simple way is measuring the latitude and longitude of the points.
But you can measure angles and/or distances instead and do the math.

There's never been a ball Earth map, or a map with a curved surface of Earth, that's for sure...
So you have never seen a globe?

Why would you believe the 'ball Earth' had anything to do with it?
Because the RE model can explain so much of reality, while FEers repeatedly flee from simple issues because they can't explain it.

It's nothing but the same old BS stories
That does appear to be all you have, the same old BS stories.

Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2023, 02:30:17 AM »

The flat Earth was known and accepted, when they first could predict ocean tides, solar/lunar eclipses, etc.

Can you cite actual calculations off of the flat earth model that accurately predicted low tide, high tide, tide coming in, tide coming out, solar eclipses, and lunar eclipse.

Is there some ancient flat earth text / almanac you can name?  Some ancient flat earther you can name? 

Can you cite what century low tides, high tides, solar eclipses, and lunar eclipses started to be accurately predicted and why?

Or you are only hopeful of what you stated.  But you have no proof, have no works to cite, and only present BS?

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2023, 04:24:44 AM »
All our MAPS were based on the flat Earth, not a ball Earth.

All? What maps are you referring to?

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2023, 08:55:04 AM »
When I want to go play in tidal pools at low tide, does FE offer better and more accurate predictions to schedule when I should go?

What the frell is this?

Do your homework before posting:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170807153519/http://immanuelvelikovsky.com/NewtonEinstein&Veli.pdf (pages 9 -24)

No RE can explain the workings of the tides.

Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2023, 09:07:25 AM »
When I want to go play in tidal pools at low tide, does FE offer better and more accurate predictions to schedule when I should go?

What the frell is this?

Do your homework before posting:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170807153519/http://immanuelvelikovsky.com/NewtonEinstein&Veli.pdf (pages 9 -24)

No RE can explain the workings of the tides.


Ok?  Are you able to post an actual argument?

Or just link to FE propaganda?


Sad when a FE has to post something, but can’t actually post an actual argument for the actual thread. 
« Last Edit: March 25, 2023, 09:19:54 AM by DataOverFlow2022 »

Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2023, 09:18:55 AM »
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A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIDAL PREDICTION: A STORY WIDESPREAD IN TIME AND SPACE

https://m1ehst1819.hypotheses.org/1380

The Copernican Revolution, which stemmed from an idea by Nikolaus Copernicus (1473–1543) that the Earth is not located at the centre of the universe but that it revolves around the Sun with other planets, allowed for the development of a new genre of physical theories of the tides from the sixteenth century. Distinguished polymaths and natural philosophers of the time such as Francis Bacon (1561–1626), Galileo Galilei (1564–1642), Johannes Kepler (1571–1630) and René Descartes (1596–1650) all contributed their theories of the tides, with varying levels of success (Cartwright 2000, p. 25-34). These attempts were eclipsed by a tidal theory by Isaac Newton (1643–1727), developed in the seventeenth century as part of his gravitational theory. The fundamental principles of Newton’s tidal theory remain in accordance with scientific understanding today, although some deductions drawn from them are erroneous (Cartwright 2000, p. 35). Around a century later and following many suggestions and modifications by other natural philosophers, Pierre-Simon de Laplace (1749–1827) proposed a dynamic theory of the tides, which for the first time took into account the dynamicity of the response of the ocean to tidal forces. Laplace translated his theory into a set of equations, today known as the Laplace Tidal Equations, which describe this dynamic response of the ocean (Cartwright 2000, p. 68-81)


Now.  What is the FE model of offering accurate tide predictions?  And where are such FE forecasts listed? 

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2023, 09:19:33 AM »
Plenty of arguments written in those mentioned pages (9 - 24). The book was written by an RE, it has nothing to do with FE. Newtonian gravitational theory fails thoroughly to explain the tides.

You have the audacity to debate with me?

The weight of a capacitor can be increased or decreased based on the magnitude of the voltage which has been applied (electrogravitational theory).

In 1917, one of the greatest mathematicians of all time, Hermann Weyl, discovered the exact formula for the Biefeld-Brown effect.

Here is the Weyl-Ivanov formula:





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gBiefeld-Brown formula




FBiefeld-Brown formula



https://i.ibb.co/M1SJzmC/iv2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/9TBrSBD/iv3.jpg

https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0507082.pdf

Weyl electrovacuum solutions and gauge invariance
Dr. B.V. Ivanov

https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0502047.pdf

On the gravitational field induced by static electromagnetic sources
Dr. B.V Ivanov

Using Hermann Weyl's electrovacuum solutions, Professor S.D. Majumdar found the relationship between gravitational and electrostatic forces (Biefeld-Brown effect).

https://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.72.390

Weyl's original paper:

http://www.jp-petit.org/papers/cosmo/1917-Weyl-en.pdf

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2023, 09:21:57 AM »
When I want to go play in tidal pools at low tide, does FE offer better and more accurate predictions to schedule when I should go?

What the frell is this?

Do your homework before posting:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170807153519/http://immanuelvelikovsky.com/NewtonEinstein&Veli.pdf (pages 9 -24)

No RE can explain the workings of the tides.

Apparently you should do your homework before posting...

Immanuel Velikovsky (/ˌvɛliˈkɒfski/; Russian: Иммануи́л Велико́вский, IPA: [ɪmənʊˈil vʲɪlʲɪˈkofskʲɪj]; 10 June [O.S. 29 May] 1895 – 17 November 1979) was a Jewish, Russian-American psychoanalyst, writer, and catastrophist.[1][2][3] He is the author of several books offering pseudohistorical interpretations of ancient history, including the U.S. bestseller Worlds in Collision published in 1950.[4] Velikovsky's work is frequently cited as a canonical example of pseudoscience and has been used as an example of the demarcation problem.[5]

Planetary billiards
Despite all this utter bullshit, Velikovsky's legacy lives to this day: his planetary billiards paved the way to Zecharia Sitchin's planet Nibiru, which in turn mutated into Nancy Lieder's Planet X, which is one of the contenders for the late 2012 end-of-the-world scare, which has gone the way of all other such predictions by experiencing the ultimate refutation. Internet crank Robert W. Felix has piled a good deal of his own nonsense on top of Velikovsky's pseudo-scholarship. However we may hope, this hasn't disappeared since 2012 December 22. Another fantastic development of Velikovsky's planetary science centres around Saturn, and the novel notion that Earth orbited it within human memory, before the Sun came along and spoiled everything, never mind that the Sun preceded them both. [3]

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2023, 09:51:04 AM »
So happy youre back, sandy!

You have the audacity to debate with me?
You're quite full of yourself, aren't you?

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The weight of a capacitor can be increased or decreased based on the magnitude of the voltage which has been applied (electrogravitational theory).
How does this, or anything that follows, have anything to do with tides?

Happy you haven't changed, your strategy is still 'spam so much bullshit that noone wants to take the time to refute it all'.

You were asked a simple question. Please answer it.

Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2023, 11:07:04 AM »

You have the audacity to debate with me?



So.  What’s does the FE model predict for Florida’s tides for the next week?  Based off what modeling? 

Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2023, 11:10:48 AM »


You have the audacity to debate with me?




Flat earth can’t even correctly model the path of the sun…


Does flat earth make better predictions on the course of the sun throughout the day? Funny?  Looks like the sun on a FE would have to turn and travel north once over the USA?





Flat earth is stupid at this point.

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2023, 11:16:41 AM »
There is only one flat earth manual that you should read: the AFET.

Here is the correct definition concerning the course/path of the Sun:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1939818#msg1939818

Impossibility of a spherically shaped Sun:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1939765#msg1939765

Only FET can correctly point out the date of the next reversal of the magnetic poles.

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2023, 12:07:30 PM »
Only FET can correctly point out the date of the next reversal of the magnetic poles.

What's the date?

Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2023, 12:34:14 PM »
There is only one flat earth manual that you should read: the AFET.

Here is the correct definition concerning the course/path of the Sun:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1939818#msg1939818

Impossibility of a spherically shaped Sun:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1939765#msg1939765

Only FET can correctly point out the date of the next reversal of the magnetic poles.


You can’t actual show how spherical modeling is wrong.  And you can’t show how FE modeling and predictions are useful to me in anyway.

But you have propaganda….

How do FE’s calculate and predict the next solar eclipse? 

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2023, 12:51:09 PM »
Everyone who has ever debated FET with me has become a flat earth believer. Each one of them.

Can someone here talk some sense into this guy?

Here is the Allais effect: the moon does not cause the solar eclipse.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382
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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2023, 12:57:43 PM »
Everyone who has ever debated FET with me has become a flat earth believer. Each one of them.

Can someone here talk some sense into this guy?

Here is the Allais effect: the moon does not cause the solar eclipse.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382

I asked if FE modeling can accurately predict the next solar eclipse.

When does FE modeling predict the next solar eclipse, based off what?

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2023, 01:03:59 PM »
Everyone who has ever debated FET with me has become a flat earth believer. Each one of them.

Obviously not true. I haven't.

Only FET can correctly point out the date of the next reversal of the magnetic poles.

What's the date?

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2023, 01:24:53 PM »
But you have. Here you are here wasting your valuable time on an obscure forum, you are either a paid shill or you have lost your mind. You are one of the most devoted flat earth believers.

I have already divulged the date. To the very kilometer (divide the final figure [in km] by 1.5 to obtain the total alloted number of years, then add this number to the date of the last cosmic cataclysm). But, you are free to ask for it from your RE friends.

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2023, 01:47:58 PM »
But you have. Here you are here wasting your valuable time on an obscure forum, you are either a paid shill or you have lost your mind. You are one of the most devoted flat earth believers.

Yes, my post history definitely shows I'm an FEr.

I have already divulged the date. To the very kilometer (divide the final figure [in km] by 1.5 to obtain the total alloted number of years, then add this number to the date of the last cosmic cataclysm). But, you are free to ask for it from your RE friends.

Great. Where have you divulged it? Can you just copy and paste it or type it here? I did ask my RE friends, no one has ever seen it.

All you have to do is type MM/DD/YYYY. Something tells me that if you are unwilling to type 10 characters that you don't really have the date and are just making it up. Wouldn't be the first time.

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2023, 02:01:35 PM »
Your posting history definitely proves that you are either a paid shill or you have lost you mind. Over the years, your posts have become less and less coherent, which means your initial resistance to the FE side has all but vanished. You are a flat earth believer in disguise, no doubt about it.

By now, you should be very familiar with my messages: everything that I had promised that I'd accomplish, I did. I have divulged the date years ago, once I was able to calculate the distance between the tropics on a flat Earth (with a radius of 6,363.63 km). In fact I did post that at the time of Mercury's solar transit of 2019 something huge was going to happen, as that date had been inscribed on the $1 bill (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1726000#msg1726000 ).


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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2023, 02:42:06 PM »
Plenty of arguments written in those mentioned pages (9 - 24). The book was written by an RE, it has nothing to do with FE. Newtonian gravitational theory fails thoroughly to explain the tides.
It is either written by, or based on the work of someone who failed as a physicist and became an author to write BS instead.

How about instead of claiming there are plenty of arguments, you try to provide some.

And you can ignore all the BS which is irrelevant to this thread.

There is only one flat earth manual that you should read: the AFET.
Why would anyone want to read that delusional pile of garbage?
So much of it has been refuted, but that doesn't stop you pretending it is still all true.

Everyone who has ever debated FET with me has become a flat earth believer. Each one of them.
And more delusional BS.
Look at me, unless you are saying your feeble attempts to promote your delusional BS wasn't debate as you repeatedly refused to honestly address the refutations of your delusional BS and instead went off on tangents to pretend you weren't wrong?
Or that you don't actually have a theory, so it is more appropriately called FE BS, and you have never debated FET?

But I'm sure most people would consider that a debate on FET, and you entirely failed to support your delusional BS, so I have not become a believer of your delusional BS.

Your main strategy is to irrationally attack the RE with as much BS as you can throw at it, without actually providing anything to support the FE.
You are even quite happy attacking it with arguments which would work just as well or better against the FE.

I have already divulged the date.
Then it should be trivial for you to either provide a link to where you did it, or do it again.
But yet again, you deflect and claim to have done it.

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2023, 03:06:11 PM »
It is called bibliography: pages 9 -24 most definitely prove my assertions.

You have wasted seven years of your life and some 111 days online for this? Either you are a faithful paid shill, or you have lost your mind.

A single formula (Weyl's fantastic electrogravitational equation) proves you are wrong in each and every one of your assertions. By now, you are unable to even hide your preference for FET.

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2023, 03:09:50 PM »
A single formula (Weyl's fantastic electrogravitational equation) proves
Again, a single formula proves nothing.
You need evidence, and this doesn't support a FE at all.

If you wish to claim it is related to a FE, then you would need to explain how.
Stop just asserting childish, delusional BS.

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2023, 03:13:53 PM »
Once again, your negation of a formula which was obtained by one of the greatest mathematicians of all time, Hermann Weyl, leads everyone here to single conclusion: you are either a miserable paid shill or you have lost your mind. Neither choice bodes well for you.

Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2023, 04:39:26 PM »
But you have. Here you are here wasting your valuable time on an obscure forum, you are either a paid shill or you have lost your mind. You are one of the most devoted flat earth believers.

I have already divulged the date. To the very kilometer (divide the final figure [in km] by 1.5 to obtain the total alloted number of years, then add this number to the date of the last cosmic cataclysm). But, you are free to ask for it from your RE friends.


???

What does your delusions have to do with this?

Flat earth can’t even correctly model the path of the sun…


Does flat earth make better predictions on the course of the sun throughout the day? Funny?  Looks like the sun on a FE would have to turn and travel north once over the USA?





Flat earth is stupid at this point.

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2023, 04:59:13 PM »
Once again, your negation of a formula
I'm not negating a formula.
I am correctly rejecting your delusional claims about it.

A formula alone proves nothing.
You not liking this fact because it means you can't support your delusional BS doesn't change this fact.

You cannot even explain how this formula, from someone not know to every promote a flat Earth or claim conventional physics is wrong, magically leads you to a flat Earth.

Yet again, you are trying to find a problem with physics, and pretending that this magically means Earth is flat.
It is a common tactic of yours.
You know you have no chance at all of defending the FE, so you just use whatever dishonest BS you can come up with to pretend there are problems.

It is truly pathetic.

Now again, how does this relate to a flat Earth?

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Re: From tides, solar eclipses, to comets. What good is Flat Earth.
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2023, 06:12:00 PM »
By now, you should be very familiar with my messages: everything that I had promised that I'd accomplish, I did. I have divulged the date years ago, once I was able to calculate the distance between the tropics on a flat Earth (with a radius of 6,363.63 km).

And how did you confirm this?

And I could have saved you some calculating - The radius of the globe earth is 6371 km.

In fact I did post that at the time of Mercury's solar transit of 2019 something huge was going to happen, as that date had been inscribed on the $1 bill (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1726000#msg1726000 ).

Just as I suspected, you're making it up - You have no date.

An not sure what this has to do with anything, but not Mayan. You are wrong yet again. At least you are consistent:



In 1782, Samuel Adams appointed a design artist, William Barton of Philadelphia, to bring a proposal for the national seal.[2] For the reverse, Barton suggested a 13-layered pyramid underneath the Eye of Providence. The mottos which Barton chose to accompany the design were Deo Favente ("with God's favor", or more literally, "with God favoring") and Perennis ("Everlasting"). The pyramid and Perennis motto had come from a $50 Continental currency bill designed by Francis Hopkinson.[3][a]

Barton explained that the motto alluded to the Eye of Providence: "Deo favente which alludes to the Eye in the Arms, meant for the Eye of Providence."[4] In western art, God is traditionally represented by the Eye of Providence, which principally symbolizes God's omniscience.