Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #780 on: March 29, 2025, 08:27:38 AM »

*A simple illustration of the Sun's path:


The red line illustrates the path of the Sun, which varies in position between the tropics throughout the year.




The sun doesn’t move north and south across Northern America as required by your delusional map.  Especially on the equinox when the sun rises due east and sets due west.

Why do you post things easy to debunk? 

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #781 on: March 29, 2025, 11:31:38 AM »





Bulma.  Just more incoherent babbling by you.



The sun in your example is right there in the line of sight. 

There is nothing blocking the sun from view.

At night I can see Saturn that is a great distance away.

With a telescope, you can see the rings of Saturn.  And the moons of Saturn.  Where the rings and moons are not visible with the unaided eye.

Why can’t a person see the sun in your flat earth delusion that would always be in the line of sight.  Where the sun doesn’t noticeably change apparent size to any given person during its path. 

You didn’t answer the question. 

  Bulma.  In your provided example.  Why can’t the sun be seen by the person where the sun is directly in the line of sight.  Pink arrow.  You try to post in your delusion it’s because the sun’s light dies before reaching the person in your example.  But you claim the cloud is illuminated by the sun’s light that has to travel a longer and more torturous path to reach your person.  Purple arrow. The sun’s light has to travel down, reflect off some magical thing you can’t prove, up to the cloud, and then down to the person.  That path is longer than the line of sight path to the sun. 
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #782 on: March 29, 2025, 03:06:39 PM »
I was pointing to the uphill angle of this picture (I stopped at the dirt pile to show how well before actual elevation, distance appears as upward slope).
Again, this "appears as an upwards slope" is just simple geometry.
It would happen for both a round Earth and a flat Earth.
The distinction is that for a flat Earth it continues forever while for a round Earth it eventually stops and goes back down, giving us the horizon.

Look at the position of the dark blue clouds, genius.
And just more vague crap.
Again, what are you saying?
Based upon the above, I assume something like the angle of elevation of the clouds increases?
So what?
That doesn't mean they are climbing.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #783 on: March 29, 2025, 03:10:26 PM »
In the real model, the Sun reaches a MAXIMUM of ≈ 12 km in altitude.
You mean in your fantasy, which entirely fails to describe reality.

The red line illustrates the path of the Sun, which varies in position between the tropics throughout the year.
So why don't people in Asia see the sun rise in the north, pass to the east and then set in the south?

Your "real model" is entirely inconsistent with reality.

*Sunsets do not occur at the same time all over the Earth for three main reasons:
The higher the altitude, the greater the density of the aether layers. The higher the density, the more the speed of light is reduced, resulting in a delay in apparent sunset at higher altitudes.
And why don't you do some math to show just how different that would be, instead of just a vague assertion.

But just look at what you are appealing to, so many layers of unsubstantiated magic.
You need so much magic to have your model work.
Magic which you have absolutely no evidence for.

And what makes it even more ridiculous, you now have this magic aether pathways, so why does the sun set?
Why don't these pathways still illuminate the clouds from above?

You just have your magic do whatever it magically needs to do to magically produce the results expected from the RE model.

Alternatively, we can use the RE model, which just works without any of that magic needed.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #784 on: March 30, 2025, 06:48:02 AM »
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Why can’t a person see the sun in your flat earth delusion that would always be in the line of sight.  Where the sun doesn’t noticeably change apparent size to any given person during its path.

For the 1100th time, the parabola represents the narrowing perspective of vanishing point. That is to say, when the sun is directly overhead, it appears straight above us. That's a 90 degree angle. From sunrise to sunset outside that perfect high noon, we are looking at angles that are below degrees. You can always line the sun overhead vertically with the parabola, meaning that as the sun gets further away horizontally, it appears to dip, just as when it got closer horizontally, it appeared to rise. So, vision of the sun ceases after a point because angles are effectively the result of the ground appearing the rise into the horizon, and the sky falling into the horizon. Vision is at a meeting point that you cannot see past. If rays of light emanate into the parabola, you can see them. But the sun itself has "sunk into the ground" as far as you understand. As I understand it, it has not sunk at all, it is still overhead, but the image of it is gone.

The sun in fact DOES appear to change size... if you live in the desert. This part is explained in at least one of Eric Dubay's videos. The parabola is all me. He however, did do the perspective matrix.

I just drew an arc to show that this squares with that.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #785 on: March 30, 2025, 07:44:15 AM »
If you want to see the path that the sun traces from a flat earth perspective, look here:
https://astro.unl.edu/naap/motion3/animations/sunmotions.html
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #786 on: March 30, 2025, 09:39:32 AM »


For the 1100th time, the parabola represents the narrowing perspective of vanishing point.

Which is different than you arguing the light dies before it can get to the person?  Why you claim the sun sets?

Which has nothing to do with what I actually posted.



The sun in your example is right there in the line of sight. 

There is nothing blocking the sun from view.

At night I can see Saturn that is a great distance away.  Saturn is smaller and night as bright as the sun.  Where on occasion, different planets and the moon passes in front of Saturn from the relative view from earth. 

With a telescope, you can see the rings of Saturn.  And the moons of Saturn.  Where the rings and moons are not visible with the unaided eye.

Why can’t a person see the sun in your flat earth delusion that would always be in the line of sight.  Where the sun doesn’t noticeably change apparent size to any given person during its path.  So the sun isn’t changing relative distance to even invoke vanishing point.

You didn’t answer the question. 

  Bulma.  In your provided example.  Why can’t the sun be seen by the person where the sun is directly in the line of sight.  Pink arrow.  You try to post in your delusion it’s because the sun’s light dies before reaching the person in your example.  But you claim the cloud is illuminated by the sun’s light that has to travel a longer and more torturous path to reach your person.  Purple arrow. The sun’s light has to travel down, reflect off some magical thing you can’t prove, up to the cloud, and then down to the person.  That path is longer than the line of sight path to the sun. 
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #787 on: March 30, 2025, 09:59:14 AM »

For the 1100th time, the parabola represents the narrowing perspective of vanishing point.

Besides the sun.  What makes the moon set.  It really doesn’t change size or magnitudes of brightness.  If anything the moon seems bigger when it’s near the horizon.

If you think it’s due to perspective and vanishing point.  Then the sun and moon need to act more like the below.


NASA

The earth was proven and demonstrated to be spherical long before NASA.

Spherical earth answers,

One, why the sun doesn’t turn relative north after passing California.  It would have to on a flat earth.




Two, even from a mountain top after sunset why a telescope that can bring stars to faint to be seen with the unaided eye can’t bring the sun back in to view.  It’s physically blocked by the earth’s curvature. 

Three, night fall is literally the earth’s curvature casting a shadow.

Four, For a flat earth.  Then sun would not set.  “Perspective” cannot block the suns light and radiation.

Five, For a flat earth. For a person in California.  Not only would the sun change apparent size throughout the day.  The sun would seem to move slow after sunrise, speed up and grew in size for noon.  After noon, the sun’s speed would seem to slow down and the sun would shrink in apparent size.


Something like this flashlight coming at the camera at a fixed height






bulmabriefs144, your video is debunked.

It’s demonstrated the earth is spherical.

If you are invoking vanishing point for sunsets and the setting of the moon, then they should act like the light coming at the camera.

Appear to speed up and grow in size through out the day, pass quickly overhead, then they should quickly appear to shrink in size.  And seem to slow down from having less and less change in relative angle from the viewer.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #788 on: March 30, 2025, 01:17:42 PM »
For the 1100th time, the parabola represents the narrowing perspective of vanishing point.
So are you saying a tool for understanding perspective which is simply an effect of geometry, with the vanishing point infinitely far away?
Or are you saying this parabola is pure magic which magically makes things appear where they shouldn't?

You seem to love switching back and forth.
Acting like it is pure magic when it is needed to be, but then pretending it is just a tool for understanding when you completely fail at explaining it.

meaning that as the sun gets further away horizontally, it appears to dip, just as when it got closer horizontally
Except if that was the case, it would also be shrinking.
As explained to you repeatedly, you can't have perspective make it sink, without it also shrinking.

Vision is at a meeting point that you cannot see past.
Yet no such point exists, with us being able to see past the horizon to objects that are high enough.

If rays of light emanate into the parabola, you can see them. But the sun itself has "sunk into the ground" as far as you understand. As I understand it, it has not sunk at all, it is still overhead, but the image of it is gone.
Yet you cannot explain it at all.
Again, try drawing a picture, with a justification rather than just appealing to pure magic.

And while you are drawing it, explain how this allows the sun to magically illuminate the cloud from below.

The sun in fact DOES appear to change size
Not by any significant amount.
Make sure you understand the difference between glare, and the angular size of the sun.

This part is explained in at least one of Eric Dubay's videos.
Then why don't you try demonstrating your capacity to think by explaining it here yourself; rather than just appealing to your cult leader who has been shown to lie time and time again?

He however, did do the perspective matrix.
Which is just more FE BS to desperately try to have their delusional fantasy match reality.
We can easily tell it is pure BS, because as the sun moves along it, it doesn't shrink as the "matrix" demands it to.

I just drew an arc to show that this squares with that.
So you are saying your BS is equally BS, and that you know it has no chance of matching reality?

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #789 on: March 30, 2025, 09:21:05 PM »
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Yet no such point exists, with us being able to see past the horizon to objects that are high enough.

Yet you insist any objects seen at a distance beyond curvature is a "mirage."

So which is it?

Meanwhile, most artists understand perspective from a FE perspective, even if they don't understand that they understand it.

Photography.

Notice the vanishing point of the railway while the kid probably starves thanks to screwed up globalist policy.

Architecture.

The church more people should be visiting if we want the world to get back on track.

Landscape.

If more people lived in the countryside, there would be less poverty, crime, and pollution. But idiots in the city who have never seen an orchard or farm in their live think surrounding rural areas with alot of fucking solar "farms" is the solution to the environment. No, the solution is for you to fucking move out of the city, and work on a real farm for a few years. Maybe if we had enough crops to export, there'd be less dying kids in Africa.

This is the big picture. It's flat and wide as far as the eye can see. Stop bringing immigrants over where they can't help their country. Just like these trees, uprooting doesn't help anyone. There are still starving kids in Africa. It's a drop in the bucket. But because these kids

are too far away to be seen on a flat surface, you think it's around the world, so you don't have to look at it.  Or we flip their world upside-down (hemisphere joke) then congratulate ourselves for bringing them to a world that they don't know how to live in.

But woke globalism with its secular nihilism is the cause of all this. It's simple. The bigger the government, the more people have to pay for it. Just ask people in Haiti.  They make literal mud cookies while their leader lives in this.

What do you think, does he eat any mud cookies?

When we understand that the Earth is flat, we understand things are according to design. We understand that people stand upright and not on a ball. We understand that people can be decent if they live in a system that doesn't try to screw with their heads every waking moment by telling them stupid things that aren't so, while wasting money on things that aren't real.

$2 billion. How much it potentially costs to launch one of these stupid rockets to convince more people that the Earth is round. Or we could shutter NASA and make a program called FEHRME (Flat Earth Hunger Relief Meals Emergency), and every dollar that would be going to a space launch instead goes to feeding 14 million kids. Because that's how much $2 billion buys. Oh and ummm, with the money NASA guzzles on other programs, we set up another charity to teach kids sustainable farming and fishing. According to WFP, it would take $40 billion (my estimate was $100 billion based on those kids) to end world hunger. In other words, if we canceled 20 launches, we would have enough to give everyone bread and some shitty soup. As it is canceling NASA alone wouldn't cover that. But it would sure help!
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/fy-2025-full-budget-request-congressional-justification-update.pdf?emrc=67ea1209f3ec3
According to NASA's last funding request, they asked for $26 billion. If it were possible to move that money to where it wouldn't get embezzled, the US could feed half the Earth just by shuttering NASA. And I imagine Russia by canceling their space program could feed the other half!

Taxpayer cost doesn't go up, because this is the same money redirected elsewhere.

But no, you think it's financially worth it to continue a fraud. I know the sun sets on a flat Earth. You know it. Stop lying and wasting everyone's time and money. Do some good in this world before you die. Help vote to stop this shit.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #790 on: March 31, 2025, 01:14:46 AM »
Yet you insist any objects seen at a distance beyond curvature is a "mirage."
You mean plenty of recorded cases where mirages exist, where you then need to pretend mirages aren't real?

Meanwhile, most artists understand perspective from a FE perspective, even if they don't understand that they understand it.
Yet you continually fail.
With this simple art perspective, it follows how perspective would actually behave if Earth was flat.
Things get smaller as they get further away, until they are too small to resolve.
These "things" also includes the space between objects.
And that means you can't have the sun sink due to perspective without having it shrink.

And do you know what else it means?
Objects just "disappear" because they are too small to resolve.
They don't sink into the horizon with the bottom obscured.
Perspective alone cannot do that.

But here you are playing dumb and acting like perspective should magically do that even though you can't explain it.
And continually bringing up this BS to avoid the issue at hand.

Which brings me to another point they understand:
Even with perspective, if a light is above an object, it illuminates the object from above, even if it appears to be at a lower angle of elevation.


Meanwhile, you continue to wish to ignore that fact, and pretend that the sun can magically illuminate clouds from below while it is above them.

I know the sun sets on a flat Earth. You know it.
No, you don't know it.
You believe it.
I know it is delusional BS.
I know Earth is not flat.
So I know a sun couldn't set on a flat Earth.
I also know it makes absolutely no sense for the sun to set on a flat Earth while it remains above it.
I also know it makes absolutely no sense for that sun to then magically cast light upwards onto the bottom of a cloud while it is above the cloud.

And with how much you have to dodge simple questions, it is likely that deep down you know it to.

Stop lying and wasting everyone's time and money. Do some good in this world before you die. Help vote to stop this shit.
Follow your own advice.
Try actually explaining the magic that causes an object above the clouds to illuminate them from below.
And while you are at it, just admit you have been lying every time you claimed it can't happen on a round Earth and admit you have absolutely no reason why it couldn't happen on a round Earth.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #791 on: March 31, 2025, 03:39:29 AM »


Yet you insist any objects seen at a distance beyond curvature is a "mirage."



Quote who posed any such post for “any object”.

Is that what is in the post below?



And this is Chicago at 40 miles away. 
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New Buffalo, MI (40 miles from skyline)



https://yumyummatt.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/chicago-as-seen-from-around-south-lake-michigan/

Holly cow Bulma.  You can only see the very top of Chicago’s tallest buildings at 40 miles as predicted by earths curvature. What, three or four at most? 

Shouldn’t you see all the buildings on a flat earth? 

Still waiting on you to post that picture of Chicago you claimed was take 100 miles away?  What happened to vanishing point and light dies?

Bulma.  Your back to lies and butchering context.

All to change the subject from you  invoking the lie vanishing point is why the sun sets.  For you to invoke vanishing point, the sun needs to drastically change size during the day.  Which it does not.  It stays a constant apparent size.  Which has nothing to do with your other argument, the sun as a light source sets in your delusion because light dies before getting to your eyes.


If the earth was flat, the sun should do the below where there is no mechanism in your BS parabola lie to correct the sun would have to circle overhead for a flat earth delusion.


The animation isn't meant to convey that the sun (or Moon) moves in a straight line. It's meant to show that perspective of a very close and small sun would shrink as it moves further from you or you move further than it. It doesn't shrink like everything else in our perspective does.




If the earth was flat with a sun circling above it, changing relative distance to the viewer throughout the day.  Something you can’t get away from.  The sun would appear to move slowly towards you during the morning.  Seeming to get larger and larger while picking up speed.  Zoom overhead during the midday, large in size. Then seem to slow down and shrink in size.  But in a flat earth delusion the sun would always be in the line of sight.  No mirage needed.  Night fall is constant with the sun moving relatively below the earth’s curvature where the earth casts a shadow because of a rotating earth.  With earth staying a constant distance from the sun as it orbits the sun.


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #792 on: March 31, 2025, 04:16:01 AM »

Meanwhile,

The sunrise for Boston Mass was after 6:30 , after 10:30 UTC.



Bulma.  Notice the distance the sun can actually be seen.  How many people in such a large area can look up at the same instance and see the sun.

 Below.  The sun as it move throughout the day yesterday.



The sun moved throughout the day nothing like what is required by a flat earth. 

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #793 on: March 31, 2025, 06:37:29 AM »
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Follow your own advice.
Try actually explaining the magic that causes an object above the clouds to illuminate them from below.
And while you are at it, just admit you have been lying every time you claimed it can't happen on a round Earth and admit you have absolutely no reason why it couldn't happen on a round Earth.

See, here's the thing. Even if I were wrong (I'm not though), you would still be doing a good turn by shuttering a program that wastes money that can be used to help the poor and hungry on stupid displays that help nobody. Trump's biggest betrayal of the American people is not looking into whether going to Mars is actually efficient use of taxpayer money. Because they routinely rob the taxpayer blind, and do nothing to help this world, focusing on leaving it for greener pastures which may not even exist.

Space travel is all about patriotic sentiment and national pride. But I'd be far more proud if we did a "teach a man to fish" program. Spend our money worldwide to get the entire Earth self-reliant and able to feed themselves.

What's my important to you? The "truth" that you convince me with big splashy displays? Or the "lie" that I tell you, that comes with accepting that the world needs help, that can best be given by bleeding dry a government organization whose only contribution is science and propaganda in order to move those funds to outreach?

I have explained it. You can see with your own eyes that the sun appears to dip in the sky. You attribute it to an orbit and a curve in the land. But you have yet to demonstrate why it is that I cannot feel this orbit, and instead of a curve, I see that the ground slants upward in all directions. That's a concave not a convex surface, which is more consistent with a bowl than a sphere. This shape in turn better explains our tides than does any appeal to Earth's rotundity.

Data, I'm not changing the subject. I'm expressing that there is a larger reason why, even if you don't believe me, we should not be spending our money and effort in space programs to "prove" we are in a sphere and that there is outer space. What is the purpose of these? Well, it's supposedly to boost public patriotism, but the actual goal of such things is to dehumanize. To convince the world they live in a tiny dot, that they are unworthy even to gather up the crumbs (this is a statement from the Christian prayer book, but it always felt to me like something the Catholic church inserted in there because they wanted to shame the followers of Christ) of the rest of the universe. You're starving in Somalia? Good! Make way! There's a space program, and you don't matter in the scheme of things.
 Or... Earth is the world we have, and we are abusing each other with senseless wars and poverty, paying ineffectual leaders who hoard the money while blaming the rich businesses. Yeah uhhh,  Bill Gates earns $2 billion a year. Elon Musk earns $14 billion a year. NASA is 0.48% of government spending (1/200th) and receives $26 billion. You blame businesses, when your government spends trillions and some of that goes straight into politicians' pockets.
Shouldn't that give you pause? Oh wait, no, I'm probably talking to bots or demons or some other example of those without souls. I might as well be talking to a teapot for all the good it does.

You're pulling an animation out which is designed to hypnotize the stupid into accepting your idea. But the idea that it looks like this is based on the concept that the sun is centered overhead. That is also a flat circle that uses height rather than length and width as the metric. I've already mentioned this but the sun is an unchanged overhead height, that it is not centered on us, but only moves into the center during high noon. Everything about that animation is a lie, starting with the fact that it is an animator's depiction of what they think the sun should do on a flat Earth, not what I've described does happen on a flat earth.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #794 on: March 31, 2025, 06:51:03 AM »

See, here's the thing.

That you ignore everything that is posted then ramble on about a BS model that uses nothing bout make and doesn’t lead to accurate predictions concerning day to day life.

Bulma.  Address what was actually posted.  

Bulma.  Your back to lies and butchering context.

All to change the subject from you  invoking the lie vanishing point is why the sun sets.  For you to invoke vanishing point, the sun needs to drastically change size during the day.  Which it does not.  It stays a constant apparent size.  Which has nothing to do with your other argument, the sun as a light source sets in your delusion because light dies before getting to your eyes.


If the earth was flat, the sun should do the below where there is no mechanism in your BS parabola lie to correct the sun would have to circle overhead for a flat earth delusion.


The animation isn't meant to convey that the sun (or Moon) moves in a straight line. It's meant to show that perspective of a very close and small sun would shrink as it moves further from you or you move further than it. It doesn't shrink like everything else in our perspective does.




If the earth was flat with a sun circling above it, changing relative distance to the viewer throughout the day.  Something you can’t get away from.  The sun would appear to move slowly towards you during the morning.  Seeming to get larger and larger while picking up speed.  Zoom overhead during the midday, large in size. Then seem to slow down and shrink in size.  But in a flat earth delusion the sun would always be in the line of sight.  No mirage needed.  Night fall is constant with the sun moving relatively below the earth’s curvature where the earth casts a shadow because of a rotating earth.  With earth staying a constant distance from the sun as it orbits the sun.


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #795 on: March 31, 2025, 07:00:42 AM »
What you actually posted is wrong.

I am telling you why it is wrong.

It's not my fault you insist it's right.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #796 on: March 31, 2025, 07:03:34 AM »

See, here's the thing.

The sun is still literally in the line of sight.



There is nothing blocking the sun from view.

At night I can see Saturn that is a great distance away.

With a telescope, you can see the rings of Saturn.  And the moons of Saturn.  Where the rings and moons are not visible with the unaided eye.

Why can’t a person see the sun in your flat earth delusion that would always be in the line of sight.  Where the sun doesn’t noticeably change apparent size to any given person during its path.

You didn’t answer the question.


How can vanishing point make the sun disappear when the sun stays a consistent size throughout the day.

You claimed because the light dies. But for the light to magically bounce around you need something you can’t produce evidence of where the light of the sun has to travel a longer and more torturous path to illuminated the bottom of clouds before the sun rises.  Where you claim the light is too weak to reach the viewer.

Bulma.  You’re a hot mess of BS, contradict, and magical mechanisms with no evidence of existing, and your model still fails to make accurate predictions of actual life.  FE is useless. 
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #797 on: March 31, 2025, 07:12:45 AM »
What you actually posted is wrong.

I am telling you why it is wrong.

It's not my fault you insist it's right.


For the sun to “vanish” from vanishing point it needs to shrink first.  The sun doesn’t do that at all.






  But you claim the cloud is illuminated by the sun’s light that has to travel a longer and more torturous path to reach your person.  Purple arrow. The sun’s light has to travel down, reflect off some magical thing you can’t prove, up to the cloud, and then down to the person.  That path is longer than the line of sight path to the sun. 

You made some BS about whatever. 

That is not what was posted.  The path the light has to travel for the sun to shine down bounce off something you have no evidence of, reach up to the cloud, bounce off and reach the viewer is a longer path.

  You claim light dies with distance.

The distance the light has to travel in purple is longer before sunrise when you claim the sun can’t be seen because its light can’t reach the person. 

Bulma, which is a direct contradiction of your worthless model. 
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #798 on: March 31, 2025, 07:33:57 AM »
  Bulma.  Timelapse sunrise videos from one of the highest points where I live. The video was taken from about 700 feet above sea level. About 1200 miles to the east coast.  About 800 miles west of the Appalachian Mountains.  Looking in the general direction of Mount Mitchell which is 6,600 feet tall. There is no evidence of anything that would cause your needed reflection off the ground.  There is no large pool of light on the ground to show it’s even being reflected up.  There’s not even the shadows of the silhouette of the Appalachian mountains. 



But that isn't really what you see. 



Actual Timelapse of different days of sunrises. 

Time lapse sunrise 4-14-2024



Sunrise 8-25-2023


Long video sunrise Aug 15 23


Sunrise Aug 15 23



Notice how you make things up Bulma, and try to make long worded BS that gets lost in the weeds.  While other people just present a documented event. 

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Notice the cloud gets illuminated from the bottom.  From lower left to upper right over time in the timelapse.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #799 on: March 31, 2025, 01:42:59 PM »
See, here's the thing. Even if I were wrong (I'm not though), you would still be doing a good turn by shuttering a program that wastes money that can be used to help the poor and hungry on stupid displays that help nobody.
Notice the end of the BS you have said?
You are assuming it is a stupid display that helps nobody.
Soo even when you are considering the possibility that you are wrong (and you most certainly are), you still cling to this BS, rather than consider the possibility that you might be wrong.
And further below, you make the same kind of BS assertions about what it is doing.

You are aware NASA is what led to things like smart phone cameras and GPS?
Because of them we have satellites in space which can watch approaching hurricanes and we can try to predict their path to give people warning to evacuate.

They have done a lot which you just want to ignore and pretend they are just stupid displays that help nobody.

And they get so little funding it isn't funny.


But notice how yet again, you deflect to this pathetic BS, being entirely incapable of justifying your fantasy, or explaining what is wrong with the RE model.
This IS changing the subject.
And your claim about why it isn't, is also pure BS.

These space programs are not proving Earth is round.
We already have mountains of proof for that.
Your wilful rejection of reality does not change that.

In fact the very topic of this thread that you keep fleeing from is proof of the fact we live on a round Earth.

And with how desperate you are to ignore that and change the topic, to deflect, shows you likely know this fact, and you know you have no chance of defending your delusional BS.

You can see with your own eyes that the sun appears to dip in the sky.
What we can see, especially we use a solar filter, is the sun appear to go down without changing apparent size.
This shows it is not merely further into the distance. Instead, it is circling us, remaining roughly the same distance away and actually going down.
This is further shown with how during sunrise and sunset there are often views where part of the sun is visible and the other part is cut off by Earth. This is NOT what happens with perspective. With perspective it would shrink to a point.
We even further know this with how just after sunset and just before sunrise it shines upwards onto clouds.

All of this makes perfect sense on a round Earth, yet no sense at all on a flat Earth.
You cannot show any fault with this for a RE, and you cannot explain how it happens on a FE.

But you have yet to demonstrate why it is that I cannot feel this orbit
We have, and you ignore it and instead decide to tip the hypothetical fish tank upside down as you throw a tantrum.
As shown by countless observations people make in their day to day lives, YOU CANNOT FEEL VELOCITY.
The best you get is feeling a change in velocity, i.e. an acceleration.
And even then, what you actually feel is a force being applied across you.

instead of a curve, I see that the ground slants upward in all directions.
Because you intentionally do not understand.
What we see is basic geometry, that as the ground goes off into the distance, the angle of elevation increases.
This is NOT the ground rising.
This is NOT an upwards slant.
It is simple geometry.

And if you understood how computer graphics and computer games work, you would understand this.
So you are either lying about making games, or lying about this. Which is it?

More importantly, the clear distinction between a flat surface and a round surface is that this continues forever on a flat surface, while a round surface has it appear to stop and go back down, creating the horizon.
i.e. you can see the curve, you just choose to ignore it, because you don't care about reality.

You're pulling an animation out which is designed to hypnotize the stupid into accepting your idea.
Which animation?
Do you mean the one showing what is expected on a FE, based upon what we know about how light works, rather than your desperate need to pretend a FE matches reality?


Everything about that animation is a lie
Yet you cannot show a single fault with it,

Meanwhile, the garbage you present is a lie, with it entirely failing to match reality and you entirely failing to be able to explain it.

not what I've described does happen on a flat earth.
Notice the key thing there? It is what you have "described" happens, which is really what you have claimed happens, which is based upon nothing more than pure magic.
You cannot explain it at all.
How about instead of just appealing to magic to have your FE fantasy magically match the results expected for a RE, you try explaining it?

I am telling you why it is wrong.
No, you aren't.
You are just saying it is wrong, without any explanation as to why.
You cannot explain the magic which causes your magical parabola which magically produces the results expected for a RE.

The only way in which you can say it is wrong, is that it doesn't match reality. But that isn't surprising given Earth isn't flat.

If you want to say it is wrong, try coming up with a coherent model which can actually explain what is happening, rather than just the same crappy diagrams that explain nothing and the back and forth contradictions between your magical BS just being a tool for understanding, vs some magical dome which magically has the sun perform feats of pure magic to get the results expected for a RE.

Again, try actually drawing a simple side on view of this magical sunrise, clearly showing the path of the light from the sun to the cloud then to your eyes, explaining why the light is following that path.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #800 on: March 31, 2025, 04:37:45 PM »
Understanding and monitroing weather is very important for early disaster warnings nad future planning of mitgiating measures....


Huricanes and tornados...


Glacier ice and sea levle rise...




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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #801 on: April 01, 2025, 04:29:53 AM »
Says the person who can't spell "and".

Glacial ice melts. Then it refreezes again. As ice melts, it releases cold air. Enough cold air and water, and you have a glacier.

Global warming is a lie.

What is true, and what should be stopped, is destructive "ecology", calling tech "green" when it actually was made in an environmentally destructive way, has disposal concerns or building it kills plants or wildlife.

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There is nothing blocking the sun from view.

Do you see that big dome in the way? Unless the sun is above that dome, it will not be projected.

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You claim light dies with distance. That light is longer than...

What I mean by light dies with distance is that the way we see consists of two things:
1. Scattering photons
2. Narrowing field of vision

We can potentially see a tall and wide object such as a mountain from miles away, and while at a high altitude we can see for miles. But that purple line is not distance in a straight line. What our eyes are actually looking at is the middle purple arrow. It isn't bouncing to us, we are looking toward it (so that downward arrow from the clouds isn't there). And we can't see light outside of what is projected, so the distance of the first arrow only matters at a certain point, namely when light reaches a low enough angle and scatters enough that we don't see it.

Or if it doesn't hit the parabola.

You're right though, this is not a good model, lemme draw another later on.
Maybe then you'll understand (hope springs eternal).

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Bulma.  Timelapse sunrise videos from one of the highest points where I live

Your videos are all fisheye, I can tell that before watching. You work for NASA, no? How many weeks in the studio did these take? It can't be the date you timestamped it as, that's for sure! Also, I won't support your video having over twenty views.

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YOU CANNOT FEEL VELOCITY

You can, though. Get in a car, and without ever changing speed, do a serpentine turn. Then a hairpin turn. You will feel whiplash. Velocity is speed and direction. A change in speed, means movement back or forward. A change in direction also jerks you around. This is at speeds of under 90 mph. The Earth supposedly rotates at 1000+ mph, orbits at 66,600 mph, and wobbles at whatever speed. Just the change of direction during the wobble would be enough to feel the other two.

Also, you're screaming.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #802 on: April 01, 2025, 05:47:06 AM »


Glacial ice melts.

Babbling that has nothing to do with if you want to invoke vanishing point why the sun sets, it actually needs to do something than stay a consistent size through the day.  The sun doesn’t even shrink through the day.  So it’s stupid to claim vanishing point.

The sun still needs to visibly turn to circle a flat earth.  The sun doesn’t do that especially on the equinox when it rises due east and sets due west.

The path the light has to travel to illuminate the cloud in your BS argument is still longer than just the line of sight path to the sun where you claim light dies with distance.


The sun is still literally in the line of sight.



There is nothing blocking the sun from view.





Your videos are all fisheye,

Which has nothing to do with what was actually posted.

  Bulma.  Timelapse sunrise videos from one of the highest points where I live. The video was taken from about 700 feet above sea level. About 1200 miles to the east coast.  About 800 miles west of the Appalachian Mountains.  Looking in the general direction of Mount Mitchell which is 6,600 feet tall. There is no evidence of anything that would cause your needed reflection off the ground.  There is no large pool of light on the ground to show it’s even being reflected up.  There’s not even the shadows of the silhouette of the Appalachian mountains. 



But that isn't really what you see. 



Actual Timelapse of different days of sunrises. 

Time lapse sunrise 4-14-2024



Sunrise 8-25-2023


Long video sunrise Aug 15 23


Sunrise Aug 15 23



Notice how you make things up Bulma, and try to make long worded BS that gets lost in the weeds.  While other people just present a documented event. 

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Notice the cloud gets illuminated from the bottom.  From lower left to upper right over time in the timelapse.


Bulma.  No matter how much magic you invoke the sun doesn’t shrink, the doesn’t turn in the sky, light doesn’t die for the sun being a light source directly in the line of sight needed for you FE BS that is useless at predicting the real world.


Meanwhile,

The sunrise for Boston Mass was after 6:30 , after 10:30 UTC.



Bulma.  Notice the distance the sun can actually be seen.  How many people in such a large area can look up at the same instance and see the sun.

 Below.  The sun as it move throughout the day yesterday.



The sun moved throughout the day nothing like what is required by a flat earth.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #803 on: April 01, 2025, 06:34:44 AM »
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YOU CANNOT FEEL VELOCITY

You can, though. Get in a car, and without ever changing speed, do a serpentine turn. Then a hairpin turn. You will feel whiplash. Velocity is speed and direction. A change in speed, means movement back or forward. A change in direction also jerks you around.
So you’re not feeling the velocity but the change in velocity (also known as acceleration).  Glad that you’re finally getting it.

This is at speeds of under 90 mph. The Earth supposedly rotates at 1000+ mph, orbits at 66,600 mph, and wobbles at whatever speed. Just the change of direction during the wobble would be enough to feel the other two.
Well, so much for getting it.  I keep telling you to do the math.  The numbers may look scary, but the math shows that the actual forces resulting from those scary numbers are pretty small and you have been acclimated to them since birth.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #804 on: April 01, 2025, 07:28:13 AM »
No.

Change in velocity is a change in speed or direction. In other words, an acceleration or deceleration causes a lurch, just as a sudden swerve left or right. A wobble of the Earth, would be akin to it being bounced on a speed bump or pothole. Surely you can tell me how that feels.

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The numbers may look scary, but the math shows that the actual forces resulting from those scary numbers are pretty small and you have been acclimated to them since birth.

So ummm, what about a chair? A file cabinet? A house? Surely, not being alive, they also have "acclimated" to the sudden shifts? Oh wait, no, they can't. In actual fact, if it were simply a matter of acclimation to "big numbers" as you put it, then nonliving objects should show us the truth as they shift, but we don't. But indeed they do show us the truth. Nothing is happening. Not a 1000 mph / Earth's total circumference movement, nor a 66,600 mph / the same. Not a 0.000000000000000000000001 mph movement. No movement at all. No matter how many days I wait, the file cabinet will remain in the same exact spot.

Now, I promised a better model of these upward rays earlier so here one is.



The sun's rays pass into the vertical field of the parabola and are projected. The sun itself, however, is not. As you said, it has set.

Btw, this is not some oversimplification, where the sun's rays actually are billions of miles away. There is a limit to how far away the rays of the sun can be seen, just as there's a limit to how far away the sun itself can be seen.  If I shift the sun and its rays over here...


Do you get it yet? Or do I have to explain again? This is why I know I am not the moron. Because I explain things, and you do not understand. Meanwhile, I have no trouble understanding your stupid rationalizations.

The sun's elevation has not changed. Only its distance. The projection changes angle with regard to distance. Now, this is a model, and the sun is higher than this. But it should give you an idea, if you were to use even 10% of your brainpower. Of course, if you use 100%, you have psychic powers, cuz that's totally how things work.


I'm afraid it isn't.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #805 on: April 01, 2025, 07:40:32 AM »

For the 1100th time, the parabola represents the narrowing perspective of vanishing point.

Which is stupid to post because the sun stays a constant size as it travels through the day.  It doesn’t shrink in size through the day then just wink out of existence.  Where the sun in the morning should grow in size after sunrise, but doesn’t.  Showing the sun stays the same relative distance from the viewer through the day.  Where on a flat earth the sun has to change relative distance minute by minute.

Bulma, where you posted light dies with distance. 


The path the light has to travel to illuminate the cloud in your BS argument is still longer than just the line of sight path to the sun where you claim light dies with distance.


The sun is still literally in the line of sight.



There is nothing blocking the sun from view.

Where we know light doesn’t die as your delusion needs.

At night I can see Saturn that is a great distance away.  It’s smaller, not as bright as the sun, and is know to be a greater distance than earth’s moon and even Jupiter.  And is proven so how earth’s moon and Jupiter pass around in the solar system. 

With a telescope, you can see the rings of Saturn.  And the moons of Saturn.  Where the rings and moons are not visible with the unaided eye.

Why can’t a person see the sun in your flat earth delusion that would always be in the line of sight.  Where the sun doesn’t noticeably change apparent size to any given person during its path.


And your model still fails to address the sun still needs to visibly turn to circle a flat earth.  The sun doesn’t do that especially on the equinox when it rises due east and sets due west.

Bulma.  Your BS fails to predicted what is actually witnessed through the solar system.  Bulma, your model is useless. 

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #806 on: April 01, 2025, 07:50:15 AM »
Bulma. Just a little FYI that you lie about the solar system and the nature of light.  Or at a minimum, don’t care about what is actually proven, documented, and known.  Looking forward to you trying to change the subject because FE can’t handle reality. Or your slanderous it’s “fake” with providing no proof.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #807 on: April 01, 2025, 08:52:33 AM »
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There is nothing blocking the sun from view.

The sun "sinks" into the horizon.

That is to say, when the sun is directly overhead, it is at 90 degrees. Before and after that, it might be at 85 degrees. Then 75 degrees or something. Then 60 degrees. Then 45 degrees. 15 degrees. 5 degrees. And at a certain distance, you simple cannot see it. Over and over, and you don't get it.

27 pages of you not understanding what should be a simple concept. You guys have taken to calling me a moron.

Projecting much?

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #808 on: April 01, 2025, 10:23:47 AM »
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There is nothing blocking the sun from view.

The sun "sinks" into the horizon.


No.  When it sets, the sun gets ever more blocked from view by the earth’s curvature. 

Which isn’t even the argument.


For the 1100th time, the parabola represents the narrowing perspective of vanishing point.

Which is stupid to post because the sun stays a constant size as it travels through the day.  It doesn’t shrink in size through the day then just wink out of existence.  Where the sun in the morning should grow in size after sunrise, but doesn’t.  Showing the sun stays the same relative distance from the viewer through the day.  Where on a flat earth the sun has to change relative distance minute by minute.

Bulma, where you posted light dies with distance. 


The path the light has to travel to illuminate the cloud in your BS argument is still longer than just the line of sight path to the sun where you claim light dies with distance.


The sun is still literally in the line of sight.



There is nothing blocking the sun from view.

Where we know light doesn’t die as your delusion needs.


  Bulma.  You are completely ignoring the sun stays a consistent size as it travels its path during the day.  Where it needs to change size minute by minute on a flat earth delusion where it is constantly is changing distance from the viewer throughout the day.

Bulma.  If you want to invoke vanishing point.  The sun needs to shrink all afternoon and evening.  It’s doesn’t do that.

Bulma.  You are running from the real argument.  And trying to change that argument.

And that still leaves in your delusion the light needs to bounce off the cloud and travel a longer distance where you claim light dies by distance.  Breaking your own model.

And that still leaves the sun’s path  should visibly turn in the sky, but doesn’t especially during the equinox when the sun rises due east and sets due west.

Bulma.  Your model is useless at predicting day to day occurrences.  And what is actually witnessed. 
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #809 on: April 01, 2025, 10:53:05 AM »
No.

Change in velocity is a change in speed or direction. In other words, an acceleration or deceleration causes a lurch, just as a sudden swerve left or right. A wobble of the Earth, would be akin to it being bounced on a speed bump or pothole. Surely you can tell me how that feels.
You keep talking about sudden changes in speed or direction.  What about more subtle changes?  Take a sharp corner with a radius of 100 feet at 70 mph and you will certainly feel the acceleration.  But what if you take a wide, sweeping turn with a radius of 1000 feet at the same 70 mph?  Will you feel a sudden lurch or will you barely notice it?  Now scale that up to 1000 mph on a curve with a 4000 mile radius and tell me what you think you should feel.
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