Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

Classic missing the point.

Me?

Bulma.  How about instead of butchering and lying about specific meanings and definitions.  Ignoring context.

Bulma.  How about you address a simple and honest question out of obvious observations.  Without trying to change definitions by using falsehoods.

How about instead of babbling about some fantasy Bulma,  why don’t you focus on the meaning of solar noon and how it relates to a solar day.  And why solar noon would drift over time as you imply if the earth rotates at a constant speed.

Bulma, if you think the sun is making a circuit above the earth like an airplane at a pylon race.  Then for somebody in Ohio, then would have to greatly change distance and thus the sun would have to greatly change apparent size through the day.

Solar noon is based on when the sun is at zenith point.

If the earth rotates at a consistent speed which is the bases of a solar day as solar noon as a reference.  Why would the days drift as you imply if the earth rotates at a consistent speed.  Where solar noon actually does drift a bit back and forth. 

Bulma… Good thing you like AI

The fact that it is "measured from one local noon to the next" does not in any way affect the angle of incident of sunlight.

Really?  In what context as discussed before?

Been over Lahaina noon.

LAHAINA NOON IN HAWAIʻI: WHEN AND WHERE TO SEE IT (2025)

Did you know there’s a moment in Hawaiʻi when your shadow completely disappears? This rare tropical phenomenon, known as Lāhainā Noon, happens only twice a year—and only in the tropics. Here’s everything you need to know to witness it.




https://www.lovebigisland.com/hawaii-blog/lahaina-noon-when-and-where/

Path of the sun..

For a flat earth, the sun would orbit the northern celestial pole like this…



So time lapse photography should result in the sun making a circle around the celestial North Pole like one nights worth of star trails?  Similar like this?


https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cd57d59ca525b7e9eae595c/a3311d67-06f0-460b-8122-3b19dc423ff8/Startrail+northern+light+w+watermark.jpg

The sun should circle the celestial North Pole on a FE.

But the sun does this…. For six months…


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Again.  Flat earth soundly debunked…

There is a person on YouTube,
Jos Leys? The individual likes to do computer models and set them to music. 

The individual also shows flat earth modeling vs reality.  Usually for sun and shadows.

Debunking flat Earth using only a stick.

The below video by the same person shows the actual path the stick shadow traveled in France for a time around the equinox.

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

You do understand bridges are made to be dynamic?  Like skyscrapers.  Anyway..



Volgograd Bridge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd_Bridge

They did have to find away to dampen the motions of the Volgograd Bridge.  But bridges have to be dynamic.  But you think they can’t build a road on a shallow curvature?

Bulma. Why do you post stupid crap? 

You can't explain it.

Yet we can, and have repeatedly, with you just ignoring the explanations.

Actually no. Sidereal days are used because they are a rule patch. As Eric Dubay, myself, and other flat Earthers have noticed

You mean as you and other lying POS like your cult leader have lied to everyone about.

Where you desperately pretend the rotation period of Earth is exactly 24 hours, to pretend there is a problem.'
But that is you making up a strawman of the model.

In reality, the period of rotation is not exactly 24 hours. It is closer to 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds.

The RE high priests say it never happens because half of the days are solar and half are sidereal.

No, they don't.
Again, that is your pathetic, desperate strawman, because you can't show any actual fault with the model.
Instead, sane people say if you want to use the period of Earth's rotation then you use sidereal days, if you want to use solar time, then you use solar days or mean solar days.
Again, just like trying to measure time using lunar months or calendar months.
It isn't alternating back and forth, they are 2 different methods to measure the same periods of time.
1 year is ~365 mean solar days and ~366 sidereal days.

there are 5° extra that need to be accounted for

No, there isn't, because it isn't exactly 1 degree each day.

tides

Again, nothing to do with sunrise and sunsets, and you are yet to show any problem, instead you just assert crap.

Classic missing the point.

That does seem to be the main thing you do.

Solar noon is based on when the sun is at zenith point.

And if you use solar time, that will be at 12 pm each day. If you use mean solar time, that will drift slightly, but it will average to 12 pm.
And if you use sidereal time, then it will drift over the course of a year, so half way through the year it would be at ~12 am.

Notice that it is not repeating your lie? That our clocks are based upon the period of rotation being exactly 24 hours?


Notice how you still have to lie about the RE model to pretend their are faults; repeating the same refuted BS again and again?

And notice how you still make no attempt at all to even defend your delusional BS?
Likely because you know you can't?
That you have absolutely no way to explain something as simple as why the sun rises and sets, or why the further south you go during the southern summer the more daylight hours you get?

It could have something to do with the fact that I hear the same talking points and see the same pictures over and over again, while you choose to dodge points in favor of... swinging bridges.

The modern way we build bridges has nothing to do with the fact that are in fact built level.

You're talking force reduction methods as though it has anything at all to do with this supposed curvature drop.

A rope bridge swings in the wind too. A stone bridge, swinging in the wind? Yeah, it falls apart. Like your argument. You're universalizing. "All bridges work the same, so Earth is round (or something)."


In fact (AGAIN, stop fucking making me repeat myself), curvature creates tension that is incompatible with creating bridges.

Stock pictures while dodging the question

AGAIN. Where is the 6pm sunrise? This is a sunrise impossible on a flat Earth. No adjustment in time is never made for such supposed changes. We get shorter and long days. That's it. And for the record, in my upstairs room during the summer, it is literally hot as fuck at night. Something which should be impossible if all it takes for winter weather is a slight difference in tilt. For the sun to be hot in day and night, this doesn't cut it.

First of all, the northern and southern hemisphere are both getting getting direct sun whereas the backside is well blocked by the front.  Hmmm direct sunlight or shade, which is colder... let me think... Second, you have never adequately explained about this tilt. If Earth's front is tilted down, then as it turns, the backside would have to suddenly tilt down to also also have summer conditions. In two ways, the eastern and western hemisphere should have a profound difference from day to night, whereas the northern and southern hemisphere do not have major difference during the same season.
In a FE, however, during summer, the northern hemisphere should get  barely any difference from day and night, while the souther hemisphere should get pronounced differences, because we are talking about wider stretches of land and water that the sun deals with (a center vs an edge).

In New Zealand, temperatures vary by month and location. Generally, summer months (December to February) have daytime highs around 20-30°C (68-86°F) and nighttime lows of 10-15°C (50-59°F), while winter months (June to August) see daytime highs of 10-15°C (50-59°F) and nighttime lows around 0-5°C (32-41°F) in many areas.

The day night temperatures in Virginia? 69°F at night 74° during the day. Versus 20° difference? That's not an angle thing. That's a radius difference thing, and maybe a fudging distances and lines of latitude thing. But let's look at your picture.

You notice how the distance around southern latitude is about 3x or more than around the northern latitude? Which is consistent with this dramatic drop in temperature. The sun is quite far from one end to another south of the equator so the temperature drops. Whereas when it brushes across the northern hemisphere, no such major drop happens.

 You claim your arguments are consistent and rational, but in fact, they are self-contradictory and nonsensical.

You notice how the distance around southern latitude is about 3x or more than around the northern latitude?

Bulma.  You just shot yourself in the foot.

Where in FE you have no explanation why a sun would stay aloft above a FE, drift south, where you have no explanation why the sun would speed up three times faster for the longer southern track.  Where you now need the sun to drastically change distance and thus change apparent size hour by hour and month to month more than ever and does not.  The fact the sun stays a constant size kills flat earth.  Where the picture you used shows the sun would have to rise / set north / south for large areas and yet rises due south and sets due east on the equinox.

Where earth’s tilt explains the seasons perfectly, where earth’s tilt is proven by Lahaina noon.  And the path of the sun bs the planets.

LAHAINA NOON IN HAWAIʻI: WHEN AND WHERE TO SEE IT (2025)

Did you know there’s a moment in Hawaiʻi when your shadow completely disappears? This rare tropical phenomenon, known as Lāhainā Noon, happens only twice a year—and only in the tropics. Here’s everything you need to know to witness it.




https://www.lovebigisland.com/hawaii-blog/lahaina-noon-when-and-where/

Path of the sun..

For a flat earth, the sun would orbit the northern celestial pole like this…



So time lapse photography should result in the sun making a circle around the celestial North Pole like one nights worth of star trails?  Similar like this?


https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cd57d59ca525b7e9eae595c/a3311d67-06f0-460b-8122-3b19dc423ff8/Startrail+northern+light+w+watermark.jpg

The sun should circle the celestial North Pole on a FE.

But the sun does this…. For six months…


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Again.  Flat earth soundly debunked…

You notice how the distance around southern latitude is about 3x or more than around the northern latitude?

What happen to your gif for the winter path?

Winter

Winter.gif?

Delete the picture off your hosting site when you realized the sun would have to be three times smaller for people in Ohio during their winter for FE to be true?  Heliocentric model wins again. 

It could have something to do with the fact that I hear the same talking points and see the same pictures over and over again

As if you have no honest, rational response to them and instead need to keep fleeing from them.

Perhaps when you honestly and rationally address them they will stop coming up.

The modern way we build bridges has nothing to do with the fact that are in fact built level.

But everything to do with showing your claims are pure BS.
If the curvature was going to destroy bridges, then all bridges would already been destroyed from countless other things.

"All bridges work the same, so Earth is round (or something)."

Again you just spout complete and utter crap, which in no way represents what anyone is saying.
Again, this is NOT saying that this shows Earth is round, it is showing your argument is pure BS.

In fact (AGAIN, stop fucking making me repeat myself)

Then stop repeating the same refuted BS.
No one is making you repeat the same lies again and again. That is you actively choosing to try to deceive people.
All while ignoring the refutation of your pathetic BS.

curvature creates tension that is incompatible with creating bridges.

How?
Stop just asserting pathetic BS. Try explaining it you pathetic, desperate, lying POS.

AGAIN. Where is the 6pm sunrise?

Again, are you using solar time or sidereal time?
If sidereal time, it happens right when it is expected.
If using solar time, you would never expect it and you are pathetic, desperate, lying POS for suggesting it.

We get shorter and long days. That's it. And for the record, in my upstairs room during the summer, it is literally hot as fuck at night.

Something you really can't explain for the southern summer, yet the RE explains it just fine.

If you tried some critical thinking you would realise the heat can't just magically vanish, and that your pathetic BS to try to pretend there is a problem for the RE, would be just as much a problem for your pathetic BS.
Ultimately it boils down to the same question: Why is it hot at night.
And ultimately, they have the same answer - it takes time for that heat to leave.
It isn't that it becomes night and suddenly the darkness makes it freeze.

Second, you have never adequately explained about this tilt.

Yes, we have. Repeatedly.
And do you know the easiest way to tell?
Because you have made no attempt to refute the explanation.
Instead, you just entirely ignore it/dismiss it without showing any fault and repeat the same pathetic lies again.

If Earth's front is tilted down

Again, this line of reasoning just shows you are spouting pathetic crap.
Stop treating it as front vs back, and up or down.

Instead, consider if it is the north or south pole, and if it is tilting towards a particular direction in space.

For example, in the image you just provided don't say the front is facing down, instead, say the north pole is tilted to the right.
So when it is to the left of the sun, it is tilted towards the sun and so the south pole is tilted away from the sun
Then half way through the orbit, when it is to the right of the sun, the north pole is tilting away from the sun and so the south pole is tilted towards the sun.
Not hard to understand.
Even a child can.
Yet here you are, still playing a complete imbecile that can't understand something so incredible basic.

then as it turns, the backside would have to suddenly tilt down to also also have summer conditions. In two ways, the eastern and western hemisphere should have a profound difference from day to night, whereas the northern and southern hemisphere do not have major difference during the same season.

i.e. you want to appeal to completely insane motion of Earth that doesn't happen, which would then produce results which don't happen in reality.'
Do you realise just how stupid that line of reasoning is?
You are basically saying the RE is wrong because it doesn't do something which would make it not match reality.

Versus 20° difference?

Great job showing more dishonesty, where you go from a quote (which you don't actually reference) with ranges, and both summer and winter; to a baseless claim of 2 numbers without even saying if it is summer or winter, with cherry picked locations which aren't even a comparable distance from the equator to present a completely dishonest comparison.
Care to try it honestly?
How about this:
https://weatherspark.com/countries/US/VA
Taking Richmond as an example, during their winter in December it goes from 1C as an average low to 11 C as an average high. That is a difference of 10 C.
During summer in June, it goes from 18 C to 29 C, a difference of roughly 11 C.

Wellington in New Zealand instead goes from 8 to 12 C in Winter and from 13 to 18 in summer. A smaller difference.

So if you did it honestly, it would show yet again you are spouting pure BS.

And if you were trying to show it was about distance, then you would explain how if your compare midnight for the northern summer vs the southern summer, the sun is closer during the northern summer.
So for places like New Zealand especially we would expect the nightly lows to be much lower during the southern summer than the northern summer due to the increased distance to the sun at night.
But we see the exact opposite, with the nights during the southern summer being around the same temperature as days during the southern winter.

So there you go with your BS yet again entirely failing to work, and yet again the evidence contradicts what you are claiming.

Of course, if you really wanted to show it was about distance, you would also pick a location on the equator, like Quito, and explain how during the southern summer, when the sun moves south so it would be further away at night, the temperature drops. You would also explain how it would need to get so incredibly hot as the sun passes overhead.
But unfortunately for you, the temperature retains a relatively stable low of 9-10 C, and a relatively stable high of 18-19 C. Almost as if the number of daylight hours is really important.

You notice how the distance around southern latitude is about 3x or more than around the northern latitude?

Which is inconsistent with the temperatures shown above, and inconsistent with the observed daylight hours.

You claim your arguments are consistent and rational, but in fact, they are self-contradictory and nonsensical.

Except you are yet to show a single contradiction or bit of nonsense from the RE side, while there is plenty from you, as well as plenty of pathetic lies.

Again, going back to the greater distance in the southern hemisphere, how do you get such longs days during the southern summer? Why does the length of the day increase as you go further south? It simply makes no sense.

The modern way we build bridges has nothing to do with the fact that are in fact built level.

What’s the definition of level again?

Anyway…

Bridge Deflection, Load Capacity

Watch this video to see how the Golden Gate Bridge can move up and down by as much as 16 feet!

At midspan, the maximum downward deflection (or the distance the Bridge was built to move downward) is 10.8 ft (3.3. m). The maximum upward deflection is 5.8 ft (1.8 m).

https://www.goldengate.org/bridge/history-research/bridge-construction/bridge-design/

Take a walk across Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco’s icon



Once on the bridge, the incline is steady but not steep.

Do you understand Bulma most road suspension bridges don’t have a flat deck, but a slightly arched up deck?

Where this bridge did not collapse…

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 30, 2025, 06:19:52 AM

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

You do understand bridges are made to be dynamic?  Like skyscrapers.  Anyway..



Volgograd Bridge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd_Bridge

They did have to find away to dampen the motions of the Volgograd Bridge.  But bridges have to be dynamic.  But you think they can’t build a road on a shallow curvature?

Bulma. Why do you post stupid crap?

Where your original statement ignored bridges, and was about roads.  Where you just ignore roads on hills.

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

WTF?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 20, 2025, 06:07:07 AM

As for stupid meme about a beach ball or basketball looking flat when you look at a tiny piece under a microscope, there is a bit of a gaping hole in your logic.

The below with a camera with a built in zoom lens with a macro lens adapter shows just because you think it looks flat isn’t evidence of it being actually flat.



The same case that has been proven many times in different ways.

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Measures “flat” with a straight edge with a small frame of reference.



The tank actually is big enough to have a gentle curve.



What should the curve look like to a person 6 foot tall for an earth 30,000 times, or more, greater in diameter than the tank?

Materials and roads follow “curvature” more extreme than the gentle curvature of the earth.  With little or no problem. 

Bulma.  Are you this big of a troll to keep lying when you are proven to be caught in a lie.  Or you just this stupid and brainwashed Bulma.  You’r f’n ignorant.

How with any sense at all Bulma can you ignore roads are built on hills, bridges are built with inclines and to move with load and wind.  But you have the stupidity to claim roads can’t be built on a curved earth.  When roads on hills and mountains are literally roads on “curved” earth.

 

In fact (AGAIN, stop fucking making me repeat myself), curvature creates tension that is incompatible with creating bridges.

Then way is the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge between the towers humpbacked towards the middle of the span?

Your actual post…

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

Was about roads in general, not about bridges.

Bulma.  Before you post anything else stupid concerning roads.  You understand roads usually are not built to be flat.  Bulma, you haven’t noticed a properly engineered road is higher running down the centerline, and slopped downward to the outside edges to help sheet water off the road.  I guess there isn’t many roads running through your mom’s basement, huh. 

These are called "hills."

And no, they do not.





No, we don't "like to use this". This is the formula that you guys gave us.
https://www.revimage.org/curvature-of-the-earth-8-inches-per-mile-squared/
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature
https://www.themathdoctors.org/how-much-does-the-earth-curve/
Now you claim that it's this new formula (above) which is appealing to complicated math.

But see, there are problems with this new formula already. What is the "radius of the curved light ray"? If you aren't given all variables, you cannot do the math. And they repeatedly refer to this radius that I suppose you are supposed to just guess at? Likewise for significant distances, the math tells you things which may or may not be so. How do we know that boat is 15 miles away instead of 5 miles away? Do you have a tape measure pulling back from the boat? So alot of formulas based on guesses.

But going back to the formula that they previously told us was right. After 2 miles, there is a drop of 2 ft. After 4 miles, it's 10 ft. After 8 miles, it's 42 ft. By 90 miles, the drop is 1 miles. By 200 miles, the drop is 5 miles (btw, Mount Everest is 6.3 miles so yea, at a distance of only 200 miles, we have a road adjustment of fucking Mt Everest).  And it continues to have a curvature drop until at 1/4 of the Earth (3569 miles), it equals that amount. This is consistent with 90 degree angle. What it's not consistent with is real observed roads, bridges, etc.

No, hills and mountains, do not even compare to the real level of supposed curvature on observably flat roads. I have driven over the Appalachians and the Rockies. At 14,440 feet in the Rockies, that sounds high right? Except unlike the curvature math, we are dividing 14440/1584000 ft (0.00911616161616 ft) of slope over 300 miles across, and it goes 3000 miles up and down the coast so we also divide it by that. Despite its supposed height, it is unbelievably flat considering the distance it stretches across. Far too flat for the amount of curvature that area supposedly has.
The amount of tension in 3569 miles of road would far surpass anything like that. Just over 200 miles of road would have as much curve as Everest. I've easily driven that on an 8 hour drive. Doesn't happen.

These are called "hills.

Yes, with a much greater rate of curvature than Earth.
So if a round Earth was going to make it impossible to build roads, so to would hills.

No, we don't "like to use this". This is the formula that you guys gave us.

No, as far as I can tell, it came from flat Earthers.
But again, you misrepresent what was being said in the image.
FEers dishonestly use that formula to pretend that much should be hidden.

But that is irrelevant to this discussion and yet another pathetic deflection by you.

What it's not consistent with is real observed roads, bridges, etc.

Yet you can't provide a single example of where it isn't.

No, hills and mountains, do not even compare to the real level of supposed curvature on observably flat roads.

Do you mean on level roads which are observably curved?
If so, only in the sense that the rate of curvature is much greater.

Far too flat for the amount of curvature that area supposedly has.

No, it isn't.
Because you are measuring height in reference to sea level, not a magical flat reference.

The amount of tension

Stop just asserting crap.
First try explaining just what magic is causing this tension, the fundamental physical thing.
It clearly isn't the weight of the road, as that is not a force along the road for a level road.

Or better yet, drop the BS and explain the southern summer and how the sun sets.

The amount of tension in 3569 miles of road would far surpass anything like that.

Weight is straight down.  So, why would there be “tension” on a road built properly on proper road pack/foundation.

 I have driven over the Appalachians and the Rockies.

Again…








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Materials and roads follow “curvature” more extreme than the gentle curvature of the earth.  With little or no problem.   

 You have the stupidity to claim roads can’t be built on a curved earth.  When roads on hills and mountains are literally roads on “curved” earth.

Where roads are not even build flat, but built with a curvature towards the road edge to sheet water away from the road. 

 Bulma.  You have no credibility because you post things that are flat out wrong.  Stupid.  Bulma, you post things out of either being a troll or brainwashed.

Likewise for significant distances, the math tells you things which may or may not be so.

Bulma.  You are contradicting yourself again.  You understand math is a language of science.

I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks.

And math with science can determine the distance to the moon.  Even if crudely used parallax is off by 10,000s of miles instead of radar with more precision, the distance proven to the moon is shown to break the FE model.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 29, 2024, 09:22:14 PM

You're just guessing,

Nope.

Funny that two people in the United States over 2000 miles apart can watch the moon at the same instance, rise and set times that match the radius of a earth of 3,963 miles, with enough parallax to calculate the distance to the moon.  Backed by lunar and solar eclipses.

Bulma.  You claim science.  Then make this claim out of wishful thinking.

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

Where you can’t show the roadway on a good foundation does anything but exert weight towards the center of the earth. 

Trust me, weight is not straight down all the time.



This is from stacking two books of different masses together. I never realized before today but I was usually too close, and thus one pressed /=>\ and knocked the other over. When I increased the distance, the books tried to fall but pushed together. Tension is horizontal. Not just vertical.

When I moved it about a cm (mm?) away, it still stayed up, just at a 15 degree angle.

Btw, buy my book (the one with the chains) called Bonds and Boundaries .



After that, it was on the ground. Where am I going with this? Well, if you pull a road apart (while btw is not simply on the ground supported perfectly by dirt, but sometimes I've seen them dig up the road to feed gas or water lines, and even electrical wires or fiber optic cables), something can happen.

Surface tension affects roads primarily through its role in the behavior of water on road surfaces. High surface tension can prevent water from penetrating the pavement, which helps maintain the integrity of the road, while low surface tension can allow water to seep into cracks, leading to deterioration.

Many roads now are effectively bridges. They are a cohesion of cement, rocks, water, and occasionally other stuff lain over previous road or even nothing at all, because the newest pipe needs to run over them. And yes, like a bridge, roads can erode away. The effect is dramatic. Like the AI said, too far away with your horizontal surface tension and the you have gaps where water penetrates. Too close, btw, and you have no water penetration, but you do have a bump. The point is, our roads are just right.

They are not compensating for your imagined curvature, and thus bumpy as hell. And they are not horizontally forced apart and subject to water erosion. They hold up... until cars rip them apart anyway.

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

Bulma.  Is this why my road cracks.  Needs repairs every year.  And needs repaved every 10 to 12 years.






Bulma.  So even cracking roads prove the earth is round.  Huh. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Many roads now are effectively bridges.

Stupidly false.

The Golden Gate Bridge that has a humped deck transfers the weight of the bridge to the towers, the cables, and the cable anchors.

Take a walk across Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco’s icon



Once on the bridge, the incline is steady but not steep.

A bridge is nothing like a road laid on a road bed of road pack on a running foundation.



Look again Bulma.  Another road literally on earth with “curvature” / grade more extreme than the radius of the earth. 

Bulma.  Are you this stupid?  Or just this much of a lying troll? 

The weight is on the sides, as your own arrows show.

The sides are pushing together, them pulling apart. Down is an incidental, that was kinda brushed aside by the second picture, where the 15° or so book bridge still holds together. If there were a strong force pulling down, this farther apart book stack should have fallen.

And you're back to swaying bridges. Sorry but most bridges are fixed. That one in Russia is poorly built has nothing to do with the reality of decently built bridges.

And once again, you're back to con artistry of trying to tell people that a minor part of a silo is level so the whole thing is flat.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition
If I put it on its side, and spray water, your con will be exposed.

Went to church yesterday. The roads have hills. But you know something? I was able to, by looking at the trees ahead, figure out where the road would go. This is because the line of the horizon always rises to at least eye level.

You can tell the road is turning left before zooming in.

You can likewise tell when the road will dip downhill.

The weight is on the sides, as your own arrows show.

Your stupid.

One, it’s nothing like a road supported on a running road bed.  To post otherwise is a stupid and obvious lie. 

A bridge is nothing like a road laid on a road bed of road pack on a running foundation.



Look again Bulma.  Another road literally on earth with “curvature” / grade more extreme than the radius of the earth. 

Bulma.  Are you this stupid?  Or just this much of a lying troll? 


Two…




Look at the picture jackass.

The question was…

  If there is no gravity, what is pulling straight down on the book to force it open like a simple machine trying to open. 

The weight of a deck of a suspension bridge is straight down.  Through mechanical means the weight can be transferred to cables, towers, and cable anchors.

The weight of the book is still straight down.  The hinging of the book lets the book lets the weight transfer to the edges, creating a lateral force.  If there was no gravity pulling the book down, there would be no force to transfer in the first place.

If there is no gravity in the first place Bulma. What is cause the book to “accelerate” down to cause the book to hinge open transverse load to the edges. 
 

Sorry but most bridges are fixed.

Added.  Then what’s the point of a book made to open at the spine? 

Bridges are made to be dynamic from everything from thermal expansion, small earthquakes, traffic running over them.  To large suspension bridges taking in account wind.

Can you read Bulma.  This was quoted for you.

Bridge Deflection, Load Capacity

Watch this video to see how the Golden Gate Bridge can move up and down by as much as 16 feet!

At midspan, the maximum downward deflection (or the distance the Bridge was built to move downward) is 10.8 ft (3.3. m). The maximum upward deflection is 5.8 ft (1.8 m).

https://www.goldengate.org/bridge/history-research/bridge-construction/bridge-design/

Are you really this stupid, or just this big of a lying troll Bulma? 

Trust me, weight is not straight down all the time.

There you go being stupid again.

I would say by definition, weight is straight down.
But what you are showing with this photo is a combination of forces, not simply weight.
You have weight trying to move the books down.
You then have the normal reaction force where the books are touching the bed, pushing them up opposing the weight.
Because this is not in line with the centre of mass, this in turn imparts a torque onto the books which tries to move the top down and the bottom out, and push the tops in towards each other.
This would require the books to slide on the bed, which in turn imparts a frictional force to oppose that motion, as well as compression at the top pushing the books together, which is opposed by a normal reaction force pushing apart.

So the system remains in balance.

That is not weight magically acting other than down.

After that, it was on the ground. Where am I going with this?

Where you always go. Spout a bunch of vague crap, all to pretend there is a magical problem for the round Earth.

Well, if you pull a road apart

Such as by it going over a hill, or thermal contraction, or countless other things which impact a much greater effect than the curvature of Earth.
You see the road is designed to handle those forces.

Surface tension

Has nothing to do with the curvature of Earth.

The point is, our roads are just right.

No. The point is you are yet to provide anything which shows a problem for the round Earth.

They are not compensating for your imagined curvature, and thus bumpy as hell.

Why would compensating for the curvature of Earth make them bumpy as hell?
Yet again, you are just spouting baseless pathetic crap.
All because you know you can't defend your delusional fantasy, so you need to attack the RE model with these pathetic lies at all costs.

The weight is on the sides, as your own arrows show.

That's not weight.

If there were a strong force pulling down, this farther apart book stack should have fallen.

Why?
Yet again you assert pure crap with no justification.
There is a force pulling down.
But that doesn't mean it will always overcome every other force.

Do you know why the close together ones failed?
Because the weight caused both books to try to turn, and one book was heavy enough that the torque imparted by this pushed the other book over.

And you're back to swaying bridges. Sorry but most bridges are fixed. That one in Russia is poorly built has nothing to do with the reality of decently built bridges.

Pure BS.
Decently built bridges are designed to be able to move.

And once again, you're back to con artistry of trying to tell people that a minor part of a silo is level so the whole thing is flat.

You mean you are yet again back to blatantly lying about what people are saying because you cannot refute what they are actually saying.
The point of the image is not to say it is flat. It is to say if you are only looking at a tiny portion of the surface you can't tell.
That YOU are committing the fallacy of composition, where you pretend you can't measure the curve in your sink that it must not exist.

This is because the line of the horizon always rises to at least eye level.

You have already this shown to be a lie.
Why keep repeating it?
I know you are desperate to pretend your delusional BS is true, but it just shows your dishonesty.

You can likewise tell when the road will dip downhill.

Can you? Or can you tell where it was already going uphill and started going more uphill.

Do you know what your photo lacks? Any indication of where "level" is.
You would get the same view if the road started level and then curved up; or if the road started going down and then went level, or if it was going down and then went up, or if it was going down, then down less steeply, or up then up more steeply.
All you can tell with that image is that the slope of the road changes, and the direction of that change.
You can't tell if it is going up or down.
Yet again you are just asserting baseless crap.


Again, stop with the baseless crap.
If you want to say the RE model should cause something, then clearly explain why; just like we have done for your delusional fantasy.
For example, if the sun was circling above the Earth, then the distance would vary dramatically, both for observers at different locations, and the one location over a day. This would result in the angular size of the sun changing.
And likewise, if the sun was circling above Earth, it would never appear to cross a view of 0 degrees, because that would require at least part of it to be below 0 degrees.
And likewise, if the equator always gets roughly 12 hours of daylight, and if your north pole monopole FE model was correct, and the ability to see the sun was just based upon distance, then regardless of the time of year, the further south you go the less daylight hours you get, because of the diagram shown previously.

And what is your response to these? Pathetic dismissal and deflection.

And that basically sums you up.
Lying about what people say.
Lying about the RE model, the FE model, reality, or some combination of the three, including by pathetically asserting baseless crap.
And pathetic deflection.

All because you know you can't defend your model.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on June 09, 2025, 07:20:05 AM

Sorry but most bridges are fixed.

Added.  Then what’s the point of a book made to open at the spine? 

Bridges are made to be dynamic from everything from thermal expansion, small earthquakes, traffic running over them.  To large suspension bridges taking in account wind.

Can you read Bulma.  This was quoted for you.

Quote

Bridge Deflection, Load Capacity

Watch this video to see how the Golden Gate Bridge can move up and down by as much as 16 feet!

At midspan, the maximum downward deflection (or the distance the Bridge was built to move downward) is 10.8 ft (3.3. m). The maximum upward deflection is 5.8 ft (1.8 m).

https://www.goldengate.org/bridge/history-research/bridge-construction/bridge-design/

Are you really this stupid, or just this big of a lying troll Bulma?

You are really this stupid. And this deceptive.

If bridges were really made to be dynamic, I could sit on any bridge and see that same sorta thing. Guess what? On my tour of the country, I stopped at a beautiful bridge in Washington state. Deception Pass.

You are relying on one bridge, unsurprisingly in Russia because you are a Marxist who fled Russia when they started to reject communism. "But that wasn't real communism! Here, I have this bridge to sell you! It wobbles because bridges are supposed to be dynamic."

This bridge wobbled. When I went to Ireland, we crossed this and were all freaked out. It's a rope bridge.

This bridge on the other hand is designed to be sturdy. Bridges that wobble eventually shift and wobble apart. As happened with the Tacoma Bridge.

Can you ever not be a liar? Bridges are built to support impact. They are built to support loads without rising or sinking.

As for books, you lot have likely never bound a book. In addition to the Amazon KDP publishing treatment, I made on copy of a book with leather binding. Okay, listen you primitive screwhead, it's like this. A book is usually held together by sewing together sections of paper or the entire lot, then creating a backing, then adhering the backing to the binding and the backing to the body. Unlike a bridge, it isn't really made through tension but alot of glue and the like. My first try was leather that I cut a tree design into through indentation, and cotton paper with a backing of folded paper. I suppose if there's normally paperback and hardcover, I'd call this floppy bound. It had no backing in the front or back, just the spine. I also bound it like a shoe lace with alot of strips of leather. It closed in the front. Yeah, I think maybe I know a bit more about the binding of books than you. Most books because of this sewing method have limited lengths because people do the same folding shit. Someone for instance tried to bind together all One Piece books into one book, but it's too rigid. What have we learned kids? Bending a long section of straight mass (such as the single-bound One Piece) snaps it apart.



Here's another example.



I got these heels because they were cute, even though they were about a size and a half too small. I poked a hole in them to refasten them (now they lace weird but I can fit into them). Unfortunately, walking to church in the rain, it lost both outsoles on the sidewalk. I collected them, and after having poor luck with just glue, I grabbed a stapler, and nailed about 20 staples to fasten it better. Even that will eventually fail. But just glue failed in the rain.

The Golden Gate bridge is not "adjusting dynamically." It's a wobbly bridge built by woke leftists. It will fall apart spectacularly. More importantly, if it were built to adhere to your mythical curvature, like that One Piece novel, tension would snap it in half.

You are really this stupid. And this deceptive.

There you go projecting again.

If bridges were really made to be dynamic, I could sit on any bridge and see that same sorta thing.

Only if the conditions are right.
But guess what? The first video you picked, you can see the bridge moving around as people walk across it.

Are you honestly that stupid? Or are you knowingly and intentionally lying to everyone?

but it's too rigid. What have we learned kids? Bending a long section of straight mass (such as the single-bound One Piece) snaps it apart.

Notice the key part there?
Something too rigid.
You can try it with dry spaghetti, and see it shatter.
But if you try it with cooked spaghetti, it is no longer rigid, it can bend.

It depends on how it is made.

But this still doesn't help your case.
Because people are not making roads perfectly straight and rigid and then trying to bend them into shape.
They are laying roads on Earth. With it taking on the shape of Earth.

if it were built to adhere to your mythical curvature, like that One Piece novel, tension would snap it in half.

No. If it was build by complete morons that made it perfectly flat and perfectly rigid, and then they put it on and forced it to try to follow the curve of Earth, it would snap.
But it wasn't.

Again, you are just spouting pathetic crap.
All to continue with your pathetic deflection from your inability to defend your broken model, your inability to explain the sunset, or how the southern summer works.

If bridges were really made to be dynamic,

Bulma.  Are you really this ignorant and stupid.

You never seen a thermal expansion joint for a bridge and / or overpass?  Never wondered what a joint like what is pictured below was for?

Calculating Thermal Expansion

Yes.  Bridges are made to be dynamic.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 30, 2025, 06:19:52 AM

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

You do understand bridges are made to be dynamic?  Like skyscrapers.  Anyway..



Volgograd Bridge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd_Bridge

They did have to find away to dampen the motions of the Volgograd Bridge.  But bridges have to be dynamic.  But you think they can’t build a road on a shallow curvature?

Bulma. Why do you post stupid crap?

Bridge Deflection, Load Capacity

Watch this video to see how the Golden Gate Bridge can move up and down by as much as 16 feet!

At midspan, the maximum downward deflection (or the distance the Bridge was built to move downward) is 10.8 ft (3.3. m). The maximum upward deflection is 5.8 ft (1.8 m).

https://www.goldengate.org/bridge/history-research/bridge-construction/bridge-design/

Bulma.  You are just stupidly and ignorantly flat out wrong.  You are proven to be a jackass. 

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

Bulma.  Is this why my road cracks.  Needs repairs every year.  And needs repaved every 10 to 12 years.






Bulma.  So even cracking roads prove the earth is round.  Huh. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on June 10, 2025, 12:10:28 AM

but it's too rigid. What have we learned kids? Bending a long section of straight mass (such as the single-bound One Piece) snaps it apart.

Notice the key part there?
Something too rigid.
You can try it with dry spaghetti, and see it shatter.

Actually, even dry spaghetti is flexible to a certain extent.   Noice how far you can bend a single piece before it snaps compared to bending a handful.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 30, 2025, 06:19:52 AM

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

Bulma.  Is this why my road cracks.  Needs repairs every year.  And needs repaved every 10 to 12 years.






Bulma.  So even cracking roads prove the earth is round.  Huh. 

Didn't you say you live in a hilly area of Ohio? All it proves is that the state of Ohio sucks. We don't have cracking roads.

Seriously. You should move.

Better explanation though. Observe the water in the drainage ditch. You live in an area which probably has high snowfall, and incompetent engineers in terms of planning how to deal with that problem. Don't fret though. On a side road in town we have a legit marsh patch. The grass is so soft, it was like quicksand. I have a weird town. But my state is better than yours. We don't have shitty cracking roads.

Okay here's what "Worst Roads in Ohio 2025: Where Drivers Are Losing Money & Patience" says:
https://ratemyroads.com/blog/worst-roads-ohio-2025.php

Why Are Ohio’s Roads in Such Poor Condition?
Brutal freeze-thaw cycles cause pavement cracking every winter. Budget limitations and deferred maintenance have left many roads vulnerable to further deterioration, and heavy truck traffic adds daily strain.

Basically, you have shitty weather, and shittier government that focuses on cleanup rather than prevention.

Drainage. The key factor of prevention of cracking roads is good drainage.

Even AI knows how to fix cracking roads in Ohio.

To prevent cracking in roads in Ohio, regular inspections and maintenance are essential, including sealing cracks as soon as they appear and applying sealcoating every few years. Additionally, ensuring proper drainage and using high-quality materials during construction can help mitigate damage from environmental factors like freeze-thaw cycles.

You shouldn't build your case against FE on the roads of Ohio, just as you shouldn't build your life on the sinking sand of godless globalist nonsense.

Here's a way Ohio can actually make their roads better. Destroy them. No, you think I'm mocking them, but I'm completely serious. The granite powder creates a rocklike powder layer between the clay loam (or in some cases muck) and pavement, so that what happens with the clay is less impacted. It's like folding a sword, you bend the thing in on itself then flatten it out for even strength.

You shouldn't build your life on sinking sand. You should turn sand into iron.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 10, 2025, 06:17:58 PM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 30, 2025, 06:19:52 AM

what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

Bulma.  Is this why my road cracks.  Needs repairs every year.  And needs repaved every 10 to 12 years.






Bulma.  So even cracking roads prove the earth is round.  Huh. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Didn't you say you live in a hilly area of Ohio? All it proves is that the state of Ohio sucks. We don't have cracking roads.

Seriously. You should move.

Or seriously you proved the earth is curved with roads..

Used in another thread, but it’s pretty simple list.  Only a pathological liar in a cult will deny it.

If there really was a curved surface, it would have to be measured for with instruments, if we even could build such an instrument, that is.

Ok.  What kind of instruments.

Like using a tower as a ruler to measure how much dip of the horizon there is.  It only has to have precision to within 20 +/- feet.  That should be good.  Off a whole floor of the building.

Turning Torso (190m tall) - seen from 25km - 50km

Oh look.  A tower on a plane where the plane and tower don’t keep rising.  Can measurable dip of the horizon with the precision of one or two floors of the tower acting like a giant ruler in graduations of stories which is a measuring instrument.  Where with distance the curvature of the earth blocks more and more of the tower from view with increasing distance. 

No, I proved your town and your state sucks.

https://livetoplant.com/understanding-ohios-soil-types-a-beginners-guide/

Ohio has a number of different soil types... few of them good for actual road construction.

• Muck soil: completely unsuitable. To the point where you should reroute roads miles away just to have decent pavement.
• Clay soil: Unlike sand, relatively firm. However unlike sand, it also doesn't drain well.
• Clay loam: a mix of sand and clay
• Silt loam: silt is kinda a runoff nuisance. It's great for agriculture but makes a sorta powdery mess on roads.
• Drift soil: This is left behind by glacial freeze and thaw. Big hint here. Where we live in Virginia, we get heavy rainstorms but few snow storms. The freeze and thaw cycles means water freezes on the surface, melts, soaks in, freezes, effectively forming a wedge.
• Limestone: Basically, this is the only decent soil in the entire state.

Go on believing that I'm a pathological liar in a cult if it helps you feel better about being stuck in a state with terrible weather and soil.



You're not only reusing tired images, but you're reusing an argument  that was built by Aristotle. You know, the one about ships sailing past the curve?


(Skip to 12 minutes in, then watch 35 seconds; that's how long it takes to disprove Aristotle)

We don't have cracking roads.

Is that because they keep replacing them before they crack? You know what you have repeatedly complained about?

Better explanation though.

Better explanation:
Earth is round and you are just making up crap to pretend it can't be.

Where now you are appealing to lots of forces the road needs to withstand, while still wanting to pretend a RE would be too much for it.

And now you will continue to use it as a deflection from your inability to do things like explain why the sun sets.

Go on believing that I'm a pathological liar in a cult

Well until you start behaving honestly, why would anyone not do that?

You're not only reusing tired images, but you're reusing an argument  that was built by Aristotle. You know, the one about ships sailing past the curve?

Yes. Ones FEers are yet to come up with a refutation for.

(Skip to 12 minutes in, then watch 35 seconds; that's how long it takes to disprove Aristotle)

You mean thats how long it takes to prove you are a good little cultist, accepting whatever BS your cult leader tells without thinking or questioning.

Do you know what an intelligent person would think and ask?
Where are boats or buildings already hidden by the horizon brought back into view?
Why do they only take examples of things which are just shown in varying levels of detail rather than a partially obscured object being brought back into view?

Zooming out so you can't resolve the boat is not the same as having it hidden by the horizon.

So no, that doesn't disprove anything except your intelligence and integrity.

So not only are you reusing tired crap, you are reusing already refuted crap.
Meanwhile, the argument you are objecting to remains unrefuted and the problem remains unresolved for FEers.

Just like the problem of why the sun sets, or the southern summer.
Things which destroy your fantasy so you need to flee from.