How old is the globe conspiracy?

Quote from: Torve on March 17, 2023, 12:59:34 AM

Wordsalads are an unhealthy diet, mr. Stash. The context and extent has NOT been outlined, not even a tiny piece of it. Why is that so difficult?

I suggest you lurk moar. You might actually learn something about the thing you are arguing against. Ignorance is not bliss.

My experience is that you learn most by asking questions. Even the lack of answers is a valuable lesson. Today is no exception.

For example, to advise someone that they are best off by not asking questions - that's a golden nugget. Very telling indeed.

Quote from: Stash on March 17, 2023, 11:45:50 AM

Quote from: Torve on March 17, 2023, 12:59:34 AM

Wordsalads are an unhealthy diet, mr. Stash. The context and extent has NOT been outlined, not even a tiny piece of it. Why is that so difficult?

I suggest you lurk moar. You might actually learn something about the thing you are arguing against. Ignorance is not bliss.

My experience is that you learn most by asking questions. Even the lack of answers is a valuable lesson. Today is no exception.

For example, to advise someone that they are best off by not asking questions - that's a golden nugget. Very telling indeed.

Reading comprehension is a valuable tool, a golden nugget, if you will, in regard to learning; knowledge acquisition and retention - E.g., Where did I advise you to not ask questions? I only advised you to lurk moar in response to your post which contained a rather ambiguous question regarding difficulty. Difficulty of what?

Your claim is that, "The context and extent has NOT been outlined, not even a tiny piece of it.". So I guess your work is done here. You've made your opinion known without really referring to anything in particular but duly noted nonetheless. If you consider this to be a well crafted argument for or against something, well, then, I'm afraid you will suffer many cognitive and intellectual defeats in your life.

But by the by, best of luck in all that you endeavor.

Quote from: Stash on March 16, 2023, 11:27:11 PM

Quote from: Torve on March 16, 2023, 09:36:13 PM

Thank you, Stash.

First off, the image you posted is not legible. Is there a higher resolution available?

Before getting deeper into specifics, I have this:

The world at large has been convinced that the earth is round for millennia now. Why would anyone want to establish a conspiracy to make people believe something they already believe?

There's probably a pretty massive whole other flow chart that could be solely devoted to just the YouTube players as well: Eric DuBay, Mark Sargent, Bob Knodel, Jeran, Phuket World, p-brane, dmurphy, Nathan Oakley, d-marble, Karen B, DIRTH, Witsit, Ken Wheeler, Flat Earth Dave, and a bunch more.

Why? Eeesh, that's a whole other thing. That's like asking why people join cults, e.g., mass suicide ala Jim Jones, buy into Qanon/Pizzagate, practice religion, join social clubs, beat up people who speak disparagingly about their football team, die on hills of political ideologies, etc. A very, very complex issue.
Do people feel oppressed, steeped in distrust of establishments/institutions, religiously driven, curiosity, thought experimental, that dopamine rush of thinking you know better than everyone else, not duped into a belief system, feel part of an elite few who really know the truth, a way to look down on others and feel better about themselves? Some, none, or all of the above? It's a lot to try and unpack and understand the 'why' and I'm not sure anyone really can.

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No Stash.

This is not a complicated concept.

FE posits that the idea of RE stems from a conspiracy of disinformation.

If FE can't make a coherent case to outline the context and extent of this supposed conspiracy, then there is a serious credibility deficit there for FE.

I believe in the FE and not in a conspiracy. So, there is no deficit there at all. Such a deficit only exists if you could show the two ideas are mutually inclusive.

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies. 

Those are clearly due to the Ferrari Effect.

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies.

We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now.

10s of thousands of pictures is not absurd

Quote from: stankann on March 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies.

We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now.

10s of thousands of pictures is not absurd

How long have we had this AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes? Did this AI that you speak of exist in the 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's? Even the 90's?

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 23, 2023, 11:58:17 AM

Quote from: stankann on March 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies.

We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now.

10s of thousands of pictures is not absurd

How long have we had this AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes? Did this AI that you speak of exist in the 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's? Even the 90's?

The government routinely hides advancements from the public for their own gain. Look to the history of cryptography to see how prevalent this is.

Quote from: stankann on March 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies.

We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now.

10s of thousands of pictures is not absurd

So is it your claim that all pictures from space, from all countries, and all space agencies in the world are all generated by CGI?  That is a claim of a conspiracy so massive, it defies all believability and logic. Can you give me a little history on the CGI conspiracy.  When did the Americans start working with the Russians, and Chinese.  How did that come about?  I mean, from the first photos, we are talking about a conspiracy that has been ongoing for over 60 years through multiple political changes and downfalls of participating countries.  So give me some specifics on this conspiracy.

Quote from: Stash on March 23, 2023, 12:15:10 PM

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 23, 2023, 11:58:17 AM

Quote from: stankann on March 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies.

We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now.

10s of thousands of pictures is not absurd

How long have we had this AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes? Did this AI that you speak of exist in the 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's? Even the 90's?

The government routinely hides advancements from the public for their own gain. Look to the history of cryptography to see how prevalent this is.

What kind of argument is that? You have to do better than X has done this, so X must have done that.

Here's flipping your logical fallacy script: And the government routinely exposes advancements as a way to display prowess, might, superiority. Look at the history of demonstrating next-gen weapons systems prior to production.

Now do you see how meaningless your argument is?

At the end of the day, evidence is required to back up a statement like, "We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now," and somehow ad hoc apply that technology to the last 70 years of images from space.

Quote from: Username on March 23, 2023, 12:50:07 PM

Quote from: Stash on March 23, 2023, 12:15:10 PM

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 23, 2023, 11:58:17 AM

Quote from: stankann on March 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies.

We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now.

10s of thousands of pictures is not absurd

How long have we had this AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes? Did this AI that you speak of exist in the 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's? Even the 90's?

The government routinely hides advancements from the public for their own gain. Look to the history of cryptography to see how prevalent this is.

What kind of argument is that? You have to do better than X has done this, so X must have done that.

Here's flipping your logical fallacy script: And the government routinely exposes advancements as a way to display prowess, might, superiority. Look at the history of demonstrating next-gen weapons systems prior to production.

Now do you see how meaningless your argument is?

At the end of the day, evidence is required to back up a statement like, "We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now," and somehow ad hoc apply that technology to the last 70 years of images from space.

Except you misrepresented my argument. Any argument is easy to flip if you straw man it.

There fixed it for you.
X has a long history of doing this, so X is possible of doing it again.

My my. That almost sounds like the basis of empiricism...

Quote from: Stash on March 23, 2023, 04:23:46 PM

Quote from: Username on March 23, 2023, 12:50:07 PM

Quote from: Stash on March 23, 2023, 12:15:10 PM

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 23, 2023, 11:58:17 AM

Quote from: stankann on March 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM

The reason that in the flat Earth model, a trip to space is not possible is because people who believe in a flat Earth, have to find a way to invalidate the 10s of thousands of pictures coming back from space that show conclusively that the world is a sphere.  They have to contrive ways of making space travel a hoax, and they have come up with some real doozies.

We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now.

10s of thousands of pictures is not absurd

How long have we had this AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes? Did this AI that you speak of exist in the 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's? Even the 90's?

The government routinely hides advancements from the public for their own gain. Look to the history of cryptography to see how prevalent this is.

What kind of argument is that? You have to do better than X has done this, so X must have done that.

Here's flipping your logical fallacy script: And the government routinely exposes advancements as a way to display prowess, might, superiority. Look at the history of demonstrating next-gen weapons systems prior to production.

Now do you see how meaningless your argument is?

At the end of the day, evidence is required to back up a statement like, "We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now," and somehow ad hoc apply that technology to the last 70 years of images from space.

Except you misrepresented my argument. Any argument is easy to flip if you straw man it.

There fixed it for you.
X has a long history of doing this, so X is possible of doing it again.

My my. That almost sounds like the basis of empiricism...

So you're cool with We have AI that can generate millions of pictures of space and art in general within minutes now, and blanket applying that to the entirely of the last 7 decades because the government has hidden other things before? You think that's actually a reasonable assumption? With zero evidence that the government has been hiding this specific thing we have now: AI?

Talk about strawmanning. Anything is "possible". At least make it relevant. Like, the government has a history of routinely hiding AI capabilities, therefore it wouldn't surprise me that they've been hiding AI capabilities for a very long time. As evidenced by the 1983 leak of DARPA's Advanced Neural Machine Adaptability and Sequential Synaptic Generator program.

I think it's a pretty crap argument to say that because a government covers up some some stuff means that all the stuff you don't like is part of a cover-up as well.

And you also have to wrestle with all the governments of the world been covering up AI capabilities in order to generate fake space photos for decades. Now we're into a a NWO masonic rothschild lizard people cabal conspiracy territory.