What is behind Flat Earth?

Quote from: Stash on February 27, 2023, 09:45:06 AM

 Is that what you're looking for? Fact?

We are in a Flat Earth forum.  The OP and my questions were addressed to the FEers regarding their views on one particular aspect of their beliefs.  I never expected their responses to have anything to do with facts. 

They cannot accurately explain the things they can see.   I was curious to see how they would explain things they could not possibly explain.

The same explanation, in this case, belongs to both RE & FE: What's inside our sphere and underneath their flat plane? Rocks and stuff.

It would take us digging 1,802 miles to get to the core of the globe to find out all that is for reals there, factually. We've managed to bore about 7+ miles. Looks like we need to go about another 1795 miles to know for sure what's down there.

You know when you use your washing machine and you sometimes have a missing sock at the end? yeah, everyones socks are there

And for some reason you have had a dramatic reaction to the notion that it's probably just rocks.

A "dramatic" reaction? 

Trying to get a straight answer, based on and supported with reasonable evidence, from FEers is darn near impossible.  What is dramatic about questioning why a FEer would use the term "probable" when they have no way of knowing?  Those kinds of answers are right up there with "Angry God" being the reason the locusts ate the crops.

Quote from: ecco on February 28, 2023, 12:51:07 PM

Quote from: Stash on February 27, 2023, 09:45:06 AM

 Is that what you're looking for? Fact?

We are in a Flat Earth forum.  The OP and my questions were addressed to the FEers regarding their views on one particular aspect of their beliefs.  I never expected their responses to have anything to do with facts. 

They cannot accurately explain the things they can see.   I was curious to see how they would explain things they could not possibly explain.

The same explanation, in this case, belongs to both RE & FE: What's inside our sphere and underneath their flat plane? Rocks and stuff.

It would take us digging 1,802 miles to get to the core of the globe to find out all that is for reals there, factually. We've managed to bore about 7+ miles. Looks like we need to go about another 1795 miles to know for sure what's down there.

We have a pretty good idea of what's down there for a reasonable number of miles.  If we just concluded "rocks" because there were rocks on the surface, we never would have drilled for water, oil, or thermal heat.

We know what we know because science has done a lot of research. 

What research has the FE movement done to determine what is behind the Flat Earth?  The answer that comes to mind is "NONE".  Hence, "rocks" is not based on probability, it is based on WAGs.

What is "behind" flat earth?

What does this even mean? Do you mean what is physically "under" the flat earth?

Or do you mean metaphorically, what is behind this conspiracy theory?

For the former, I would say rocks and water. For the latter, I would say a desire to troll science, scientists, science followers. The pleasure of the flat earther is derived from how much time a person is prepared to spend, refuting them

What is "behind" flat earth?

What does this even mean? Do you mean what is physically "under" the flat earth?

Or do you mean metaphorically, what is behind this conspiracy theory?

For the former, I would say rocks and water. For the latter, I would say a desire to troll science, scientists, science followers. The pleasure of the flat earther is derived from how much time a person is prepared to spend, refuting them

We've all been trying to figure this out. The OP alludes to what people commonly ask, "What's on the underside, the opposite, of the flat plane humans live on..." But using "behind" brings up different connotations as you mentioned. But, you answered both, so I think we'er covered.

Quote from: Stash on February 28, 2023, 03:16:23 PM

Quote from: ecco on February 28, 2023, 12:51:07 PM

Quote from: Stash on February 27, 2023, 09:45:06 AM

 Is that what you're looking for? Fact?

We are in a Flat Earth forum.  The OP and my questions were addressed to the FEers regarding their views on one particular aspect of their beliefs.  I never expected their responses to have anything to do with facts. 

They cannot accurately explain the things they can see.   I was curious to see how they would explain things they could not possibly explain.

The same explanation, in this case, belongs to both RE & FE: What's inside our sphere and underneath their flat plane? Rocks and stuff.

It would take us digging 1,802 miles to get to the core of the globe to find out all that is for reals there, factually. We've managed to bore about 7+ miles. Looks like we need to go about another 1795 miles to know for sure what's down there.

We have a pretty good idea of what's down there for a reasonable number of miles.  If we just concluded "rocks" because there were rocks on the surface, we never would have drilled for water, oil, or thermal heat.

We know what we know because science has done a lot of research. 

What research has the FE movement done to determine what is behind the Flat Earth?  The answer that comes to mind is "NONE".  Hence, "rocks" is not based on probability, it is based on WAGs.

We have a pretty good idea of what we hypothesize is down there. That's about it. An FEr saying there's rocks and stuff on the underside of the flat earth seems to be just as good of a hypothesis.

I mean, do we really know what earth's inner core is? No. But we have WAG's of own...

There are no samples of Earth's core accessible for direct measurement, as there are for Earth's mantle.[3] Information about Earth's core mostly comes from analysis of seismic waves and Earth's magnetic field.[4] The inner core is believed to be composed of an iron–nickel alloy with some other elements. The temperature at the inner core's surface is estimated to be approximately 5,700 K (5,430 °C; 9,800 °F), which is about the temperature at the surface of the Sun.[5]

An FEr could just as easily say:

There are no samples of the underside of Earth's flat plane accessible for direct measurement, as there are for mantle directly under the plane.[3] Information about the underside of Earth's flat plane mostly comes from analysis of seismic waves and Earth's magnetic field.[4] The underside is believed to be composed of an iron–nickel alloy with some other elements. The temperature at the undersides surface is estimated to be approximately 5,700 K (5,430 °C; 9,800 °F), which is about the temperature at the surface of the Sun.[5]

I think ecco expected something more fantastical than "probably rocks".  He can't really argue against rocks.

Okay, fine.
The real answer is dwarves.

Little people...

And Hobbits.

I think ecco expected something more fantastical than "probably rocks".  He can't really argue against rocks.

I've already argued against "probably rocks".  I've also been clear that I wasn't referring to what is attached to the underside. 

What I expected was a lot of BS WAGS.  What I got was a lot of BS WAGS.  So, once again, no surprises in discussions with FEers.




ETA: Your answer of "Hobbits" was unqualified.  Does that mean you give it more credibility than "probably rocks"

If the earth is infinite plane flat earth, then probably rocks can't be discounted.

I've already argued against "probably rocks".  I've also been clear that I wasn't referring to what is attached to the underside. 

You haven't argued against it. You asked questions seeking out details that could not be found even if the Earth was actually flat. Those aren't the same thing.

Definitely Hobbits.

How would anyone of them possibly 'know', from this point, that the Earth has a 'core', when they can't even prove it's a 'ball', or that 'space' exists as they claim, an endless area all around Earth, or prove stars are all 'TRILLIONS OF MILES AWAY FROM EARTH', among so many other BS claims without any proof t all?

Except for THIS claim, unlike most others, which use 'space' as an excuse, this claim IS proven to be complete BS, as it's based on the Earth itself.

So far, we've gone down into the Earth's surface, to the depth of our oceans, or slightly more than that. About 7.5 miles down, that's it! 

Your ball Earth's 'core' is supposedly 1800 miles down!  How could anyone possible know what exists below Earth, another 1792 miles down, even if it WERE a ball? 

Oh, right, from all their 'data', and 'studies', and 'reports', the same BS papers they've spewed out for ALL their claims, because if there are 'documents', it's GOT to be true, it's in a 'REPORT'!

Yet somehow, these 'reports' aren't even verified, or studied, to see what is IN them, whether anything in them IS true, or confirmed by others as true, or what those reports are BASED on, if they even ARE based on anything, which is usually based on their EARLIER 'reports', and so on, all the way back to some sort of ORIGINAL report, which says that Earth is a big ball, flying through endless space, which hasn't any proof to BEGIN with!

When you believe all this crap is the truth, I'm not surprised you believe they could ever 'know', or 'understand', what else is there, or even GUESS at it, from 7.5 miles down, because that's complete nonsense. 

However, if you show me any other science, which IS valid, and proven to be real, like computer science, perhaps, which does exist, has been proven to exist, can be proven at any time to exist, confirmed by the whole WORLD to exist, same as ALL sciences are, when they are real and valid sciences.


It's strange to see how ALL of your ball Earth/endless space claims, from the first one, that Earth is a ball, to stars all being trillions of miles away from Earth, have never shown any evidence or proof, because those MAKING these claims, have never allowed anyone else to CONFIRM it is true or not, and never WILL allow it!


Why would anyone ever buy that BS, is beyond absurd, and utter ignorance, a blind faith, a religion, unshakeable, at all times.

Intelligence is for you to use, to understand, for reason and logical thought, but only when one DOES use it, instead of what others SAY is true, but never allow us to confirm as true!

How would anyone of them possibly 'know', from this point, that the Earth has a 'core', when they can't even prove it's a 'ball', or that 'space' exists as they claim, an endless area all around Earth, or prove stars are all 'TRILLIONS OF MILES AWAY FROM EARTH', among so many other BS claims without any proof t all?

You choosing to remain wilfully ignorant of reality doesn't mean proof doesn't exist (or more appropriately, evidence).
There is plenty to show that Earth is round, and that space exists, and stars are incredibly far away. And even plenty to show Earth has a core.
You not liking it, and wanting to pretend it doesn't exist doesn't magically make it all cease to exist.

this claim IS proven to be complete BS

Yet all you provide to pretend it is BS is your wilful ignorance.
You have no evidence at all that Earth does not have a core.

Your ball Earth's 'core' is supposedly 1800 miles down!  How could anyone possible know what exists below Earth, another 1792 miles down, even if it WERE a ball?

Have you (or anyone) stood on the surface of the sun?
I guess that means you think the sun doesn't exist, and we have no possible way to know that it exists?

Or are you not a complete idiot and instead recognise that there are other ways to determine what exists in a location, and that you don't necessarily need to go to that location to tell.

However, if you show me any other science, which IS valid, and proven to be real

Why not be honest and say what you really mean?
Science which doesn't conflict with your delusional BS.

It's strange to see how ALL of your ball Earth/endless space claims, from the first one, that Earth is a ball, to stars all being trillions of miles away from Earth, have never shown any evidence or proof

Yes, that is strange, as that is just your delusional fantasy, your wilful rejection of reality.
In reality, there is plenty of evidence. Evidence you hate and want to pretend doesn't exist.
And that includes plenty that you can verify yourself, but you choose not to because you want to cling to your delusional fantasy.

A fantasy which is quite clearly BS, which is supported by no evidence at all, nor any rational thought.
You are the one making absurd claims. You are the one with absurd beliefs, beliefs you cling to with blind faith, an unshakable religion, based upon wilful ignorance, wilfully rejecting reality.

Intelligence is for you to use, to understand, for reason and logical thought

Yet you choose not to.
Why?

  You asked questions seeking out details that could not be found even if the Earth was actually flat. 

   So, if a rational approach would determine that these details could not be found, why would I get responses including the word "probably"?

Wouldn't a rational answer have been "Don't know-  Maybe someday"

It's the same crap that was largely responsible for the establishment of gods: 
Daddy, why does the big mountain sometimes blow its top? 
Son, that's a sign that our god is angry with us.  Maybe it's time to give your twelve-year-old sister to Him.

"Maybe" seems reasonable. Perhaps "perhaps" too.

Only an angry globularist would get so mad about the word probably being used the way people use it.

How would anyone of them possibly 'know', from this point, that the Earth has a 'core', when they can't even prove it's a 'ball', or that 'space' exists as they claim, an endless area all around Earth, or prove stars are all 'TRILLIONS OF MILES AWAY FROM EARTH', among so many other BS claims without any proof t all?

Except for THIS claim, unlike most others, which use 'space' as an excuse, this claim IS proven to be complete BS, as it's based on the Earth itself.

So far, we've gone down into the Earth's surface, to the depth of our oceans, or slightly more than that. About 7.5 miles down, that's it! 

Your ball Earth's 'core' is supposedly 1800 miles down!  How could anyone possible know what exists below Earth, another 1792 miles down, even if it WERE a ball? 

Oh, right, from all their 'data', and 'studies', and 'reports', the same BS papers they've spewed out for ALL their claims, because if there are 'documents', it's GOT to be true, it's in a 'REPORT'!

Yet somehow, these 'reports' aren't even verified, or studied, to see what is IN them, whether anything in them IS true, or confirmed by others as true, or what those reports are BASED on, if they even ARE based on anything, which is usually based on their EARLIER 'reports', and so on, all the way back to some sort of ORIGINAL report, which says that Earth is a big ball, flying through endless space, which hasn't any proof to BEGIN with!

When you believe all this crap is the truth, I'm not surprised you believe they could ever 'know', or 'understand', what else is there, or even GUESS at it, from 7.5 miles down, because that's complete nonsense. 

However, if you show me any other science, which IS valid, and proven to be real, like computer science, perhaps, which does exist, has been proven to exist, can be proven at any time to exist, confirmed by the whole WORLD to exist, same as ALL sciences are, when they are real and valid sciences.


It's strange to see how ALL of your ball Earth/endless space claims, from the first one, that Earth is a ball, to stars all being trillions of miles away from Earth, have never shown any evidence or proof, because those MAKING these claims, have never allowed anyone else to CONFIRM it is true or not, and never WILL allow it!


Why would anyone ever buy that BS, is beyond absurd, and utter ignorance, a blind faith, a religion, unshakeable, at all times.

Intelligence is for you to use, to understand, for reason and logical thought, but only when one DOES use it, instead of what others SAY is true, but never allow us to confirm as true!

Do you know why I have such disdain for your posts? Because you aren't serious about the Earth being flat.

Mark Sargent implored people like you to do your own experiments, and the easiest experiment for you to do to prove the shape of the world one way or the other, is the one experiment you haven't done.

If you were serious about being right that this earth is flat, Turbonium, you could easily prove the earth were flat.

You would have to start from the ground up. Or should I say, the ground itself. Forget rockets. The shape of the entire earth can be determined from the shape of the ground itself.

Buy yourself a measuring wheel and (it will take you a while), use the wheel to measure out by walking, one kilometre of road. Next, get in your car, set the trip meter to zero, and drive that distance of road to see if when it clicks over one kilometre, is where you measured the one kilometre to be. If you did it correctly, it will align. When your mind is happy to accept this, you are ready for your true flat earth journey to begin. Then all you have to do, is do road trips across whatever country you are in, from coast to coast, border to border, town to town, measuring distances, and creating your own to scale map of your own country. When you've exhausted yourself, and are finished with the map you've come up with, see if your map resembles the flat earth map of your country on your crotchless underpants you bought from globebusters, or if it resembles the map of your country as depicted on any Earth globe found almost anywhere.

What's the alternative, Turbonium? Are you going to spend the rest of your life squawking the Earth is flat to everybody, without ever really knowing?

How would anyone of them possibly 'know', from this point, that the Earth has a 'core', when they can't even prove it's a 'ball', or that 'space' exists

It is well established that the air gets thinner and thinner as you move away from the earth's surface until further than 15 miles or so, there are essentially no gas molecules.  Empty space. What is hard (for you) to understand about that?

Quote from: turbonium2 on March 04, 2023, 02:49:57 AM

How would anyone of them possibly 'know', from this point, that the Earth has a 'core', when they can't even prove it's a 'ball', or that 'space' exists

It is well established that the air gets thinner and thinner as you move away from the earth's surface until further than 15 miles or so, there are essentially no gas molecules.  Empty space. What is hard (for you) to understand about that?

Did you mean 150 miles?
Or do you have a very generous definition of "essentially no gas molecules"?

Quote from: Platonius21 on March 15, 2023, 01:13:42 PM

Quote from: turbonium2 on March 04, 2023, 02:49:57 AM

How would anyone of them possibly 'know', from this point, that the Earth has a 'core', when they can't even prove it's a 'ball', or that 'space' exists

It is well established that the air gets thinner and thinner as you move away from the earth's surface until further than 15 miles or so, there are essentially no gas molecules.  Empty space. What is hard (for you) to understand about that?

Did you mean 150 miles?
Or do you have a very generous definition of "essentially no gas molecules"?

Goddamn you are irritating. Pendantic gets taken to a whole other level with you, doesn't it?

Even if it wasn't a typo, 50 miles or 150 miles, is not the crucial point of that post. The crucial point is the higher you go, you eventually reach a situation where there are essentially no gas molecules, just empty space. Thus proving outer space exists.

And for some reason you have had a dramatic reaction to the notion that it's probably just rocks.

Q: What is on the underside of my slice of bread?

A: Probably just bread.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 28, 2023, 01:15:31 PM

And for some reason you have had a dramatic reaction to the notion that it's probably just rocks.

Q: What is on the underside of my slice of bread?

A: Probably just bread.

Exactly!

Quote from: Torve on March 15, 2023, 02:37:00 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 28, 2023, 01:15:31 PM

And for some reason you have had a dramatic reaction to the notion that it's probably just rocks.

Q: What is on the underside of my slice of bread?

A: Probably just bread.

Exactly!

Once again, I am party to the coming together of great minds, while plunging to certain depths.

Next thing you know, you will be telling your irl friends to read Earth Not a Globe.

Next thing you know, you will be telling your irl friends to read Earth Not a Globe.

No need. I already have Discworld, as I quoted above.

Even if it wasn't a typo, 50 miles or 150 miles, is not the crucial point of that post. The crucial point is the higher you go, you eventually reach a situation where there are essentially no gas molecules, just empty space. Thus proving outer space exists.

Exactly.