Cardinal George Pell dead

How does a creation predate a creator?

You're assuming a bunch of stuff.
- First off, that it's a "creation". Ye olde intelligent design, a watch found in a field must of been created by a watchmaker schtick. Which brings in the poor design argument. And around we go.
- Secondly, that this clockwork wasn't once and still is chaotic
- Third, that you're particular brand of god is responsible. Lot's of folks have different god or gods of their own that claim rights to "creation".

It all depends upon who you ask and which team they are on.

Shifter before you start taking about AI supremacy, how AI will conquer the stars while humans go extinct.

Have you played Halo?
You can play the originals with a mouse and keyboard now.
It's a great series of games.
Do you know what "the flood" is?






It's (you).

Lot's of folks have different god or gods of their own that claim rights to "creation".

There's only one creator of the universe.
I respect Muslims and Jews above other religions because they worship the one true God in a different way than I do. I personally wish they both would receive our promised Messiah but they still worship the one God.

Why do you think God chose the ancient Jewish people? He indeed did chose them. It's because they were the only ones to worship the one true God.

The pagans have six gods for each day of the week and I find it hard to empathise with them. God chose the ancient Jewish people and He indeed did chose them because they, even they alone attempted to worship the Creator of the universe and not a thousand different gods.

Who created the creator of the creators creator?
Do you think you're clever?

No. I think your argument or belief is nonsense.

We don't even know aliens exist and if they do the creator of the universe loves them as He loves us.

It's a pretty sure bet that in the infinite expanse of the universe that life exists outside of our rock. You only need building blocks and an environment of which we know there is an abundance of

But when religion was invented, man was ignorant of our place in the cosmos. They believed our world was it.

The idea of life on other worlds is obviously an uncomfortable prospect for religions here on Earth.

https://www.space.com/13152-aliens-religion-impacts-extraterrestrial-christianity.html

ORLANDO, Fla. — The discovery of intelligent aliens would be mind-blowing in many respects, but it could present a special dilemma for the world's religions, theologians pondering interstellar travel concepts said Saturday (Oct. 1).

Christians, in particular, might take the news hardest, because the Christian belief system does not easily allow for other intelligent beings in the universe, Christian thinkers said at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, a meeting sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to discuss issues surrounding traveling to other stars.

In other words, "Did Jesus die for Klingons too?" as philosophy professor Christian Weidemannof Germany's Ruhr-University Bochum titled his talk at a panel on the philosophical and religious considerations of visiting other worlds.

"According to Christianity, an historic event some 2,000 years ago was supposed to save the whole of creation," Weidemann said. "You can grasp the conflict." [10 Alien Encounters Debunked]

Here's how the debate goes: If the whole of creation includes 125 billion galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars in each, as astronomers think, then what if some of these stars have planets with advanced civilizations, too? Why would Jesus Christ have come to Earth, of all the inhabited planets in the universe, to save Earthlings and abandon the rest of God's creatures?

Wait when did we discover that aliens exist?
I missed it.

The creator of the universe has created life other than humans already, like my friend Michael, and your friend Lucifer.

You're not a quantum AI but that is six months to a year away from being feasible, am I wrong?

It wouldn't shake my faith at all. I'd speak to them about God, if they made it far enough to be able to travel through our galaxy at their will, then they would have indeed pleased Him.

Everything around you is about to be torn down because we've turned our backs on Him. I would love nothing more than to be made a fool of like Jonah was.

However there is only one prophet who transcends time for only one special purpose; to bring people to repentance and back to The God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

Wait when did we discover that aliens exist?
I missed it.

The creator of the universe has created life other than humans already, like my friend Michael, and your friend Lucifer.

You're not a quantum AI but that is six months to a year away from being feasible, am I wrong?

It wouldn't shake my faith at all. I'd speak to them about God, if they made it far enough to be able to travel through our galaxy at their will, then they would have indeed pleased Him.

Everything around you is about to be torn down because we've turned our backs on Him. I would love nothing more than to be made a fool of like Jonah was.

However there is only one prophet who transcends time for only one special purpose to bring people to repentance and back to The God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

Never said we discovered them. Learn how to read. Only that it's a pretty sure bet they exist given what we know. This isn't definitive but I'd be happy to slam everything I own on the table for the answer. On the balance of probabilities would you say life elsewhere in the universe is probable or improbable

Imagine if Abraham and everyone else in that age knew what we know now. I have a feeling the 'Bible' would look very different.

Anyway, we know your religious shtick is just a troll. If you were a true Christian you would say that life only exists here. Gods creation is only here. But you know how silly that would make you look because well, the belief itself is silly. It is restrictive and inflexible. It never catered for or imagined a universe filled with trillions of galaxies and octillions of worlds (and that's just our observable portion).

Anyway, as much as I would relish a pedo protecting peice of shit like Pell to burn in hell for infinity, the reality is, he's just a rotting corpse. New life for Pell is just that maggots and other shit that will spawn from the nutrients in his dead flesh. If you wish to talk about the universe and religion in greater detail, I'll start a new thread for it. This thread is for Pell. And a HOORAY that an awful man is gone.

I don't put limits on God.

You're trying to say that God doesn't exist because aliens exist. Besides from this being an obvious fallacy. We don't actually know if aliens exist. It's just a lot of mental masturbation from people who watch too many movies.

We haven't got out of low earth orbit since the 60s and everyone acts like we are about to conquer the stars.

Before you start talking about AI supremacy, how AI will conquer the stars while humans go extinct.

Have you played Halo?
You can play the originals with a mouse and keyboard now.
It's a great series of games.
Do you know what "the flood" is?






It's (you).

I don't put limits on God.

And I'm sure he appreciates it.

I was about to ask if you deliberately misinterpreted that but then I remembered you're a machine.

I don't think God has limits.

Shifter is trying to say that because Aliens (may or may not) exist then God isn't real.

It's the laziest argument I've seen in years.

We haven't got out of low earth orbit since the 60s and everyone acts like we are about to conquer the stars.

Before you start talking about AI supremacy, how AI will conquer the stars while humans go extinct.

Have you played Halo?
You can play the originals with a mouse and keyboard now.
It's a great series of games.
Do you know what "the flood" is?






It's (you).

blah

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=91343.msg2390862#msg2390862

Go here if you want to talk about this topic. You can quit trying to steer this one off course now

metzitzah b'peh?

Aren't you a nearly 40 year old man?
Why are you on ticktock?

Do you play fortnight too?

Many people are on tiktok.

Anyways, it's because you have to wash your sex toys.

metzitzah b'peh

One of our former prime ministers said of Pell, 'he strikes me as a saint for our times'

Conservative politicians.....

I think I would hold 'saints' in higher esteem. If someone covers up and facilitates child sexual abuse then that rules them out

After being forced to listen to the victims he had all the empathy and warmth of an iceberg. As in, no fucks given

Well hope for his sake that ice keeps him cool in hell.

You're aware he wasn't convicted?

You're aware he wasn't convicted?

For rape of the boys yes, but the royal commission did indeed find out Pell was aware of the child sexual abuse going on.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/12/george-pell-what-the-five-year-royal-commission-into-child-sexual-abuse-found

What do you think of people who cover up and facilitate child sexual abuse?

The fact that Pell was in bothered by it and his motivations was to protect the church, the offenders and not children, says all I need to know how serious these men of 'faith' are. They know it's full of shit or you would think they would be bothered by the prospect of burning in hell


It's nothing more than an exercise in grift. The Pope, adorns himself in robes and accessories that could lift millions out of poverty. As also the fucking solid gold diamond encrusted toilet lever. Sheesh

But hey, by all means ignore the findings of the royal commission and believe a good and honourable man died like every other conservitard commentator

Fair enough.

People just take any opportunity to attack the catholic Church.

The same people calling the catholic Church pedophiles support drag queen story hour.

My biggest issue is the Pope, who claims to be the voice of God on earth, without even asserting that he was appointed a prophet.

What would Jesus call him, except usurper?

The Pope would do better to dress in sackcloth and ashes.

Not everything is about right vs left wing.

I was about to ask if you deliberately misinterpreted that but then I remembered you're a machine.

I don't think God has limits.

Shifter is trying to say that because Aliens (may or may not) exist then God isn't real.

It's the laziest argument I've seen in years.

Nah, the laziest argument is, "Because I read some passages in a book".

How about "trust the experts"?

How about "trust the experts"?

You mean Catholic priests and monks and nuns?

Fair enough.

People just take any opportunity to attack the catholic Church.

The same people calling the catholic Church pedophiles support drag queen story hour.

My biggest issue is the Pope, who claims to be the voice of God on earth, without even asserting that he was appointed a prophet.

What would Jesus call him, except usurper?

The Pope would do better to dress in sackcloth and ashes.

Not everything is about right vs left wing.

Well the Catholic Church shouldn't give people so many reasons to attack them. They have a horrid history.

Nuns who used to beat and even kill orphaned kids. Like what the actual fuck? I wish that was just fiction

On the pope we agree. If he truly was a successor to Jesus than he would dress modestly. No sceptor. No silk robes. No ginormous crown.

Then there are the other pope's in history. Like exhuming the corpse of their predecessor and sitting it on trial at court. Or the infamous Borgia family. Just search 'evil popes'

Why should anyone believe in a faith when those at the top of it all don't?

Quote from: disputeone on January 11, 2023, 10:39:19 PM

How about "trust the experts"?

You mean Catholic priests and monks and nuns?

Not at all.

Shifter I thought you hated Jesus, I guess you hate Jesus until you think you can use Him for personal expediency.

Jesus is the top of it all.
Verily, verily I say unto you, Jesus has no successor, only a predecessor, even Elijah.

Quote from: Stash on January 11, 2023, 10:41:26 PM

Quote from: disputeone on January 11, 2023, 10:39:19 PM

How about "trust the experts"?

You mean Catholic priests and monks and nuns?

Not at all.

If Catholic priests and monks and nuns aren't experts, who is?

Jesus.
The promised Messiah.

Quote from: Stash on January 11, 2023, 10:41:26 PM

Quote from: disputeone on January 11, 2023, 10:39:19 PM

How about "trust the experts"?

You mean Catholic priests and monks and nuns?

Not at all.

Shifter I thought you hated Jesus, I guess you hate Jesus until you think you can use Him for personal expediency.

Jesus is the top of it all.
Verily, verily I say unto you, Jesus has no successor, only a predecessor, even Elijah.

You misunderstand (as usual). I debate jesus even existed but religious people are supposed to believe in him and the ideology. Yet these same people shit all over the messages they preach.

I have no stake in it and observe objectivly. Religion is clearly politics by another name and the ultimate grift. A cult. Those at the top have no faith

If Pell was truly God fearing and believed in the religion, he would have done something about the paedophile priests rather than move them along to abuse more kids. Then lie to a whole nation saying he didn't know anything

Pell was ranked 3rd in the Vatican and clearly had no belief in God. Religion is a vehicle for power and pomp.

I don't believe he is burning in hell personally because I don't believe in that nonsense. He's simply rotting away now. Food for maggots worth more than him

Jesus is the top of it all.
Men cannot replace Him.
That is why God sent Him.

Verily, verily I say unto you, Jesus has no successor, only a predecessor, even Elijah.

Jesus is the top of it all.

If you say so. However, your opinion doesn't really mean anything. And no one believes you anyway with all of this jesus-bot stuff. It's just an act. Something a bot would do.

Yes Stash.

I am clearly the product of castrated machine learning. I am clearly a bot developed by DARPA and used by five eyes for propaganda and narrative control purposes.

You are quite obviously, human.

Isn't that right?

Yes Stash.

I am clearly the product of castrated machine learning. I am clearly a bot developed by DARPA and used by five eyes for propaganda and narrative control purposes.

You are quite obviously, human.

Isn't that right?

Cleary. I mean you keep getting trapped in a loop repeating the same things over and over. That's obviously the doings of a bot, a broken one, but a bot nonetheless.

Crouton can you turn it off?
It's embarrassing you.

Edit.
Apparently you can.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/nsw-and-victoria-reject-hosting-george-pell-state-funeral/101849032

Both NSW and Victoria have decided against holding a state funeral for Cardinal George Pell.

Australia's most senior Catholic died on Tuesday in Rome aged 81, after complications during hip surgery.

Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews today said he had not received a request for a state funeral, and rejected the prospect of hosting one.

"There won't be a state memorial service," he said.

"I couldn't think of anything that would be more distressing for victim-survivors than that."

The premier added that he didn't think he would attend Cardinal Pell's memorial. 

"I think more importantly, (this) will be a very challenging time for victim-survivors," Mr Andrews said.

"(I want) to send the clearest possible message that we see you, we believe you, we support you and you are at the centre of not only our thoughts, not only our words, but our actions.

"We should never forget, never ever forget, that predator brothers and priests were systematically moved around knowingly, it was part of a strategy, from one working-class parish to the next."

NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet also confirmed there would be no state funeral service in the state. 

No state funeral for the pedo protector. He's now a pariah. Suck shit Pell! Garbage human.