What are the dimensions of the flat earth

So 24,000 miles wide and how far away is the sun and moon? I have seen 3,000 miles away and 5,000 miles away but that was the same distance for the moon which has to be closer than the sun. Thanks again

You've got Helsinki south of Moscow. That's wrong. It's about 870 KM northwest of Moscow. This has been verified by humans for forever. Oslo is way wrong too. It's not south of Moscow. You've got Vienna just south of Istanbul, where in reality, it's 1200 KM northwest. How could you be this far off?

As well, how was the dome height observationally verified?

Lastly, how is it that zero people, flights, all other forms of transport, use your map yet seem to get where they need to be going? Like all of these people:

Which one do you think must be far?

It would be fine if you didn't run away, Stash.

And this is the kicker!

Excuses, excuses, excuses... 

- Why should we believe you and not the passengers, pilots, organizations who fly and track these flights?
- How is it that zero people, flights, all other forms of transport, use your map yet seem to get where they need to be going?

Why does wise slavishly insist that part of the data (time of flight) is completely accurate and what should be used to compute straight line distance, but ignore the part of the data (map and actual distance flown) that refutes his argument? Because wise is a deceitful liar. Shame on you, wise! "Lying is evil's doing and evil doing leads to hell."

Quote from: Stash on December 01, 2022, 12:28:31 PM

- Why should we believe you and not the passengers, pilots, organizations who fly and track these flights?
- How is it that zero people, flights, all other forms of transport, use your map yet seem to get where they need to be going?

The directions are right, but the times are wrong. Often excuses are made to "excuse" this situation: "Jetscream, going slower for the comfort of the passengers on the plane, wars, mountains, etc". Just like Jack produces.

Quote from: wise on December 01, 2022, 09:58:52 PM

Quote from: Stash on December 01, 2022, 12:28:31 PM

- Why should we believe you and not the passengers, pilots, organizations who fly and track these flights?
- How is it that zero people, flights, all other forms of transport, use your map yet seem to get where they need to be going?

The directions are right, but the times are wrong. Often excuses are made to "excuse" this situation: "Jetscream, going slower for the comfort of the passengers on the plane, wars, mountains, etc". Just like Jack produces.

If directions are right, then you are admitting your map is wrong.

How do you know the times are wrong? And why is it that millions of people fly and the times are correct. In the many flights I've been on, the times are right. I just flew coast to coast in October. My return flight was within 15 minutes of what it was scheduled for, over 2700 miles. Are you saying everyones watches and clocks are not working properly?

Lying like this is not becoming.

Quote from: Stash on December 01, 2022, 10:18:04 PM

Quote from: wise on December 01, 2022, 09:58:52 PM

Quote from: Stash on December 01, 2022, 12:28:31 PM

- Why should we believe you and not the passengers, pilots, organizations who fly and track these flights?
- How is it that zero people, flights, all other forms of transport, use your map yet seem to get where they need to be going?

The directions are right, but the times are wrong. Often excuses are made to "excuse" this situation: "Jetscream, going slower for the comfort of the passengers on the plane, wars, mountains, etc". Just like Jack produces.

If directions are right, then you are admitting your map is wrong.

How do you know the times are wrong? And why is it that millions of people fly and the times are correct. In the many flights I've been on, the times are right. I just flew coast to coast in October. My return flight was within 15 minutes of what it was scheduled for, over 2700 miles. Are you saying everyones watches and clocks are not working properly?

Lying like this is not becoming.

I mean, in general, the directions are correct. For example, when you go from Istanbul to Helsinki you go North, when you go from Moscow to Helsinki you go West. The directions are right but the distances are wrong. The distances on my map are the correct ones. Stand with the truth, that is, with me, but not with the doodle maps.

If pilots followed your map, they would end up in the wrong city.

If the distances are wrong, how come everyone gets to where they need to go without dropping out of the sky for incorrect fuel calculations versus distance?

Since zero people use your map and made up, fabricated distances and times, how does everyone get where they are going within, or usually near the pre-published times and distances? How could that possibly work if no one uses your map? We're talking 10's of millions of flights versus your one map you made up. Please explain.

You always have an excuse, mister.

The directions are right, but the times are wrong.

Because radars and locators clearly mislead the aircraft. This job is costly.

Airplanes use less fuel in the air than you might think, almost zero.

It is flying distances shown on my map tens of millions of flight.

You mean I can always point out why your claims are BS, with a rational justification to support me.

Unlike you that needs to appeal to fantasies of mass murder.

So the key thing you rely upon is wrong?

No, they clearly accurately lead people to there destinations, which is why planes aren't getting lost all the time.

They use vastly more than 0.

So you are now upping your claim from 10 000 + to 10 000 000 +?
Even though you couldn't even justify your claim of 10 000 +?

We're talking 10's of millions of flights versus your one map you made up. Please explain.

Where is my 10.000? 

It's the only way remains.

I can give you examples of planes disappearing from the radar especially when flying over southern countries. Even submarines are included in these examples.

This happens only in the Bermuda Triangle

Thousands of planes fly over the North Pole every day, because it is in the middle of the world, it is on the route of almost all intercontinental flights.

Except for one or two (supposedly) flights that show up on the radar every now and then, but no one ever reports online

No. You should read flat earth jet engine dynamics.

A sufficient number of flights were in shown.

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Where is my 10.000? 

Cut crying.

Quote from: Stash on December 01, 2022, 10:40:04 PM

If pilots followed your map, they would end up in the wrong city.

This is not the case. But this would require a refinement of the aircraft's system and would require a departure from the usual aviation principles. Because radars and locators clearly mislead the aircraft. This job is costly.

Quote from: Stash on December 01, 2022, 10:40:04 PM

If the distances are wrong, how come everyone gets to where they need to go without dropping out of the sky for incorrect fuel calculations versus distance?

Airplanes use less fuel in the air than you might think, almost zero.

Quote from: Stash on December 01, 2022, 10:40:04 PM

Since zero people use your map and made up, fabricated distances and times, how does everyone get where they are going within, or usually near the pre-published times and distances? How could that possibly work if no one uses your map? We're talking 10's of millions of flights versus your one map you made up. Please explain.

It is flying distances shown on my map tens of millions of flight. And passengers are tricked into believing that the same type of plane goes faster and slower. Probably the pilots think so too.

It's not my problem that millions of people are being duped by Airlines or doodle maps.

Only to cling to your delusional fantasy. The far more rational option is that Earth is round.

But when have you ever let the truth get in your way?

Planes reach the end of radar range all the time.
But they very rarely get lost.

If radar misleads airplanes, people wouldn't get to where they intended to go. But millions do. You apparently have never been on a plane before. Can you not see how illogical your claim is? 

When they do it is a quite noteworthy event.

Submarines are not tracked by radar, because radar doesn't work well under water. They use sonar.

This is just stupid, I don't even know what to say as it's so illogical and daft. What's your source for this? How do jet engines not use fuel?

So in a region entirely inside the northern hemisphere? Not south like you claim?

How exactly are the millions of passengers and 1000's of pilots "tricked"? What's your source for this?

But flights also exist in the south.

No, only the flights connecting North America to Europe and Asia, but they typically don't go over the north pole directly.

And you would expect more flights due to a larger wealthy population.

Plenty of reports on line.

What's so illogical is that you claim to have examined 10k flights using flight data, yet you say the flight data is wrong, the same data you used. You are literally fabricating data.

Millions of people get to where they are going and all of the predicted times and distances are validated.

Zero people on the globe use your map, yet everyone gets to where they are going as predicted.

No, there really wasn't a sufficient number.

You had far too few routes, especially for the south.

Since no one uses your map, how do the millions of flights get to where they need to go? How does that work? Evidence is required, of which, you have zero.

It's about what you define as stupid. In many sources it is written that jet engines use the oxygen in the air and, once fully operational, they hardly need any fuel.

Quote from: wise on December 02, 2022, 03:34:14 AM

It's about what you define as stupid. In many sources it is written that jet engines use the oxygen in the air and, once fully operational, they hardly need any fuel.

What sources are you referring to that say jets hardly need fuel? Please provide. Otherwise, it's obvious to everyone that you are just making this up. A complete and utter fabrication by you. In fact, a lie.

Quote from: Stash on December 02, 2022, 03:40:54 AM

Quote from: wise on December 02, 2022, 03:34:14 AM

It's about what you define as stupid. In many sources it is written that jet engines use the oxygen in the air and, once fully operational, they hardly need any fuel.

What sources are you referring to that say jets hardly need fuel? Please provide. Otherwise, it's obvious to everyone that you are just making this up. A complete and utter fabrication by you. In fact, a lie.

You see a source acroos you.

At 30,000 feet, gravity is almost zero. It may seem heavier in your formula, it is not. It is much lighter.

That's the (theoretical) amount of fuel a Boeing needs to stay in the air for more than 10 hours. = 150.000 L

And this is "MAXIMUM" Weight of a Boeing (about) to take off:

Lbs to Oil means half of this, about: 128/2 = 64.000 L.

If you pay attention, the plane needs to store more than 3 times its weight in fuel to take off. Where is such a fuel tank located?

It requires 3 times more fuel than the total weight of the aircraft (including fuel). Such a situation is impossible. There is no such situation.

In reality, not that much fuel is used. It's just something airline companies make up to justify their exorbitant ticket prices. In reality, the fuel cost of flying from Australia to London does not exceed $50. But the ticket price is 100 times that. Of course, fuel is overused. Yeah, right!

It would have been more gentlemanly if you had come one by one. Oh yeah, you are  globalists, you have no business with ethical values!

It is not working as I countless proved and you have closed your eyes.

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But when have you ever let the truth get in your way?

It is always in my way.

It's about what you define as stupid. In many sources it is written that jet engines use the oxygen in the air and, once fully operational, they hardly need any fuel.

If this were not so, the wings of an intercontinental plane would have to be fully fueled.

This exception is because NASA's is often restrained garbage rockets  and often blocked in flight in the Bermuda region so that they do not endanger. I already stated this as an exception.

This happens only in the Bermuda Triangle

The maps are already in front of you. There are countless resources on this subject and one of them belongs to me.

Very very rare. And they are not proven, nor believable. fabricated.

So you Australians have finally admitted that you're poor?

Again, not verified. Cry.

This is a slander.

No, there really was a sufficient number.

At 30,000 feet, gravity is almost zero.

That's the (theoretical) amount of fuel a Boeing [747] needs to stay in the air for more than 10 hours. = 150.000 L

And this is "MAXIMUM" Weight of a Boeing [737] (about) to take off

In reality, the fuel cost of flying from Australia to London does not exceed $50. But the ticket price is 100 times that.

Quote from: Stash on December 02, 2022, 03:40:54 AM

Quote from: wise on December 02, 2022, 03:34:14 AM

It's about what you define as stupid. In many sources it is written that jet engines use the oxygen in the air and, once fully operational, they hardly need any fuel.

What sources are you referring to that say jets hardly need fuel? Please provide. Otherwise, it's obvious to everyone that you are just making this up. A complete and utter fabrication by you. In fact, a lie.

You see a source acroos you.

At 30,000 feet, gravity is almost zero. It may seem heavier in your formula, it is not. It is much lighter. In addition, air friction at this altitude is close to zero. This is compatibled with your globularis model either. Therefore, , it is possible to travel very long distances without any resistance and with very little fuel. If you have a better source than me, bring it and welcome.

If theres almost ZERO gravity at 30k feet up then would the climbers be floating at the top of Mt. Everest? This is hard to follow sir.

The most reliable model was created by wise by examining more than 10,000 flights, and according to this, the size of the world is certain, it is certain.

This is it:



This map has a scale and you can find the measures between major cities by measuring and comparing the scale. For cities that are not on the map, estimated distance values ​​from other models (necessarily) can be used.

The world is a circle which its center very close to the Russian town of Tiksi.

Accordingly, the radius of the earth is 16,100 km.

 It is an observational information that the dome of the sky is about 114 kms high. It may vary between 110-120 according to observation point and assumptions.

At 30,000 feet, gravity is almost zero.